Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[Milkweed]

I know! It's like, hey I found the best place -- it's cheap, it's awesome. Gotta go, bye.

Thanks for sharing, fella.

Oh, I thought we didn't give out specifics like addresses and names...? PM me.

I really just posted this to show what is possible. My first Hot Toc experience in Saigon was really terrible. I got overcharged and underserved big time. I found the gem with the help of this forum and a little trial and error.

[MutantChicken]

Your comments regarding the 200k bj hot toc, those wouldnt be the ones found near and around cho da kao in Dist 1?

[MutantChicken]

It is quite normal to find 200k places such as 90 dbp or 300 something dbp, there is also some more around that area, i have heard about, but those places are on the edge of dist 3, dist 1 and tan binh. I have never come across any that is in dist 1 proper. It would be nice if Johndao or Milkweed at least list the street name.

Thanks in advance

[Wendella]

Sorry. My meaning was that you obviously had thought about the issue. I don't expect everyone to share my opinions.

I'm happy to leave it at that and agree to disagree except hard not to have the last word in this sort of conversation. 2 points:

- There's a large percentage of foreigners, don't know about local customs, having unprotected sex in Asia. Maybe not a majority, who knows, but large;

- I'd be wary of believing anything coming out of Africa. People die of everything there, and you can die of about 20 different things and they'll call it AIDS. Not to be too obvious but rumours/untruths out of Africa are a major reason that the Bush administration got involved in Iraq, apparently believing that Saddam was sourcing nuclear material from Nigeria.

OK I agree to agree to agree to disagree and leave it at that, and therefore feel compelled to respond to your "final" points with my own, which seem likely to become part of a long series of final points.

Yes there are lots of people, foreigners and locals alike, engaging in unprotected sex. With hookers? I'd be surprised if it was most. I'd be surprised if it was more than 10%. Statistics say that millions die per year of it worldwide. I dont' see any reason to doubt these numbers. I can't understand why anyone would presume that foreigners are immune because they come from other countries. Are you suggesting HIV requires a racial match in order to be transmitted? I'm just trying to figure out the rationale here.

Your 2nd point seems to imply that you don't believe people are dying of AIDS in Africa. If I got that straight, I think I don't even need to take it further, can let people judge for themselves where you're coming from with this. At some point you have to move beyond living in a world constructed only of doubts and actually check to see what evidence exists. In this case, you'd find overwhelming evidence from all kinds of legitimate sources that AIDS is an enormous problem in Africa.

Can we at least agree that HIV passes from one person to another, and it does so by one person's infected blood getting inside the body of another person?

[Wendella]

Where's this gem?

I know! It's like, hey I found the best place -- it's cheap, it's awesome. Gotta go, bye.

Thanks for sharing, fella.

[Nail The World]

I've been going to a BJ hot toc in D1 for some time now, but had a couple firsts lately. I am a bit slow to finish. And this place is amazing in their determination to get you done.

The house fee here is 100, 000 for foreigners. The girls are ok with a 100, 000 tip. I tip an extra 20, 000 for good service.

Where's this gem?

[Johndao]

I do not have figures for VN, however in Australia, about 5% of those contracting HIV were by heterosexual sex. The vast majority are homosexual or intravenous drug users.

I am not a condom user, and when I get home from a trip, I always go to my doc to get a full blood test for any possible diseases. So far none

My doc was initially horrified that I do not use condom, but I painted the basic picture pf statistics.

We have about 20 million Australians, half are male, 10 million, about half are sexually active, 5 million.

In Australia, average rate of sex is once per month. hence 60 million fucks per year.

Infection rate for HIV/AIDS is about 1100 per year.

60,000,000 fucks leading to 1100 infections is about 1:60,000, that is, negligible risk.

However if we consider heterosex only, infection rate is about 50 per year, that is a risk factor of 1:1.2million. Almost infinitely small risk.

He really sat back. Said he had never thought of it like that, just took the propaganda that is dished up by the authorities to create fear.

So, as a single guy, he has now abandoned condoms, which he hates as much as me. He is about 40.

Make up your own mind.
G

Gangles, this is really a very funny and dangerous misuse of statistics. Your conclusions about condom use are totally false. You can't take the overall infection rate and assume it is the same for all persons regardless of risk factors. The fact is, higher risk factors, greater chance of disease. A disease-free monogamous heterosexual couple has almost no risk of infection. But a man visiting multiple prostitutes and having sex without protection has an entirely different risk factor. To lump them both together with a national rate. . . just doesn't work.

To use an analogy, let's say you are talking about auto accidents. I'll just use a made-up number as an example. Let's say that 1 out of 80,000 auto trips results in an accident. You feel it's a negligible number, you should be safe. You also like to drive while drinking and texting. But you assume as the road accident rate is so negligible at 1 out of 80,000, that drinking and texting should be fine. Actually, the accident rate for those who drink and text is much higher than 1 out of 80,000 and much lower than for those who do not.

To use the overall infection rate as the same as the risk factor rate for non-monogamous sex without condoms, well, it should be obvious it's not the same. But if you really don't want to use condoms with multiple hoes, then maybe you have convinced yourself it should be ok. It's not. Also, getting a blood test after the fact does not protect you from any disease, but it does help in getting early treatment or not infecting others.

[Johndao]

i've been going to a bj hot toc in d1 for some time now, but had a couple firsts lately. i am a bit slow to finish. and this place is amazing in their determination to get you done.

last week i went and had a very good bj but still hadn't finished. so the woman jumps up on the table and does simulated sex. rubs her bare crotch over my balls while giving me a hj. got the job done.

then this week i went and picked a woman i had had before. she is good. pretty, big sensual lips, and a nice attitude. first time i was with her she amazed me. she will give a bj like a machine. i sometimes fantasize that she is a futuristic sex android. like if the energizer bunny gave bjs. this time she surprised me by putting her finger in my bum. then, i requested that she come up on the table. she crouched over me and did the 69 and i finished.

the girls here have also got up on the table with me to cuddle a little after when i request it.

the house fee here is 100, 000 for foreigners. the girls are ok with a 100, 000 tip. i tip an extra 20, 000 for good service.

i think i know the place and the woman you described weed. i don't particularly care for her style, but admittedly it is very efficient. watching her i thought she was a movie running at a fast speed. if it's the place i think, all the girls there are chosen for skills and ability to 'get the job done' as you say. there is no negotiating price, all is standard. nobody gets you going and then talks money, they just do their job effectively and efficiently and if they don't, they are gone. the woman you mention, is she about early mid 30's with a slim frame and balloon-like artificial tits? her daughter sometimes running around the place? sucks and does hj like a manic crazy, yes, the energizer bunny, that's her. i just don't really like her, that's me, not my taste but i see why others would. yes, great place and several more like it. that's why i have to laugh at the idea of the 300k tip hj or the upstairs hbt bar for 500k bj.
jd

[OzzieSuds]

For some reason I think I've only been there when the former are in attendance.

I have found some real gems in there - I ask mama for the newest ones. Many do not last past week one.

An Macheath is right about daughters etc but in the end we are the customers and able to make a choice

[Macheath]

Well, I have, honest. Hope you're not implying I haven't.

Sorry. My meaning was that you obviously had thought about the issue. I don't expect everyone to share my opinions.

I'm happy to leave it at that and agree to disagree except hard not to have the last word in this sort of conversation. 2 points:

- There's a large percentage of foreigners, don't know about local customs, having unprotected sex in Asia. Maybe not a majority, who knows, but large;

- I'd be wary of believing anything coming out of Africa. People die of everything there, and you can die of about 20 different things and they'll call it AIDS. Not to be too obvious but rumours/untruths out of Africa are a major reason that the Bush administration got involved in Iraq, apparently believing that Saddam was sourcing nuclear material from Nigeria.

[Macheath]

The cattle is a blend of the dirty old bitches with lots of new blood.

Also fellow human beings doing what they need to survive - probably someone's mother, daughter, sister etc.

[Wendella]

Don't know about Linda's but this is also known as Bar 29 and it is the reincarnation of the old U2 bar. The cattle is a blend of the dirty old bitches with lots of new blood. Upstairs is where the action is.

For some reason I think I've only been there when the former are in attendance.

[Milkweed]

I've been going to a BJ hot toc in D1 for some time now, but had a couple firsts lately. I am a bit slow to finish. And this place is amazing in their determination to get you done.

Last week I went and had a very good BJ but still hadn't finished. So the woman jumps up on the table and does simulated sex. Rubs her bare crotch over my balls while giving me a HJ. Got the job done.

Then this week I went and picked a woman I had had before. She is good. Pretty, big sensual lips, and a nice attitude. First time I was with her she amazed me. She will give a BJ like a machine. I sometimes fantasize that she is a futuristic sex android. Like if the energizer bunny gave bjs. This time she surprised me by putting her finger in my bum. Then, I requested that she come up on the table. She crouched over me and did the 69 and I finished.

The girls here have also got up on the table with me to cuddle a little after when I request it.

The house fee here is 100, 000 for foreigners. The girls are ok with a 100, 000 tip. I tip an extra 20, 000 for good service.

[OzzieSuds]

Today, I've been to Linda, 29 dong khoi, D1. Nice bar, very cheap drinks, a lot of very pretty chicks. They sit with you and let you touch them everywhere (everywhere). If the mamasan is here (Linda) 300k for blowjob and 500k to fuck. But she wasn't, so the girls asked for 500k for blowjob. I said no. But it was lot of fun. Place I recommand.

Don't know about Linda's but this is also known as Bar 29 and it is the reincarnation of the old U2 bar. The cattle is a blend of the dirty old bitches with lots of new blood. Upstairs is where the action is.

[Crazyazn]

Hi there,

I've been a reader of this forum for a longtime but never really took the time to post a report or comment the ones online, so... here i come!

I'd like to share about the Ntmk/xvnt area, after i've read what ppl write about it, especially Nail The World, who looks like having a very bad opinion of this scene. Have to say first, I kinda agree with him.

The thing is that I'm living in that area, perhaps two minutes away from the bridge, in Binh Tanh. So this is my daily way to go downtown, and come back home. So, I know well the area.

Facts about the place:

- Yes, you can find some pretty chicks.

- The turn over is important. The scene is a mix of newbies and regulars - don't go with the regulars. They're usually un-friendly and dirty.

- Price to fuck is 500k. You can try to bargain, but most of them just leave you if you decrease your price. Which makes me think they've a lot of customers so they allow themselves to be so picky.

- You can get cheaper one, if she's a newbie. So go for it.

- Nobody speak english. Don't even try. The only word they all know: "money".

- I haven't seen a lot of westerns mongering there. Am i blind?

- Service isn't good. Don't expect to find a friendly chick ready to please you. It's all business. They want to do it quick.

- Some of them ask the money upfront, and leave you if you refuse. Of course, never pay upfront.

- I have no idea about AIDS prevalence in the area. What I know is that there's no problem to fuck them without condoms. Be careful, except if you like living dangerously.

- The park below is full of heroin junkies. Always check the arms and the teeths of a gal if you wanna fuck her.

- Most of gals want to take you in a hotel around. They hardly accept to follow you in your place. Even though i'm living two minutes away. But some are ok.

- They talk a lot to each other. If you mess up with one, all the gals of the area will avoid you. If you're fine with one, they will all be ok to go with you.

- This place is the police private gardenyard. They own everything, and have eyes everywhere. You see some in uniforms hidden in the park, on the brige, and lot of undercover fellas everywhere. Be aware that they know everything about you. The good thing is that it's very safe. The bad thing is that if you get trouble with their business, they will make your life impossible. So, be smart: never disturb the money flow. Nobody wants trouble with the cops here.

- Be extremly careful : those girls are professional robbers. Hide everything, and never leave your eyes from them once she's with you.

- Make sure no young fella on a motorbike is following you at distance if you take a girl back home. I've noticed some doing this to me already. The good thing is that I'm riding a a big sport motorbike, so they can't really compete :-). Some of those fellas can get into your house when you fuck the girl and rob you something. Watch out.

My experience so far: I took three girls home from there.

- One ugly chick, probably junkie and dirty. I was drunk, it was dark. I realized how bad she was back home. Gave 400k for a very bad service.

- One very cute young chick. I gave her 300k. She was shy, but very nice. And she really wanted to please me. Good service.

- One nice girl with awesome tits (big, round, crazy!). I took her for 500k. Bad service, was always asking for "boom boom" and didn't want to suck my cock. Had to insist a lot to have what I was ready to pay for.

I have to say 2 or 3 times I had 100% failure rate there. No chick wanted to follow me home, or they left me because I refused to pay upfront.Once a 9 (very beautiful!) followed me home, but just left because I refused to pay upfront. I was pissed. Then I went back to the scene, but she told all the chicks around I wasn't a good payer. Fucking *****.

My opinion about the Ntmk/xvnt scene: avoid it if possible. If you're really hungry, if you have time and if you don't get mad if one of them refuses you, then you can find a gal and have quick fun. But remember: service is bad.

Hope this helps ppl who have never been there.

Today, I've been to Linda, 29 dong khoi, D1. Nice bar, very cheap drinks, a lot of very pretty chicks. They sit with you and let you touch them everywhere (everywhere). If the mamasan is here (Linda) 300k for blowjob and 500k to fuck. But she wasn't, so the girls asked for 500k for blowjob. I said no. But it was lot of fun. Place I recommand.

Btw, anyone knows a place where to pick up gals to take them home, for no more than 500k? I'm still looking for a nice scene in town, but don't find any. Like a place where students girl go with you to make a bit of money... Any help appreciated.

Cheers, and sorry for approximate english.

Great post, very informative!! I will have to try linda's out. Hopefully I can get some GFE!! '' I speak viet''