FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[BackpackBrian]

A lot of girls don't do anal (but I always manage to find the ones who do haha). I would say the first upsell they will try is BBBJ. That's an easy one most girls do at the FKKs (if they didn't they would see their earnings tank). CIM is then an easy upsell from BBBJ, and I would say (depending on the region / club), you will find lots and lots of girls who will take CIM (although it was harder for me to get in the NRW). Next comes anal, which is the standard top premium priced upsell (I always have had expensive tastes), except for in the NRW region where it traditionally has been available for just 50 euros extra. But then again, once more I found it to be substantially harder to procure anal sex in the NRW versus other regions of Germany.

I did not mention kissing. I have no experience with this upsell because it's one I refuse to pay for. I never bring it up with a tute and have never discussed paying for kissing with a tute. That said, I have DFKed (and swapped saliva) with many, many. It's just that it's always been something that happened spontaneously between us, and that's the way I intend to keep it..

Hi Cane,

I'm just curious to know how you negotiate for BBBJ?

What's your tactic, style, strategy, etc?

And how much are you paying for basic service? 50 E for 30 min or 100 E for 60 min?

I'm a 30/ min for 50 E guy and I try and negotiate BBBJ included in the price, now that the 2017 law has screwed up the pricing.

Sometimes I get it included for 50 E and I don't ask before hand I just get it and sometimes I negotiate before the room for around 70 E.

I've only a few times gone to 100, but that's very rare and if I remember correctly I received other services on top of basic.

[The Cane]

I think maybe they want anal first to save that because the second time lasts longer. After that CIM is the next upsell. I don't know. Someone else surely knows better than me that does it all the time. Maybe CIM is the next best upsell if anal fails. They probably have it figured out. It is probably a matter of doubling or tripling the money for someone capable of doing it.

A lot of girls don't do anal (but I always manage to find the ones who do haha). I would say the first upsell they will try is BBBJ. That's an easy one most girls do at the FKKs (if they didn't they would see their earnings tank). CIM is then an easy upsell from BBBJ, and I would say (depending on the region / club), you will find lots and lots of girls who will take CIM (although it was harder for me to get in the NRW). Next comes anal, which is the standard top premium priced upsell (I always have had expensive tastes), except for in the NRW region where it traditionally has been available for just 50 euros extra. But then again, once more I found it to be substantially harder to procure anal sex in the NRW versus other regions of Germany.

I did not mention kissing. I have no experience with this upsell because it's one I refuse to pay for. I never bring it up with a tute and have never discussed paying for kissing with a tute. That said, I have DFKed (and swapped saliva) with many, many. It's just that it's always been something that happened spontaneously between us, and that's the way I intend to keep it. So much more satisfying! And then there are the "one offs". Things I ordinarily would not pay extra for, but for some reason or another I just had to have it during a particular session. She wants to charge me more for it. And I got to have it! So I paid up. Very rare that ever happens with me, but I admit that it has.

[Sirioja]

I think maybe they want anal first to save that because the second time lasts longer. After that CIM is the next upsell. I don't know. Someone else surely knows better than me that does it all the time. Maybe CIM is the next best upsell if anal fails. They probably have it figured out. It is probably a matter of doubling or tripling the money for someone capable of doing it.

No girl never proposed me anal at Sharks and not even at Globe for extra 200. Too big will kill my ass.

[BobNSuzy]

The girls may have wanted CIM not to save their vaginas but because CIM is more money.

I think maybe they want anal first to save that because the second time lasts longer. After that CIM is the next upsell. I don't know. Someone else surely knows better than me that does it all the time. Maybe CIM is the next best upsell if anal fails. They probably have it figured out. It is probably a matter of doubling or tripling the money for someone capable of doing it.

[Sirioja]

The girls may have wanted CIM not to save their vaginas but because CIM is more money.

Of course for extra 50, but some manage not to have sex, finishing very fast in mouth rabbits, when no girl can finish me in her mouth if I control with my hard belly. But sometimes, make like electricity in whole body, but not many are skillful enough to make this. My elegant at Sharks is really good for BBBJ with no extra asked.

[NiteRiderCal]

A while ago there was some debate regarding tipping. Hahhaha Any white knight, who think they will get more or better pussy still making that argument?

[Turgid]

..., some girls asking: You want finish in mouth? And to try to save their vagina,....

The girls may have wanted CIM not to save their vaginas but because CIM is more money.

[Sirioja]

Some members are saying the 2017 law didn't change anything and I would disagree!

I never paid more than 50 E for basic service (30 min BBBJ+sex) from 2003/4 - 2017, with Artemis being the only exception charging 60 E. I did occasionally tip 5-15 E but was never discussed before the room.

Hooker economics. The working girls will use any and all events (mostly bad) as a reason to charge more and I would probably do the same if I was in their line of work.

Ex. 1 - 2017 condom law.

Ex. 2 - COVID.

This logic is not based on supply and demand, which I learned in Econ 101 at my University.

I haven't been in 8+ months, but from reading other posts it seems like supply is still there and all the regular girls are still working..

From what I read, seem to be now different rate for different guys. I was so surprised one who think to be a specialist at 6 or Samya and was with Sharks regulars, was so fucked for 100 for less than 30 mn by girls who are usually for 100/60 and didn't even want 150/60, couldn't regulars help him for usual rates? When I went to 6, not being a regular and working alone as always, my rooms were for 100/60 and even repeated for this rate, welcome by the elegant there. At least BBBJ is still very standard after German law, some girls asking: You want finish in mouth? And to try to save their vagina, but no CIM nor HJ for me when I like to fuck, good cardio sport for both. Easy compare to my real sport in steepest.

[BackpackBrian]

Some members are saying the 2017 law didn't change anything and I would disagree!

I never paid more than 50 E for basic service (30 min BBBJ+sex) from 2003/4 - 2017, with Artemis being the only exception charging 60 E. I did occasionally tip 5-15 E but was never discussed before the room.

Hooker economics. The working girls will use any and all events (mostly bad) as a reason to charge more and I would probably do the same if I was in their line of work.

Ex. 1 - 2017 condom law.

Ex. 2 - COVID.

This logic is not based on supply and demand, which I learned in Econ 101 at my University.

I haven't been in 8+ months, but from reading other posts it seems like supply is still there and all the regular girls are still working.

Hooker economics and negotiation 101.

I just tell the WG's I want basic service and if they agree to 50 Euro we enter the room.

If they try and put a condom on me before the BJ I tell them I want it without, if they refuse I might walk out, if they grumble and moan it degrades the experience and we might negotiate for a higher amount.

In the last 2 years I'll usually make sure 50 E includes BBBJ before we go to the room and most of the time 70-80 E is where we both agree even with higher earners.

*Most of the higher earners will say no to anything less than 100 E at first! But after an hour and a couple of walk by's and verbal queues to go to the room they all give in and I usually hear something like.

"OK, I'll go to the room for 50-70 E with BBBJ, but only for you, just this one time. Next time it will be 100 E ok!

My advice to those who are new to FKK. Ask the receptionist how it works when you arrive. They will give you an explanation of basic service and prices. Or at least they do in most places.

Palace even had large laminated cards with pictures explaining what basic service was, for foreigners (probably Chinese), that they show you at the receptionist desk.

Always start at 50 and work your way up!

[Sirioja]

One effect of the condom law was that it also put more tax to be payed by the girls so there earnings decreased. I know girls who quit Germany because of this and tried other markets. So it changed the scene with a lot of good girls quitting.

Maybe more because of compulsory registration rather than CBJ. Some moved to NL or Switzerland.

[McGrath]

My experience was that the condom law changed nothing. Before and after the legislation were the same for me. BBBJ and CFS 50/30, 100/60. You had a few girls charging more but that also existed before 2017. There seems to be a big difference in pre-covid prices and covid prices in FKKland. Prices have remained the same in most other countries.

One effect of the condom law was that it also put more tax to be payed by the girls so there earnings decreased. I know girls who quit Germany because of this and tried other markets. So it changed the scene with a lot of good girls quitting.

[Sirioja]

My experience was that the condom law changed nothing. Before and after the legislation were the same for me. BBBJ and CFS 50/30, 100/60. You had a few girls charging more but that also existed before 2017. There seems to be a big difference in pre-covid prices and covid prices in FKKland. Prices have remained the same in most other countries.

Already some girls were for 100/30 and 150/60 before covid, like sexy Melissa, even not the best in bed but friendly and honest. I had better on this year for 100/60 .

[Turgid]

....New prices same service. It is what it is. The best years of FKKing are behind us I guess. Condom law and now Covid have made it worse. But it is still a great hobby.

My experience was that the condom law changed nothing. Before and after the legislation were the same for me. BBBJ and CFS 50/30, 100/60. You had a few girls charging more but that also existed before 2017. There seems to be a big difference in pre-covid prices and covid prices in FKKland. Prices have remained the same in most other countries.

[Sirioja]

For fans, Bulgarian with I think a bit Arabic roots, brunette with small tits and pointing nipples, milky skin, Viktoria is back at Sharks where she worked years ago. She also worked at LR and GT. Unfortunately, some girls and my elegant are missing, frustrating on my last visits and couldn't really enjoy my last rooms with other girls, even they were pretty and even with supermodel, when not on same level and same interesting for me, only Cena was not so far but less elegance and charm even beautiful blue eyes, so I preferred not to waste my money not really enjoying, returning home with full heavy balls even I know heavy is less fast, never forgetting: light is fast from Colin Chapman. When had many great visits, wish some really high level girls who are for only 100/60 will be back on next year. I wish one to be fine health. When you are able, you can make girls improving following you for sex, you can even advice for make up, hairstyle, shaving, nails, to improve their look, but girls have elegance and charm or not, inside of them, not just painting, what worth the most for me and I look and pay for.

[Sirioja]

150 for 60. It is not Covid per say but a lot of girls did escorting for that price during lockdown and the price follwed into the clubs.

Yes, Germans and locals paid 100/30 and 150/60 during lockdown in apartments, and they also do now in brothels. German now light brown Daisi was for 100/60 when she arrived at Sharks but I think not anymore. Fortunately, some girls are still for 100/60 and they are not the less pretty nor the worst for sex, when some little Romanians think they are pretty enough to ask escort rate.