The Morality of Prostitution

[Warbucks]

Absolute poppycock! My cock doesn't differentiate between what kind of sex it's having.

No but your mind and actions do.

If you believe Third World mongering is wrong then why do you keep perpetuating injustice on these poor women with your rich First World cock?

Because we can.

How can you take a moral stance when you obviously like the smell and feel of some beautiful impoverished young girl's fuck-hole as much as the most depraved old lecherous monger on here?

Saying all mongers are the same is like well saying all of anything is the same We are not bruh. We are not created equal.

Well said. There is a time for sex and a time for love.
So sayeth the Lord.
Amen.

LOL.

RN don't tell us your a religious person. If so I find that to border on insanity with your background.

[Rubber Nursey]

My cock doesn't differentiate between what kind of sex it's having.

Well said. There is a time for sex and a time for love.
So sayeth the Lord.
Amen.

[Chocha Monger]

Lustful regular sex satisfies lust, whilst loving regular sex satisfies a desire to be emotionally close to someone you care about.

Absolute poppycock! My cock doesn't differentiate between what kind of sex it's having. The desire to copulate is a biological response. One's cock feels tension and then one responds to the urge to relieve that tension. When I want to be emotionally close to a woman I hug or cuddle with her and tell her sweet things. I don't whip my cock out and tell her I want to emotionally connect with her. The idea that there are two types of randiness is absolute rubbish. It's like saying there are two different types of urges to take a crap or two different types of urges to take a [CodeWord140]. Studies show that all initial attractions are based on physical attributes. It is only later that people develop romantic notions. In other words, you first become interested in a woman as a potential girlfriend/wife based on whether or not you think she's fuckable.

If you believe Third World mongering is wrong then why do you keep perpetuating injustice on these poor women with your rich First World cock? I mean you can volunteer to help these poor women become educated and self-employed in some kind of enterprise that doesn't involved you rooting them for a few quid. How can you take a moral stance when you obviously like the smell and feel of some beautiful impoverished young girl's fuck-hole as much as the most depraved old lecherous monger on here?

[Rubber Nursey]

Affirming the consequent:
Premise 1: If Gedanken disapproves of all sex, then Gedanken disapproves of poor-world mongering.
Premise 2: Gedanken disapproves of poor-world mongering.
Conclusion: Gedanken disapproves of all sex.

Premise 1: Prostitution is a desperate act of those living in poverty.
Premise 2: Many people in developing countries are living in poverty.
Conclusion: Poor-world prostitution only occurs because people are poor.

Premise 1: Only poor people engage in prostitution, so there must be something wrong with people who do it when there are other opportunities available.
Premise 2: Women in rich countries with other employment opportunities often engage in prostitution.
Conclusion: There must be something wrong with first-world prostitutes.

Premise 1: Normal women associate sex with love.
Premise 2: Prostitutes have sex without love.
Conclusion: Prostitutes are abnormal.

Premise 1: Sex is dirty when not conducted within a loving relationship.
Premise 2: Prostitutes provide sex without love.
Conclusion: Prostitution is dirty.

[Macheath]

must insist upon Matthew 7:16 - “By their fruits you shall know them.”

but one is judged by one’s actions!!

As you rightly mentioned, but did not seem to commit to fully, actions, actions, actions are what people are to be judged by. Anyone can say anything they want.

Actions, not words, are what reveal the measure and motivations of a person. etc etc etc.

With this in mind, if I were in Thailand, say, and a hot-but-poor girl were to confess her love for me, I would not laugh in her face, but I would have to stop myself from doing so. And that’s because unless I was entirely naive, I would reckon that if the girl’s parents had moved to England and so she’d born in England, she surely wouldn’t look at me twice, let alone fall in love with me; and that’s because no hot English girl has ever looked at me as a casual sexual partner, let alone The One material.

I thought Matthew was warning against hypocrites, false prophets, wolves in sheep's clothing etc. So if your point is that you, the tree, should judged or identified by your actions, the fruit of the tree, then let's look at your actions:

To simplify, you believe that it is immoral and degrading to pay for sex but you want to continue doing so. You assuage the guilt of your immoral actions by dehumanising your paid partners and turning them into "fucksticks".

You seem to think that, because you believe that you are being honest with yourself in these transactions, you are somehow morally superior to the rest of the, deluded, dishonest, crowd. I on the other hand think that you are a deluded self regarding arsehole. And you need an editor - if you were to ever write a book it could surely double as a doorstop.

Also on words and actions I might remind you of Turgenev's "a kind word is also a deed". But also the great Nick Lowe - "you gotta be cruel to be kind, in the right measure" etc.

On comparisons between different countries might I remind you that when in Thailand eg, the same rules do not apply as when in England eg, thank god - you might as well transplant the Thai girl to England and have her ask why so many attractive men are attached to pudgy, potato faced, nagging women. Kipling said it better:

I am sick o' wastin' leather on these gritty pavin'-stones,
An' the blasted Henglish drizzle wakes the fever in my bones;
Tho' I walks with fifty 'ousemaids outer Chelsea to the Strand,
An' they talks a lot o' lovin', but wot do they understand?
Beefy face an' grubby 'and --
Law! wot do they understand?
I've a neater, sweeter maiden in a cleaner, greener land!
On the road to Mandalay . . .

[Rubber Nursey]

...take back my charge that prostitution is always and everywhere regarded less highly than regular male-female relationship... I was pinned down with this brief review of prostitution in Egypt.

Temple and/or Sacred prostitution existed in many ancient cultures, eg. Temple of Ishtar, Temple of Aphrodite. It still exists today in places like India (Devadasis). Temple prostitutes were revered as manifestations of the Goddess. Far from being social outcasts, they generally had greater status than regular women. In ancient Hebrew, for example, temple prostitutes were called kadeshah, which means 'consecrated female'. Temple prostitutes often had a ceremonial role in community events like coming of age rituals, fertility/harvest festivals and marriage.

The concept of the 'sacred feminine' continued through the ages, with or without a connection to religion. Hetaera, courtesans, geisha, etc lived in a completely different world to regular women. They were wealthy, educated, participated in politics and were the only women permitted to enter 'male only' spaces like war-rooms and gentleman's clubs and baths. Their lust and sexual prowess was prized, in times where lustful behaviour in regular women was reviled and punished. (With the exception of geisha, who were skilled cockteasers; creating the illusion of sexual availability, to keep their men wanting and wondering).

Modern day courtesans don't have the pride of place in society that their predecessors enjoyed (again excluding the geisha, who are still respected and revered), but they're certainly still around and still wield a degree of power. They are highly paid and highly respected by their sponsors. They are often privy to high-level information that men might not share with their wives or friends, in the knowledge that the courtesan will maintain strict confidentiality. Most importantly, like the ancient wh*res***, these women are prized not only for their bodies and/or sexual abilities, but also for their intelligence, sense of humour and companionship. Even in 'regular' prostitution, the popularity of the GFE has proven that many men are looking for something with more substance than just a quick fuck.

Your belief that most men are only after a quick, anonymous shag is misguided. Perhaps that's all *you* are seeking from P4P (and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that) but in my experience, you would be in the minority. The male stereotype suggests that men have no emotions, no compassion, no need for 'connection' when it comes to sex, but I've rarely found that to be the case. If orgasm was the only aim of the game, a quick wank would suffice.

*** Sex worker rights activists are now reclaiming the word 'wh*re'. Unlike prostitute, a relatively modern word that used to mean 'offering yourself in public' (ie. street workers) and now means to debase yourself for financial gain, wh*re is derived from ancient words meaning 'desire' and 'dear' and 'love/lovemaking'. The origin of the word wh*re also forms the basis of words like 'caress', 'cherish' and 'charity'. Calling ourselves wh*res re-establishes the link between us and those ancient wh*res whose status in society was both accepted and respected. It also recognises the (sad) fact that once you have sex for money, you are forever tainted. Whereas prostitute denotes someone who is currently accepting money for sex, wh*re is a state of mind and a lasting identity.

[Opebo]

Your argument is manifestly not a tautology...

I was not making the argument that you disapprove of all sex because you disapprove of third world prostitution. I was making the argument that you disapprove of all sex (for women) because you believe that it is somehow negative or demeaning for a woman to interact with a man in a purely sexual way (be a 'fuckstick', etc.).

[Gedanken]

Next installment, folks:

Dear Gedanken, ever the romantic. I assure you that I have loved every woman that I have ever fucked, even the ones who wanted a direct transfer of currency. You see, Gedanken my love is very short but sweet. You see the longer I am with a girl the more likely I am to notice her faults. When I love her for a few hours the perfect memory is captured in my mind forever. I will never lose my love for her and become disillusioned because she has grown fat, old, wrinkled, gray and toothless. Neither will I ever complain about her laziness, nagging and squandering of money. Surely, you cannot doubt me because love is an emotion which cannot be measured.

Cocha Monger! Your opening sarcasm was most biting!

With regards to your claims to have loved every woman you’ve ever fucked, I am going to say that your claim is implausible and must insist upon Matthew 7:16 - “By their fruits you shall know them.” A clear distinction must be made between lust and love. Love is not like a tap which can be turned on and off at will (oh that it were that easy...) - lust, however, is!! You see an attractive woman; your lust is turned on; you pay her; you fuck her; your lust is turned off; you go your separate ways. Everything you said about your “very short” love perfectly matches the description of uncomplicated lust.

Your relationship with the girls you see bears none of the usual fruits of love: you do not desire to get to know them, indeed sometimes you won’t even ever know their real first name; you do not socialise with them; and you do not comfort them when they are sad - indeed, you are not even in a position to do so, since you only see them to fuck them and then leave them, usually never to make any sort of contact with them whatsoever ever again. On the other hand, your momentary relationship with the girls does bear all the fruits of the tree we call Lust. You can say the word ‘love’, Cocha Monger, but one is judged by one’s actions!! (See also my first batch of responses).

When a woman says that she loves you, you take her word for it. Perhaps, you try to judge her sincerity by her actions but actions can be misinterpreted. So it’s really her word. Maybe the poor girl loves you and has no wish to serve the queen only you. However, since you have no foolproof way of verifying this you look upon her wretched circumstances and assume that most probably she is being insincere out of desperation. That is not always the case is it Gedanken?

I concede that this is not always the case, no, though I don’t want my concession to suggest that I think such cases are anything other than exceptional.

As you rightly mentioned, but did not seem to commit to fully, actions, actions, actions are what people are to be judged by. Anyone can say anything they want. If someone tells me, “I am a devoted father!” but I know that he can only be bothered to visit his daughter, who lives only a few miles away, once a month, I dismiss their empty words: they are not a devoted father, their actions clearly tell me so. Actions, not words, are what reveal the measure and motivations of a person.

With this in mind, if I were in Thailand, say, and a hot-but-poor girl were to confess her love for me, I would not laugh in her face, but I would have to stop myself from doing so. And that’s because unless I was entirely naive, I would reckon that if the girl’s parents had moved to England and so she’d born in England, she surely wouldn’t look at me twice, let alone fall in love with me; and that’s because no hot English girl has ever looked at me as a casual sexual partner, let alone The One material. I am just an average man, and hot, rich-world girls have no need for average men. They can take their pick from rich and/or good-looking men. I am not such a man. Even the much-famed woman’s love of a good sense of humour is, in my experience, a load of old horse shit. Women are just as shallow as men, and I have no time for women who claim to the contrary. All of this is not to say that I wouldn’t take advantage of a disingenuous, Thai stunner to get some good helpings of GFE!

Now, Gedanken, you said “human culture” suggests the opposite. Are you sure that you didn’t mean to say Western culture suggests the opposite...

Wonderful stuff! Not only must I feel chastened for expressing myself in such a careless and ignorant fashion, I am also grateful for your picking me up on it because, upon re-reading what I wrote, I spotted something truly horrible that I had said.

And so, Cocha Monger, I’d like to do two things.

The first is to take back that truly horrible thing I’d said: “sex at its best is a loving activity between two emotionally mature humans.” Come along, Gedanken! Dwell on that careless statement for but a moment! No, loving sex is not “best”. It is better than poor-world mongering in the sense that the former is morally acceptable whilst the latter is not, but it is not best in any unqualified sense. If it were absolutely best then it would be better than uncomplicated, lustful fucking - but how can one meaningfully compare loving sex and lustful sex? Sure, the two of them are both morally acceptable and both use the same means to achieve their ends - but what are their respective ends? Lustful regular sex satisfies lust, whilst loving regular sex satisfies a desire to be emotionally close to someone you care about.

But why is it better to satisfy love than to satisfy lust? I can’t immediately think of a valid answer to that question, regardless of the sense in which the word ‘better’ is used; perhaps someone else can. For if ‘better’ is meant in terms of enjoyment, “loving sex is better than lustful sex” would mean that no one would ever want to have anything other than loving sex; ludicrous, ridiculous, absurd; and if ‘better’ is meant in a moral sense, then it would imply that loving sex is more morally acceptable than lustful sex; again, a ridiculous notion.

So no, I don’t think that loving sex is best and I was a fool for making a statement which suggested so. What I meant to say is merely that loving sex is better than poor-world mongering, and I mean ‘better’ in a moral sense. In terms of enjoyment, for me there is no difference between lustful regular sex and lustful mongering.

The second thing I must do is to take back my charge that prostitution is always and everywhere regarded less highly than regular male-female relationship viz. my Romeo and Juliet example. Whilst hunting for means of escape from your criticism, I was pinned down with this brief review of prostitution in Egypt:

A prostitute was a woman who had sexual relations with a man to whom she was not married in return for a monetary payment. But in the early days, such women were not looked down upon. On the contrary, they were often highly respected and even considered sacred, since the first institutions where prostitution flourished were the temples of the gods.

In ancient Egypt, the god Amoun indulged in sexual relations freely with many women, concealing his debauches under a religious guise. Families chose their most beautiful daughters, and offered them to the priests of this temple. As soon as they grew too old to satisfy the sexual appetites or tastes of this priests, they were permitted to leave the temple surrounded by all due respect. Often they would marry into noble families and enjoy the greatest honours and respect. [Continued...]

The obvious criticism to be offered about this quote is to ask how the beautiful daughters felt about being handed over to be used as prostitutes by their families - did they have any choice in the matter? - but that is beside the point. I’d said that Shakespeare doesn’t have Romeo handing over money to Juliet, and so set up the framework for any ensuing discussion to be how prostitution is generally viewed by societies, not by the girls involved. Gedanken promises to be more careful from now on!

And yes, it is a tough yarn to live up to. Let’s remember, though, that it is impossible to do so where there are no barricades. The conditions under which Romeo and Juliet’s love flourishes are that each of them is a member of two different groups which despise each other. (There is, of course, a ‘weaker’ situation where they are members of two groups, one of which hates the other group without that hatred being reciprocated by the other group). Most people, thank goodness, don’t live under conditions like that.

Human beings loving each other against the full force of a tsunami of other people’s hatred pushing them apart really is an amazing thing, examples being Jewish-Gentile relationships begun in Nazi Germany after September 1935 and Ashkenazi-Arab relationships in Israel today. It’s also worth adding that the kind of love between people that makes them feel like they can’t go on living without each other is standard, though its commonness doesn’t detract from its remarkableness; what are the words we all remember from those final phone calls made on 9/11? “I love you.”

The study cited by Ridley seems to me to be potentially worthless because of the sample size used (only two blocks of flats).

“The renowned anthropologist G.P. Murdoch, in his classic study Social Structure, found that of 238 different human societies around the globe, monogamy was enforced as the only acceptable marriage system in a mere 43. Thus before contact with the West, on average more than 80 percent of human societies were preferentially polygynous, meaning that male harem-keeping was something that most men sought to attain. It is safe to say that institutionalized monogamy was very rare.” - The Myth of Monogamy, Barash and Lipton

We notice that, compared to monogamy, polyandry is so rare that it doesn’t even warrant a mention - pause for thought.

Even now, Gedanken, young men are training to strap high explosive vests unto themselves and commit suicide attacks against both our countries in the hopes of spending eternity fucking 72 perpetual virgins. That is the reality of the world sir, not Romeo and Juliet.

I can only say that we differ on our understandings of the motivations of suicide bombers. If you’re interested in what mine are, one book to check out is Dying to Win by Chicago’s Robert Pape.

Men like our Gedanken are, I think, attached to the idea that sex, as it is normally performed, is degrading to the woman or feminine partner(s) - that 'being fucked' is by nature degrading. I believe they see this as acceptable within a 'relationship' because the degraded party gets something she wants out of the arrangement - security, 'love', etc. This is just what society has taught us. Of course part of this is misogyny - the view that femininity, and its practice in a sexual role, is inferior or degraded.

Affirming the consequent:

Premise 1: If Gedanken disapproves of all sex, then Gedanken disapproves of poor-world mongering.
Premise 2: Gedanken disapproves of poor-world mongering.
Conclusion: Gedanken disapproves of all sex.

If you clicked the link, you’ll have seen that there are two cases where affirming the consequent is acceptable; neither is applicable here. Your argument is manifestly not a tautology, and the biconditional case would - given the context within which the entire argument is taking place - be guilty of begging the question.

I don't think the reason traditional prudes disapprove of prostitution is so much because of prostitution itself as because they actually disapprove of sex, and particularly sex for women, accept in situations where a great deal of pretense has been made to 'make up for' the hideous imposition of being fucked (such as marriage, relationships, etc.)

Same again, but replace ‘Gedanken’ with ‘traditional prudes’, and ‘disapproves’ with ‘disapprove’.

Thanks for your kind words, Carlos! It is always interesting to hear someone else’s personal views on mongering. A shame I don’t speak German, Germany has such a rich intellectual history and culture. Alas, I am no philosopher, but merely a pompous-sounding Englishman who likes stirring things up. Isn’t life just so boring when everyone agrees with everybody else?

Can you accept that love and sex are two different things and that it is the nicest thing in the world to make sex with somebody you love. But making sex with somebody you just met and which you pay for the service is also ok if you do not get "love" thrown in (and this happens only rarely and absolute voluntarily)

I do indeed accept your distinction between love and sex. I forsake love because I can’t be bothered with all the shit that comes with it and really enjoy fucking hot girls. Sure relationships have their pluses, so perhaps I won’t always feel like this - but I’m pretty sure I will.

I accept life as it is. If you are lucky and meet a girl which is smoking hot and which you love and the love is returned. Congratulations then. Then you have done everything right in life and life was good to you.

Agreed. In the absence of a smoking hot girl to call my own, I too like to fuck girls who aren’t mine! ;D

If you are not so lucky. Make the best out of life. Like Monty Phyton. (Allways walk on the bright side of.) Then you have to pay for the sex. You might be lucky having a partner which loves you and which gives you good sex as well. I personally am a monger, I have a good partner but I like to enjoy also other skin, other smell and other sexual acts. Therefore girls which provide me with these services have my respect. They have their thoughts about why they work as a prostitute but I am really not in the faintest interested why they do it. For me it is ok that they do it.

My good sir, I again agree with you completely. If one must monger, one must monger. And if we are happy mongering, why stop? There’re lots of hot girls out there to be enjoyed!!

More soon folks...

[Chocha Monger]

Any woman who stays up late at night smoking or in the company of smokers consuming alcoholic beverages will age faster. Doubt it? Take a look at the average American barfly in her thirties. These are just a few environmental factors but genetics, nutrition and stress levels play big role in the aging process too.

I've seen a 26 yr old half white half Korean chick with cellulite on the backs of her legs. She was in the military and getting lots of exercise so she wasn't overweight. It may have just been genetics and diet. I've seen women in their early thirties who looked like they were already in their fifties. Their skin had turned to wrinkled leather from tanning, smoking and all night drinking sessions.

I've also noticed that guys who go through bad divorces seem to undergo a rapid spurt of aging. Marriage and fatherhood seem to age men too and they gain a lot of weight in spite of having to work more to support a family.

I suspect the reason why some porn actresses end up looking like crap in the American porn industry has a lot to do with how commercialized sex is looked at in American society. Basically, a woman who does porn or prostitution is looked down on as shit. So it stands to reason that most Americans end up in porn when they've run out of options and are at the end of their ropes. They may already have drug problems, financial problems and family problems that drove them into the industry in the first place. The money from the porn just facilitates their downward spiral by giving them the means to feed their additions. The same happens to lottery winners who ironically think that the sudden windfall of cash will solve all of their problems.

[Rubber Nursey]

LOL! Sorry. Using Europe as a sun exposure example was probably a bad idea. I was just trying to think of people who might not automatically be considered 'outdoor' hookers, but still come in regular contact with the sun. But tanning is a big one, whether in the sun or in tanning beds.

And by 'regular exercise', I didn't mean going to the gym. I meant sex. Probably ten times more effective than gym equipment and at least a hundred times more fun!

[Dickhead]

Ummm Rub the sun seldom shines in Amsterdam and less so on the window girls. Narrow alleys, tall buildings, sun definitely not a factor. Europe in general is pretty cloudy. No holes in the ozone layer. Spain, maybe, it's an issue, or Italy.

I think early childbirth is correlated to more children on average so maybe I should have just left it at fecundity but actually, I do think that having a kid at 14 or 15 is tougher on the body than having one at 24 or 25. Now maybe then again it is less tough than having one at 34 or 35.

In Latin America and SE Asia I don't think it is nearly as common for working girls to go to the gym as it may be in other places where you have your idea of "maintaining the body to get top dollar." I know some fairly "high end" hookers here, although I don't normally get involved with them. And, it's popular to talk about the concept of going to the gym but rare to actually do so. Ha ha. I myself am a gym rat and I can spot a hooker pretty easily and I just don't think this happens much in the countries that have large numbers of hookers.

Of course the general populace, and not just hookers and mongers, loves to talk about "going to the gym and getting in shape" and it is often all just talk.

[Rubber Nursey]

RN this guy has proably fucked more women than any of us. One would think his opinion on things has some sway.

I've fucked somewhere around 5000 men (and women)...still doesn't give me the right to claim that I'm healthier, smarter and more well-adjusted that anyone else in the sex industry.

I sincerely respect his opinion as an expert in his field and I'm glad he shared such a positive personal experience with the world. The more sex workers out there showing people that we can be professional, smart (and human!), the better. But suggesting that he's 'one of the lucky ones' and everyone else is a complete fuck-up, undoes all that good work. "This is an industry that attracts weak-minded people" is entirely subjective and completely unfounded, and considering he was excluding *himself* from that group, an incredibly conceited statement to make.

[Rubber Nursey]

1) Early parenthood and higher overall fecundity
2) Late hours and exposure to second-hand smoke (I suspect prostitutes smoke at a higher rate than the general public but I have no proof other than anecdotal)
3) Possible higher rates of drug use in some places
4) Coming from lower socio-economic strata to begin with, in general, which has implications for what kind of health care (especially dental care, which affects overall health more than is generally realized) and nutrition they received in their youth.

Well said. I'd agree with all of that. I'm not sure early parenthood would make you age faster (we're probably better able, physically, to deal with it when we're younger), but pregnancy and parenthood in general is tough on a woman's body - as is balancing single parenthood and a fulltime job.

We did a survey in WA a few years back and found that local sex workers used illicit drugs at about the same rate as the general community, but they were almost THREE TIMES more likely to smoke. A couple of Sydney surveys have had similar findings. I have no idea why that is.

I'd also add sun exposure for street workers and others who regularly solicit outside (like the old 'starting stalls' we had in Kalgoorlie and maybe even the Amsterdam window girls). Labourers, farmers, etc all seem to age faster than people who work indoors. You could probably add UV exposure from tanning salons as well, as heaps of hookers prefer sun beds to the actual sun, to avoid tan lines.

Oh, and this wouldn't be a Rubber Nursey post if I didn't mention the physical and psychological stress that living with constant stigma, fear and discrimination can cause.

However, I should say that I don't believe sex workers, as a group, age faster than regular women. Contrary to popular belief, we're not actually biologically different! All things being equal (socio-economic status, parenthood, drug use, etc), I reckon a street worker would age just as fast as any outdoor worker and a brothel worker would age just as fast as any indoor worker. Actually, a brothel or private worker may even age slower when you take regular exercise, massages, excessive skin and hair care, personal hygiene routines, etc into account? I know when I was working, I was fitter and healthier than I've ever been.

[Dickhead]

My guess on why hookers seem to age faster than the general population (I do agree this is true) would be:

1) Early parenthood and higher overall fecundity
2) Late hours and exposure to second-hand smoke (I suspect prostitutes smoke at a higher rate than the general public but I have no proof other than anecdotal)
3) Possible higher rates of drug use in some places
4) Coming from lower socio-economic strata to begin with, in general, which has implications for what kind of health care (especially dental care, which affects overall health more than is generally realized) and nutrition they received in their youth.

But not the sex itself. Sex itself retards the aging process, I'm convinced.

Now working backwards to your first contention, it depends on the monger's approach. Here again we get back to how you monger versus how I monger. I've had some anonymous "zipless fucks" but that's not my normal approach. So I think, overall, my mongering career has led to the opposite of what you postulate. I've gotten to know more women personally and intimately than the average non-monger. I've interacted with more women, talked to more women, grown to understand more women, and am more comfortable with women than the average non-monger.

You think you are mongering because of the situation you are in, career-wise, location-wise, etc., and that at some point you will cease doing it and "find a mate; someone to have children with." and so forth, according to your posts. Maybe you will and maybe you won't but you view it as temporary and so you have to do mental gymnastics to justify it to yourself, because you ultimately view it as wrong or inferior somehow. You view prostitutes as inferior to other women.

I can say for sure that my mongering experiences have made me like women overall more and not less, have made me more at ease with non-prostitutes, and have made me more successful in my interactions with non-prostitutes.

I don't think porno does that. I think it does the opposite.

[Warbucks]

They can't interact with people and because of all the porn they watch

Agreed. This also happens with the monger. Excessive sex to go.

Celibacy is NOT FUCKING HEALTH

Fucking yourself into a early grave is not so healthy also. Have you ever noticed that it seems like prostitutes age faster than normal women? Why is this BC?

In my limited worldview, it is only the *****s and artists and a few other people who are deeply spiritual and consciously WORK at it who have ANY dimension of REAL control over our lives.

LOL.