Stupid shit in Medellin

[PVMonger]

Zeos, just like there are crazy anti-vaxxers. There are crazy pro-vaxxers. They think that natural immunity does not count which is pure bullshit. There are 34 million documented cases of Covid in the USA. It is estimated that only one in three cases were caught. So toss in natural immunity with those vaccinated, and you are in the region where herd immunity occurs.

Yes, it is terrible but only because the Colombians listened to the blowhard experts. The mayor of Bogota caught religion and finally recognized the economic hardships she was putting on people, and I am actually proud of the Colombian people who rebelled.

I think the Bogota mayor was in a power struggle with President Duque and was using the crisis for political gain. They tried to out hard ass each other. I think this is an American author bitching about the stupidity of the mayor's rules: https://thebogotapost.com/the-mayor-...ed-wolf/48738/.

Anyway, Colombia is rolling out the vaccines en masse. In three months, they will be where the USA is now. More importantly, all these bullshit restrictions are done forever this time around...

Once again, you don't have a clue.

"Lockdowns" were used to "buy time". Without any lockdowns whatsoever, hospitals would have been overrun quickly and MORE people would have died.

It is an unfortunate fact that even during a lockdown, people leave their dwellings for a multitude of reasons. During any one of these sojurns, a person could get COVID. How they get it is irrelevant. Coupled with the fact that many South Americans live in cramped quarters in multigenerational households, one person can infect 10.

Wearing masks works (buy only when everybody wears them correctly). Distancing works and so does hand washing. The combo works very well but only when it is consistent. If only 50% of the population take 50% of the precautions, everybody loses. Look at the US. Almost 600,000 people have died. Most Republicans refuse to do the right thing so everybody loses. Maybe the solution is to vaccinate only Dems and Independents and let Republicans pound sand.

To say Fauci is incompetent is, well, incompetent. You act as if he should have known everything from the get-go. In reality, he altered his position when more data was available. Since you contend that nobody should do that, I'll use YOU as an example. You must have a 6-year-old's outlook on everything because changing your mind from what you thought as a 6-year-old means that you are incompetent.

Stop watching Fox and especially Tucker Carlson. Remember that his legal defense in the slander lawsuit was that nobody in their right mind would believe anything he says. That means you.

[Paulie97]

Of course you can, but if you were intellectually honest (are you?) you would want to make a comparison with countries that have the most similar variables. I'm sure you want to point out that Sweden did better than Andorra, Czechia and Bahrain. The problem is that not all countries are equal comparisons. Using the countries that have the most similar factors makes for honest comparisons. I think they call that 'science'.

That's exactly what it's called.

[Elvis 2008]

I saw reports from Vegas in the last few days. Back to normal. Hate to throw rain on the parade. But with 30 to 50% of the people there not vaccinated (assuming the normal mix for the US) and if the variants are present there, there will be lots of Covid still to come.

Zeos, just like there are crazy anti-vaxxers. There are crazy pro-vaxxers. They think that natural immunity does not count which is pure bullshit. There are 34 million documented cases of Covid in the USA. It is estimated that only one in three cases were caught. So toss in natural immunity with those vaccinated, and you are in the region where herd immunity occurs.

As for Colombia. Terrrible dilemma and situation.

Yes, it is terrible but only because the Colombians listened to the blowhard experts. The mayor of Bogota caught religion and finally recognized the economic hardships she was putting on people, and I am actually proud of the Colombian people who rebelled.

I think the Bogota mayor was in a power struggle with President Duque and was using the crisis for political gain. They tried to out hard ass each other. I think this is an American author bitching about the stupidity of the mayor's rules: https://thebogotapost.com/the-mayor-...ed-wolf/48738/.

Anyway, Colombia is rolling out the vaccines en masse. In three months, they will be where the USA is now. More importantly, all these bullshit restrictions are done forever this time around.

The lockdowns and measures to stop these variants will be virtually impossible to follow in a place like that.

Okay, Zeos, you are Canadian and so I cannot call you a Democratic douche, but you need to keep up. This was one of the rare times the New York Times called out the CDC and got it right, https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/b...dc-number.html.

It appears to be based partly on a misclassification of some Covid transmission that actually took place in enclosed spaces (as I explain below). An even bigger issue is the extreme caution of see. The. See. Officials, who picked a benchmark — 10 percent — so high that nobody could reasonably dispute it.

That benchmark "seems to be a huge exaggeration," as Dr. Muge Cevik, a virologist at the University of St. Andrews, said. In truth, the share of transmission that has occurred outdoors seems to be below 1 percent and may be below 0. 1 percent.

So tell me, Zeos, if outdoor transmission is so rare, wouldn't locking people inside make it more likely the virus spreads? Lockdowns were not retarded. They were fucking retarded.

A more interesting thing involved social distancing. Where I saw social distancing used the most was in stores, in lines ETC, they were worthless because transmission usually involves people talking to each other for longer than 15 minutes. And where is that most likely to happen?

Well, one study showed 75% of the cases of virus were spread in the home. So if social distancing should have used anywhere, it was in the home. Social distancing may have worked but not in the way the governments employed it.

Again, we just had the Democratic douches on this forum show they are faith based, anti-scientific, arrogant blowhards that have bought hook, line, and sinker what the so called "experts" were saying at the beginning of the crisis. Don't be like them. The arrogant Democratic douche method of listening to the "scientists" is done. Right now, the Democratic douches still do not believe how corrupt and self-serving the "scientists" were. They will get it. Eventually, what is on Fox now will filter to CNN and MSNBC. The polls here already show a loss of faith in the experts by the public.

In the beginning, I thought Fauci was just an incompetent but well intentioned blowhard. I did not think he was an arrogant evil piece of shit who deserves to be put in jail. Now I do. He has committed enough perjury that he can be prosecuted. I had heard that he may have been partially responsible for the whole epidemic, but I did not really believe it. With the recently released emails, to me, it is a near certainty.

As for the Chinese, I thought any notion that they would have released the virus on purpose was totally absurd. Now looking at what happened with so many cases in the USA versus in China. I am not sure. I do not think they released it on purpose, but it is not ridiculous to say they did so. It is more accurate now IMO to say it was improbable. I am a true believer in incompetence over conspiracy, however I am seeing very clearly how China could have benefitted from releasing the virus, and I do not like it. Not at all. The Chinese Communist Party behaved horribly, and the world is catching on to how they truly behaved. The CCP has been using racism to deflect those attacks, but soon that is not going to work. We need to start looking at the CCP in the same light as we do the mafia.

[Villainy]

So I am wrong and you do not remember what it was about? Let me guess what party you are affiliated with.

It is very rare that you make one and only one coherent argument. Usually you are all over the place but the crux of the issue was that you predicted less than 80,000 deaths from CoVid in the US.

Here is a fact for you. We're over 600,000. You were wrong. I misremembered the number at issue as 200,000 that would have been ridicously wrong as well. That is what happened and my political affiliation didn't impact those facts one bit.

LOL. So I was wrong, but again you cannot remember what it was about. Really?
And you guys and this wager thing are about as consistent as no mask, one mask, two masks Fauci.

The dispute centered around the number of deaths expected from CoVid in the US. I guess the interesting part was you had your usual opinion based on whatever, but you knew you were full of it and weren't willing to back it up with a wager. No biggie. Maybe you couldn't afford the wager. Maybe you knew your opinion was full of cow droppings. Who knows what goes on inside your head.

Right you are doing the Democratic douche thing of making a statement and then going out and finding the facts that support it versus the scientific method where you collect the data first.
Actually what I said was that you could judge Sweden's failure or success based upon who you compared them to.

Now you're lying. You said Sweden would reach herd immunity very quickly and the results would show how the Elvis / Sweden approach was superior. You cited a comparison to Belgium to 'lend support' to your specious argument. Hey it's OK. I can see you never took classes in debate or statistics or logic. But why would a used car salesman take classes like that? Slinging the bull is much better, right?

Uh, Sweden was stupid and inept? That is news to me.

Well their approach to handling the virus was inept. Compare their results with those of their neighbors who took a much more cautious approach. The difference in results are striking.

Again, I could bring up countries with worse numbers than Sweden.

Of course you can, but if you were intellectually honest (are you?) you would want to make a comparison with countries that have the most similar variables. I'm sure you want to point out that Sweden did better than Andorra, Czechia and Bahrain. The problem is that not all countries are equal comparisons. Using the countries that have the most similar factors makes for honest comparisons. I think they call that 'science'.

The scientific method huh? Hey, look, Paulie agrees with you. Sorry, douche, now you are really done for.

I don't really know Paulie but if he thinks you are a windbag then I have to say I respect his judgement.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/st...stopping-covid

LOL. I was jerking your chain. You said Zero Hedge, you read Zero Hedge right?

Oh of course, I read every blog on the internet trying to find one that supports my nutty theories.

Here is the actual study done from Stanford that ZH referenced not that you will read it: https://www.outkick.com/stanford-stu...t-home-orders/.

I did read the study and a few things stand out. One it was conducted in part by the Department of Epidemiology which, of course, makes sense. I must say I'm surprised you didn't find an article authored in part by the Department of Ophthalmology. You seem to think that background is more germaine. I'm sure you glossed by this but the study was done early in 2020. I wonder if the subsequent evidence would reach the same conclusion. BTW the article also said:

""In summary, we fail to find strong evidence supporting a role for more restrictive NPIs in the control of COVID in early 2020," the study concludes. "We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures. The data cannot fully exclude the possibility of some benefits. " With a year or more of results and a better understanding of how viral infections are spread, you might want to look at The WHO recommendations instead. They are more up to date.

It turns out what Sweden did was as effective as what anyone else did.

The evidence points to a different conclusion. Are you familiar with Worldometer (or is that a Democratic conspiracy website as well?) ? You can review the results of various countries and see if you still think Sweden did an effective job.

Well, at least, we agree on one thing. You really should stop.

Sure thing bud. I'll stop. But first let me educate you on a simple fact that you haven't yet grasped. And it is an important one. Just because someone is a Democrat or a Socialist or a Leftist or whatever pejorative term you want to use, that doesn't mean they aren't smarter than you are. It doesn't mean that they aren't right. Calling someone a Democratic douche doesn't make your argument valid. If anything it suggests you have been outwitted and can't find anything but insults to validate your opinion. I'll wait for your rebuttal thesis because if there is one thing everyone here has learned. Elvis will not stop without having the last word.

[JustTK]

*thumbsup* I am in Sta Marta and it honestly feels like COVID is over. It clearly is not, but no one really cares anymore. Most people have already had the virus (suspected), so people go about their business like it is a normal day now.

People wear masks around their necks in case the police come looking for tips. Shop and restaurant staff need to wear masks to operate legally. Thats about all here now.

That's about the number I thought it was. The issue is also how communicable it is. The younger crowd wasn't getting it much during the first and second wave, but were in this third wave. Could be because more of the older cohort got vaccines first. Raising the proportions. But there is agreement that some of these variants are a lot more contagious. The simplest evidence is that they take over the cases as they have done here. Meaning that whatever measures we were taking suppressed the original version to a certain are number, and the variants had a much higher are number so within a month most cases showing up were the variants. The original is still around, and the same, but the one spreading the fastest takes over.

Anyway. My point was not to spread any misinformation, by direct numbers or implication. And the good news here is that with around 65% of the population having a least one dose of a vaccine our numbers of cases have begun to drop rapidly. We had a lot more vaccines in late April and early May, and once these have had the two weeks in arms the case rates start showing the decline in cases. We are still locked down in many ways. No inside dining, non-essential businesses not open (curbside pickup only), no outdoor dining yet. But I expect in two weeks outdoor dining will be allowed and businesses can reopen on a limited basis. Of course masks indoors, and no visiting other than your own households.

[Zeos1]

Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: https://medellinguru.com/colombia-co...us-death-rate/.

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...port.pdf?la=en.

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.

That's about the number I thought it was. The issue is also how communicable it is. The younger crowd wasn't getting it much during the first and second wave, but were in this third wave. Could be because more of the older cohort got vaccines first. Raising the proportions. But there is agreement that some of these variants are a lot more contagious. The simplest evidence is that they take over the cases as they have done here. Meaning that whatever measures we were taking suppressed the original version to a certain are number, and the variants had a much higher are number so within a month most cases showing up were the variants. The original is still around, and the same, but the one spreading the fastest takes over.

Anyway. My point was not to spread any misinformation, by direct numbers or implication. And the good news here is that with around 65% of the population having a least one dose of a vaccine our numbers of cases have begun to drop rapidly. We had a lot more vaccines in late April and early May, and once these have had the two weeks in arms the case rates start showing the decline in cases. We are still locked down in many ways. No inside dining, non-essential businesses not open (curbside pickup only), no outdoor dining yet. But I expect in two weeks outdoor dining will be allowed and businesses can reopen on a limited basis. Of course masks indoors, and no visiting other than your own households.

[JjBee62]

Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: https://medellinguru.com/colombia-co...us-death-rate/.

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...port.pdf?la=en.

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.

I'm not certain you're being entirely honest about your intentions.

If you're open to new info, why ask for it on a mongering board? A few seconds with Google will provide much more information, quicker and with the option to verify the data sources at your fingertips.

If you're trying to prevent spreading of false information, why say "No risk" when you mean "very little risk?" Why assume that death is the only risk associated with Covid?

Hospitalization is a risk. Missing a few weeks of work is a risk. Long term complications are risks. Those risks apply to everyone, regardless of age group or risk factors. They're obviously not the same for everyone, but the risks are still there.

My recommendation is to determine your own personal risks, decide which risks apply to you (for instance, if you don't work, missing a few weeks of work might not be a risk which concerns you). Then decide what you will do and where you will do it.

This avoids all the bickering about what is happening in Canada or North Korea or any place where you don't intend to go.

At least on this board, concerns should be about what is happening in Colombia.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: https://medellinguru.com/colombia-co...us-death-rate/.

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...port.pdf?la=en.

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/04/o...gtype=Homepage

[JustTK]

Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: https://medellinguru.com/colombia-co...us-death-rate/.

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...port.pdf?la=en.

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.

If you really are interested the Ontario gov't website has great stats on infections and deaths by age. I'm not interested in supporting what I said in the least as I'm not trying to win any arguments. It was merely my opinion on some risks I see in Colombia going forward, but I really really hope it doesn't get any worse than it is now.

[Elvis 2008]

Do you recall the never ending argument you had with JjBee62 just over a year ago? You were arguing whatever nonsense you were arguing

So I am wrong and you do not remember what it was about? Let me guess what party you are affiliated with.

You were dead certain that the fatalities from CoVid in the US would slow down and stop short of 200,000 deaths.

Well, JJBee, just said 80,000 but you Democratic douches are not so good with facts.

To make a gentleman's wager with you (somewhat out of place since "gentleman" is not something most of us would call you).

That you think betting on how many people dying is a "gentlemen's" wager just shows how sick you really are.

You, of course, refused to confront the wager and as is your style, prattled on in a thousand different directions.

LOL. So I was wrong, but again you cannot remember what it was about. Really?

And you guys and this wager thing are about as consistent as no mask, one mask, two masks Fauci.

You were thrilled to point out that Sweden was doing just what you recommended and they were having incredible success. Remember and to bolster the insanity of your argument you compared Sweden's results to Belgium. I asked you why you didn't compare Sweden to Norway, Finland and Denmark. Afterall the genetic makeup is similar, the climate is similar the population density is similar.

Right you are doing the Democratic douche thing of making a statement and then going out and finding the facts that support it versus the scientific method where you collect the data first.

I just heard a funny one on CNN the other day where a blowhard said, "Just because Trump said it does not mean it is wrong. " I am sure you have no problem with that.

But no you insisted Belgium was a perfect match.

Actually what I said was that you could judge Sweden's failure or success based upon who you compared them to.

For only one reason it didn't make Sweden appear as stupid and politically inept as they obviously were. Today a year later we have a much better lens to.

Uh, Sweden was stupid and inept? That is news to me.

Just view the insanity of your position.

Sweden has had over 1 million cases. Just over 10% of the population has had CoVid.

Denmark. Only about 5% of the population has had CoVid.

Norway only about 2. 3% of the population has had CoVid.

Finland only about 1. 7% of the population has had CoVid.

Again, I could bring up countries with worse numbers than Sweden.

What about when you needed to manufacture a point to support some other silly argument about how closing businesses and social distancing was a failure. Someone who was versed in the scientific method or perhaps just a rational person with common sense would say your argument about Sweden was silly and dishonest.

The scientific method huh? Hey, look, Paulie agrees with you. Sorry, douche, now you are really done for.

It's plain to see that Sweden's neighbors took actions to stop the spread of the virus that Sweden itself did not take. This while Sweden's death total (14,485) is 18 plus times that of their neighbor Norway (785) while having only double the population. This represents 1000's of needless deaths as the effective vaccines are now here. It's plain to see that Sweden's neighbors took actions to stop the spread of the virus that Sweden itself did not take.

Okay, I will bite. What did Sweden do wrong?

Forgot that?? What about when you needed to manufacture a point to support some other silly argument about how closing businesses and social distancing was a failure. Remember?

Oh, I remember all right. I am actually proud about being right about those two things.

I guess since you two douches have been watching MSNBC and CNN the whole time you have not kept on things.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/st...stopping-covid

LOL. I was jerking your chain. You said Zero Hedge, you read Zero Hedge right?

Here is the actual study done from Stanford that ZH referenced not that you will read it: https://www.outkick.com/stanford-stu...t-home-orders/.

It turns out what Sweden did was as effective as what anyone else did.

So who is following the scientific method, douche, you and Paulie / Cuomo or Stanford?

So, I'm going to stop here. Because your list of silly arguments and even sillier supporting statements are just laughable or sad.

Well, at least, we agree on one thing. You really should stop.

[Elvis 2008]

I need to add a correction. The number Elvira said the US death toll wouldn't reach was 80,000, not 200,000. I believe he said "80,000?

Oh, that you believe it is true. That I ever made the bet is something you just made up.

So the first time anyone knew about the A-Fib was when the nurse discovered it and told me. Thus ElVenous' claim that he knew about it before I did is, surprise, more absolute bullshit from him, since nobody knew about it before the nurse and I, and I didn't post about it until just a few days later.

Again, that is what you believe happened. You came on here said you were sick and rambled on about some shit that Covid was dangerous when your had a heart condition. I was not even going to say what was wrong. I actually felt sorry for your ass but when you would not shut up about Covid when you had a heart condition that had nothing to do with Covid, I had enough. I am the first person who mentioned you had a-fib on this forum not you. Got that dumb shit?

How you pull these deranged fantasies out of your ass and call me a liar is astounding. A-fib does cause blood clots to go to the brain and knock out brain cells so maybe that is it.

But there is no point in it. I do not know whether to say you are stupid, have a bad memory from a medical condition, or are full of shit, but then again, does it matter?

You are a typical Democratic douche and you value more who is speaking than what the facts are, and there is no point in having any conversation with you. I will just put you and Paulie back on ignore. Nothing you two say is worth reading anyway.

[JustTK]

I agree that the CDC fkd up. Fauci has been caught out lying so many times this past year. He should be behind bars as a mass murderer.

I am not sure how USA works, but there is no state immunity in countries where I have lived. They can be sued for malpractice, like everyone else. For example they can sued for not causing road accidents if they don't repair roads, same with pavements, same in public healthcare. I am surprised to hear this is not the case in the USA.

I am a leftist. I just think its a difficult discussion to have with USAns bcos what they understand as "leftism" is nowhere near what I think of it. .

You are right. I did not proof read what I wrote. I meant to say Leftists say we should support government no matter how stupid it is.

The CDC and FDA fucked up the early testing for Covid and no one was held responsible. If you are a leftist, you still quote and follow the CDC no matter how stupid it is.

If the CDC did not have government immunity, they would have been sued into the stratosphere for this. If you pay a company and it does not provide a service or does not please its customers, it is sued and goes out of business. When citizens pay government agencies and they fuck up, the same thing should happen.

[Elvis 2008]

I agree with some things you wrote, but this statement is patently ridiculous. Do you not have a better criticism of leftism rather than just making stuff up?

You are right. I did not proof read what I wrote. I meant to say Leftists say we should support government no matter how stupid it is.

The CDC and FDA fucked up the early testing for Covid and no one was held responsible. If you are a leftist, you still quote and follow the CDC no matter how stupid it is.

If the CDC did not have government immunity, they would have been sued into the stratosphere for this. If you pay a company and it does not provide a service or does not please its customers, it is sued and goes out of business. When citizens pay government agencies and they fuck up, the same thing should happen.

[Zeos1]

Would love to see some stats to support anything you claimed.

If you really are interested the Ontario gov't website has great stats on infections and deaths by age. I'm not interested in supporting what I said in the least as I'm not trying to win any arguments. It was merely my opinion on some risks I see in Colombia going forward, but I really really hope it doesn't get any worse than it is now.

[JustTK]

Leftism says we should worship leftists no matter how stupid they are. .

I agree with some things you wrote, but this statement is patently ridiculous. Do you not have a better criticism of leftism rather than just making stuff up?