Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Iluvthatwoman]

I enjoy going to help. I understand why some guys don't like help. That is the great think about Brazil, there is something for everybody. From Barbarealla to VM, there is something for everyone.

I understand why the Government would want to close Help because of its high profile location. But I don't understand the talk about how it is going to help tourism by closing Help. I go to Rio often, sometimes with the boys and sometime with my girl. I usually stay at the Hotel Copacabana when I go with my girl. I don't go to Help or in the direction at night and my girl has no idea it even exist! I can not believe that one person is refusiing to go to Rio because of Help and what goes on there at night.

Now, a lot of guys go to Brazil BECAUSE of Help and there is a chance that some of them will no longer go to Brazil. But I don't think that it will hurt Brazil not having help. It will not make that much of a difference in tourism.

I do think that some of the girls that work in Help will see their quality of life go down a little. I hope that something similar to Help starts up once Help closes but even if it doesn't, I will be back in a month and in the years to come.

The fact of the matter is Brazil is coming into its' own as a country. And closing Help and cleaning up the area is an important step in this process. It is a highly visible statement as it front and center on the oceanfront.

GDP's and p4p will always be available - it will just be less visible. Agree with Sperto, any lost $ from any mongers that stop coming to Brazil because of Help's closing will be insignificant and easily replaced with other tourist $.

[Rastaman]

I live in a large city with a respectable amount of Brazilians and have seen a black guy with a Brazilian woman at a Brazilian restaurant, disco, or other places approaching zero times. I also get shot down by them many more times in the U.S.A. than I do in Brazil.

Most of the Brasileiras that I come across living in the US (not including strippers) are not anywhere near as hott as I encounter in Brasil. The only exceptions are in Europe...particularly Spain, Portugal and Switzerland.

I would much rather travel to Brasil for the women. I have no interest in Stateside Brasileiras.

[Josechung]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1VBlaromJY

[Mr Enternational]

This has been my humble observation with non-pros inside of Brazil:

Exactly, you have guys on here who actually think that brasilian women prefer one race over another!! Thats the stupidest shit I have ever heard of, especialy, considering you can find every shade under the rainbow in brasil!!

This has been my humble observation with the majority of Brazilian non-pros I have come across who live outside of Brazil:

Another explanation might be that being light-skinned, blond, and blue-eyed is clearly interpreted a certain way in Brazil (as a matter of fact, all over Latin-America): you're upper class. It doesn't matter whether you actually are upper-crust or any of the things that Latin-Americans usually associate with that (well-to-do, educated, etc.), it's their perception that matters in that respect: light-skinned generally means rich, dark-skinned generally means poor. That's what they've learned over centuries. As a light-skinned, blue-eyed, blond European guy, I can specifically vouch for Mexico, where I live

Being a black American guy, I have raised this issue with several Brazilian friends. Those who have never been outside of Brazil can not believe the latter, and those who have been abroad will notice it only after the issue is brought up. I live in a large city with a respectable amount of Brazilians and have seen a black guy with a Brazilian woman at a Brazilian restaurant, disco, or other places approaching zero times. I also get shot down by them many more times in the U.S.A. than I do in Brazil.

[Cho 637]

Nice report.
Cho, I think you were using the list from March 2007
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...chmentid=82884
Sala 1706, 1825 and 3330 all moved two years ago.

Next time try the list from March 2009
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=1030

Thanks. I had the original blown up so I could read it. Have to do the same with this one.

[JohnnyBraz]

Only someone weak or suffering from retardation will belive what a GDP tells them. They love fools like that. It's all part off there game.

[JohnnyBraz]

Rodeo,

First off. Thanks for taking the time to write such detailed and informative reports about your Rio adventures. And for sharing the great pics. Seems like your experiences support much of what has been written here about venues, the ladies, negotiating tactics, etc. I enjoyed reading them and will certainly take your recommendations under consideration when I visit these locations later this month and again in November. Much appreciated.

However, I do have a few comments to make on your most recent report:

Your claim that "many-a-garota" don't like white men as lovers and prefer black men and "they seemed to delight in the idea of taking large sums of money for little work with their white sex partners" is ridiculous. You stated you do not think they were saying this to you because you are black. You should know by now that GDP's will say whatever they have to to close a deal and make someone feel special. And it seems you bought into it. I can tell you that I have had a dozen different garotas (black, white, mulata) all complain that they do not like to go with black Americans as they are way too rough (like to pull hair and slap their asses and faces). Of course there are different strokes for different folks and there are garotas that like it rough. But I also did not discount the fact that they may have been saying some of this to me because I am white. And they may have felt it would make some difference to me (it wouldn't have.) But they all seemed to describe the rough behavior in the same way. And I can tell you personally that the ladies I am with have to work hard for the money, and they don't seem to complain.

You also seem to infer that it is the white mongers that are bad negotiators and are driving up the prices. Not sure if that was your point. If that was indeed your point. It is ridiculous. Your negotiating tips are simple common sense and "Negotiating 101" for mongers both black and white. Many members (both black and white) have written chapter and verse on negotiating tactics and inexpensive places.

I personally do not understand why race has to even enter into the discussions here. Your reports were of great interest without having to go there. Of course, we had that idiot posting a few weeks back and that was unfortunate. C'mon guys. It is all pink inside!

Thanks again for all the enjoyable reading and pics.

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Well said, GDP's will say anything to get buisness.

Don't be a fool and belive them.

[Bravo]

Geez, and all along I thought the ladies ( insert gdp and/or regular ladies)were into the color green......I am such a fool!!!!!!!!!!!

RonnyRon......you got it right....and it can be applied to almost every woman on this planet.

Exactly, you have guys on here who actually think that brasilian women prefer one race over another!! Thats the stupidest shit I have ever heard of, especialy, considering you can find every shade under the rainbow in brasil!!

[Sperto]

On to Av. Rio Branco, 156 #1706 was some kind of school, #1825 no answer, #3330 a CD/DVD transfer business...

Nice report.
Cho, I think you were using the list from March 2007
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...chmentid=82884
Sala 1706, 1825 and 3330 all moved two years ago.

Next time try the list from March 2009
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=1030

[Cho 637]

On my August trip to Rio, I met up with Geofagus in order to check out some of the Centro termas.
Using Sperto’s map as a guide we started with the infamous BA85. This place has to be seen in order to be believed! A spiral wrought iron staircase extending up 5 floors! Despite what anyone says, it is only wide enough for only ONE person. We walk to the top and work our way down. And work it is, very hard on the thigh muscles! On each floor there is a large room with the classic sleazy red lighting. Usually a bar at one end, maybe a few chairs, and some half naked women strolling about. The numbers vary from as few as 3 to as many as 7 or 8. Quality was not over 7, and that’s being generous. However that could vary depending on the day or time. The girls also hang around outside of the casa near the staircase, giving you a better view. Some floors also have prices (drinks) posted on the wall near the entrance. You need to speak at least basic Porto. Also, each floor has music (usually funk) blaring!
Next was Rua do Ouvidor, 130, #707 (aka Stella/Hollywood). Nice selection of girls (about 6 or 7) wearing little jaguar outfits, rooms in the back. Excellent prices (R20 a pop/ R40 per dupla).
Then on to Travessa do Ouvidor, 37, A large room, well lit with and older lady behind the counter. Only 2 girls at that time (one mulatta spinner), but very friendly and tried very hard to convince us to stay!
After that Geo had one not on the list Av. Almirante Barroso, 6 #304/305. We went there twice, and saw 3 out of 4 girls, an average blond, a short muscular morena, and a thick mulatta with a great personality. Geo’s eyes lit up. I think she’s his next baby’s mama!
On to Av. Rio Branco, 156 #1706 was some kind of school, #1825 no answer, #3330 a CD/DVD transfer business, and #3320, a nice clean setup, nice selection of good-looking women, however one of them told us that all the girls do covered BJ’s.
Rio Branco 181, 2 girls, sheets should have been changed about 2 months ago. If you want a girl with a gap between her teeth, then this is the place for you.
Rio Branco, 185 #1829 (Flavia massagem) no answer, #2114 paradise! This place had an excellent selection of about 15 to 20 girls, very clean, got very busy around 6pm. And I can also verify that Susanny (about 5’4) is carrying considerable “junk in the trunk”!

It was great hanging with you Geo! Next time we hit the rest of the list!

[Bad Boy Billy]

I will follow your recommendation and will go to Chocolate - this one is new to me.

Carlos - all details on this link - have fun.

http://www.mobilenative.com/record.p...Gz_AZMjmVeA%3D

[Mangera]

Geez, and all along I thought the ladies ( insert gdp and/or regular ladies)were into the color green......I am such a fool!!!!!!!!!!!

RonnyRon......you got it right....and it can be applied to almost every woman on this planet.

[Rio Bob]

Doesn't really matter much if Help closes as long as something similar become available. I mean there should be a 'take-out' alternative to the fuck-on-the spot options like Termas and VM.
For all I care, they could name the new place "Pleh" and put it on the otherside of NS copacabana.

Well there is more than one scenario for this:

Help management might not want to give up their business and and want to open up a similar type club and have all the GDP's go there after Help is closed. The government might strike a deal with them to do this just to get them out of Help, this is just my opinion. They could offer them Bingo Arpoador even though it has already been expropriated, they could relax that and let them have it just to take over the Help location.

On the other hand if Help just closes then the Gdp's can take over any club in Copa, what could stop them? After all Help was a regular club once back in 1984, it wasn't until the late 80's that the Gdp's infiltrated the place completely and the rest is history.

For example they can start going to Bunker 94 in Copa, near the Sofitel, Mongers can follow, the current clientele would be pushed out, the GDp's could establish a new home base. They can do this anywhere, can't deny them entrance and you can't deny the mongers entrance.

You'll see, after Help is closed and I hope it doesn't another ground zero will be established somewhere in Copa. After all the monger business is more 7 days a week as opposed to local partiers who party mostly on the weekend, so the owners might welcome this new steady business.

[El Austriaco]

You should know by now that GDP's will say whatever they have to to close a deal and make someone feel special. (...)

To paraphrase this priceless advice of Hughdad, here is one line that has served me very well when I was in Rio, "If the girl's mouth is moving, she's lying". You simply cannot trust anything a GDP tells you unless there is irrefutable evidence to the contrary, and no, that doesn't include her GDP friends saying that she is right.

Anything she tells you that might make her appear in an even slightly more favorable light, let alone outright benefits her, you might as well just ignore. Especially GDS recounting their preferences over one type of monger over others, just total BS. I recall numerous experiences overhearing garotas at TA or MP bitterly complaining about (insert any nationality/race) and, five minutes later, after being approached by (insert any nationality/race), greatly exhorting their virtues. I even recall cases where they figured, hey, the guy doesn't speak any Portuguese, they would call (insert any nationality/race) their preferred customers ever in English while, at the same time, plotting in Portuguese with their friends how to rip them off for any penny they had.

They are just like used car salesmen. Just prettier and more feminine, but also more used

EA

[El Austriaco]

The explanation to this might be that being blond and having blue eyes is a bit of rarity in Brazil. Opposites attracts...

I occasionally get together with a few different women from there. One calls me "My Blue Eyes" and the other "Azul". I believe they are genuinely fascinated with the different look.

Another explanation might be that being light-skinned, blond, and blue-eyed is clearly interpreted a certain way in Brazil (as a matter of fact, all over Latin-America): you're upper class. It doesn't matter whether you actually are upper-crust or any of the things that Latin-Americans usually associate with that (well-to-do, educated, etc.), it's their perception that matters in that respect: light-skinned generally means rich, dark-skinned generally means poor. That's what they've learned over centuries. As a light-skinned, blue-eyed, blond European guy, I can specifically vouch for Mexico, where I live

Just take a look at all the announcers on TV, the models, and the vast majority of soap opera actors in Brazil, and you get that point. Or in any Latin-American country, for that matter, really. (Northern) European looks are the looks of the rich and famous, plain and simple. They are so vastly non-representative of the average skin color in Latin-America that it's pretty disgraceful, actually.

In other words: as soon as you meet their perceived ideal of beauty, you might just be their "trophy" guy. Or "trophy" client.

EA

P.S.: A very good British friend of mine here in Mexico always tells me that, compared to Europe, as a European, you bat at least 2 above average in Mexico, meaning that if you manage to pull 6s and 7s in Europe, in Mexico you will manage to pulls 8s and 9s. Just because you're: white, blond, and blue-eyed, nothing else. Based on my personal experience, Brazil isn't any different in this respect.