Montreal

[Smuler]

What surprisingly hasn't been brought up yet on the local board is that the organizer of these new parties has a rather shady past. He was formerly known as "crzyhen" and was EXPOSED A STALKER, after it was revealed that he had written fake reviews against Lana Jolie (now Heaven at Euphoria) after she became concerned with his obsession for her. Most of this has been redacted by the moderation in her thread but there are still traces of it.

And today, he throws the scent off himself, by posting that he is the HERO of Sp's and is aghast that a girl was outed. He then "warned the girls" to be on the lookout for evil mongers LOL.

Best Regards
Smuler

[WyattEarp]

Roy Miller,

Thanks for the incite. While some will consider it idle talk, it helps me and others understand the dynamics of the Montreal monger community. It would be great if we could get more Montreal guys here posting unabashed reviews. The [CodeWord130] nature of the local forum certainly places a ceiling limit on its value especially for out of towners. I quickly noticed that there are a lot of decent contributors who get banned. Whenever the local knights (chevaliers) gang up on a guy for a bad review, posters who have tried to offer encouragement to the attacked party have their support deleted by the moderator. If you see that a few times, you realize there is a bit of a game going on. Perhaps the moderator leaves the bad review posted, but helps set the example that there are consequences and your opinions will be criticized ad nauseum.

Your post about Gaia, (aka Louna, Megan White or Daria Costa) is hilarious. It probably also means that she's not a teenager. Not that it makes a difference to me, but I think some guys like them the younger the better. In any event, she's far from her first rodeo. She seems like a hustler. If you can get an appointment, get her to keep the appointment and the sex is good, it probably doesn't matter.

[Monger718]

http://www.escortsxo.com/portfolio/eliane-xo/

OK gentlemen, my trip starts today and I have one last decision to make. I can't seem to find and reviews of Eliane at XO except a oragy review on the local board. She's nice body, and lite eyes which is up my ally. So if anyone has any intel it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance and trip review will be posted when in a week.

Monger in the 718.

[Roy Miller]

I've been amused with this local MTL forum thread for a girl named "Indy of the Year 2017". From her website photos and videos, you can clearly see she is a nubile bombshell with more natural curves than one would think possible. Almost every reviewer raves about this 18 (or 19) year-old's performance and empathy with her clients. She also has a knack for cancelling appointments at the last minute. Since she made a big splash on the scene last year, this little habit has followed her from two quick stints in and out of two premier MTL agencies and back and forth into the indy world.

Of course the chivalrous knights (or should I say chevaliers) on the local forum, come to this damsel's defense either proclaiming her cancellations are limited or that they shouldn't even be posted on the forum. What's odd is that the forum deleted her reviews under a different name from the first half of 2017 where you see this habit trending and taking shape. And while you ask, yes she is an advertiser on the forum

She's again on the move and is back as an indy once again.

FYI, she's had more than one review thread deleted, and has been reviewed on the local board before 2017. She was first reviewed by the "Hunter of Gems" in 2015 after he found her ad on one of the French ad sites. She was known as Megan White back then. The "Hunter of Gems" became her champion on the board and took her under his wing, becoming her unofficial "manager". She changed her name to Daria Costa and started to advertise on the local board. Her "manager" during that period kept writing reviews about her, without disclosing his role, while contacting by PM other veteran board members to promote her and set up bookings.

Then she disappeared abruptly from the scene and the local board in early 2016. All her ads disappeared as well as her reviews, and any mention of her. While the "Hunter of gems" has kept a low profile since then, avoiding public gatherings, word on the street is that he started to "help" her again when she came back on the scene last year, as Louna. Her initial reviews as Louna kept mentioning her prior names, prompting the moderation to delete those reviews as well.

Any mention of Megan White or Daria Costa gets deleted as soon as the moderation sees it, and it's likely that the members who keep persisting at posting this information, get banned.

[Roy Miller]

This reminds me of the Money Grab involving the abuser of girls, AKA " Da Greatness "

Like Smuler points out, the 4-some, 6-some and 8-some XO parties which have become an attraction on the local board, are in fact the second foray of the agency into these kinds of activities. A few months after its launch in 2016, the agency was evidently struggling before it managed to attract Anastasia from Euphoria, for a higher rate, a movement that led to other girls with a high-profile joining the agency soon afterwards, Jennifer most notably.

A big boost also came from the orgies organized by the "the Greatness", a local hobbyist, where guys would pay a little fortune to meet some of the XO girls at a private party, followed by a fuck fest. The amount paid by each guest was so such that the organizer was essentially having sex with the girls for free, and Sam (the agency owner) was pocketing his normal fee while his agency was enjoying renewed attention on the local board.

There were a couple of hiccups with this: apparently while Sam only saw benefits to this operation, most of the girls on his roster wanted nothing to do with these parties and especially with "the Greatness", as he kept disrespecting their boundaries, was rough with them, to the point where some were about to leave. What led to the demise of the parties was the revelation back channel that "the Greatness" was black listed by other agencies and massage parlours for the same kind of behaviour. He even went as far as choking a girl without her consent. She left the scene soon after and that was the last straw.

Forward a few months later, and Sam is now approached by another member of the local board, "detour", who proposes to organize the same kind of parties. Like others have expressed here, these parties have little appeal to me, but it's clear that XO is enjoying a lot of free publicity once again because of them. Sam must figure out that the few clients he's losing because of their distaste for the parties is more than made by new clients who are intrigued.

What surprisingly hasn't been brought up yet on the local board is that the organizer of these new parties has a rather shady past. He was formerly known as "crzyhen" and was exposed a stalker, after it was revealed that he had written fake reviews against Lana Jolie (now Heaven at Euphoria) after she became concerned with his obsession for her. Most of this has been redacted by the moderation in her thread but there are still traces of it.

[Roy Miller]

They go to dinner with these girls too (and drive them home afterwards), so there's obviously much more than the usual service extended to these people. Personally I don't have a problem with it. They are likely the agency's best clients. It's smart to give them special deals.

Indeed, it makes perfect business sense, even though these guys seem to read more into this privileged access than what it usually is. And it's not uncommon, or unique to XO; I've had the opportunity to do the same over the years with ladies working at various agencies, indies, etc. , and I know of other hobbyists in Montreal who have had similar opportunities. Ultimately it's a mark of trust. Reading more than that into it, like these guys do by the way they're bragging, leads to answers one might not want to hear. But it's part of the game.

XO is not unique in Montreal in having a group of hardcore clients who will write nothing but extremely positive reviews, and will attack anyone writing a negative review, without the agency being necessarily involved. Other agencies have gone through the same cycle; Euphoria more recently, and before that, GoodGirls, MTLGFE (now Mike's Mansion), WildTime, and back in the day Eleganza and Devilish, to name a few. But the latter was known to have people writing fake reviews on its behalf, which contributed to its immense popularity before it eventually faded and disappeared. Same for GoodGirls at its peak.

There are high-profile members who also have been exposed as mercenaries. One even admitted on the local board a few years ago writing positive reviews in exchange of discounts. He was banned for it, but then allowed back by the moderation, only to pick up where he left off.

XO has refined these practices by also giving deep discounts to its best clients, and by giving privileged access to those who even invest in the agency. This has been known for a while now back channel, but has not been revealed mostly because of the fear of reprisals by the agency.

None of this is unique to XO or even the Montreal scene, but when one wonders why so many of the reviews on the local board are dedicated to XO, this partly explains what's going on. Should it come to light on the local board, this would certainly raise questions about the authenticity of many reviews. None of this changes the fact that XO has one of the largest rosters in Montreal, is therefore almost unavoidable when hobbying in Montreal, and has some ladies who do merit the vast amount of positive reviews they have received (Shelly, for instance).

It's for the lesser reviewed girls on the roster that these behind-the-scene machinations should be kept in mind when reading feedback about them.

[WyattEarp]

A slight side effect is that I've heard from some on the local board. That the posts about the backslapping orgies that the lonely boys club have with the XO girls is actually a turn-off for many people. Several people have indicated this, and I agree with it as well. They don't sound erotic. They usually just sound a bit sad. I'm sure XO isn't worried, but they have lost some business as a result of those posts.

It is a turn-off for men who want more of a one-on-one interlude perhaps with some allusion of romance. Not everyone is interested a porn star experience with a woman who just banged four guys at the same time yesterday afternoon.

I'm not judging, but some discretion is always warranted.

[WyattEarp]

Anyone know why it's down?

Traffic has increased 400% in the last week in the USG Forum, and the consequence is we have problem with our servers, but we are working ASAP to be functioning normally.

A3

If the USA Guide is outside the jurisdiction of USA Law enforcement (and I think it is), this massive uptick in traffic makes sense. As of last week, American mongers can't get any information from their usual sources.

What always concerned me is how the USA Government was able to get backpage and a few other sites to block USA Access to pages regarding Canadian escorts.

[Jeep1995]

Anyone know why it's down?

Traffic has increased 400% in the last week in the USG Forum, and the consequence is we have problem with our servers, but we are working ASAP to be functioning normally.

A3

[DethManRulz]

TThey boast about their 4-some and 8-some parties, constantly providing free and constant publicity to the agencies that help them. Nobody ever bothers to mention, or ask, how much these escapades cost. Full freight? I doubt very much.

They go to dinner with these girls too (and drive them home afterwards), so there's obviously much more than the usual service extended to these people. Personally I don't have a problem with it. They are likely the agency's best clients. It's smart to give them special deals.

A slight side effect is that I've heard from some on the local board. That the posts about the backslapping orgies that the lonely boys club have with the XO girls is actually a turn-off for many people. Several people have indicated this, and I agree with it as well. They don't sound erotic. They usually just sound a bit sad. I'm sure XO isn't worried, but they have lost some business as a result of those posts.

[Smuler]

They boast about their 4-some and 8-some parties, constantly providing free and constant publicity to the agencies that help them. Nobody ever bothers to mention, or ask, how much these escapades cost. Full freight? I doubt very much

This reminds me of the Money Grab involving the abuser of girls, AKA " Da Greatness ".

Best Regards
Smuler

[Roy Miller]

Some don't want to be the first to deviate protocol. Otherwise, the roaming wolfpack of shills would attack them. The extreme moderation on that board seems to protect the pack.

The local board has always had white knights like cloudshill, ready to defend their favourite girl. Or even any girl. The difference compared to years past is that there's a whole squadron of them, like the bromance dudes who pounced on smuler a few weeks ago and now on the new guy. There are almost explicitly supported by the moderation: to my knowledge, it was the first time ever that the mods provided assistance with the Best of year end polls. They used to leave this entirely in the hands of the members to avoid being accused of interference.

I believe this partly explains what HungryStud described:

More and more reviewers withhold details and everyone is wonderful. Moreover, I see few direct comparisons or anything critical at all. If you want this you have to PM them. Why is this? Fear of White knights? Fear of reprisals from agency owners? Or is it that we have all become part of a community and nobody wants to hurt anyone's feelings?

There's always been a potential for members who post negative reviews to get black listed by agencies. In their prime, the owners of agencies such as Devilish, Eleganza, and later on GoodGirls, would go on the board and publicly attack those "black sheeps". There was enough diversity on the Montreal scene that it didn't matter for somebody to get banned. There were other agencies to go to. Reviews, good or bad, were discussed. Sometimes furiously but rarely silenced.

As some pointed out before, the local market has recently started to gravitate around a couple of agencies and others in the periphery are faltering (XXXtase being an example). There are fewer reviews, people focus on the agencies and girls for which more information is available. It's a vicious circle that benefits only a few players.

While in the past everybody had their own favourite agency, there used to be a diversity of opinion about which agency is the best. That changed with the "epic party organizer" and his shameless constant promotion of certain agencies, while his disparaging remarks against competitors remained largely unchecked. Even seemed supported by the moderation. The "party organizer" and his acolyte having disappeared from the scene, others jumped on the opportunity to be in the spotlight and, while promoting the leading agencies of the day (Euphoria, Vogue, XO, for instance), now enjoy preferential treatment and privileged access in return. They boast about their 4-some and 8-some parties, constantly providing free and constant publicity to the agencies that help them. Nobody ever bothers to mention, or ask, how much these escapades cost. Full freight? I doubt very much.

HungryStud talks about community. True as well, particularly since some agency owners were until a few years ago hobbyists themselves. Will people be willing to write negative reviews when just a few years before they were hanging out with these guys?

That being said, it is still possible to go to Montreal and enjoy nothing but a series of great dates like HungryStud101. But that is provided one is careful in their selection and takes with a big grain of salt what's being written on the local board.

[Roy Miller]

By the way Roy, have you met Amanda or Meghan at XO and do you have an opinion?

I haven't met either of them although a buddy of mine was sent face pics of Amanda by the agency owner. Definitely a cutie; a legitimate 8 IMHO, not too sure I would rate her above that. Interesting nugget of information she used to be one of the bookers at XO before. She's being alluded to, in the "Best Booker" thread.

For Meghan, I will defer to HungryStud's review.

[WyattEarp]

Indeed. In fairness, the new guy's review was really very self-aggrandizing. Essentially describing himself constantly as some sort of sexual God. At one point he mentioned that the girl was nervous because he was so good.

That's why I referenced Penthouse Letters (for those who remember). He is verbose and self-aggrandizing, but there are useful nuggets in his posts. Just wish he would cut all the shit out of long, storyline reviews. I know he's going to rate a girl an 8 or higher. I presume when he gives a girl a 9. 5 for looks that is ridiculous on an absolute basis, but perhaps useful on a comparative basis. I guess his big crime was deviating off the board's unwritten protocol in regards to Sarah's review. His review (and critique) was followed by the typical defense by white knights. Then the more reasonable participants try to defuse the thread with "Let's just say YMMV". That's your red flag!

It's not unusual to see that after one reviewer mentions a bad habit or bad experience others are more comfortable coming out of the woodwork to share their bad experiences. Some don't want to be the first to deviate protocol. Otherwise, the roaming wolfpack of shills would attack them. The extreme moderation on that board seems to protect the pack.

P.S.- I want to see this guy's awesome Montreal apartment.

[Roy Miller]

Who is this mysterious grandpa? It would be helpful to know.

He was one of the posters leading the charge against the new guy who writes very descriptive reviews, calling him "self-centered" and "obnoxious". He's known back channel as cloudshill. That thread was the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black. Pretty much all the self-aggrandizing members, who keep congratulating each other for their prowess with the girls, attacked the new guy for things they've been doing for months in their posts.

Sad to say, but heard directly from his mouth " I will do anything to give a girl business "

This was fine when he was the only one doing this on the local board but it is now the motto shared the members who have a very public bromance on the local board, which gravitate around the orgy parties. Their de-facto leader has even posted a few times now that he will never write a negative review, and that the reviews are just meant to give publicity to the girls.

Many people read his and the other grandpa's reviews and think that they had nonstop sex with these girls.

But they cannot have intercourse, so they cleverly disguise their reviews as " we had multiple orgasms ".

A prime example of that is illustrated by the most recent reviews of Sarah at Euphoria. After a couple of meh reviews, a white knight came to her defense and posted a glowing review (again an example of over the top ratings), followed by one of the grandpas extolling her charms, while remaining ambiguous.

I've met Sarah and while very pretty, she doesn't rate above 8 in my book and I found her to be somewhat of a princess.