American Women

[George90]

I came across this byline today in a major newspaper.

"Employees say toxic white feminism runs deep at NOW, Feminist Majority and AAUW. ".

Are some people in the US coming around to our thinking, that there are feminists who are toxic? I certainly hope so!

[Tintin1]

As for MSC, yeah it was a dump. In the 90's it was a brothel right in the middle of SF. Used to feel creepy going in and coming out, hoping no one would see you. Did not help that all the big I banks and other important employers were within a short walk, nor did it help that right outside you would have drugged out zombies. In the nights, you definitely took your life in your hands when you walked in and out. A taxi was always the safest choice leaving at night. Of the 3 famous clubs, Mitchell Bros (O'Farrell Theater) was the best known, least dumpy and had rip off prices. Would easily run a tab of $500 for a few rubs / lap dances and not even a proper blow job. New Century Theater was in between. Not as dumpy as MSC, not as expensive as Mitchell Bros. There were others like Gold Club, Centerfolds and Crazy Horse but those three were the ones I had visited more than once or twice. Considering what a sex prison the rest of the country was, was glad to have even those clubs back then.

OMG I was just explaining to a younger guy the 3 golden keys to SF! O'Farrell / Mitchell Bros (Gold), New Century (Silver) and Market Street Cinema (tin).
MSC whose nickname in many forums (Redbook et al) was "The Cesspool". At MSC, there was a young Latina, fake glasses, nice bolt ons, almost always wearing a white blouse and plaid skirt. Best to see her early in the evening before she saw too many men and smelled of of eau d' sweat! She would take you into the back booths give you an exceptional BBBJ then pop on the condom turn around onto the small booth counter and ask you to pound away. Sad when she left. Sadder when MSC went away. They had a strip show with theatre seating and some of the most amazing dildo shows. I don't think there wasn't a corner to that place I hadn't explored!! Mitchell on the other hand, very clean, quite pricey and lots of "star porn" headliners. Had the little changing booths that had curtain like 'doors'. You could always get a HJ. Occasionally a BJ seldom stand up fuck. For that you had to pay for the expensive rooms. And I loved the phone booths around a runway where you could often see and touch the girls with dildo shows. Now Century was it's own beast as you note. Sometimes gems on the stage and in the little rooms nearby you could get a great blow job. Full sex was always a bit harder to come by, but you also had to be prepared to pay for a BJ and end up with only a hand job. Still diamonds in the rough. Girls on their way DOWN from Mitchell before they fell into the "The Cesspool".
Images from the Leon Mostovoy archives of MSC.

[JohnReter335]

Awesome post. I work hard in America and spend my money in Russia or Mexico. I real have a tough time even being around American women, they just piss me off. I will say one thing about American women, they do work hard, compared to other women in other countries. Work is just not a priority to a lot of the ladies abroad, you have to give them credit.

Yes I'm 100% agreed American women are really hard worker and they do more hard work in comparison of other women.

[DramaFree11]

I'm certain I'm not the only one feeling this rn. Last December I found myself at a dingy stripclub in my sexless 25th largest city. There were 4 girls there that were definite 7's but none of them seemed particularly active in trying to make money from me, I turned one down, another was spending time with Latino regulars, ans the other two tall thin ones that I really liked were basically spending most of their time in the dressing room. This was the second club I went to that night, I can comfortably say I've spent thousands only to get the same results, getting blueballed at best and ripped off at worst. A half hour from closing I made a choice, if one of the girls didn't appear available within 5 minutes I was going to leave and never go to a us strip club again! When I got home I made the decision finally to commit to taking a trip. Every dollar I don't throw away to American women is another dollar I can spend where it counts. I've had a passport for years and I've lurked here even longer. I had it all planned, I was going travel just as my lease ended this month and generally I was planning on Brasil Portugal Spain Austria Czechia.

I had hoped at first things would be back to normal by the summer but I think things are ruined through the rest of the year. I am trying my best stick to my promise. My city is really bottom of the barrel and with a high uncle presence. I just can't pay anymore into a broken system rigged against men. I used to live in HI at least there I had AMPS and mahus, that's literally the only thing living there I miss.

Awesome post. I work hard in America and spend my money in Russia or Mexico. I real have a tough time even being around American women, they just piss me off. I will say one thing about American women, they do work hard, compared to other women in other countries. Work is just not a priority to a lot of the ladies abroad, you have to give them credit.

[ParsTiger]

I'm certain I'm not the only one feeling this rn. Last December I found myself at a dingy stripclub in my sexless 25th largest city. There were 4 girls there that were definite 7's but none of them seemed particularly active in trying to make money from me, I turned one down, another was spending time with Latino regulars, ans the other two tall thin ones that I really liked were basically spending most of their time in the dressing room. This was the second club I went to that night, I can comfortably say I've spent thousands only to get the same results, getting blueballed at best and ripped off at worst. A half hour from closing I made a choice, if one of the girls didn't appear available within 5 minutes I was going to leave and never go to a us strip club again! When I got home I made the decision finally to commit to taking a trip. Every dollar I don't throw away to American women is another dollar I can spend where it counts. I've had a passport for years and I've lurked here even longer. I had it all planned, I was going travel just as my lease ended this month and generally I was planning on Brasil Portugal Spain Austria Czechia.

I had hoped at first things would be back to normal by the summer but I think things are ruined through the rest of the year. I am trying my best stick to my promise. My city is really bottom of the barrel and with a high uncle presence. I just can't pay anymore into a broken system rigged against men. I used to live in HI at least there I had AMPS and mahus, that's literally the only thing living there I miss.

[Midwestern]

At Abimahajan,

What Mongerer88 says is quite spot on. Irony of your post, Abi, is that the delusional one is looking at you in the mirror. The additional funny thing is that SA is a site for rich guys, not you, to find American women. If 600 is not for you, then it's for the next guy. The woman doesn't care, and in fact she likely sets this rate to specifically avoid you.

Why are they delusional if they are setting a high price and getting as much demand as they want to supply? I have eaten some pretty expensive meals in San Francisco and did not observe anyone angrily arguing about price gouging. I suspect the common person in San Francisco rarely dines out, but that does not concern the restaurant owner, who does not feel that he owes anything to the common man. Why should American sex workers feel differently than the restaurant owners. If enough finance an tech guys fill up the seats of the restaurants, and fill up the vaginas of the sex workers, at the requested prices, why should they charge less? Same with apartment rents, for that matter.

San Francisco once has a lot of Asian immigrant women working at relatively much lower rates at full-service San Francisco massage parlors. It was the federal government much more so than the local police that shut them down. So if anyone is to blame for the high prices, it is the federal government.

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[Mongerer88]

Last year I was looking for sugar baby in SA, I find most of women want 6 $$ for PPM, is it normal in New York? Which I find insane. I have mongered only in south america and some countries in Asia, but here it is crazy, I wonder who are these people who can afford that.

Why are they delusional if they are setting a high price and getting as much demand as they want to supply? I have eaten some pretty expensive meals in San Francisco and did not observe anyone angrily arguing about price gouging. I suspect the common person in San Francisco rarely dines out, but that does not concern the restaurant owner, who does not feel that he owes anything to the common man. Why should American sex workers feel differently than the restaurant owners. If enough finance an tech guys fill up the seats of the restaurants, and fill up the vaginas of the sex workers, at the requested prices, why should they charge less? Same with apartment rents, for that matter.

San Francisco once has a lot of Asian immigrant women working at relatively much lower rates at full-service San Francisco massage parlors. It was the federal government much more so than the local police that shut them down. So if anyone is to blame for the high prices, it is the federal government.

[Midwestern]

Yep as Midwestern says this is not unusual. The US is absolutely the WORST place worldwide to find reasonably priced girls. Seeking Arrangement is your best bet. It will still be $400 in most cities but that's for probably 4 hours with drinks and dinner or whatever. Maybe even overnight. Not like the one hour with an escort.

Steve, what ever happened to rub maps? Whenever I was in the US, my go to was rub maps. It was WAY more convenient than CL or BP, or going to hotel lobbies to find a pro. I know there is stuff where you can be a registered user, but I never went for that. Is nobody using rub maps any more?

[The Cane]

Was she the half native American, or was it Hypatia Lee?

That would be Hyapatia Lee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyapatia_Lee. Here is a video with Nina de Ponca: https://www.xvideos.com/video1582626...sic_fuck_movie.

[Pessimist]

Ah those were the days! Although there were plenty of girls in there who did not fuck, there were plenty of others who did! I didn't have a lot of experiences with porn stars in there, but more so "wannabes". One of my favorites was this pretty blonde going by "Rita Erotica". We used to go into the back area, and she would expertly suck a condom onto my dick. Then turn her pretty little blonde, white butt around and I would fuck her from behind standing up. One time I used a condom I bought from the bathroom. Unbeknownst to both of us, the thing shattered to smithereens, and I was inside of her bare when I spermed inside of her!

Speaking of which, bareback FS was definitely available from some of the girls working at MSC. I never asked for it, but sometimes a girl just might offer it. I remember one time I was fucking another blonde (I like blondes) from behind when she, all in one continuous motion, reached back and ripped the condom off and put me back inside of her, pleading with me cum in me, cum in me! Another blonde girl in there told me how she let a monger spurt inside of her after he promised to buy her a leather jacket, which she had on LOL! Then there was another blonde who I butt fucked up in there! I had just finished doing her in the pussy when she said that maybe the next time I could fuck her in the ass. I was like the hell with next time! I'm going to fuck you in the ass right now! Which I did hahaha!.

Nina de Ponca. Vaguely familiar. Definitely well before my time. Was she the half native American, or was it Hyptie Lee? Hedgehog Jeremy was disgusting, but then so were all the guys from that time like Randy West etc. Who gives a fuck about stunt cocks anyway! As a rule, I think porn stars of 80's and even 90's were out of shape, ugly, not fully shaved; picture quality was bad w / lousy / creepy music; not very compelling viewing overall. However, if someone grew up with that crap in their teens, they may have nostalgic memories and fondly remember them in a positive light. My porn viewing has declined precipitously over the years but I find porn has hugely improved along with technology, abundant / free / ubiquitous and porn stars today are much better looking.

As for MSC, yeah it was a dump. In the 90's it was a brothel right in the middle of SF. Used to feel creepy going in and coming out, hoping no one would see you. Did not help that all the big I banks and other important employers were within a short walk, nor did it help that right outside you would have drugged out zombies. In the nights, you definitely took your life in your hands when you walked in and out. A taxi was always the safest choice leaving at night. Of the 3 famous clubs, Mitchell Bros (O'Farrell Theater) was the best known, least dumpy and had rip off prices. Would easily run a tab of $500 for a few rubs / lap dances and not even a proper blow job. New Century Theater was in between. Not as dumpy as MSC, not as expensive as Mitchell Bros. There were others like Gold Club, Centerfolds and Crazy Horse but those three were the ones I had visited more than once or twice. Considering what a sex prison the rest of the country was, was glad to have even those clubs back then.

[Steve 9696]

That's just the price point for high end escorts in big USA Cities. 600 makes sense. It was 500 in SF a few years ago. Probably 600 there now too. My guess is that you found some pros using SA. Here's a helpful discussion of SA: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...g-Arrangements.

Yep as Midwestern says this is not unusual. The US is absolutely the WORST place worldwide to find reasonably priced girls. Seeking Arrangement is your best bet. It will still be $400 in most cities but that's for probably 4 hours with drinks and dinner or whatever. Maybe even overnight. Not like the one hour with an escort.

[Midwestern]

Last year I was looking for sugar baby in SA, I find most of women want 6 $$ for PPM, is it normal in New York? Which I find insane. I have mongered only in south america and some countries in Asia, but here it is crazy, I wonder who are these people who can afford that.

That's just the price point for high end escorts in big USA Cities. 600 makes sense. It was 500 in SF a few years ago. Probably 600 there now too. My guess is that you found some pros using SA. Here's a helpful discussion of SA: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...g-Arrangements.

[AbiMahajan]

Last year I was looking for sugar baby in SA, I find most of women want 6 $$ for PPM, is it normal in New York? Which I find insane. I have mongered only in south america and some countries in Asia, but here it is crazy, I wonder who are these people who can afford that.

[Gamer76]

When it comes to topics related to sex, there are many countries that more liberal than others. This should be reviewed more, as neither is everyone bad nor does everyone suck at it. However, those who do it deserve to be punished.

What kind of punishment you expect?

[Goyo61]

Just to note. There is something so sweet about Asian women that American women don't have. Somehow the values or how they are raised. Media. I don't know what it is exactly but I love the personalities of "most" women in Asia in comparison.

I spent most time in Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia. The girls in Japan were so sweet when say. Just buying something at a store and they handed your change and thanked you. (yea maybe they didn't want to fuck you but). Just a sweetness that is so nice in comparison to USA where I am from.

Goyo.