Pattaya Reports

[Plush Tiger]

Read it for yourself at https://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/...3/E96THA01.htm.

From this link we read: "in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for money or any other benefit". The latter would make marriage and any other relationship illegal as well, since it people form couples for so many reasons including economic. Prostitution turns out as being more straightforward but the marriage is based on the same principles: exchange of goods, and services but geared towards the longer term and involving more parties (families and kids). But the tenets are almost the same for most men: securing a sex partner. Fact is that if you look well you'll find that most legislator struggle to find a definition for sex that does not apply to marriage and are more guided by moralistic principles than actual good sense and their only purpose is to try to deny the right for consenting adult to act as they please.

[MonkeyPaw]

Wrong link maybe? Doubt you were caught up in the drug and money laundering raid you linked.

I should have spaced out my thoughts and sentences. It should have looked more like this.

"Leave this for the locals. Foreigners who try this crap often will meet a pretty bad end. Thailand lures, Thailand traps, Thailand punishes, and Thailand throws you away. Anybody looking for new condominium real estate in Pattaya? Pretty much same as the Thai Go Go bar girl mentality. The mystery of the Asian Mystique solved. I've always wondered why there are so many laundry places in Pattaya.

Like I said, I post a day before and then something in the news the next day. If you look hard enough, you will get a glimpse of Monkeypaw with the captain of "brownies" during the big Treetown raid. LOL."

No way am I posting links to me with Pattaya news in ISG, haha. I hung out with some retirees last night in front of Central where the statue is and they recognized me from so many YouTube videos of Pattaya. I did not know I was in these videos. There showed me in many of the Soi 6, GoGo bars, Treetown, and Walking Street videos. Guess I'm famous in my little own indirect way. The article I posted was more of a reference to the beginning of my last post in quotes. You can probably read between the lines to why places like Walking Street in Pattaya or AC even exist for just 50 baht a kilo and next day service.

[MonkeyPaw]

I'm not shooting you. Rather educating you.

And by now everyone should know that you can find everything on the internet. Did you know that there are even websites that state the world is a globe, while it is plain for all to see the earth is flat as a pancake.

But silliness aside, the websites that state that prostitution is illegal in Thailand either have a hidden (moralistic) agenda, or have no idea what they are talking about. Thai law is clear enough however. Read it for yourself at https://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/...3/E96THA01.htm.

So I bit, clicked, and read. There was the following.

1. A given definition of prostitution which was "sexual intercourse, or any other act, or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for money or any other benefit."

2. A given punishment and a given fine for the given definition of prostitution. "Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or importunes a person in a street, public place or any other place in an open and shameless manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht."

I am not a lawyer by any means, but doesn't 1 and 2 make "prostitution not legal in Thailand." Which was all I wrote. I didn't say it was my own perspective of what I personally think what prostitution is or isn't, which some of posters are trying to say, twisting and bending words to their own personal beliefs. Which is hilarious, because it's pretty much a sex monger's words versus the Thai government. I wonder who will win? If there is a written law and correlated punishment in place and writing, I'm pretty sure then it's an illegal act. To make it more simple, so you and others can understand. If there is not a law in writing like "doing jumping jacks in public space," which there isn't, then those jumping jacks in the public are legal and not subject to arrest or fine or imprisonment. So like I said before, if there is a law on prostitution, then it's probably not legal in Thailand. I said, I'm not a lawyer, but I do have a buddy who works at Siam Legal, who told me that the phrases, "any other benefit" and "or any other place in an open and shameless manner" is subjective to the Thai police which will be always right when it comes to a foreigner coming to their country looking for cheap sex with their females.

Also there is a big difference between "AND" versus "OR" if you or anybody is referring to the whole causing a public nuisance thing. I'm not an English major or is it even my first language, but I think this part is obvious.

Plus, from personal experience. Once I grabbed a last minute, standing at the exit door, girl from Insanity in BKK, way back in 2013. She was drunk and wanted to sleep first. I wanted ST which we agreed on for 2500 and for her to leave after. There was a disagreement. I offered her 200 for taxi to go away. She wanted the entire 2500 baht. She raised hell and called the police. Officers showed up at my Paradiso Suites Soi 10 reception. She told them we had sex and I didn't pay. We did not. I was a newbie still when it came to mongering in Thailand and a bit confused. They took us both to the Lumpini police station where a high ranking officer told me in English "prostitution was not legal. " I was fined 1000 baht for a report that had to be made and let go.

And if that's not enough. For you. This is an article 'FOR" the legalization of prostitution in Thailand not with any "hidden moralistic agenda" against. But what do they know? They are just Thai professors and researchers, that's all. Lastly, I also did a quick Google search using the words "prostitution legal in Thailand. " It came up with nothing. Then I did one with "prostitution illegal in Thailand. " Big difference. Thanks for the wild goose chase. I should have stuck with my immediate intuition. Luckily, I had a shit load of time in Pattaya to do nothing but relax because Soi 6, LK Metro, and Walking Street are closed.

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30353452 "It is an open secret that, despite being illegal, prostitution is widely practised in Thailand. " (first sentence).

[Mr Enternational]

The one thing I took away was "No mask, no sex, no oral sex. " (yes, I'm sure that is negotiable).

Meanwhile, I am over here slapping my dick on chicks' foreheads and cheeks. Do not believe everything you read. Even when chicks show up to my place wearing a mask I tell them to look around at all the other people. We do not wear masks on this soi. Take that shit off.

[Mr Enternational]

Other than the one soi 6 babe refusing to meet because she's afraid, (at the beginning of the closures,) I've had no issues finding female companionship.

What the fuck man. I know this chick from the disco that works on Soi 6. Right before the closure I was on Soi 6 collecting contact info and she was all over me. A couple of days later shit closes down. I contact her to come see me and it was the same thing. This shit has been all over the news for 3 months, but you only get terrified and will not come after shit closes down. Yesterday you would have been fine with fucking, but 24 hours later no chance in hell.

[EihTooms]

I'm not shooting you. Rather educating you.

And by now everyone should know that you can find everything on the internet. Did you know that there are even websites that state the world is a globe, while it is plain for all to see the earth is flat as a pancake.

But silliness aside, the websites that state that prostitution is illegal in Thailand either have a hidden (moralistic) agenda, or have no idea what they are talking about. Thai law is clear enough however. Read it for yourself at https://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/...3/E96THA01.htm.

Yes, you have pointed out and corrected a common misunderstanding of the Thai law regarding prostitution.

It might be clearer for some to think of it this way; It is not in keeping with Thai culture to punish a lady for recieving money she needs to help herself and her family in exchange for sex or to discourage a kind gentleman friend from giving her that money for sex. But it is very much in keeping with Thai culture to punish her for making a public show or spectacle of it. And to punish anyone else for promoting and benefiting from it as a commercial venture rather than to simply provide for a personal need.

What usually adds to the misunderstanding is when we hear about police sweeps of street girls, fines and even jail time for them. But that isn't for the prostitution. It's for creating a public nuisance about it.

And consider this. In all those sweeps of the girls I don't think they ever arrest the customers chatting them up or even walking out of a nearby short time hotel with one. That certainly isn't because the Thai police are cutting us farang P4P customers some slack and don't want to cause trouble for us. It's only because the act of paying money to a consenting adult for sex breaks no Thai law.

[Wolvenvacht]

Don't shoot the messenger. I didn't say anything of my own idea. Take it up with Google, Wikipedia, and every internet article that's says "prostitution illegal Thailand." Remember, I'm just here to party.

I'm not shooting you. Rather educating you.

And by now everyone should know that you can find everything on the internet. Did you know that there are even websites that state the world is a globe, while it is plain for all to see the earth is flat as a pancake.

But silliness aside, the websites that state that prostitution is illegal in Thailand either have a hidden (moralistic) agenda, or have no idea what they are talking about. Thai law is clear enough however. Read it for yourself at https://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/...3/E96THA01.htm.

[Java Man]

The one thing I took away was "No mask, no sex, no oral sex. " (yes, I'm sure that is negotiable). But I won't be going to Pattaya for as long as that is current mantra.
https://news.sky.com/story/how-thai-...ients-12014109

That hasn't been my experience. And from the reports posted from those still here, not their experience either. They talked to a lady on Beach Rd, I've never picked anyone from there. They also talked to a LB, also not my scene. Other than the one soi 6 babe refusing to meet because she's afraid, (at the beginning of the closures,) I've had no issues finding female companionship.

[Danny Duck]

MP has to be an eternal optimist if there ever was one.

I'm not spending $4. 00 on a govt bus to get to Pattaya with nothing going on.

Even the you tubers got nothing to show but pure economic Devastation.

P.S. Govt should charge Dirt Farang twice the amount for the ride to Pattaya. Still a bargain.

[Sammyt]

Apologies if someone has already posted this. You might, or even might not, be interested in this Sky News report and video about unemployed "sex workers" in Pattaya. The one thing I took away was "No mask, no sex, no oral sex. " (yes, I'm sure that is negotiable). But I won't be going to Pattaya for as long as that is current mantra. Even if the borders were open. I really can't imagine fucking with face masks on, I'm just not into that. Looks like my dick will be staying in quarantine for several months more. LOL.

https://news.sky.com/story/how-thai-...ients-12014109

[SouthEaster]

"But now I know that if I find a gem Ill repeat, just not everyday, maybe twice a week max, if I had a bad session. " I would argue that a single bad session would automatically mean that she is not a gem, or worth repeating. Why would you?

SE.

[Allover]

Leave this for the locals. Foreigners who try this crap often will meet a pretty bad end. Thailand lures, Thailand traps, Thailand punishes, and Thailand throws you away. Anybody looking for new condominium real estate in Pattaya? Pretty much same as the Thai Go Go bar girl mentality. The mystery of the Asian Mystique solved. I've always wondered why there are so many laundry places in Pattaya. Like I said, I post a day before and then something in the news the next day. If you look hard enough, you will get a glimpse of Monkeypaw with the captain of "brownies" during the big Treetown raid. LOL.

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/crim...and-drugs-case

Wrong link maybe? Doubt you were caught up in the drug and money laundering raid you linked.

[MonkeyPaw]

"The real tragedy of the economic situation will emerge when the bars actually open in Pattaya. Everyone will be naturally delighted but the reality will be there will be minimal customers available to keep the bars running. We are already seeing this with the massage parlors trying to attract customers that are no longer in the city. This brutal reality will continue through until tourists return back into the country". It is already too late for many bars. The For Sale signs are everywhere. The rest may try to make it happen with the restrictions in place. But that's like the police giving the foreign owned bars a noose to hang themselves. Thai police love to enable foreigners to break the law.

Tourist traps like the GoGo bars and night clubs need tour groups, weekend warriors, and big spenders. What's left are retirees, pensioners, a few stranded tourists, and of course, Monkeypaw. But even I am not about to to drop 7-10,000 baht a night like I used to. The experience is not the same. However a place to drop with my friend from BKK, Molly, is welcomed. But just in case some of the bars consolidate their staff and girls, try to open up for one last run at taking what's left in our wallets before they kick us out, Monkeypaw has his game plan already written.

1. No repeats. Not even for lady drinks.

2. 2 drinks max for any new girls I barfine.

3. No more than 2500ST.

4. No tip or drinks for the mamasans.

5. No making it rain.

6. No ringing the bell.

7. No ping pongs.

8. I don't care about your birthday and pinning 100 baht to your shirt.

I have my stable of girls already on LINE ranging from 1000-2000. One is a model from What's Up. Guess this is like living the retired life for me. Cheapie Charlie me. I had a feeling that phase 5 was more a reward for the local Thais versus Outsiders.

[DazeUp]

I totally agree with you. I stayed during 1 week with a girl from a gogo for 1000 everyday! And she was very happy and loved me very much! And I didn't pay any barfine! We had great time! The only problem is when you stay with her 24/7 you need find some excuse to leave her 2/3 hours to go fuck other working girl! And I was scared she knows other girls I fuck in Patt!.

Yes, I think a lot of punters agree with this. Some girls will get clingy if you repeat with them, that's why I think most would prefer that they see the door as soon as the hour is up. Most of the girls I was with had to be given hints to leave, some were happy to quickly get dressed and see their way out as soon as the session was over. I never repeated, variety is what I'm looking for when I travel. But now I know that if I find a gem Ill repeat, just not everyday, maybe twice a week max, if I had a bad session.

[DazeUp]

DazeUp,

I don't claim to be a TF expert, but I think the point was that the girls get a lot of messages and most of them are from people who are not in Pattaya and frequently not even in the country. TF allows the user to select where they are rather than using geo-location, so people select Pattaya even though they are not here. Girls get tons of messages from guys who are not around (and frequently have little or no real plan to visit but do it for cheap thrills) so frequently ignore messages because they cannot filter the genuine interest from the idle banter.

On the subject of travel plans, may I suggest you read a piece I put on the Bangkok thread a few days ago in response to an OP who was planning an August visit http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...orts&p=2458829 . Little has changed since apart from politicians chattering about entry (with restrictions) for "businessman, experts and medical tourism" and possible travel bubbles with a very limited, but as yet undefined, list of countries.

Thank you for this post, news is changing rapidly but I think this post should be pinned until things become clear.