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08-13-21 18:20 #3173
Posts: 1289Originally Posted by SeaBeeJoe [View Original Post]
The 99% figure represents the number of vaccinated that have not tested positive. That number, however, is very misleading. Most breakthrough cases are asymptomatic. So we have no way of knowing the real number because the vast majority of asymptomatic, vaccinated people are not getting tested. And why would they.
As for new infections: that metric is not readily available. The CDC is not providing a lot of hard data, which is curious. But a few weeks ago, they estimated about 35,000 breakthrough positive tests every week. If we take that as fact, over 10% of new infections were breakthrough cases. Two very important considerations:
1-That 35,000 figure does not represent any asymptomatic cases. Again, when vaxxed and exhibiting no symptoms, they just aren't testing.
2-This is a game changer when you look at it from transmission standpoint.
To your larger point, I agree. People should get vaccinated. It greatly improves their situation should they contract Covid. But I just don't want people to misinterpret the misleading math being pushed. (Pushed by our so called experts, not you, SeaBee).
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08-13-21 03:43 #3172
Posts: 644Originally Posted by KoolBeans [View Original Post]
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08-12-21 00:01 #3171
Posts: 558Originally Posted by CaptainSolo [View Original Post]
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08-11-21 22:17 #3170
Posts: 1289Originally Posted by WombatEd2 [View Original Post]
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I have no medical expertise. My biggest claim to fame in that field may be passing high school Biology. If anyone takes any medical advice from me, God help them!
I get the err on the side of caution. As I've said, I got to believe masks help to some degree.
My purpose for opening my pie hole was not to claim any virology expertise. My hope is that people really start to think and challenge what the group think is. You are absolutely right. Virtually all doctors, scientists, etc agree. But what have those experts accomplished? We've done it their way and we are literally no better off right now.
I'll tell you why I do not believe pretty much anything they say. My quote from Fauci is accurate. Everyone will say 'circumstances change' and of course they do. But Fauci has directly contradicted himself more times than I can count.
What's coming? Not exactly a bold prediction here. But this will be so telling. For the last few weeks, Fauci is telling us how the booster shot is unnecessary. But we follow the science, right? The data, Pfizer, Moderna. The science tells us that Fauci is wrong. Soon, Fauci will change his mind yet again and tell us we will all die without that booster shot. I would bet a year's salary on this. It's predictable. So he's either lying to us now, or he's an idiot and not following the science. Or both. But this is the leader of that group of all doctors, scientists. This is the guy that so many follow blindly. I don't care if it's a scientist, a car salesman or a plumber. I run from someone with a track record like his.
I'm done talking about this topic. Sadly, we're all entrenched in our beliefs. But I do hope we all start to think for ourselves and evaluate our so called experts on their results. It's a scary proposition because, honestly, I don't think we have answers.
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08-11-21 19:12 #3169
Posts: 2420Originally Posted by Dcrist0527 [View Original Post]
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08-11-21 18:30 #3168
Posts: 6526Not A Difficult COVID Choice
For over 200 years, doctors, nurses, hospital workers all over the world have been scrubbing their hands and arms, wearing masks, gloves, sterilized garments ect to minimize catching or spreading infection.
Why are we now doubting these basic hygiene measures?
The ease of transmission and high risks of CoVid infection, with lots of unknown long-term effects, pain, death, high costs of hospitalization to everyone in the world, dictates that everyone must do everything using all means they can at individual level to contain its spread.
Wombat is right. It's not a difficult choice. When in doubt err on the safe side. Mask up, glove on, scrub your hands after picking on bar girls' anus and kittles, pucker up and hope the virus won't' kill you, your bar GFs, friends, family, children.
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08-11-21 17:21 #3167
Posts: 536A Difficult COVID Choice
Whether to believe what pretty much all the doctors, scientists, and health officials are telling me, or to believe what some self-appointed pundit on a monger website is telling me. (No, I'm not talking about you; I'm talking about that OTHER self-appointed pundit!) (grin).
Given that my life, and the lives of those I care about, are on the line, I'm going to err on the side of caution.
Wearing a mask may not exactly be the "silver bullet". But I have every reason to believe that it's a good bit safer than NOT wearing one.
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08-11-21 04:36 #3166
Posts: 1289Originally Posted by Jackie888 [View Original Post]
Or because I look at facts. Sweden deaths have outperformed most nations, without implementing mask mandates. That's just a fact.
As a nation, case counts were the highest when mask compliance was at its peak.
But don't take my word for it. Let's see what God's gift to science has to say about it:
"wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is."
Perhaps science isn't for Lord Fauci either?
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08-11-21 01:03 #3165
Posts: 2420Originally Posted by Sol12 [View Original Post]
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08-11-21 00:54 #3164
Posts: 2420Originally Posted by Dcrist0527 [View Original Post]
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08-10-21 21:13 #3163
Posts: 1289Originally Posted by Jackie888 [View Original Post]
Or how do you explain the San Francisco hospital outbreak? If hospital staff, who are, in theory, experts at controlling viral spread, have an outbreak with their PPE availability, a cloth face covering is our answer? Not buying it. Does it help? Of course it does! Would it have stopped Covid? No. No way in hell. Even Lord Fauci admitted as much.
I believe we know very little about this virus, as evidenced by the results. But our experts have to say something, right? Wear a mask! Get vaxxed! But yet on it rages. And I would feel very differently if we didn't have breakthrough cases. But our experts sold us this vaccine as something it is not. If we take the CDC figures as fact, we have at least, and very conservatively, 10% of new cases are breakthrough cases. But again, they tell us most of the breakthrough cases are asymptomatic. Which means we don't have a clue how many carriers are out there because there is no reason for an asymptomatic vaccinated person to be tested.
I realize I sound like a conspiracy theorist. But damn, our leaders have been wrong at every turn. We're no closer to a solution yet we still hang on their every word? No thank you.
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08-10-21 20:15 #3162
Posts: 1088Apples and oranges
Originally Posted by Jackie888 [View Original Post]
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08-10-21 17:48 #3161
Posts: 2420Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
You know that the only protection doctors and nurses have are vaccination and a mask right? No Hollywood bio-hazard suits. Just plain vanilla vaccination and a mask. In surgery, they wear a mask too. When I spray paint, I wear a mask so that I don't suck the droplets into my lungs. I also spoke to 2 physicians that are die hart Trump supporters. They told me the same thing. Had everyone wore masks, we could have stopped the Covid.
If people really care about this great country, or saving American businesses, they'd stop being a fucking pussie and wear the goddam masks and stop bitching and crying that their fucking rights are violated by private business trying to protect their livelihood.
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08-10-21 01:45 #3160
Posts: 2799Originally Posted by Dcrist0527 [View Original Post]
I have made a decision to live my life. I stopped watching the news after the election and I am much happier. They are slowly destroying are great country, it is so sad. Nobody ever talks about the devastating financial consequences if we shut down again and believe me they are trying to lock us down again. Thank God I am in Texas.
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08-09-21 21:58 #3159
Posts: 2420Originally Posted by Dcrist0527 [View Original Post]
Party on.
If you were fully vaccinated, then you are 99.99 % protected.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/less-0-01...190528863.html
If not vaccinated? Just wait till you see your health insurance premium next year.