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12-28-09 22:22 #171
Posts: 2626Originally Posted by Gentleman Travel
Knowing a girl beforehand might take away some of the excitement or some of the plus factor of getting a new girl, but it also takes away most of the risk and as you mentioned before, will provide added benefit later... in most cases.
What has worked for me is simple:
1) pick a place I want to go anyway (usually cities for me)
2) pick a girl who will APPRECIATE it
3) pick a girl who provides good company besides just sex
4) agree that you cover flight and hotel and food, nothing else (at least I refuse to give them any shopping money)
5) don't book too long, only a week with a single girl
6) pick a girl that is hot enough to make everybody jealous (I enjoy this.. )
7) if you have special requests (I like photo sessions and language practice) agree beforehand... the sex will be automatically available anyway IME.
It's always been a good time, with limited additional costs if planned correctly.
Visa is an issue but can be handled.
I've been tempted to try the blind date vacation, but never pulled the string on it. Too afraid of getting a dud, but maybe I shouldn't be such a coward and should try it. One thing I've always wanted to do was invite 2 girls who are already friends of one another. They'll get a positive holiday vibe going and I'll get sex. When I am bored with their company, send them out for the day and have them come back for night fun. Could also be disasterous though... really rolling the dice on that one methinks.
I did have one negative experience with a girl I invited to stay with me in Moscow though... thankfully there was little extra expense there. She eventually put out when we met later on a seperate occassion and has become a delightful semi-regular, but I didnt get any during her initial 3-day visit. Was partially my fault though, I was in a bad mood and stopped even trying out of spite after the disasterous sexless opening night.
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12-28-09 20:52 #170
Posts: 724Originally Posted by Ash1001
I know that is a risky business but since I am not getting back to the motherland very often, it may be a risk worth taking. I should emphasize that I have not actually done this. I did not for my recent Jamaican jaunt partly because of the cost and partly the uncertainty. Remove the uncertainty about getting a visa for her - which I had not properly understood - and the math (and risk) becomes a little more straightforward.
I am now looking at doing this for a European trip but am running into other complications. The cost is less, but the attractiveness of the offer is less also. And the visa issues are greater. So over all still not as easy it sounds. Obviously you are much better off if you have an established relationship with the girl and have test driven her.
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12-28-09 18:01 #169
Posts: 411What exactly is the modus operandi here? Are we talking about flying over to the FSU to pick the girlie up and travel with her to the sun, or meeting her in the flesh for the first time at the sunny destination after sending her a (presumably non refundable!) air ticket?
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11-23-09 20:15 #168
Posts: 724Visa-free travel
Originally Posted by Fijiman
I knew that EE girls could go to Dominican Republic and Cuba easily, but it turns out that applies to many other Caribbean countries also. Knowing that a visa is automatic might change my strategy in the future.
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11-23-09 19:34 #167
Posts: 369GT, no pre-trip visa was necessary. They just give you one when you land. The following Wiki post is useful for seeing what the rules are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_passport
Yes, I think you definately need to take the lead. I received 0 enquiries about my posting, and only had 2 responses out of the dozen+ messages/offers I sent out. I think the difference is between a maximum of sex/dollar vs a maximum of romance/dollar. For maximising sex/dollar, best to stay at home or go directly to the source.
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11-23-09 18:55 #166
Posts: 724Fellow Travellers
Originally Posted by Fijiman
Was there any problem getting a visa? I assume it is not as difficult as for her to visit the US or Canada, but it just meant another uncertainty and risk.
So next I tried targeting Mamba girls that lived nearby - cities I visit frequently on business. The principle here being that I might get a better ROI by using the trip to recruit a "girlfriend" that I can see afterwards. A couple of nibbles and a couple of dates, but I probably won't actually be taking any of them along, now that the trip is so soon. But it may lead to other mutually beneficial arrangments. But Mamba was not really a better source for leads this way than, say an ad on Craigslist.
In the end I have decided the cost of bringing a girl from the EE, or even from Canada (if you don't get a real airfare bargain) makes it pretty expensive sex. Instead, I am going to try working semi-pro local talent on site. Of course that way you don't get Slavic beauties, or any after-benefits. Plus every Caribbean country and resort area vary dramatically regarding the morality and price structure of the local girls, so it is hard to know how it will turn out when travelling to a new location.
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11-23-09 18:09 #165
Posts: 1337Originally Posted by Stravinsky
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11-23-09 17:47 #164
Posts: 724Report of Distinction!
Originally Posted by Jake993
I love the taking apart a radio analogy!
However I think it is important for you to remind yourself constantly of this shift in the relationship. Sure it's great getting fabulous "free" sex now, but you know something else is going to change. And of course, even though the sex is no longer a cash transaction, that doesn't make it free or even cheap. As your girlfriend, she may feel she is entitled to more presents or subsidies than she was as your fuck-bunny. And maybe that's fine, nothing in life is free, it is just important to recognize the costs as they rack up. In the meantime make sure there are no sharp knives in the kitchen, since you don't know when the next twist in this tale is coming...
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11-23-09 16:23 #163
Posts: 1454How quickly they forget!
Jake,
I believe you have already answered your own question.
Originally Posted by Jake993
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11-23-09 15:48 #162
Posts: 369BB,
I went on a vacation recently with a ukrainian lady. I found her on Mamba and she had a listing under the travel partners section.
We went to an all inclusive Jamaica resort , and I paid for everything (flight, hotel, misc costs.
Some notes on the experience
-to my chagrin/benefit she turned out to be quite a well traveled, classy upscale girl. I had presumed she would be the an economically disadvantaged eastern european hottie. But she was actually an upper middle class parttime model. Very smart, but also a bit of a handful
-sex was great and happened the first night, despite her having flown a long way.
-we encountered some challenges from 7 days of living in each others pocket (ie shared room)
-she got sick, (fever, etc) which put a big of a crimp in our plans
-she bought various gifts/trinkets (fridge magnets, etc) for her friends and family. I was taken aback when she started shopping in the gift shop the first day, but I know understand that it would be considered rude and unthoughtful if she returned home with nothing for her friends and family. Total cost for the gifts for her and others was about $350.
-total cost for the week for both of us, all costs, $5500. Considering that I also got a weeks vacation, the cost for having her there with me was about half that. More than half of her cost was the airfare from Kiev.
Conclusions?
I'd suggest having met the girl first. (We had not, but we had a lot of common interests, and felt strangely comfortable right from the start). We spoke on the phone a lot before we left.
I sent as many documents/etc as I could to reassure her that she wasn't arriving to a white slavery operation or something. Copies of all the documents, prebooked taxi for airport to resort transfer. Advised her I was giving her $100 for any incidental travel expenses.
Biggest mistake? Not taking enough time to sit down and talk pragmatically about her priorities/interests/needs during the week. We both rushed into the romantic part of the trip, not wanting to spoil it with "business talk", and that led to some misunderstandings.
Still, it was quite an experience to be escorting this extremely beautiful, intelligent girl. Even with her three days of illness (yes, 3 days, terrible luck for us), it was still a great trip.
feel free to pm me for more discussion/details
fj
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11-23-09 15:37 #161
Posts: 1337Why ask why?
Originally Posted by Stravinsky
I have a good thing going here and I am on the brink of fucking it up with stupid questions.
It's like taking apart a radio just to see how it works. You know damned well you can't put it back together and that it won't work once you've taken it apart. You won't REALLY learn anything by dismantling it and yet you take it apart anyhow. Some things are better just not knowing.
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11-22-09 22:44 #160
Posts: 1454Originally Posted by Jake993
Or, it could have nothing to do with you at all. I think prostitution for Russian women is not so clear cut as it is here in the U.S. Many Russian women take money from men for sex and would never consider themselves to be prostitutes. So this can create a lot of confusion in their minds sometimes. Perhaps she is just having second thoughts about her wh@ring days and is looking to create the illusion of legitimacy for her own peace of mind and self esteem.
In any event, you definitely want to discuss it with her and clarify what are your intentions and her expectations.
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11-22-09 17:31 #159
Posts: 175BB,
I can't give any feed-back as I have never been to holidays with a diev, paying for he rflight ticket or expenses, and then hoping getting something from her.
But what is 100% sure, is that:
- this is quite common practice in russia, and many website offers this possibility
- russian girls have a rude life and holidays for them means drink, sun and sex. If someone can pay for this, and guarantee that they would have at least the "sex" part, then they are delighted... It is like someone is paying to offer to them what they want...
So, if the flight ticket doesn't cost so much and the girl looks pretty, I would certainly do it.
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11-19-09 21:07 #158
Posts: 1493Originally Posted by Jake993
Whatever you think about PornStars/Strippers/Escorts/Call Girls I think the same rules apply - http://therealsavoy.********.com/200...porn-star.html
If you really think this came out of Left Field; Danger Will Robinson, Danger!
It should be expected. Do you treat this woman like shit? Let's be honest for a second.
Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to find a man that would accept your a Prostitute?
Just have a look at the "Morality of Prostitution" thread and times that by 100.
So if MOST men have this preconceived notion of "women" the answer would be "extremely hard".
If you buy this woman nice things, take her places, please her sexually, holy cow man unless you found a hard core user, I think its safe to stay she's falling for you without saying as much. She might not want to tell you thinking you would drop her.
This "cunning and conniving" The good Doctor mentions finds its own victims.
I totally believe you disarm women if you don't let the lure of sex rule you.
Sex is their NUMBER 1 Weapon against Men
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11-19-09 17:53 #157
Posts: 1337Originally Posted by Doctor_Skank