Angeles City

[Hesekiels]

... A few things come to my mind in regards to this crap. First off, in regards to getting them drunk... .

that's indeed key! According to my experience most girls are getting drunk after having had two SMB or just one glas of red wine. I have learned my lesson and in order to save myself from unpleasant situations I just offer soft drinks when the cuty and I hop to bar #3.

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[LoveAsianWhores]

No offense! I just wanted to make sure that it is not another "sociological experiment"! However, in order to prevent other mates from such an unpleasant experience it might be useful to disclose the name of the bar and the girl! What do you think LAW?

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Unfortunately, I was not able to make it back to Angels yesterday, so I am not able to post the follow up report I would like. In fact, I may not be able to make it back for a week. But make no mistake, either the girl will be fired, or the bar is FUCKED! But if they do apoligize and fire the girl, it would be unfair to name the bar as they have no way of knowing that they are employing a *****. A bar only has the responsibility to return my barfine and fire the girl once they are notified of an issue. I cannot imagine that once I meet with the bar manager, they will decide it is in their best interest to continue to employ the girl and not return my barfine. I've had some time to think of some quite creative revenge tactics if I don't get my way, although I certainly won't be making any threats as I don't want a bullet in the back of my head. I'll just smile, shake his or her hand, and then initiate my revenge.

And to the poster who asked if this was true. Are you serious? Like I have nothing better to do then make up stories about Angeles. I go there every week, and I have far more true stores to post then anything I could make up. I posted this one only because it was so outrageous and atypical, that I absolutely had to share it.

[RCA Knight]

It seems like runner rate in AC is getting worse. It was so rare 5 years ago. These 3000 spotlight girls are runner potentials. Last trip barfined 2 times these star girls but both ran away after 1 hour, always some lousy excuse like not feeling well.

There is no use to complain, since these girls bring so much income to these bars.

Nowadays, there is no guarantee all night even lady makes the promise. AC is changing in the bad way.

[Dveight]

well, friday night i finally got scammed in angeles. i've probably had well over a hundred barfines in ac, but eventually, the odds catch up with you. anyway, i'll give a quick overview of what happened and then i want some advice on how to handle the bar when i return tonight. i won't mention the bar at this point for a couple of reasons, but i'll just say it is one of the largest and well known in ac.

so, i'm walking past the bar friday night and see a cute doorgirl. i talk to her for a minute and then ask her inside for a drink. she tells me that she is a waitress (just talking to the doorgirls outsite and they wear the same uniform) and has been there for a year, but never had a barfine. she seems like a very nice girl. i figure she might be a cherry girl, but she never mentions it, and i don't care because i like working on cherry girls as i go to ac just about every week and they make good girlfriends if you find a nice one.

she is very eagar to barfine with me, so we go. from her interaction with all the other girls there, it really did apper that i was her first barfine. it is possible that all the other bargirls were just playing along, but i would think that is unlikely (but who knows).

so we go to crystal palace to hang around for a while. she gets quite drunk, and i get the impression that she is not some simple virgin bargirl, but i also get the impression that she likes me. some girls are quite indifferent to me, and some girls really like me (like girls everywhere), but i was quite sure that she liked me. anyway, after about an hour or so, we head back to my hotel. she tells me that she does not want to go to my hotel, but wants to go to my house in subic. i explain to her that is not going to happen, and she appears dissapointed, but she agrees to go my hotel. from the way things went at the hotel, i get the impression that she is certainly no virgin, but the barfine thing is new to her. she has no condom, so we have someone bring one to the room. as we start to have sex, she tells me it hurts and that i must stop or she will call the police. what the fuck! everything was a rather typical barfine experiance, and then all of a suddden that. i actually didn't even get my dick inside her. i immediately stopped and said she should just go home. she apologized, said that it just hurt, and wanted to continue. but obviously, this was way to weird (and potentially dangerous) so i said no. she tells me that she wants me to take her back to her bar. when we get there, she wants go inside and have a drink. she was all smiles around everyone in the bar, we had a drink, and then she wanted me and her mamasan to go to a private place and have a talk. i was getting stronger and stronger bad vibes from this girl, so i said no. she then wants continue to go barhopping. i said no. she then says that she wants to go back to my hotel and spend the night with me. i obviously say no to that as well. we say our goodbyes, and i go back to my hotel to get some rest (big mistake! when weird shit happens, get the fuck out of dodge). about an hour later, the phone rings and the receptionist asks me to come down. i find two police officers there, "inviting" me to come down to the police station.

i won't go into the long drawn out affair that went on at station 4 (the angeles police station), so i'll mention the key points. she said i raped her. she wanted a 100,000 pesos. the police were definately not part of this and i got the impression they were on my side (i have dealt with crooked police and staight police in my 5 years out here, and these guys were "relatively" straight). the conversations would have been completely different had these guys just wanted to get money out of me. they told me that if she insisted, they would have to file a report, and to avoid that, it would just be easier to give her some money, but it was up to me. he asked me how much i could get right now, and i said about 22,000 from my atm. they said that she wants 30,000 (after various negotiations), and i said i'll try, but i may only be able to get 22,000. we go to my atm, i get the 22,000 from my atm. i tell the officer that i can't get 30,000, and he just says to talk to her directly to see if she will accept it. we get back, and she appears quite distraught (not sure what happened while i was gone), but her attitude had totally changed. i tell her that i only could get 22,000. she doesn't say a word and i give her the 22,000. we sign an agreement and thats that. while chatting to the policeman on the way back, he explains that at first she said that she was a virgin and i took her virginity, but later recanted under questionning. it also appears that under no circumstances would they have actually made an official report of this (due her lying). my agreement to pay her 30, 000 was apparently made before all the facts came out, but i had agreed, and the cops had no interest in saving me any money. but if i had pushed this, i could have gotten away without paying anything (which i suspected, but the 22, 000 was a relatively small amount to me, and i saw no need to take any chance over huge consequences with such a small amount.

so what really happened? here is my best bet. she was working as a virgin at the bar (pretending to be a "real" cherry girl), and she thought i had got my dick inside her, and that i would tell, and she would no longer be a cherry girl. also, she was upset that i was treating her like just a typical barfine, when it was her first barfine and she thought i would be her boyfriend. she tells everyone at the bar that i took her cherry and gave her nothing. she decides that this is an opportunity to get some money.

of course this could have been a well planned out scam from the beginning, but that is not the impression i got.

so, the point of this post is to get some feedback on the best way to handle this situation when i return to the bar tonight. i plan on seeing the manager and demanding that the bar give my back my 22,000. of course they will refuse. i will then say "that must mean you guys are in on this scam, and i will have to set up a meeting with harry the horse (a very well known local expat reporter on the barscene who is widely followed by all locals). he will certainly publish my story, which the bar will not like. i am quite sure that if agree to not follow though with anything and forget about the 22, 000, at least i will the girl fired and blacklisted from all the other bars.

any other ideas on how to handle this?

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here for more information.

law,

i think that you should post the bars name as well. as i for one certainly do not want to find myself in the same situation. i am glad to hear that everything wotked out for you, even though it cost 22, 000php. i think that if the bar owners mamasan/papasan hear your story at the very least they will fire the girl, i mean they can't want to put with shit like that. personally i think you post this on every ac forum you can find. imho.

[Key Master]

LAW,

Sorry to hear of this event. A few things come to my mind in regards to this crap. First off, in regards to getting them drunk, I try my best not to do that. I don't get off on it but it saves me potentially from something getting out of hand. I'm confused on what went on after you went back to her bar with her, on why you didn't talk to the mamasan or the manager on what transpired with her in your room. In regards to paying her off, well it's better than the alternative. Unless you are Filipino, you don't have any rights. It's something you have to take basically.

What to do? I would definitely go back and talk to the mamasan and the manager and if you can the owners. Make it clear that this is unacceptable and something needs to be done. If you can, show proof of what happened in regards to payment. I don't think they'd reimburse you, but who knows? Either way, I'd consider the payoff a lesson to be learned. I'd be sure to let them know if it isn't taken care of correctly by them, that the name of the bar and what transpired in your talks is going to be published.

If you have a photo of this woman, I think you should post it. No doubt about that. If you don't and she's still working, try getting someone else to take her picture and get it posted. It should be known. If for some reason, you don't get it back, it's kind of up to you on how to proceed. There are ways to get payback.

Personally for me after what happened and you left her. I would have checked out ASAP and moved on. Crazy or drunk I don't know, it just doesn't pay.

[Rocksoff]

At Club Aura (opposite Club Asia etc), girl name Ella, mamasan Odette. Ella is a tiny little thing with walleyes, waif-ish in a way that I liked. Mamasan assured longtime is OK, but after one shot back at the hotel the sob stories began. If anyone else is interested in this girl, be sure to tell her and the mamasan beforehand that you've heard she is a runner, and that you'll be spreading the word if she keeps it up. If someone prefers shorttime that's up to them, but agreeing to longtime in front of the mamasan and then pulling out is not on.

[Member #4698]

Any other ideas on how to handle this?

Yes.

1st - I want to say I think you handled the situation about as well as could be expected. The cops were of no help, in fact, I would say they aided the blackmail scheme by withholding pertinent information like the girl was lying the whole time and they knew it. Perhaps they are planning to extort some cash or something else from the girl at a later time.

2nd - be careful and proceed lightly. I would go to the bar and speak with the management. I would politely tell them what was done to you and calmly ask for your money back, the girl to be fired, and blacklisted in AC. I would point out to the management that if they don’t do everything in their powers to make this right, the story will leak out all over the internet and that would be very bad for business. I would tell them that you don't want this to happen because you like AC and their club. I would show them a copy of this forum with your report clearly highlighted so they know exactly what you are talking about.

3rd - If the bar does not make this right and apologize for this outrage, I would not make any more moves except to get out of town and maybe consider getting out of PI quickly. You were ripped off for $460. It sucks. It could have been worse! You will be able to safely return to AC only after this dies down.

[Acfreddie]

Bar Fine = 3000 peso's here. I could not bargin this down whatsover, I tried and tried but they wouldnt reduce the cost. I thought it was a bit much as this was my first barfine in Angeles but maybe it's the normal price ?

By far the P3000 barfine is found Vastly on fields ave and only at the DHG (doll house group bars, which are club asia, doll house, tropix, crystal palace, atlantis, pony tails). They have what they call spotlight dancers and those girls are P3,000 for their bar fines. With so many other bars and available girls at a more realistic price of between P1300 and P1500, there imo is no reason to pay P3000 for an AC girl in AC. The P3000 girls in the DHG bars are 95% of the time ready to make a deal with you during their non working hours. Just obtain their cell phone numbers and give them yours, wait a day usually they will txt you in less than 6 hours, then make your arrangements through txt.

While on the topic of pricing for bars in AC. Check out the website of www.acbarprices.com. I came across this pricing website months ago. Its regularly updated and has lists and lists of all things related to AC pricing, scams of ac and the bars that are ripping off customers or taking advantage of the tourists.

[Fiend Devil]

Took home Michelle from Club Asia recently. I think she's the best Club Asia has got to offer. A very strange bar imho, not the type of place I'd go back to as full of average average girls. A few nice ones, alot of korean guys about this bar blowing cash.

Bar Fine = 3000 peso's here. I could not bargin this down whatsover, I tried and tried but they wouldnt reduce the cost. I thought it was a bit much as this was my first barfine in Angeles but maybe it's the normal price ?

For one lady drink of 150 peso's Michelle was grinding me for like an hour like crazy. I nearly bursted a blood vessel in my dick so many times when she was ontop of me grinding. She was trying her best to get me off right there in the bar. Totally a sex maniac.

She was telling me she had a swedish boyfriend who brought her to sweden for 6 months but she got rid of him as he couldn't satisfy her sexual desires !!!

Anyways, got back to the Lewis Grand and she was incredible. A really really horny girl who knows what she likes.

[Hesekiels]

Damn right its true LAW has been a member of this forum since 02' he has no reason to lie.

no offense! I just wanted to make sure that it is not another "sociological experiment"! However, in order to prevent other mates from such an unpleasant experience it might be useful to disclose the name of the bar and the girl! What do you think LAW?

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[Warbucks]

LAW:

is this really a true story?

Damn right its true LAW has been a member of this forum since 02' he has no reason to lie.

Well, Friday night I finally got scammed in Angeles. I've probably had well over a hundred barfines in AC, but eventually, the odds catch up with you. Anyway, I'll give a quick overview of what happened and then I want some advice on how to handle the bar when I return tonight. I won't mention the bar at this point for a couple of reasons, but I'll just say it is one of the largest and well known in AC.


Of course this could have been a well planned out scam from the beginning, but that is not the impression I got.

So, the point of this post is to get some feedback on the best way to handle this situation when I return to the bar tonight. I plan on seeing the manager and demanding that the bar give my back my 22,000. Of course they will refuse. I will then say "that must mean you guys are in on this scam, and I will have to set up a meeting with Harry the horse (a very well known local expat reporter on the barscene who is widely followed by all locals). He will certainly publish my story, which the bar will not like. I am quite sure that if agree to not follow though with anything and forget about the 22, 000, at least I will the girl fired and blacklisted from all the other bars.

Any other ideas on how to handle this?

LAW man out this bar and girl man. Don't let them get away with this shit. First (good idea) try to get your money back if they refuse out this bar and the girl on every mongering/PI orientated site you know. I belong this forum another I will definitely spread the word. That shit was foul. If I was you I would be passing out fuck this bar/bar-girl T-Shirts by now....

[Hesekiels]

well, friday night i finally got scammed in angeles. i've probably had well over a hundred barfines in ac, but eventually, the odds catch up with you. anyway, i'll give a quick overview of what happened and ...
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here for more information.

law:

is this really a true story? if yes, then i am speechless! and honestly spoken i have not the slightest idea why a bargirl should behave in a way like that! she got her money from a customer (barfine, drinks), hence there is absolutely no reason to come up with such a bullshit! strange!!!

cheers!


hesekiels

[LoveAsianWhores]

well, friday night i finally got scammed in angeles. i've probably had well over a hundred barfines in ac, but eventually, the odds catch up with you. anyway, i'll give a quick overview of what happened and then i want some advice on how to handle the bar when i return tonight. i won't mention the bar at this point for a couple of reasons, but i'll just say it is one of the largest and well known in ac.

so, i'm walking past the bar friday night and see a cute doorgirl. i talk to her for a minute and then ask her inside for a drink. she tells me that she is a waitress (just talking to the doorgirls outsite and they wear the same uniform) and has been there for a year, but never had a barfine. she seems like a very nice girl. i figure she might be a cherry girl, but she never mentions it, and i don't care because i like working on cherry girls as i go to ac just about every week and they make good girlfriends if you find a nice one.

she is very eagar to barfine with me, so we go. from her interaction with all the other girls there, it really did apper that i was her first barfine. it is possible that all the other bargirls were just playing along, but i would think that is unlikely (but who knows).

so we go to crystal palace to hang around for a while. she gets quite drunk, and i get the impression that she is not some simple virgin bargirl, but i also get the impression that she likes me. some girls are quite indifferent to me, and some girls really like me (like girls everywhere), but i was quite sure that she liked me. anyway, after about an hour or so, we head back to my hotel. she tells me that she does not want to go to my hotel, but wants to go to my house in subic. i explain to her that is not going to happen, and she appears dissapointed, but she agrees to go my hotel. from the way things went at the hotel, i get the impression that she is certainly no virgin, but the barfine thing is new to her. she has no condom, so we have someone bring one to the room. as we start to have sex, she tells me it hurts and that i must stop or she will call the police. what the fuck! everything was a rather typical barfine experiance, and then all of a suddden that. i actually didn't even get my dick inside her. i immediately stopped and said she should just go home. she apologized, said that it just hurt, and wanted to continue. but obviously, this was way to weird (and potentially dangerous) so i said no. she tells me that she wants me to take her back to her bar. when we get there, she wants go inside and have a drink. she was all smiles around everyone in the bar, we had a drink, and then she wanted me and her mamasan to go to a private place and have a talk. i was getting stronger and stronger bad vibes from this girl, so i said no. she then wants continue to go barhopping. i said no. she then says that she wants to go back to my hotel and spend the night with me. i obviously say no to that as well. we say our goodbyes, and i go back to my hotel to get some rest (big mistake! when weird shit happens, get the fuck out of dodge). about an hour later, the phone rings and the receptionist asks me to come down. i find two police officers there, "inviting" me to come down to the police station.

i won't go into the long drawn out affair that went on at station 4 (the angeles police station), so i'll mention the key points. she said i raped her. she wanted a 100,000 pesos. the police were definately not part of this and i got the impression they were on my side (i have dealt with crooked police and staight police in my 5 years out here, and these guys were "relatively" straight). the conversations would have been completely different had these guys just wanted to get money out of me. they told me that if she insisted, they would have to file a report, and to avoid that, it would just be easier to give her some money, but it was up to me. he asked me how much i could get right now, and i said about 22,000 from my atm. they said that she wants 30,000 (after various negotiations), and i said i'll try, but i may only be able to get 22,000. we go to my atm, i get the 22,000 from my atm. i tell the officer that i can't get 30,000, and he just says to talk to her directly to see if she will accept it. we get back, and she appears quite distraught (not sure what happened while i was gone), but her attitude had totally changed. i tell her that i only could get 22,000. she doesn't say a word and i give her the 22,000. we sign an agreement and thats that. while chatting to the policeman on the way back, he explains that at first she said that she was a virgin and i took her virginity, but later recanted under questionning. it also appears that under no circumstances would they have actually made an official report of this (due her lying). my agreement to pay her 30, 000 was apparently made before all the facts came out, but i had agreed, and the cops had no interest in saving me any money. but if i had pushed this, i could have gotten away without paying anything (which i suspected, but the 22, 000 was a relatively small amount to me, and i saw no need to take any chance over huge consequences with such a small amount.

so what really happened? here is my best bet. she was working as a virgin at the bar (pretending to be a "real" cherry girl), and she thought i had got my dick inside her, and that i would tell, and she would no longer be a cherry girl. also, she was upset that i was treating her like just a typical barfine, when it was her first barfine and she thought i would be her boyfriend. she tells everyone at the bar that i took her cherry and gave her nothing. she decides that this is an opportunity to get some money.

of course this could have been a well planned out scam from the beginning, but that is not the impression i got.

so, the point of this post is to get some feedback on the best way to handle this situation when i return to the bar tonight. i plan on seeing the manager and demanding that the bar give my back my 22,000. of course they will refuse. i will then say "that must mean you guys are in on this scam, and i will have to set up a meeting with harry the horse (a very well known local expat reporter on the barscene who is widely followed by all locals). he will certainly publish my story, which the bar will not like. i am quite sure that if agree to not follow though with anything and forget about the 22, 000, at least i will the girl fired and blacklisted from all the other bars.

any other ideas on how to handle this?

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here for more information.

[World Guy Sh]

I have been RTFF and searching for something akin to the beginners guides that have ben created in some other forums. Does a good up to date one exist so I don't go asking daft questions on paying, good bars, bad bars etc etc. Expecting it to be different from Manila (which I know well). My impression is that payment is made in the bar and then you tip the girl from 1PHP upwards.

Anyway, links or other to such would be most useful to ensure no stupid over payments / scams / knowing where the best girls for threesomes are found etc (ha ha). And hopefully reduce annoying qustions.

Serached Beginners, Guide, Starter and through the the ROD.

Cheers,

WGS

[Genghois]

I barfined a girl at DollHouse that was defined as "model", "dancer" or something like that, anyway, the cost was much higher than the other girls.

She turned out to be one of the best girls I ever had in AC, extremely nice, extremely shy and extremely willing to fulfil my wishes....
I think I stayed with her first a bit less than a week, then a pause and then a few days again. I had some contact after coming home and on a later trip I met her again – but we are still not married :).

In my opinion, there is no correlation between price and performance; you have to “feel” if the girl is right or not, it is not a matter of high or low price. I don’t have sex with ugly girls or girls with bad attitude in my home town – regardless if it is free or have a cost… Why be different when going to AC?

The girl mentioned was on my scale extremely good looking, having a model face and nice body. As it is in my opinion far between really beautiful girls in AC I didn’t hesitate to pay a little bit extra. Yes, the price was a few times more than other girls, but I rather sleep alone than sleep with a girl that is in my view unattractive (the extra cost for her was the equivalence of a few beers in my home country – it was an easy decision...)

Completely agree with you, Lucky (though I can't ever imagine staying with an AC girl for a week!) Some guys consider the show-girls/models a rip-off, and depending on your budget, I can't say I disagree. But it all comes down to the chemistry and attraction between the two of you. If she's the girl you want, and all of the signs are good, and the wallet is not in disagreement, go for it.

I've bf'd one show-girl on each of my past two visits, and they were both great ladies. Doesn't mean they were, because of their status/price, inherently better than the regular girls. And I certainly didn't go into the club with the intention of bf'ing a show-girl. They were just girls that I hit it off with, and it went from there.

There's no lack of great experiences to be had, regardless of price level. I just let it roll. Whoever I hit it off with, that's my direction for the night!