Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Soroche]

I did a Google search for the Hepatitis C vaccine you mentioned and the only credible source info I found is there is still no vaccine for it. I got the vaccine series for Hep A + B and a booster years ago and recently for HPV. But I have not read elsewhere that there is a new vaccine for Hep C. Do you have a link for a report on that?

The name of the drug is Solvaldi and it is manufactured by Gilead a US drug company and approved by the FDA. Actually, it is not a vaccine but an 84 pill (minimum) course of treatment. The treatment is $100,000 in the US but you can get the pills in India for $1000 US.

[EihTooms]

Hepatitis A be and see should be included as a significant percentage of the Thai population has one of these and I believe its fairly easy to acquire as the virus is tough and hard to kill and can be transmitted through sex or even a pedicure with unsterilized instruments. A and be can be prevented with a course of 3 injections over 6 months and see now has a new vaccine that is about 95% effective. I'm not sure why the second and third letters of the alphabet automatically change to be and see. Anyone know how to fix that?

I did a Google search for the Hepatitis C vaccine you mentioned and the only credible source info I found is there is still no vaccine for it. I got the vaccine series for Hep A + B and a booster years ago and recently for HPV. But I have not read elsewhere that there is a new vaccine for Hep C. Do you have a link for a report on that?

[Mogwai]

I'm not sure why the second and third letters of the alphabet automatically change to be and see. Anyone know how to fix that?

It's the auto-correction of this forum that's to blame for this. You can correct the auto-correction by clicking on 'Edit Post' after you have uploaded your post. But once you've logged out you cannot do this anymore.

[Soroche]

I have looked into this for HIV tests. The Red Cross gives you your test result within one hour. It is not guaranteed certain test. It merely reports that negative means there is a high probability you have not had HIV for long enough for the Virus to become so amplified as to test positive. It is still possible you have contracted HIV in the last few weeks, but unlikely to be missed if you had it for significant time, e. G. Over 3 months.

The Red Cross then perform a subsequent backup Virus Amplification test. This takes several days to get a result. However the result is significantly more reliable in that any HIV contracted more than two weeks prior is almost certain to be detected. If you test positive to the backup more certain test, they will contact you, in order to do another independent verification test. If no contact occurs, then you are clean.

So your certificate from the initial test does not mean so much, in reality. You have to wait for several days of no contact from them, e. G by email, to really have the all clear signal. So when you show the girl your paper printed test result, it really means you did not have HIV for over 3 months, and unlikely over a month..

Hepatitis A be and see should be included as a significant percentage of the Thai population has one of these and I believe its fairly easy to acquire as the virus is tough and hard to kill and can be transmitted through sex or even a pedicure with unsterilized instruments. A and be can be prevented with a course of 3 injections over 6 months and see now has a new vaccine that is about 95% effective. I'm not sure why the second and third letters of the alphabet automatically change to be and see. Anyone know how to fix that?

[Syzygies]

There are places where you can get tested for HIV plus Syphilis and get the results within 1 h. Red Cross clinic in Bangkok is one of them, I'm sure some exist in Pattaya too (which ones you can trust is something to consider). A few years ago, HIV tests used to only show results 3 months after exposure (in other words, you could still be HIV+ and get a negative result if you recently acquired it). Not sure how long the window is with the newer tests.

I have looked into this for HIV tests. The Red Cross gives you your test result within one hour. It is not guaranteed certain test. It merely reports that negative means there is a high probability you have not had HIV for long enough for the Virus to become so amplified as to test positive. It is still possible you have contracted HIV in the last few weeks, but unlikely to be missed if you had it for significant time, e. G. Over 3 months.

The Red Cross then perform a subsequent backup Virus Amplification test. This takes several days to get a result. However the result is significantly more reliable in that any HIV contracted more than two weeks prior is almost certain to be detected. If you test positive to the backup more certain test, they will contact you, in order to do another independent verification test. If no contact occurs, then you are clean.

So your certificate from the initial test does not mean so much, in reality. You have to wait for several days of no contact from them, e. G by email, to really have the all clear signal. So when you show the girl your paper printed test result, it really means you did not have HIV for over 3 months, and unlikely over a month.

The amplification test would be expensive in some clinics. Red Cross are able to do it much cheaper using a sneaky scientific technique. They can take everyone's blood samples from a specific time period or number of testees, each person's samples split into two. Let's call then the A and the be sample. Then perhaps they mix the A samples for say 100 people together and run the virus amplification procedure. If the A sample 100 batch tests positive to HIV, then they have to retest all 100 be samples on an individual basis. If the A sample 100 batch test is negative, then testing the 100 be samples can be avoided as the entire batch of 100 persons get the all clear. I don't actually know the optimal size of each batch and how many persons are in it.

Nothing gives you an absolutely clean bill of health unless you abstained for 2 weeks prior to your test. Then as soon as you fuck again you are not longer 100% clean.

So in the end, the practical reality of testing is merely to greatly reduce the probability of having caught HIV.

Statistical number do not have significant cases of HIV proven to have arisen through oral sex (and always harder for man to catch it anyway relative to a woman). So I therefore don't consider BBBJ or DATY to be a significant risk to a male (for HIV). Just doesn't happen. Other diseases are much easier to contract.

I am therefor far more concerned about new diseases coming along like the Mycoplasma Genitalium, and the very easy to catch traditional STDs like Chlamydia (as example). I once had non-specific Urethritus (causing painful peeing) and my only BB partner at the time had nothing. In fact I think I had no other sex partners for a significant time then. So I never knew exactly what sort of bacterial infection it was or how I got it. I was probably better off to say nothing to her till I got the test results which did not identify a known definite STD.

Next Red Cross visit I can test for HIV, and Mycoplasma, and do long term IgG test for ever having contracted Herpes HSV-2 (long ago) or not. I don't really know if ever had it. Certainly no specific symptoms.

Maybe I had a common cold sore HSV-1, maybe not. No clear symptom experienced, but 80% of mongers should have had a cold sore contracted at some point, even if not aware of it being that for certain.

[Lee66]

Look into preexposure prophylaxis for std, in google. , truva#the for hiv. Doxycycline for syphilis, chlamydia, and most gonorrhea.

[Syzygies]

I don't see this as a way to have safe sex, honestly.

It is strange he added the word "safe" to his question, since no one knows what he means by the term. Maybe he can avoid a major risk of dying but cannot be totally free of all risks. I tend to ignore his "safe" word. The important point really is his wish to fuck both girls bareback.

[BionicMan]

Not sure if this is the correct thread, but let's see.

So I'm looking to have safe bareback sex in Pattaya, meaning to find a couple girls to spend the week or so, get tested and be safe.

Anyone have info if this is a working plan?

How much time does it take to get the results and where could one get those done?

I don't see this as a way to have safe sex, honestly.

The two girls might be your exclusive partner (supposing the whole process of checking is feasible and working, also time-wise), but who guarantees you are the esclusive partner for the two girls?

All this aside the need to find two girls ready for bareback.

If by culture and education they are not into it, your "story" will not convince them.

If money will convince them, it means many other can persuade them (past and present).

If by attitude they are ready for it, without too much hesitation, maybe not even money (I experienced it is quite normal amongst philipina working girls to enjoy if not even demand bareback) then, it is part of their daily working routine.

It is still a Russian roulette. You can mitigate it with plastic or rubber bullets, but still one csn shoot into your head.

[BobLou]

I believe it is 6 weeks now.

When I get tested for HIV and Syphilis at the Thai Red Cross on Ratchedamri in Bangkok, the routine is to get the result/document from one of their experienced clinic technicians or counselors. She (it is typically a woman) will try to put in a word or two about wearing condoms and so on. One time I got tested along with a girlfriend and we both got the exit counseling together. These days it seems they are going with about 1 month between tests giving you the necessary and sufficiently accurate info. That is what the counselor told us when I went in with the girl; if we both only had sex with each other and got tested again in a month, we would know everything we needed to know.

That might not match the consensus of thought among the worldwide community of HIV testers, I don't know. But that is what the testers in Thai's Red Cross feel is enough. And chances are they are being overly cautious about it anyway, might even be enough to check again in just two weeks. Just my opinion there, of course.

[EihTooms]

A few years ago, HIV tests used to only show results 3 months after exposure (in other words, you could still be HIV+ and get a negative result if you recently acquired it). Not sure how long the window is with the newer tests.

When I get tested for HIV and Syphilis at the Thai Red Cross on Ratchedamri in Bangkok, the routine is to get the result/document from one of their experienced clinic technicians or counselors. She (it is typically a woman) will try to put in a word or two about wearing condoms and so on. One time I got tested along with a girlfriend and we both got the exit counseling together. These days it seems they are going with about 1 month between tests giving you the necessary and sufficiently accurate info. That is what the counselor told us when I went in with the girl; if we both only had sex with each other and got tested again in a month, we would know everything we needed to know.

That might not match the consensus of thought among the worldwide community of HIV testers, I don't know. But that is what the testers in Thai's Red Cross feel is enough. And chances are they are being overly cautious about it anyway, might even be enough to check again in just two weeks. Just my opinion there, of course.

[Crocodilexp]

So I'm looking to have safe bareback sex in Pattaya, meaning to find a couple girls to spend the week or so, get tested and be safe. Anyone have info if this is a working plan? How much time does it take to get the results and where could one get those done?

There are places where you can get tested for HIV plus Syphilis and get the results within 1 h. Red Cross clinic in Bangkok is one of them, I'm sure some exist in Pattaya too (which ones you can trust is something to consider). A few years ago, HIV tests used to only show results 3 months after exposure (in other words, you could still be HIV+ and get a negative result if you recently acquired it). Not sure how long the window is with the newer tests.

Testing for other STDs things like Gonorrhea or Chlamydia is not that quick, it takes a few days or even weeks for the results to come back. Those things are not lethal, but there are some antibiotic-resistant strains in Thailand that are not at all easy to cure.

Summary is, if you do some testing beforehand, you can be safer, but not really safe. If you have a regular partner, I wouldn't risk bringing something nasty back to them, and would stick with a condom. However, if you're single, you may well get an HIV test, do your bareback thing, and take the risk of catching something (and later curing it).

For mongering, I think an ED pill plus thin condom combination works way better (safer and more bang for the buck) than trying to concoct all kinds of schemes to decrease the risk of going bareback.

[Syzygies]

Not sure if this is the correct thread, but let's see.

So I'm looking to have safe bareback sex in Pattaya, meaning to find a couple girls to spend the week or so, get tested and be safe.

Anyone have info if this is a working plan?

How much time does it take to get the results and where could one get those done?

Yes its possible if you have the right money offer, without having done that myself. Testing at Red Cross in Bangkok gets a very fast prelim result and more definitive result comes later from virus amplification procedures (if no email in x days then everything is okay - I can't remember the delay). There is never any 100% guarantee but you would get a 99% guarantee good enough, to make getting struck by lightning as comparable.

So I don't concur with Lefeu exactly, except for sure there is no 100% guarantee of anything (especially monogamy in the mongering world).

Actually the biggest risk you would face is getting girls pregnant, if all of you are pre-tested for a wide variety of diseases (a bit expensive to get all tests for 3 persons. HIV only is cheap). As example some girls use 3 month vaccination against pregnancy. Some still get pregnant. "The pill" fails when girls forget to take it or not on time.

A very significant proportion of Thai P4P girls have been accidentally pregnant, and a high proportion of those did not get an abortion for religious reasons, or because it's illegal, or because they were in denial, or unaware, etc.

[Lefeu]

Not sure if this is the correct thread, but let's see.

So I'm looking to have safe bareback sex in Pattaya, meaning to find a couple girls to spend the week or so, get tested and be safe.

Anyone have info if this is a working plan?

How much time does it take to get the results and where could one get those done?

Unfortunately, IMO, there is no such thing as safe bareback sex, unless you are in a monogamous relationship. You can take the route of testing the girl and yourself upon arrival in Pattaya, but that does not guarantee anything. It takes some time for the HIV virus to show up in a test.

[DudesOnTre]

Not sure if this is the correct thread, but let's see.

So I'm looking to have safe bareback sex in Pattaya, meaning to find a couple girls to spend the week or so, get tested and be safe.

Anyone have info if this is a working plan?

How much time does it take to get the results and where could one get those done?

[Syzygies]

I'd be more worried about herpes from blowjobs. I've read in some medical papers that having one form of herpes could prevent you from contracting the other one, like having mouth herpes was a good predictor of not getting genital herpes and vice versa. To complicate matters, it also depended on whether you have HSP1 or HSP2 as both can infect mouth or genitals. The medical litterature is difficult to disentangle. I'd be interested to know more about this as I have cold sores (HSP 1 normally but I never had that ckecked). As a former member of barebacker's anonymous, it's the genital variant I should have got.

If you code an abbreviation, you want to think about its meaning and preferably expand it the first time.

E. g. HSV1 or 2 (Herpes Simplex Virus Types 1 or 2) or HPV (Human Papilloma Virus. Many different strains).

Now HSP1 and 2, I think that is meaningless to most of us. We can only guess you intended HSV-1 and HSV-2.