The Morality of Prostitution

[Chocha Monger]

I said the same shit to this effect on the PI boards and was accused of being an arrogant son-of-a-*****. I agree.



CM man you seem to be doing good with those "American Women" hell if I had your hand I would cut mine off. When I was in the States all I got to play with was Hoeish sisters, Cali Chinese, Rich Mexicans, and Samoan imports

Illogic,
I'd say that you are doing pretty good for yourself. It hasn't always been good for me. When I joined the Army it seemed that I was only attracting poor rural American women dreaming of getting on Tricare and living in government housing on base. Officers may be able to attract better looking women but these women are looking to hang out at home baking cookies for the unit in return for half of your pension upon retirement. That is not something I was looking forward to. When I traded my uniform for a suit and a tie women with a life started being interested in me again. I kind of resented the fact that serving my country seemed to put me into some kind of lower social status. I was college educated but when people saw that uniform they made certain assumptions.

Ironically, I know American women with doctorates, good incomes, houses and fat retirement accounts. These are the women I hand the keys to my vehicle and place when I travel. I tell them that I'm off to root some chicks in another country and they scold me for being nasty. They can often be more reliable than men in taking care of my stuff. I try to keep my dick out of these women because I don't want to ruin a good thing. If I start rooting them it introduces the normal female emotions that come with that sort of thing. Emotions like jealousy, revenge, possessiveness, spite and anger. Plain and simple these women want undying love and devotion. I can't or wouldn't give it to them, so they settle for my friendship.

In early adulthood I dealt with a female vampire. You know, the kind of woman that drains you sexually and emotionally, extremely jealous and controlling. I swore off commitment after that. Who needs a woman checking their bank account, checking their whereabouts and making silly accusations? So while I don't need to monger I find it better than getting into a relationship. Otherwise normal and agreeable women undergo metamorphosis into monsters once they identify a male as "my boyfriend" or "my husband."

The best relationships I've had with American women were with workaholic Asian chicks, or chicks who already had a man at home. This meant that they had other things to think about other than making me miserable. Living apart also gives me my privacy, though I have nothing to hide. A man needs a sanctuary where he can rest and think away from others.

I have always thought that American women make great friends. They'd probably make great wives if it wasn't for a system than makes it so easy and tempting to take advantage of men in a marriage. If you take honest people and give them incentives to steal without any negative consequences you can hardly blame them for doing so. It's not really the women, it's the system, the society and the media. That is why even the most innocent foreign woman changes in short order after residing in the US. I know of Asian guys who almost get a stroke when their formerly demure little wives start cussing out their mother-in-law.

Just because someone can say or do something doesn't mean that they should. In America we've become so individualistic and materialistic that traditional pair bonds that require compromise like marriage are no longer viable.

[Rubber Nursey]

rn don't tell us your a religious person. if so i find that to border on insanity with your background.

sex work and religion are not mutually exclusive. there are many, many sex workers who consider themselves religious! but you're right...i'm definitely not one of them. i just thought cm's comments were great 'words to live by'. amen, all praise the prophet chocha.

mind you, organised religion does make a clear distinction between sex and love. there are women you fuck (wh*res and slaves) and women you marry (sexless babymakers, hence the need for wh*res and slaves). the christian/catholic bible is the most sexist text known to mankind. women were enslaved, raped, traded as currency and routinely punished for the sins of their fathers, husbands and sons. reproductive control was paramount and, as we all know, the concept of controlling reproduction and female sexuality is still central to many modern laws. how any woman can be a part of organised religion is beyond me. i'm guessing most of them have never actually read the bible.

so when people say they love their family, kids, parents this is horseshit too? you basically saying love does not exist in any form.

no, i think he's saying that love exists in many forms.

[Warbucks]

I will say this: sleeping with me is an honor, not an insult and not abuse! They should be honored! lol I am good-looking, young and a gentleman. I have my flaws.....

I said the same shit to this effect on the PI boards and was accused of being an arrogant son-of-a-*****. I but I feel the same way.

That is pretty much the concept in the US. Sex and beautiful women are the sole domain of the rich and powerful. Stay on the treadmill and compete, maybe one day you'll be lucky enough to make enough money to get laid by a beautiful woman too.

CM man you seem to be doing good with those "American Women" hell if I had your hand I would cut mine off. When I was in the States all I got to play with was Hoeish sisters, Cali Chinese, Rich Mexicans, and Samoan imports

[Chocha Monger]

Interesting article on the sex trade in Costa Rica. He is pretty negative and breaks out the loser insult, and if they had money, looks, status,etc they wouldn't need to go to Costa Rica.

I love the money argument. Its OK for guys with lots of money, looks etc to have beautiful women or lots of sex in the US, but not for guys who go to foreign lands. In other words, stay home you average income, average looks, average job putz and accept what our society tells you to have. How dare you want to have a lot of sex! Make more money you loser!

That is pretty much the concept in the US. Sex and beautiful women are the sole domain of the rich and powerful. Stay on the treadmill and compete, maybe one day you'll be lucky enough to make enough money to get laid by a beautiful woman too. And don't you dare think of cheating the system by going abroad and getting the same thing in the Third World for less because you're a loser. You don't deserve those women and you shouldn't get any pussy.

When people go abroad instead of working harder in the hopes of getting some pretty tale they are cheating the government out of taxes and the corporations out of labor. Instead of struggling to get into the boardroom to earn a bigger salary mongers might decide to take up low pressure employment with plenty of down time to visit flesh markets in the developing world. There you see. I said it! Third World mongering is bad. It's terrible for the G8 too because their citizens may become less motivated to take up a trophy wife and breed some kids to provide labor and consumption.

First there was IMBRA, then passports/travel cards became mandatory for international travel and Swiss banks now share information with the IRS on US citizens. What will the New World Order bring next?

[Macheath]

This could be in the HIV section as well.

Yes totally irrelevant, but by all means introduce fear into discussions of sex at every opportunity. "HIV/Aids", as we've come to know it, has been around for at least 30 years now, and has had no significant impact on heterosexual society anywhere where statistics can be put under scrutiny. Maybe in another 20 or 30 or 50 years this unreasonable fear will die a natural death or be replaced by another equally groundless - although I suppose we will all be under water then.

Q. Why are our, western, visions of the future generally so bleak, when in general terms every succeeding generation lives better than their parents? Must be a buck in it for someone.

[CherchezFemme]

Interesting article on the sex trade in Costa Rica. He is pretty negative and breaks out the loser insult, and if they had money, looks, status,etc they wouldn't need to go to Costa Rica.

I love the money argument. Its OK for guys with lots of money, looks etc to have beautiful women or lots of sex in the US, but not for guys who go to foreign lands. In other words, stay home you average income, average looks, average job putz and accept what our society tells you to have. How dare you want to have a lot of sex! Make more money you loser!

This oft-repeated criticism loses sight of the fact that in other countries, I can be rich! Duh!

There are some stats on how many pros were abused as children, etc. Well, I was as well (to a small degree but nevertheless...) and I cannot and will not take responsibility for what was done to them. I can certainly sympathize.

I will say this: sleeping with me is an honor, not an insult and not abuse! They should be honored! lol I am good-looking, young and a gentleman. I have my flaws (I could lose about 30 lbs) as we all do.

Seriously, from what I saw in Costa Rica most americans were normal looking guys. There were some creepy old guys, a seriously obese man but that's about it.

BTW no offense to old guys: maybe I'll be there too 30 yrs down the road.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/lan...d=content_5511

[Opebo]

Not sure it applies to AIDS anymore - but in a presence of an STD where no significant action can be taken to protect one selves, then professionalisation of sex industry can have bad epidemiological consequences.

It doesn't apply and of course never did, but the rational you present has often been marketed by the Forces of Social Control.

[Shirokyu]

This could be in the HIV section as well.

Here is the link http://ideas.repec.org/p/nbr/nberwo/5428.html .

This is a bit dated with tri-therapy and all. But basically the argument is one that applies to dangerous STD where slippage is unavoidable and high sexual activity people (think professionals) do not protect themselves significantly better than less active people (which is not true of current STDs). Then the epidemic dynamics of having a small community of sexually active people, is worse than everybody cheating a little bit on each other.

This is because when one "explores" and everybody is being more chaste because of epidemics, your chance of meeting a very active partner are very high (just because of availability).

Not sure it applies to AIDS anymore - but in a presence of an STD where no significant action can be taken to protect one selves, then professionalisation of sex industry can have bad epidemiological consequences.

[Chocha Monger]

so when people say they love their family, kids, parents this is horseshit too? you basically saying love does not exist in any form. also i have never said sex outside of a relationship or love is bad but i would not want my kids or a family member to be a prostitute for simple respect, health, emotional, and physical reasons.

most of us feel some gratitude to our parents for having provided for us until we were able to fend for ourselves. in some cases they go beyond just raising us to adulthood and do additional things like sending us to college or setting us up in a business to give us an advantage over our peers. in those instances there is usually a feeling of great indebtedness to parents. on the other hand, there are numerous cases where people hate their parents. parents have a vested interest in seeing their offspring make it into the next generation. so raising kids is not a selfless act. in fact, some people exploit their own children. fathers screwing their own daughters is somewhat of a cliche in american hillbilly culture. however, looking out for the welfare of those sharing your dna is not exclusive to human beings. survival through procreation and the rearing of young is common to many animals, especially large mammals.

it's also interesting how people proclaiming prostitution and fornication is the best thing since sliced bread can be theist since its goes against every thing written in all religious texts. guys talking about they believe in god when they advocate prostitution as a way of life. a lot of you guys are atheist but just don't know it yet because if you were not you would have some fear of repercussions for living a life that is in contrast to what is written in the scriptures.

now this is horeshit. point to the stars and believe in god. people also try to tell me there is a god because i should be glad to wake up every morning. i usually respond with why shouldn't i wake up i am healthy as a bull. have any you of you theist seen god?.....nah i didn't think so. i have seen when someone loves someone though.

that quote is ironic coming from the man who helped create the atom bomb.

i wasn't making an argument for theism but rather pointing out that it is more of a leap to atheism compared to being a skeptic when it comes to love. i was also pointing out love of the sexual kind as expounded by gedanken the romantic. have you ever seen anyone give up their life to save someone they supposedly loved? i am talking about lovers not blood relatives.

[Warbucks]

This romanticism is quite amusing, especially coming from hardened mongers. It is obvious that the moralists have no scruples when their dicks get hard. Put a pretty Third World hottie in front of them and they’ll ravish her fresh little cunny then throw a few bills at her. Why? They do it to satisfy their sexual desire. Sexual desire is a biological urge to fuck, to ejaculate into a pussy. To think that there are more noble forms of desire like “love” vs. “lust” is a load of horse manure. There is no science behind it. It’s nothing more than flowery words designed to cover man’s basest instincts. Preference for a symmetrical face, big boobs, a nice ass and youth has been researched and shown to be part of man’s instinctive nature.

So when people say they love their family, kids, parents this is horseshit too? You basically saying love does not exist in any form. Also I have never said sex outside of a relationship or love is bad but I would not want my kids or a family member to be a prostitute for simple respect, health, emotional, and physical reasons.

It is interesting that people who claim to have no belief in a supreme being readily believe in such utter nonsense as love. Love is nothing more than surges of serotonin, other neurotransmitters and hormones. It is biological process that results in pair bonding. Arguing that sex outside of a pair bond is somehow less moral or noble than sex within a pair bond is ridiculous. But it does show that the people who believe this are well socialized individuals since this is exactly what civilized society wants in the West. The European colonizers brought Christianity, monogamy and death wherever they went. Of course, this never stopped them from putting the native women in the missionary position.

It's also interesting how people proclaiming prostitution and fornication is the best thing since sliced bread can be Theist since its goes against every thing written in all religious texts. Guys talking about they believe in god when they advocate prostitution as a way of life. A lot of you guys are Atheist but just don't know it yet because if you were not you would have some fear of repercussions for living a life that is in contrast to what is written in the scriptures.

Theists actually have more grounds for belief in a god than romantics have grounds for belief in love. All the theists have to do is point out the cosmos and the order of things that permit life to exist on Earth. Romantics would be hard pressed to demonstrate love in the absence of all self interest.

Now this is horseshit. Point to the stars and believe in god. People also try to tell me there is a god because I should be glad to wake up every morning. I usually respond with why shouldn't I wake up I am healthy as a bull. Have any of you Theist seen god?.....nah I didn't think so. I have seen when someone loves someone though.

“I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.” - Albert Einstein

That quote is ironic coming from the man who helped create the Atom bomb.

[Chocha Monger]

This romanticism is quite amusing, especially coming from hardened mongers. It is obvious that the moralists have no scruples when their dicks get hard. Put a pretty Third World hottie in front of them and they’ll ravish her fresh little cunny then throw a few bills at her. Why? They do it to satisfy their sexual desire. Sexual desire is a biological urge to fuck, to ejaculate into a pussy. To think that there are more noble forms of desire like “love” vs. “lust” is a load of horse manure. There is no science behind it. It’s nothing more than flowery words designed to cover man’s basest instincts. Preference for a symmetrical face, big boobs, a nice ass and youth has been researched and shown to be part of man’s instinctive nature.

It is interesting that people who claim to have no belief in a supreme being readily believe in such utter nonsense as love. Love is nothing more than surges of serotonin, other neurotransmitters and hormones. It is biological process that results in pair bonding. Arguing that sex outside of a pair bond is somehow less moral or noble than sex within a pair bond is ridiculous. But it does show that the people who believe this are well socialized individuals since this is exactly what civilized society wants in the West. The European colonizers brought Christianity, monogamy and death wherever they went. Of course, this never stopped them from putting the native women in the missionary position.

Theists actually have more grounds for belief in a god than romantics have grounds for belief in love. All the theists have to do is point out the cosmos and the order of things that permit life to exist on Earth. Romantics would be hard pressed to demonstrate love in the absence of all self interest.

“I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.” - Albert Einstein

[Goga Fung]

WTF is this discussion about morality? If one thinks prostitution is not moral, why do you ever come to this board and interact with all these low life human beings looking for hos? If you feel guilty please go to church. All people here are adults, nobody will never make up their mind.

I think if you can get laid either with a beautiful wife, gf, ho or semi-ho, it's good and moral. If you cannot get laid, then it's very immoral. It leads to insanity and even violence, for example the Pittsburg guy who was shooting women after he could not get laid. What's interesting after I showed this story to several people, their first reaction was "poor guy". They did not even get right away that the women should be sorry to as well.

[Opebo]

What is this obsession these hyper-rationalist psuedo-randian geeks seem to have with relating sex and love? Dudes, talk about insane. If you think you're so smart, why are you buying into that nonsense?

The two things have about as much to do with each other as either does with blood-sugar levels.

[Jelly Donut]

regular male-female relationship viz. my Romeo and Juliet example. ...

I don't know why I'm so on about this, but R&J is not a regular relationship. Shakespeare is not laying down a model for a loving relationship in that story; love is not the point. This is just obvious stuff you should have covered when it was introduced to you in school. The story flows from the fact they are teenagers with no experience in life. It is a tragedy that they end up dead over a puppy infatuation. Juliet is 13 years old.

Thing is, your narrative imagination seems to be informed by what you have been told the story is about (the pop version of R&J), rather than reading it and measuring it against your own experiences.

[ThatGuy865]

absolute poppycock! my cock doesn't differentiate between what kind of sex it's having.

there are plenty of married men who will do things with their cocks to a hoe that they would never ever do to their wives or want to. because of their respect for their wives. so therefore they do differentiate with their cocks.

the desire to copulate is a biological response. one's cock feels tension and then one responds to the urge to relieve that tension.

thats at an animalistic level, but we being humans, also use our minds. thats why their are age limits, otherwise using your thinking then ****s would be justified.

studies show that all initial attractions are based on physical attributes. it is only later that people develop romantic notions. in other words, you first become interested in a woman as a potential girlfriend/wife based on whether or not you think she's fuckable.

no that doesn't mean you want her as a girlfriend or wive. just you want to fuck her. i have fucked women i couldn't stand to be with. but because they gave great head or had a good body i did it. but would never want to spend a minute pass a nutt with her.

and how do you account for couples who don't want to have sex until they are married. they obviously don't fall in that category. they are not basing whether they are going to be a couple on the basis of how fuckable each one is to the other.

thats because we are humans and not animals. and as a lot of sex experts will tell you the most important sex organ is the brain.