Kyiv

[Ash1001]

.. and might land yourself a lovely English rose ..

Err.. don't count on it. The "English roses" in London are the main reason I go to Ukraine all the time

[Maninthestan]

Gents, I have RTFF but I have a couple of questions.

As you read through the forums you see that things sometimes seem to ebb and flow, things that were gospel a couple years ago may have changed so I am looking for some up to date info. Everyone has their own opinions and when you are looking to travel to a country for the first time it can get a bit confusing with non current information from past posts.

I know there are a couple mongers that live in the area and I would appreciate your knowledge as well as the advice of recent travelers to Kiev in general. I might travel into other areas but will be mainly in Kiev in mid December for a little over a week.

I am more of a Dubai guy so things there are pretty straightforward. I was wondering if RP was like some of the clubs in Dubai (aka The York) or if there is more effort involved. I am pretty good at meeting people but sometimes I like a little straight forward p4p, less drama, you get what you want and move on...I assume that RP is pretty straightforward place? It seems to be the place to go from what I read...I know the prices are higher but I have the cash and can start there and maybe to get a feel for the game in the Ukraine.

I am not a Russian speaker so I understand I am at a disadvantage for freebies but I have overcome that in many countries throughout the world so I will get by. I make friends pretty easily and am good at finding my element in various countries and cultures.

I hear alot on the apartments...it is that much of an issue with hotels? If so I guess I will look for one but I like to live it up a bit and a hotel is just more convenient in most places for me. I have read on the areas that are best to stay but is there a specific hotel that is best or a couple that are in that category. I usually stay at higher end places but I will be happy with clean, private and with wifi. If you have a suggestion for a nice apartment I would be willing to look into it.

No flames please, just looking for some current info.

Is the H1N1 nonsense still causing waves in the Ukraine...?

The last question is how is the scene in mid December in Kiev, I know the Russian Orthodox Christmas is not till early January so I assume the University is still going strong and the kids are in the clubs.

Thanks in advance gents, if anyone is going to be in the area and needs a good wingman, shoot me a note.

-Maninthestan

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[DJ FourMoney]

DJ

Forget all the stereotypes and focus on the reality of which I am sure you are aware. If a guy is presentable looking and has good game he's going to score regardless of his skin colour or nationality. If there are any women in Ukraine who are put off by a guys colour they are more than cancelled out by the ones who actively seek someone of colour.

The truth is the most successful guys with women are the ones who take a little time to understand their target audience. Once they've gained that knowledge and coupled it with a little charm and presentable appearance they are home and dry.

Actually I don't even think about them (stereotypes). I just find some of the post around here terribly interesting.

[Kurenda]

I like this:
http://www.kievstag.com/mafia-style-kidnapping.php
But what if the real thing happen like to that english bloke in Odessa?

[Fijiman]

I came across the following website. Thought it might be useful for some.

http://www.kievstag.com/

[Tremayne]

Kurenda & Acolonizer -

Why does it always dissolve into a discussion of "White Women Only Want Me For Curiosity's Sake and no other reason"?

If you say 63% of Slavic College Girls (18-25) don't want to marry a foreign man, what about the other 37%? Does that mean that the other 37% are not good enough for the typical White Male? You mean that same weak argument held in some camps in American Culture?

I would also think most women with two thoughts in their head and any knowledge of American race relations knows that Black Folk aren't rolling in the dough (if your aren't an Entertainer or Athlete) but if I find a way to Europe not via the Military I must have SOME MEANS.

After all, I agree if women are largely looking for Cocks (I prefer Dicks), Cash and Children. Most men can provide this, if were talking average women and not the ones that dream to live in a McMansion and drive a BMW.

I think if only 10% of Western Men even venture to Europe, that matches well with the 37% that are interested.

Slavic Women often describe what type of man they are looking for (European, White, Dark Hair, Italians, Brits, Tall, etc), gee I even found a few profiles on Elena's and Lucky Lovers that even say African-American or Black Non-African decent. They aren't overweight, ugly, nasty, single mothers either. Though some of them are Single Mothers (I know two) I have read that Single Parenthood by Women in EE is largely looked down on. Whatever the motives are, so what, women have MOTIVES what else is new.

Parrish the though but sorry fellas some attractive Slavic Women think Black Men are handsome, intelligent, sexy and would make great fathers and husbands too...

I shouldn't have to use the example of a few of my friends are married to Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, Hungarian or Romanian (as you have stated about interest) women either.

DJ

Forget all the stereotypes and focus on the reality of which I am sure you are aware. If a guy is presentable looking and has good game he's going to score regardless of his skin colour or nationality. If there are any women in Ukraine who are put off by a guys colour they are more than cancelled out by the ones who actively seek someone of colour.

The truth is the most successful guys with women are the ones who take a little time to understand their target audience. Once they've gained that knowledge and coupled it with a little charm and presentable appearance they are home and dry.

[Jojosun]

I've never apologized for being who I am, there's nothing I can do about it and frankly I rather be Black. Lower expectations for one thing.

DJ FOURMoney

I concur, with what the top guns on EE and ukraine, have advised you.

LET us not forget, that the persecution and pogroms against the Jews, started in EE countries in the late nineteenth century, a long time before Hitler came to power in germany.

This hidden racisem and resentment against the jews is still there below the surface. After all these years. Poland, and Russia are a few examples.

I witnessd an incident in a club in kiev, a group of israelis of varying colour shades, were refused entry, because in their party were some black and dark skinned members., and when I asked the English speaking waitress for the reasons, she replied (Oh my God Jews and Black.).

I have travelled and travel for mongering in EE countries, for a long time, and I can tell you, this was not an isolated incident, but a reflection of the sentiment of the wider population.

In poland one girl in a sex club told me outright, that no Blacks are allowed in. In 7 years of sex clubbing in poland, I have never seen a single Black or dark skinned monger there.

DJ, just head to LONDON, where you will be at your elements here, just head to the upper drinking bars and clubs of chelsea, where you will be the envy of a lot of the white guys, and might land yourself a lovely English rose, as a potential one to tie the knot with.

[DJ FourMoney]

DO NOT apologize, and there's no need to PERISH any thoughts.

Just remember, political correctness has decades to go before it encompasses race relations in EE. In russian, the chornomazzi 'n' word will still be their reference to Chechens, for years to come.

Surely being american and black, you have a significantly different perspective from African guys, which outnumber you in Russia by 100 to 1?

Don't even take the low road, that "attractive" women have some different perspective from any others, the bottom line remains that russian racism is still 50 years behind the USA, and will be much slower to change. It has nothing to do with whether some female is attractive, its simply that the white russian trash majority remains closed minded due to ignorance and racism they learn from families and friends, and the more intelligent minority is more accepting and tolerant of people that are different.

As the KKK in the USA is really now only a super tiny group here with practically zero support, and always faces stiff and instant opposition from the majority, the skinheads in EE include significant memberships and semi-apathy from the average ruski. If 8 drunk skins are stomping some Kenyan who walked down the wrong street, you really think the average citizen is gonna try to stop them? Or protest against them? You got a long wait for that to happen.

But there's still and always will be a place for you, and naturally it helps that your being a player increases girl's curiosity. But its simply still too soon to expect that girls who care more what her family and friends will say, will be ready for the big step. There's no history of tolerance there, so it will take time.

Just don't ever again ask A-Colon-Lizard for his insights about ANYTHING except esophogeal sperm transfers.

I've never apologized for being who I am, there's nothing I can do about it and frankly I rather be Black. Lower expectations for one thing...

[DJ FourMoney]

"I think if only 10% of Western Men even venture to Europe, that matches well with the 37% that are interested".
DJ you wanted to say 10% of Western men venture to EAST Europe?
All you said is right but this is exeption and not a rule.
Men/women marry other women/men for various reasons.
You say you found few profiles on Elena's and Lucky Lovers that even say African-American or Black Non-African decent which is fine. But also on those sites there are also thousands of those who say "caucasian only", "non muslim",
"not from Africa" etc. In FSU for example racism is more acceptable and common thing than in the west. Last year in Moscow police stations 27 blacks died while in police custody. They were described as "nigerian drug dealers who died upon swallowing their drugs ment for sale". This can be true or not but no body ever questions this and things go on. What would be the situation if this happen in USA or London for example?

I'd say 70-80% of profiles say White/European on all the sites with Eastern European women on it. I have found a majority of them say nothing as well as in "Not Important" and let's be honest here, most women Western, Southern or Eastern are looking for "Few Good Men".

Well given what's happen to some Black Men while in police custody around America, yes that kinda thing happens...

I never let Racism stop me from doing what I want. I walked around Kyiv very late at night and in very dark non-touristy areas and nothing happen. I wasn't overtly concerned with my safety at any one time.

If I become a victim of a crime its more than likely not based on my skin color but more with the fact that I was at the time an available target. I tend not to be alone, this rarely happens. I'm more likely to get ripped off by people I just met. I was confronted in Stockholm by a Polish Guy that had spent time with me and this other Black Frenchmen about some money or something. After allow him and his somewhat larger Polish friend to search my bag which had nothing of value in it, they went on their merry way and it was 4am in a mostly empty main train station in Stockholm. I wasn't concerned one bit, I didn't know either of them and no money was talked about or exchanged, I think he just ASSUMED I was guilty by association; Both of Us Being Black...

I would call that a Racially Motivated Incident.

A guy called me a "Sex Tourist" in Kyiv, he didn't say "Dirty Nigga Fucking White Women, go home...". Then again the girls were part-timers and known to this guy so I guess he felt calling me a Sex Tourist was enough...

[DJ FourMoney]

Really? You prefer Dicks??

Hey, I'm not one to judge. Just seems strange considering the topic at hand :-)

ROFL, I just never heard any of my friends that weren't Caucasian utter "Cock" that's all, we usually say "I got an average sized dick" for example.

So that would be DCC not CCC

[Meashearim]

Hi Jojosun,

No nothing new on the sky unfortunately. Anyhow I didn't notice any difference when I went out Saturday to an Ukrainian local bar, then Radio Disco Hall and at four in the morning I dropped by RP. Maybe the fact that it was Halloween compensated the drop of people usually going out. After this weekend I will be more accurate in my report.

In a logical world it should definitely strengthen my negotiating position, but in a logical world – if I would been an Ukrainian djevuska – I would literally through myself on any foreigner and leave this country for good!

I will check out the scene this weekend, and see if the hard nosed-sushi (all girls here want to have sushi on a date sooner or later) has changed their attitude.

Meashariem,

Any up dates on the H1/N1 in kiev, you report as if nothing is going on.? Well this is good news, but has it strengthened you negotiating position? An up date is very much appreciated, so I know what discounts to expect.

[Fijiman]

After all, I agree if women are largely looking for Cocks (I prefer Dicks)...

Really? You prefer Dicks??

Hey, I'm not one to judge. Just seems strange considering the topic at hand :-)

[AColonizer]

Yes, I agree but some details.

Italian and Romanian are both neolatin languages but I think there are very different genetic and background between Italians and Romanians. At last, that's true, Romanian girls are pretty similar to Italian girls

All Slavics learn Italian easily, that is a genetic charateristic of Slavics.

Acolonizer pay attention to this.

In anthropological sense Romanians are NOT slavic people.

They belong to group of romanic people together with Italians, French, Spaniards and Portugese.

They same name of the country speaks for it self: Romania comes from Roma.
As Rocco Siffredi said in one of his porn movies: "Romainans are half Italians" he he.
There are many Romanians in Italy for simple reason - the language has similarities and Romanias easy learn it.

Since most Slav's religion is orthodox and you though Romanians are orthodox too (Moldovans also) this is just historical technicality.

DJ doesn't need to be rich since there are many girls who fants to fuck black guy because of the "black dick thing". The same as many black girls wants to try a white dick. In EE there are many girls who will fuck a black guy but not many of them who will present him to her parents as future husband.

[Kurenda]

"I think if only 10% of Western Men even venture to Europe, that matches well with the 37% that are interested".
DJ you wanted to say 10% of Western men venture to EAST Europe?
All you said is right but this is exeption and not a rule.
Men/women marry other women/men for various reasons.
You say you found few profiles on Elena's and Lucky Lovers that even say African-American or Black Non-African decent which is fine. But also on those sites there are also thousands of those who say "caucasian only", "non muslim",
"not from Africa" etc. In FSU for example racism is more acceptable and common thing than in the west. Last year in Moscow police stations 27 blacks died while in police custody. They were described as "nigerian drug dealers who died upon swallowing their drugs ment for sale". This can be true or not but no body ever questions this and things go on. What would be the situation if this happen in USA or London for example?

[DJ FourMoney]

Kurenda & Acolonizer -

Why does it always dissolve into a discussion of "White Women Only Want Me For Curiosity's Sake and no other reason"?

If you say 63% of Slavic College Girls (18-25) don't want to marry a foreign man, what about the other 37%? Does that mean that the other 37% are not good enough for the typical White Male? You mean that same weak argument held in some camps in American Culture?

I would also think most women with two thoughts in their head and any knowledge of American race relations knows that Black Folk aren't rolling in the dough (if your aren't an Entertainer or Athlete) but if I find a way to Europe not via the Military I must have SOME MEANS.

After all, I agree if women are largely looking for Cocks (I prefer Dicks), Cash and Children. Most men can provide this, if were talking average women and not the ones that dream to live in a McMansion and drive a BMW.

I think if only 10% of Western Men even venture to Europe, that matches well with the 37% that are interested.

Slavic Women often describe what type of man they are looking for (European, White, Dark Hair, Italians, Brits, Tall, etc), gee I even found a few profiles on Elena's and Lucky Lovers that even say African-American or Black Non-African decent. They aren't overweight, ugly, nasty, single mothers either. Though some of them are Single Mothers (I know two) I have read that Single Parenthood by Women in EE is largely looked down on. Whatever the motives are, so what, women have MOTIVES what else is new.

Parrish the though but sorry fellas some attractive Slavic Women think Black Men are handsome, intelligent, sexy and would make great fathers and husbands too...

I shouldn't have to use the example of a few of my friends are married to Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, Hungarian or Romanian (as you have stated about interest) women either.