Taipei

[James Chang 313]

Hi everyone,

I agree the fishbowls of Thailand and China are much easier, but I really do find Taiwan girls to have better facial structure and thinner bodies. Of girls all over the world, I think taiwan girls are the prettiest. That's why I'm trying to figure out the most efficient way to hobby here. (Does anyone know if they have a *** type site for taiwan)?

Bad news: I checked the Taipei Times and China Post for the last 4 days. There are no more ads for outcalls, and only a few ads for incall massage. I think there must be a policy shift recently that they are no longer allowed to advertise for outcall massages in newspapers. This means that we will have to get outcall numbers by word of mouth. The good news is that I discovered how outcalls work and how to best utilize them.

I've concluded that outcalls are the best bet in Taipei, compared to bathhouses, high end KTV, massage parlor etc. The reason is because it is much more discrete, allowing many girls who are 18-24 to do it without any of their friends knowing. Many of them plainly don't want to be seen working at KTV and the schedule is much more flexible for them at outcall. This means you can get a much hotter girl, for a lot less money. I agree that the KTV girls are pretty too, but you need to invest so much time, money, drinking, and interface with so many people, most of whom are ripping you off.

I have talked to a lot of the girls and found out that this is how it works: Most of the girls are students or working jobs, but live with parents. Because of this, 2pm – 8pm is the best time to call an outcall. The way the system in TPE works is that the girls are all independents. The usually work for 1-3 managers who will call them and tell them where the client is. These managers are typically NOT the people to deal with the clients. Those are usually Miss Ma, Yuki types (we'll call them 'Aunts') who coordinate between customers and the managers. The price can range from 3k-10k depending MORE on your negotiating ability than the quality of the girl. Its much better to try to get the phone of the managers directly because they are the people who have actually seen the girls, so you can explain what you want to them. I'm sure some of you have realized that using outcalls in TPE seems like they send random girls to you. This is because most of the 'aunts' have never seen any of the girls. In TPE, the girls keep half the money, the managers/aunts keep half. (raw deal.) A good way to test to see if you deal with a manager or aunt, is to ask your girl the name of her contact person. If its not the same name as the person you call, then you are not dealing with someone who sees the girls, and there is more chance you will not get what you want. (more middlemen= higher costs too.)

Outcalls in TPE differ than some other countries in that: 1) you get to reject the girls, and they will send you a new one, as many times as you want, no hard feelings. (I usually tip the girls I send back and give them an excuse such as 'u look too much like my sister. ') 2) there's no massage. 3) they generally pop you once and leave, regardless of time. They rarely give 2 pops.

I generally offer to pay 6k right away and tell them to send the hottest girl. I usually give an age and weight to narrow the range of girls they can send. Also, I usually reject the first one unless she is very hot. If you find a girl you like, you can ask her for her personal number and promise to not tell her manager and call her directly in the future. If the girl is very comfortable, ask her for the numbers to her managers. Managers typically change their numbers every 2 months, so the more you have, the less chance you will be left without a connection. I leave my email too, so they can email me of phone changes when I am not in tpe.

For outcalls, I spend on average 6k for girls 20-24 years old, probably 8. 5 overall looks. (setting 5. 0 as average.) At shining star and KTV, I end up spending 20k for the same quality girl, and its always a hassle haggling, binge drinking etc. (I'm in my 30's so binge drinking = feel shitty all day tomorrow.)

Lastly, I realize now that some hotels cater to outcalls. Waikoloa Hotels have nice interiors, and are very discrete. You tell the counter 'xio xi' meaning 'rest' and they give you a key with a room number. It costs $800 to have the room for 2 hours, and you pay cash when you leave. They don't ask for ID. Heck, they don't even ask you your name. Free water, condoms, internet, towels, toiletries etc. I stayed at the Waikoloa (there are 5 hotels) overnight and watched the lobby. HOT girls going straight to the elevator every 3 minutes. I have yet to devise a way to approach them and get their numbers but I am trying to get the courage. Finding a way to do this would mean I could wait in the Waikoloa lobby, and discretely approach the girls I find attractive enough. (almost as good as fishbowls.) Too bad I'm chicken.

Anyone else have any avenues I am unaware of? Fishbowls (aquariums) in tpe would be great, but I have still not heard that they exist. Has anyone seen one there?

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[Hiro Nakamura]

Hi everyone,

This is my first of several reports.

First of all, I’m from Taipei, but have spent most of my life in the West. I was transferred back to Taipei this July. I look Taiwanese and speak mandarin fluently.

I’ve been a reader of this forum since July, however recent talks of shining star and the lack of activity in this thread has really encouraged me to post my experiences. (Before I get to shining star, let me start off with some general reports)

After checking out the forum in July the first place I decided to go was Caesars. Because it seemed like a safe bet as Taipei has changed way too much since the last time I was here.

It’s exactly like how everyone’s described it in the forum. Get in, take off your shoes, (one of the times they charged me 100 NTD for shining my shoes, I didn’t really want to complain knowing it was mafia run), shower, go to the rest area, act cool and the mamasan will approach you.

I’ve been there many times since July so I’ll just do a brief summary:

The only girl worth mentioning is No.67, a 7 in my opinion; she’s very GFE, kissing and everything as well as BBBJs. I even got her number after the second time but never called her or visited her after that.

Other worth picking are No.23 and 27; both have nice attitudes and provide good service, which at 4200NTD in Taipei, is good enough for me.

One time I went at like 1am, finished at about 2, the girl told me I can sleep in the room until morning, but man, the whole night I keep hearing these moans coming from all the surrounding rooms. (I have to give praise to fellow mongers as I never get any girl to moan so loud) So after about 3.5 hours of listening to all this moaning I was like screw this, went out and told them I wanted another girl. Should’ve seen their faces; anyway in the end the whole night wasn’t that much fun since I got no sleep, tired myself out, and had to work the next day.

Oh there’s this other time on a Friday night, they told me the cops will come and I had to wait until 2 for the specials, so I had a normal massage, during which cops showed up! It was pretty intense man. But everything was cool after I told them my Taiwan ID number. (Good thing I had it memorized). Afterwards the mamasan told me they are looking for criminals and they usually come on Friday nights. (Needless to say, never went on Fridays after that).

Apologies on the long report on the familiar Caesars, but I do like this place.
I will focus on other places after this.

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[Ragnarok42]

I'm planning to live in Taipei for 6 months next year so i will keep you all posted with all the new information I have. (I basically don't need to work and consider mongering my hobby.)

damn ain't that a great way to spend 6 months.

hope you have a great time here. I have had a steady provider for the last 3 years and she gives me pretty good quality. I have heard from her of extortion schemes recently (see some of my previous posts) so do be careful out there. The law is very lenient towards brothers here so many schemes either focus on public humiliation or violence.

Have fun playing and be safe everyone.

[E Z Rhino]

Hi guys, I'm in Taipei now and renewing my research here. Its been a few months since the last time I was here.

I think the Taipei Times still has the usual ads. I'll check. Except, IIRC on Sunday they run fewer escort ads. Maybe out of respect for the church ads. Good luck and, suggest you review the last few months of posts. Not much new here. The MOI seems to be moving along its plan to legalize our hobby (search the Taipei Times website for 'prostitution') but when this will actually result in more skanky on my hang-down is anyone's guess.

[James Chang 313]

Hi guys, I'm in Taipei now and renewing my research here. Its been a few months since the last time I was here.

High end KTV. The girls are hot, and you do get to choose, but its not cost effective. Expect to spend $700US if you want to take them home. What's worse, you can cycle through many girls and not find one you like if you are really picky, and you can end up spending $350US for the nite, and NOT take anyone back.

Outcall - Miss Ma, Yuki. I think these are the best bet for the time and money spent. I found the best strategy is to just tell them you will pay the maximum $6k and tell her to send the hottest girl. Also, give an age and weight range, and that way its hard for them to send someone you don't want. I reject the first couple girls and they will get the idea of what quality you want.

Shining Star - I realized that this place usually offers a legit massage. However, some of the girls will do special services if they like you. Not all do it so dont assume they will. I already went thru 4 girls and was lucky to find 2 cute ones that WILL do it outside the place. they will charge $1400x3 hours, plus whatever they want for the special service. negotiate ahead of time over the phone or else you will get ripped off if you try to negotiate when they arrive. Mine charged me 10k extra but she was pretty hot, 8.5. Overall, I don't think its a good idea to get a 90 minute massage hoping a girl will offer special services. However, if you do go for a massage, its pretty obvious if your girl will do it. Generally, if they give a good massage, they are serious about massaging. If they are working hard to sell you a massage at your hotel, they probably will go out and provide some special services. Sunday is the best day to try to find special services because its harder for them to make their quotas on Sunday.

Also, I noticed that Yuki and other outcalls are no longer advertising on the classified section of Taipei Times and other papers. There are onjly incall numbers now. I found that strange. Does anyone have Yuki's number? I lost it.

I'm planning to live in Taipei for 6 months next year so i will keep you all posted with all the new information I have. (I basically don't need to work and consider mongering my hobby.)

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[Hammer_G]

Dated a 5'7" tall, face 8 body 9, white skin (and smooth) color, mid 20s girl named Candy at KeeLung's "railroad streets" several weeks ago. Great legs/ass curve like Westerner chicks; however, only B cup boobs.
She probably wouldn't do BBBJ but no harm to ask. I was surprised she said OK without a doubt. Her looks made me very horny. Great BJ and pump for just NT1,000. Too bad she wouldn't give me her cell #.
I knew she was too good for 1K. I went back a few days later. The pimp told me she wouldn't be there for a few weeks. I went back another day and the Mamasan told me she went to China and won't be back for several months. Mamasan asked me to date someone else. I was not interested...
Just like what I expected. The good quality usually won't stay at low-cost market for long but still fun to check it out occasionally. And I am going tonight....

[Paradise Bay]

NO doubt it is cheaper in China, sometimes including the flight and hotel, but getting the time to go with a legitimate excuse can be challenging to those with girlfriend or wife. It actually takes the better part of a day to get there. Leave for airport 2 hours before flight, 2 hour flight, 1 hour immigration/customs. Same for return trip. So depending on flight times going for the weekend really is 2 half-days of travel and 8000NT of non-mongoring costs. So sometimes it is convenient to pay 5k and be back in bed the same night.

You hit it right on the money. For some of us a China trip even once every two or three months elicits suspicion, and out of the question especially if China has nothing to do with your work. So for those of you that have the means and the freedom, you will continue to enjoy at least my envy.

[Tabasco72]

Roni, thanks for your understanding too. I'm overreacted sometimes.

[Roni44]

The lowest I heard so far is 2500 for 90 mins, which includes 10 beers and 1 CBJ.

Well, from what I know, the price is dropping and at all time low, however to get that price you really need to have good connection. If you have, pls do share to the forum. Cheers

[TouringAsia]

T As I'm checking into few KTV in Linsen with a insider, from what I've heard the price has gone down to 1600/hr + HJ or even lower.

The lowest I heard so far is 2500 for 90 mins, which includes 10 beers and 1 CBJ.

[Roni44]

Dear Roni, I'm so sorry for your feeling. I didn't call you racist but wrote that you sound like. We pay for sex but it's not a reason to treat the WG without respect. Origin of the girls is not their fault. I understand your feeling about the accent; however, is not more important what girl says than how girl says?
I wish you only happy hunting and beautiful (not only body but also accent) girls

Tabasco, thank you for your understanding, regardless of origin and color, I treat every WG with the most respect. And I do not blame them for their accents or other shortcoming, as no one is perfect. I truely enjoy china gals most of time even the accent is in the factor, again, it's just a personnal preference. As I'm checking into few KTV in Linsen with a insider, from what I've heard the price has gone down to 1600/hr + HJ or even lower. Once I have a good confirmation, I'll organize a KTV party for everyone on the forum and it would be a great way to meet some of the members. Cheers

[Tabasco72]

Dear Roni, I'm so sorry for your feeling. I didn't call you racist but wrote that you sound like. We pay for sex but it's not a reason to treat the WG without respect. Origin of the girls is not their fault. I understand your feeling about the accent; however, is not more important what girl says than how girl says?
I wish you only happy hunting and beautiful (not only body but also accent) girls

[Roni44]

NO doubt it is cheaper in China, sometimes including the flight and hotel, but getting the time to go with a legitimate excuse can be challenging to those with girlfriend or wife. It actually takes the better part of a day to get there. Leave for airport 2 hours before flight, 2 hour flight, 1 hour immigration/customs. Same for return trip. So depending on flight times going for the weekend really is 2 half-days of travel and 8000NT of non-mongoring costs. So sometimes it is convenient to pay 5k and be back in bed the same night.

Jammin 2: thank you for interpret my thoughts, You've nailed my last visit to China 12/3~12/6. My buddies and I took off to airport 4 in the afternoon, got to Hk around 9:30pm, got on the bus, took the train, and checked in hotel in Luohu at midnight. Did a freebie, then next morning took care of business and rest of time is for p4p. Again, did the whole route back to Taiwan on Sunday. while my buddies and I had great time, but also we were tired by the end of the trip. The entire trip include airfare, hotels, food, and mongering cost about 15000NT. My buddies and I are planning on doing a China trip once every 2~3 month, but anything closer than that, I'll have hard time convincing my girl why I go there so much. Anyone interesting in doing such trip, please let me know and we can figure something out. As I've been mongering in Shenzhen 3 times now, there are so many places remain to be discover, and recently be friend with a DJ over QQ, so though her connection, I hope she can provide some goodies for us.

[Roni44]

Roni, I'm pretty sure if you move to other country and you use local language then your accent will kill many people.
You sound like fucking racist.

Tabasco72, First I would like to apologize if I do sound like a "fucking racist" to you. Second, before you calling me a "fucking racist", please get to know me by let's say over a beer or KTV parties with bunch of forum members. I don't need to defend myself since our encounter only on the forum, but I can assure you I love all chicks and fucking them all whether she is black, latino, asian, or white. The accents I was indicating was simply a personally preference, and also many of my fellow Taiwanese monger's experience. My friends and I share many conversation over the gals between Taiwan and China, often we do get turn off by some of the accents by China gals. Does that mean I hate them, I don't think so. So please next time you decide to call me a racist, get to know me first. Ask around your Taiwanese friends regarding to the accents I speak of china gals, and ask them who would they prefer. I can assure you the answer will be in my favor. And I do have some chinese accent often when I speak English, and it's ok to laugh all you want, it doesn't bother me. Again, please accept my deepest apology as I'm here to make friends and share my experiences, I will word my thoughts clearly and carefully from now on to ensure no misunderstanding will occur in the future. Cheers

[Jammin 2]

Possible Passport/Visa issues aside, what's holding you back? The cost? Round trip to China can be had for 6000 NT. A so-so hotel can be had for 1000NT a night. You can almost spend a weekend in China for the price of 1 trip to the Sauna. Once you're there, FS is SO much cheaper there. Just save up a bit and get a whole bunch of girls in 1 weekend.

I mean, I'm not saying you should always pack your mongering into 1 weekend like that, all of us need to space out our need to release sometimes. But all the people here who do the sauna thing every week, or have a multi-times-a-week SC habit, I find it hard to believe they can't save up a little bit to spend a weekend in China once in a while.

Variety is the spice of life. I'm new to this forum because this is my first experience mongering in Asia. I live in the USA so most of my mongering experience is there. And honestly, as relatively cheap (even when taking into account the difference in income) as sex is in Asia, I envy you guys who live here.

NO doubt it is cheaper in China, sometimes including the flight and hotel, but getting the time to go with a legitimate excuse can be challenging to those with girlfriend or wife. It actually takes the better part of a day to get there. Leave for airport 2 hours before flight, 2 hour flight, 1 hour immigration/customs. Same for return trip. So depending on flight times going for the weekend really is 2 half-days of travel and 8000NT of non-mongoring costs. So sometimes it is convenient to pay 5k and be back in bed the same night.