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02-20-10 03:10 #3278
Posts: 391Originally Posted by Laylow3
I know you can get corn there, but I don't know if anyone grows field corn which you should feed to cattle. Maybe you could commission it to be grown for your ranch. You may have lots of "leakage" at night, so keep the steers up in a barn. And if you are doing that, then why not go the whole-hog Kobe beef thing. Keep the steers confined and feed them beer and such. You could get cheap labor to clean out the barns, and you can sell the manure.
But to be sustainable, you will need a yearly supply of yearlings, so you will need cows and at least one bull.
I know Delmonte imported some cattle to Bukidnon in an experiment to see if the cows would help eat up the normal waste from pineapple harvesting. I don't think they are happy with the result, maybe they will sell you some. They have horses to punch the cows also.
If you are going to have cows and calves, you will need something like grassland.
Heck the King ranch is in Hawaii, if they can do it there, why not the PI? (except its a lot cooler in Hawaii)
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02-19-10 21:26 #3277
Posts: 234Good luck
Well, good luck laylow. At least its nice to see your story is changing somewhat as to your goals as others have given input. I think the bottom line is you are a ways away. And I dont know about the whole wife and kid thing. American women are far less forgiving, and the possibility of this backfiring and becoming very expensive, especially if she has family in the PI, is very high. As others have said, there are no secrets in the Phils. I hope you get what Im saying...
I would also suggest you spend some time in the residency/visa thread to get some wisom there.
Good luck~
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02-19-10 12:21 #3276
Posts: 3282Originally Posted by Laylow3
It is not unheard of for foreigners to invest money and earn a living in PHI if they are married to a local. Once again the age old question is are you going to be fleeced? Can you trust a local girl? Do you have enough protection from the corrupt system? What I heard is kidnapping for ransom is a real threat all over PHI.
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02-19-10 12:03 #3275
Posts: 4051Farmers' Associations
Originally Posted by Laylow3
GE
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02-19-10 10:46 #3274
Posts: 100Originally Posted by Tansak KTV
aide organizations promoting village farmers. that's a good idea! I'm googling that now but any top notch ones off the topic of your head? Keep the options coming! excellent!
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02-19-10 09:51 #3273
Posts: 1677Originally Posted by Laylow3
You mention speak to a local farmer... which makes me think do you even speak the local dialects? If you are serious get into language classes ASAP if you are moving to a different country. Also you seem to say you know about farming... one thing to do is to work for an aide organization that works to promote / help village farmers while you are setting up your operation.
Too many options to think about...
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02-19-10 09:27 #3272
Posts: 100Originally Posted by Tansak KTV
yeah things will probably change in a couple of years but no need to fret over the inevitable unknown, right? :)
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02-19-10 09:09 #3271
Posts: 1677Originally Posted by Laylow3
You asked the questions not us. I for one, my negativity is that you have not put your toe into the water to test the temperature but you seem ready to jump in head first. You got kids and a wife. It's a great dream just have your "out" ready and be ready to use it, don't be stupid and risk everything.
Now you say you are years away from doing this? By then a totally different government could be in control, different laws, a different country could be a better option or change or whatever. So basically now this is just your dream in a couple years down the road.... back to fantasy land.... GROAN....
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02-19-10 06:51 #3270
Posts: 100Originally Posted by Tansak KTV
I must also add that having a farm in the Philippines should also be much cheaper than having a farm here in the USA. The cost of a purchasing a horse, pigs, farm animals is much cheaper there than here by far. I get the feeling that a pessimistic air is circulating unnecessarily. Let's say I just screw it and just get "cheap" land here in the USA in a place like Alabama or Mississippi. Is the danger associated with the "fearsome" tribes that were mentioned here earlier by someone really that different than than the racist rednecks in the backwoods of those southern states? Will the law be on my side since I'm not Caucasian? There will be danger wherever I go. I am glad to get some great advice here but I see it (my plans) as totally possible. I just found out that my wife CAN apply to obtain dual citizenship which she is going to apply for soon. So, I just need to find the cheap land in a decent area. I'm sure it's there. Everything else is general and can be said about almost any place. no matter where I go there will always be something bad that one can ***** about but it all boils down to is it worth it. I myself have to make it work. no-one ever got anything worthwhile by taking the easy route. but I will take your advice and #1. be extremely careful with the mongering #2. make sure we have a couple of thousand dollars saved up after we pay for the house/animals and the land #3. have my wife get her dual citizenship. Thanks guys!
I could be wrong but living in Luzon and mongering in the Visayas shouldn't be a problem. but I could be wrong. but even if I banged just one girl every month or 2 months then that would still be better than being here in the USA. or you guys could just be trying to discourage me from settling there to save all the sexy bar girls for yourselves. Not going to work, I will be there soon after only in a couple of years. haha. :)
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02-19-10 02:43 #3269
Posts: 1677Originally Posted by Laylow3
You're looking for a CHEAP place to do your plan and monger... any place will be a 3rd or 4th world country for that amount (and no matter what that amount is not sufficient IMHO) and there are their own unwritten rules and laws in those countries. I'm from a 4th world country and any outsider coming in faces a difficult up hill battle even if our Foreign Investment laws look attractive. What is in paper is not the real story. And if the foreigner is found to hurt or cheat on a local wife, hurt cheat a local person, not pay off or honor or respect the right people, there are serious repercussions. And I would laugh at any foreigner who came here with 70 K as he will be broke in a moment.
For example I can go without paying my taxes for 10 years without penalty but if you do not bow below the eye sight of a higher up or show disrespect to a leader you could find your home broken into and destroyed. Do NOT pick up and move to a country that you hear about or read about and expect it to be heaven. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. You can spend 70 K just travelling to find the right country let alone the right province and such.
For 70 K, living off land, moving to a foreign land, screwing hot girls, while having a family... look for fantasy land... If it is as easy as you make it sound to be then everyone would be doing what you propose. And having your wife stay at home and work to support your mongering in her national country... hahahahahaha that's funny... good luck....
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02-19-10 01:37 #3268
Posts: 100Originally Posted by Warbucks
Please suggest other places/countries where you all think my plan would work out great. Not just Asia but any SAFE country in the world. I am very open to suggestions/help please. If not P.I. then what places do you all think it would work? I was looking at safe countries in Africa for starters...
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02-18-10 14:37 #3267
Posts: 143Just my 2 cents
IMHO, I won't invest on a property that I can not own.
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02-18-10 08:59 #3266
Posts: 100Originally Posted by Finrod
Originally Posted by GoodEnough
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02-18-10 08:59 #3265
Posts: 1342Hell Bent
Laylow3,
You seem hell bent on living in PI as a young guy.
Also, I have to ask you "why"?
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02-18-10 08:43 #3264
Posts: 100@Ratzo & Finrod - Regarding fucking the girls in my area. I guess I should have been more detailed somewhat. I didn’t mean I’d be having sex with girls in my own area where I live but rather banging bargirls in the P.I. in general. You see, my idea is this. As long as I’m in the P.I. getting to where I can bang bar girls or even regular girls is much easier than it is from here. Even if I’m in some province in the boonies, hoping on a Cebu pacific flight to AC or wherever is about $20-30 bucks so nothing really. That’s not much. Hell, I could do a weekly or monthly sex trip for a couple of days to keep me grounded and focused.
On top of that, I do know retired military who live there and also I know the relatives of my wife and the relatives of my close filipino friends here. And I have visited the P.I. before. I posted my reports of it here on the forum right after the trip. :)
@GoodEnough - yeah the legal system issue is one I’d probably have wherever I go overseas so nothing I can do about that.
@Robbaf - hmm, I’ll have to check on that one. I thought she could own land there. You see, she was born here in the USA only. Almost immediately after her birth, she was raised in the Philippines until she was 18 afterwhich she returned to the USA. So, I think she CAN own land but I’ll check to be sure since I’m not 100% certain.
@Blackangst - I think there are places that have cheap farmland but I just have to find them. (at least I’m hoping so)
keep the good advice flowing. I’m taking notes and talking to my local filipino friends here where I live about the advice I read here.
I do feel I kinda get what the deal is generally now. Basically I'll need a bit more than $70K. If, in fact, my wife can own land then all I need to do is find cheap land and I'm set. Other than that, I'll need some kind of monthly income coming in even if it is small as long as it is something. To remedy this, #1. I could stay in the military for 20 years and use my pension there OR #2. move to the P.I., establish the farm, and let my wife continue to work here in the USA while I take care of the kids and the farm (my wife is a pediatric MD if you're curious) or #3. as a last option I could just let my mother finance the whole thing only if I get into trouble financially. My parents financially are extremely stable. so in short:
1. find a way to buy the land and put a house on it
2. have a monthly income even if small
P.S. - I wonder how many of you guys have successful filipina wives not girlfriends that are taking care you...? i mean that seriously too. mine isn't taking care of me entirely but she sure does make waayy more than I do. I only ask this because I wonder does that fact change anything regarding the continual discussion of trusting one's filipina wife...?