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10-30-09 12:53 #5670hi bez.
Originally Posted by bez bezarra
get back jojo!!
while i can't say that monsoon blowing all that smoke up my ass didn't feel interesting, please take all that jazz with a large pinch of salt, ok?
complaining about being flamed is poofy, just respond to clear the air if its unjustified.
there was rest town in kiev before. now there's sauna's, cruiser can explain how to find the numbers, or just look in what's on, there was about 20 numbers before. he can also explain whether each one has girls there when you walk in, which technically makes it a brothel, though does 2 girls make a brothel?? or if when you arrive, they just call some agency to send over 2 girls, so you can "choose". he'll also explain that saunas and salons are the same thing, i think.
the whole point of that, in keeping with monsoon's point, is, is this where local ukrainian men go, or are the salons and saunas where sex tourists go?
and that leads to another subject, out of town brothels behind some iron gates??? where ever the hell those places are hiding in ukraine, you'll need some locals to find. if the phones numbers and addresses are on the internet, i don't know where, except for the ones in spain, germany, austria, holland, belgium, and switzerland.
the filthy horrid apartments where hecker gets his blow jobs are the only kind of places you'll find in the newspaper, they ain't no fkk's!
next lesson- don't limit which places you enter by your lack of speaking russian, just drag your taxi driver inside to negotiate for you, thats super easy!
hydro park- yes! tixi omut- yes!! monsoon and i agree with you!
even the jury in the uk, is still out on what would technichally makes a place a brothel?
an apartment with more than one girl working in it is a (brothel), but the other girl can get round this point, by saying, that she is the maid and only does the cleaning and looking after the apartment and does not handle the money herself. so if a client hands over the money to the lady, that he is not shagging, then he has entered a brothel, which from a legal point of view, is not illegal for the monger, but illegal for the girls.
prostiution in the uk is not illegal, but prostituting is
so ifyou take a look round all the soho walk ups in london, where prositutes are working, you will see small cards discreetly displayed on the front doors showing models inside. this in itself is legal, but for a girl from the apartment upstairs, to stick her head out of the window or to stand by the window, signalling to passers by, is illegal, as she is prostituting herself.
so you are asking does two girls in a sauna makes a brothel ? .
in london and the uk, it is not., provided, they are not offering sexual services. but they would need all the cctv and police forces of the world to enforce it. sexual services is ment fs here. but what is the situation with two or more girls working in saunas in the ukraine? massage places in kiev offering very happy ending are legal right? , but what happens if you get the full works fs and all, from a legal point of view, for the monger in this case? .
i think i did ask this question about saunas offering fs in kiev, but can't remember getting exact locatons, but will look up what'son next time in kiev.
on the subject of river palace girls. i worked out their prices last night, as i was comparing the $300, that they ask for 2 or 3 or possibly longer hours, with the rates posted on models.com and escorts models. and if you add up what these girls on the sites ask for ph, it would come closely to the rates charged by the rp girls, but in rp you get to see the actual goodies on display before you take the plunge. so that would be on a par forlike to like if the pictures were real. rp girls not suitable for me, being a quality, quantity and speed man, in my mongering activities.
tixi omut strip club, is a mystery for me i am determined to resolve this time. the one and only poster, who posted on it here never came back to throw further light on it, as it does have a sauna attached to the club, and there is a place upstairs, where i kept seeing girls going there constantly.
this club had some beautiful girls, entrance only 40 uah, drinks are cheap, and the concierge in my hotel advised me strongly against visting, comparing the the area with harlem in your ny city. but although i was alone and it was my second night in kiev, and without knowing anyone in kiev, i did go and dragged my taxi driver with me inside the club, he and i had great time with the two lovelies there, but unfortunately, this taxi driver did not speak one word of english, so i had to throw all the questions at the fluently speaking girl there, and she denied comletely, that anything would go on in the sauna or upstairs, as the orginal poster here (queenstrib) claimed for 500uah, but i am not convinced by her denial.
my mongering sixth sense tells otherwise.
cheers bez from london uk, never been to tuscon ariz, but would love to visit in the winter.
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10-30-09 08:09 #5669
Even worse.
How about a hectic day working from 7.00 to 13.00, then drive 80 miles to the airport through traffic, then 19 hours of airports and flights to Kiev at 16.00, then depart Kiev by train next morning at 6.00? Originally Posted by Hecker
I don't get out much.
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10-30-09 07:57 #5668
Screwzer
No, I'm noobing into a regression.
Are you winking at Hunter to give him head?
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10-30-09 04:10 #5667
Bez are you regressing into a noob?
Hunter Dave...big wink and head nod.
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10-30-09 02:56 #5666
JoJo left his home in Tucson Arizona, for some River Palace Ass.
Get Back JoJo!!
While I can't say that Monsoon blowing all that smoke up MY ass didn't feel interesting, please take all that jazz with a large pinch of salt, ok?
There's definitely more than 1% of guys on the prowl in Arcadia's discos, and the ladies there would hardly be interested in an old fart like myself.
Complaining about being flamed is poofy, just respond to clear the air if its unjustified.
There was Rest Town in Kiev before. Now there's sauna's, Cruiser can explain how to FIND the numbers, or just look in What's On, there was about 20 numbers before. He can also explain whether each one has girls there when you walk in, which technically makes it a brothel, though does 2 girls make a brothel?? Or if when you arrive, they just call some agency to send over 2 girls, so you can "choose". He'll also explain that saunas and salons are the same thing, I think.
The whole point of that, in keeping with Monsoon's point, is, is this where local Ukrainian men go, or are the salons and saunas where sex tourists go?
Which leads to a more important question, which agencies do local Ukrainian men call for pussy? The same ones as non-locals?? Kiev being the capital, certainly there are always MORE russian speaking businessmen visiting at any time, than non-russian speaking tourists, so which agencies do they call??
Nobody really discusses that here.......
And that leads to another subject, out of town brothels behind some Iron gates??? Where ever the hell those places are hiding in Ukraine, you'll need some locals to find. If the phones numbers and addresses are on the internet, I don't know where, except for the ones in Spain, Germany, Austria, Holland, Belgium, and Switzerland.
The filthy horrid apartments where Hecker gets his blow jobs are the only kind of places you'll find in the newspaper, they ain't no FKK's!
Next lesson- DON'T limit which places you enter by your lack of speaking Russian, just drag your taxi driver inside to negotiate for you, thats super easy!
Hydro Park- YES! Tixi Omut- YES!! Monsoon and I agree with YOU!
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10-29-09 22:43 #5665if you had come to kiev at 22.00 after a 7 hour flight with waiting at airports and delays and after you had to work in the morning and had just this night and the next day to spend in kiev and had a girl in your apartment,i doubt if you would ever get out of your apartment,ley alone navigate the folk discos and remote areas of kiev. Originally Posted by monsoon64
the guys you mention have plenty of time in their hands.the point is to increase speed to kill the time effect.this increases the risk as well but it is the quick alteration which counts.give the other one a time frame of some hours and he will fail miserably.this is the procedure.to act with a time constraint.
sth they demand on job and if they saw how we use the scientific thought etc they gave us,they would kick us out big time.
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10-29-09 10:57 #5664Prior to landing in the city of gorgeous girls I read and reread the reports here and on other forums, and asked so many questions, that I was FLAMED once. Originally Posted by Monsoon64
The verdict was, that there are no brothels in kiev, and the apartments, that have 2 or 3 girls working incalls, will be advertising them as SALONS, well here is a new term, I have never heard before.
So now you tell us, that there are out of town brothels (behined iron gates), I have been to similar ones, just outside Belgrade, Serbia.
Would you care to expand on the above? Where are such brothels, names, town, location, telephone nos? .
I am sure, river palace is not real Kiev, and before I left London, I vowed to myself, never pay in kiev, more than, what I would pay in london, but I must admit it was difficult with the beauties of RP, but I stuck to my wallet.
Other places, would need a command of the Russian language.
Thank you for reminding us about Hydro Park on a Sunday Night, I think I will drag with me the same taxi driver, who accompanied me to that strip club TIXI OMUT on the other side of town, well here is a great place, that no other mongerer is willing to try.
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10-29-09 10:09 #5663I doubt it ,but no harm in trying ,or raising the subject with him,at least he will know ,that there are serious concerns and discussions going on,and at the end of the day,customers bring in more money than one or 2 crooked hookers . Originally Posted by Gergiev
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10-29-09 05:00 #5662
RP Incident
JJS, will be interesting to see if you get any worthwhile feedback about that... Originally Posted by Jojosun
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10-29-09 04:40 #5661
Hunter - Kiev Trip #2 Observations
Posted a few pics from Trip # 1, will work on Trip #2 pics soon. Wanted to get some of my observations, lessons learned from Trip # 2 below. I have started to write up Trip # 3 and will post soon since I have received numerous PMs from many of you on latest info before several travel to Kiev in the next few weeks. If you are going let me know because I did ask several girls if they would like to meet some of my "friends" who also visit Kiev and theyh said yes.
Kiev Trip #2 Observations
While using the cell phone that the apartment let me use was good and clearly better than my last trip to Kiev, I think I will probably buy a cheap unlocked phone and get a sim card and buy the minutes. This way I will be able to keep my number for future trips and can add hotties I want to keep numbers on for future visits. I should have thought of this earlier this month on my second visit. Always trying to improve for future visits!
I don't know what happened with the sheets this time. Either they used some cheap detergent to wash them or I was riding those women for so long and so hard that I got sheet (or in as they say in wrestling-"mat burns") burns on my knees. They were all red from that first night with RP Irina that by Day 4 the girls were asking me what happened there on my knees so I had to tell them that I had fallen down and rubbed my knees. I thought that was better than telling them that I had been fucking so many women in that bed that I had sheet burns from the intense riding. The pain we mongerers have to endure for freebies and p4p. Such a hard life. But the hunt must go on for new and hot pussy.
Wi FI is a must. I scored with 4 women on first contact on mamba the same day. Plus follow-up with 5 others from earlier online chatting also paid off. Just like a local number cell phone, wi fi is also a necessary tool in your mongerer kit. Without it you are just a blind squirrel hunting, sure the blind squirrel can eventually find a loose nut, but will not know all that are around him to collect and ravage. Don't get an apartment without this tool! My night with Valery (Day 3) we bought a few candles to make things a bit more romantic. As always fucking in candlelight seemed to heighten her sensuality and made the evening more intimate. Since I had them I went ahead used them a few times more on Day 4 night. Actually received a few compliments from the other ladies. Not a bad little add on to the mongering. Avery nice touch!
I was most impressed with most of the punctuality of the women, only Anna, Day 4 night, was late an hour. Most of all the others were there at my place on time or within 15 minutes to what was agreed. I also liked that most of the p4p treated this like a rendezvous with a secret lover than as a sex for money business deal. Only two of the 9 p4p asked for their money upfront, Girl #1 (Day 1) and Maria from RP, Day 4, (I think these 2 actually worked for pimps or an organization) Both were good lays but very businesslike. But hey, I sure did not kick them out of bed till I was finished with them. Both were great lays and hugged and kissed me when they left. I hope these lessons help other mongerers when they finally make their next trip to Kiev. Wish I could spend more time there, but I will tell you a good 4 day trip seems to be about right (this upcoming trip is only 3 days). I am never tired of nailing a good looking woman, but I do not sleep much while there and over time it does tend to have a cumulative effect in my bedroom workouts. But I do hope to see if I can make it there for a good 7 or 8 day trip to see how well I can perform.
I did try some cialis (10 mg) twice. First time I ever tried ED meds and to tell you the truth I did not see a difference. My time between erections may have been short but they were the about the same as my first trip and I still was then able to "rise" to the occasion. Now that I have tried it, not sure if I should stop to keep the hard-ons coming. Guess the jury is still out on the ED meds. I'm sure as I get older they will become a must. The things we have to do to please all these hotties!
Pics of the women seems to be tabu with them. They say they do not want to have their fotos on the internet. Many of the mamba freebies or not quite p4p are guarded when it comes to fotos. Since I am not meeting many at places and they came to my apartment they become rather cautious very fast when you ask. And I do not plan to jeopardize my chances on getting them in bed so I do not press much. I lay my Sony camera right there on the coffee table for each of them to see hoping they might want me to take a foto, but none have even mentioned the camera nor a desire to take a foto. My Nikon camera with the video capability is always laying in the bedroom lens uncapped looking to the center of the bedroom. I have only had two girls even try to cover the lens up or to make sure it is not on. Of course when they ask I tell them it is not. Will let you know how this next trip (#3) goes.
The Hunter
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10-29-09 01:49 #5660
Go back to your mysterious saunas that have no photos or phone numbers.
I suppose that Hecker's wh0res' condo board of directors made sure the Originally Posted by Cruiser D
stairway stunk to high hell from [CodeWord140], and the lights and the lift don't work.
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10-29-09 00:18 #5659
I hate to break it to you Bez, but yes they do.
Brandon, wow, all that time you wasted at a hotel. But the plus was the lobby girls I guess. I should be in Kyiv this winter for 4-6 weeks. Yah! Originally Posted by Bez Bezarra
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10-29-09 00:18 #5658Brandon, sitting here in london, reading your very informative and detailed report, opened new possiblities for me in KIEV. Originally Posted by Brandon88
ALL, I can say is thank you very much for putting in the time and effort, very much appreciated.
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10-28-09 20:32 #5657 Originally Posted by Jojosun
As I spent countless days and nights in the President, before Cruiser pulled me out of that prison, I do fondly remember the lobby lounge crew there. Most of them were older than the RP crowd, one or two significantly so, but of the regular evening staff of about 6 or 7, a few of them were quite good looking. Note that I'm very choosy.
If you are there alone, it's easy to chat one up and then casually stroll over to the elevator and up to your room.
If you are with work colleagues, things get very dicey, as the only internet access is in the lobby, so people tend to work there right in the midst of the potential action. The tactic I suggest in this case is to go up to the bar to order a drink, and make brief conversation with the Mama who stations herself there most of the time. She is heavy-set and blond. Tell her which girl you like, and either slip her your phone or room number and then go upstairs.
Be it known that the girl will have to fork $50 to security anytime they are observed going upstairs, and believe me they do keep close watch. So keep that in mind if trying to negotiate. Mama no doubt gets a cut and god knows who else in the hotel staff. Generally speaking, they are very firm on the rate, but they don't throw out a pie in the sky like the RP girls do. In the boom times, most of them were going for $200 per hour, although I did get a 'special' offer of $150 from one of the older ones. Definitely an advantage to using the lobby ATM to get the Hrivna exchange rate advantage here, although they will of course take dollars or euros.
If you are not staying at the hotel, you can get there by whatever means possible, have a drink in the lobby, make arrangements with one or more you like for another time at your apartment. They all own their own cars and are probably agreeable to a cut rate special at your place where they don't need to pay off the mafia. I can personally attest to the fact that if they like you (e.g. you are not a creep), you may find yourself sleeping in their (quite nice) apartment for an all nighter for a small donation.
I hope this is useful for anyone interested in a change of pace from the usual haunts, or anyone stuck for 3 weeks at the hotel in winter, like I was.
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10-28-09 19:39 #5656
Reality Check
I totally agree with Bez. For all you would be mongerers there is life outside Khreshatik and the $300 a night apartments you rent. Try slumming it once in a while. Venture out of the centre where Bez's description is totally accurate. People life in shit holes. It does not mean they are dangerous. Try Hydro Park on a Sunday night. Packed with pissed heads but perfectly safe.
Visit an out of town brothel hidden behind Iron Gates with Uzi wielding security greeting you as you tell them your here for women.
There is life outside River Palace. And the country is blessed with gorgeous girls. Sample cheap diners, tacky disco's. Visit Perigova and see what life is like village style. Fly town to Crimea. Go live with the Tatars. Go Saturday Night Fevering in Arcadia in Odessa.
99% of you will meet the same girls in your short mongering careers
1% will live the life
When guys like Bez and Irish Lad talk. Read and take in what they say and you will be rewarded with Pussy Heaven.
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