Madrid

[Member #4469]

Thanks for a very long report PL, sorry you seem to had a bad experience in Madrid.

I will try to answer Shark16's questions as good as I can, especially Sundays is slow at Vive and Mondays is also little more relaxed. I have never visited on a Fri-Sat due to my work so can't say if it's better lineup than say Thursday but normally Tuesday is good IMHO.

At Vive I know that some of my favorite girls don't start until midnight so I wouldn't recommend anyone to go there before 11 pm. I haven't been a frequent visiter at the other clubs for a few years so I would like someone else to comment on time to visit these clubs.

There are big differences between FKK's and "Clubs" in Spain one big thing is that in FKK's ladies are nude more or less, in Spain the girls are dressed. Second in FKK's it's relatively easy to relax between sessions in wellness areas such as swimmingpool, saunas, restaurant etc. In Spain it's often much more complicated to recuperate, but just as in FKK's when the girls recognize you as an frequent visitor they tend to leave you alone. Third, most FKK's have a expensive entrance but on the other hand you get free food, soft drinks access to saunas and swimmingpool, in Spain many clubs have free entry or small entrance with drink inc. (Barcelona excluded they are expensive) Another thing in Spain in many clubs the girls drink's are very expensive and the girls get commission on them so they frequently ask for this, could be a huge turnoff if they ask you in the room. But IMHO I think in general the girls are more aggressive and sharky in FKK's than in the better clubs in Spain.

We all have different taste in women, I like them between 20-30 years, slim with nice tits. And I love girls with latina look or even black girls so when it come down to looks I prefer going to Spain over Germany. Opposite to PussyLiccker I don't have a problem having GFE in Spain. But I would say that if you are more into EE-girls you won't find anything in Spain you can't find in FKK's in Germany.

As I wrote we all have different taste in girls, but in my book ViveMadrid have a better lineup than Artemis Berlin ever had in my visits the last seven years. I have only been to Oase once and Palace three times I thought the lineup was weak on those visits but as said only a few visits so that could have changed.

I love both FKK's and the Spanish clubs, they both have pros and cons but one does not exclude the second.

That said I will actually visit Artemis tomorrow!

[Solid State]

In my limited experience of Spain the girls indeed do come out to play at night. Late at night. And as for GFE. Try the Latinas. But then I love Latinas.

[Shark16]

Hey PL,
Thanks for a great report giving your view on the Madrid Clubs from a FKK perspective. Very interesting read.

1. Vive. Calle Marques De Viana 15, Madrid
Based on two sampling, and the mediocre sessions, the high rate is not worth it. I tried to pick the best looking ones there, and I can't call the girls real stunners as I've have seen quite a lot punting at various spots. It's the biggest and best of Madrid, but doesn't mean the LU is spectacular. Just decent.

Summary

Overall, Estark Whiskeria and Flower's seems to be worth visiting for the rate and the girls there. Luxor doesn't seem worth visiting. Vive is quite expensive, and even with highest level of optics there, can't say I'd visit again as my stats were quite low as far as the services. Didn't care to sample more given the high rate.

I realized I was quite spoiled punting in Germany, and was spoiled for looks and services, and did not think Vive was club full of stunners as been said. Best LU in Madrid, yes, but I can't say I saw real stunners there to be honest.

I know PL is a tough guy to please considering his long experience with a huge number of FKK clubs through the years. There are of course a number of very clear differences between Spanish Clubs and the German FKKs as mentioned here many times (pricing structure, service standards, facilities, nudity; just to name a few). What suprises me a little is that PL found the optics / LU just "decent" and "with no real stunners to be honest". I am trying to figure out what PL really means by that. Thus the following questions:

PL,
1. What is your subjective taste in women? How would you define a "real stunner"? What were missing in Madrid? I am thinking it is limited to age group 18- 23 (24 is too old) of white caucasians and that you have no interest in latinas. Is that fair to say?

2. Ok, we have now learnt that the Madrid Clubs are nothing to write home about with just a "decent" LU and "with no real stunners". But with all due respect, this is exactly what you are saying about 90% of your FKK visits also. So, what you are really saying is that the optics at the Madrid Clubs are just as good as the FKK Clubs (but just more expensive and with poorer service standards)? Or would you say that there are FKK Clubs out there in the last year with CONSISTANTLY better LU than the Madrid Clubs? If so, which FKK Clubs?

PFI / SH / Tox/ other Madrid experts,
1. When a FKK noobie reports of terrible LU at the FKKs during Monday / Tuesday visits, all FKK regulars smile a little as we all know these days are the girls "off days" and being very poor compared to a Friday / Saturday visits. Could we say the same about the Madrid Clubs and that the outcome of PL's visit could have been different if he had made a weekend visit? Or, what do I know, maybe at another time of year?

2. Making a club visit around 5- 7pm make sense from a FKK perspective (both day and night LU being in attendance at the same time), but maybe that is the wrong way in Madrid? What is the best time to see the full LU in a Madrid Club? 11 pm? Does it matter what time in the evening you are making a visit?

Just hoping these questions can clarify and put things in the right perspective.

[PussyLiccker]

Thanks for all the info guys. Here is my report.

I've only done club visits, and will sequence the clubs from best to worst in terms of optics level of the girls. They were Mon and Tues visits.

1. Vive. Calle Marques De Viana 15, Madrid

In the city center of Madrid. Only drink voucher for 17 Euros entry, no foods. Restaurant on the left side of the entrance if hungry. It is indeed the largest of the clubs I've visited, and the largest LU of all the clubs. Girls are dressed. Meaning dressed in dresses (I've attaced an image of give an idea of what they typically would wear).

You will see a big yellow Vive sign outside the club. Walk through the open main entrance with the bouncer standing by, and on the left is a booth to pay for entry. 17 Euros to enter, and you will be handed a drink voucher to exchange for a drink at the bar inside the club. After paying, made my way through the doors, and low and behold a quite large interior like a big warehouse sized, high ceiling ect,. There are big screens above displaying videos. Against the wall, higher level, the stage for WGs to do a strip dance every so often. One of the girls I took seems to regularly do strip dances. In the middle are two enclosed rectangular shaped bars. Around the bar are chairs, and girls and punters mingling, and drinking. On the right there is a minibar, and next to it a vip type area with a stripper pole, and couches. On that side, there will be a line of girls sitting in chairs or standing around. Others walking around trying looking for their victims. LOL.

Most of the girls I've talked to were Moldavians, Romanians, and some Latinas from Brazil. The Latinas from Brazil were well endowed with big assets (rather large tits and big asses), very vuluptious. Some above average lookers. Good number of older types, but late 20's (around 27) seems to be the avg age. Good mix as far as the color of hair shapes and sizes. Estimate Mon 80 girls and Tues more with 100.

Everybody are wearing regular clothing (Suits, casuals, etc.), and as mentioned girls wearing dressed. Below middle to middle aged crowd. You get some idea of the silhouette of the girl as the dresses are tight around the body. The girls are not really pushy, but they are trying to get you to session so, they will do what they can to get your interest up, like touching you or dancing, grinding against you, chatting you up. I didn't get any attitude from girls for refusal.

The pricing is 100 for the girl and 10 goes to the club for a 30 min session (So, 1 HR would be twice that, 220). There is a door on the same wall as the entrance on the other side, that door leads to the lockers where girls have their things. One girl got her bag out of there. And then you follow her down, and you will find the desk where you pay 110, and the girl gets her 100. Although girls prefer 1 HR rooms, 30 min seems common. The room has a shower inside, so you can shower before the session if you haven't done so already. The girl carries a card that she must charge every time to use the lights in the room. 5 Euros to charge.

I went with two girls, and service was below avg. My standards are in comparison to all my experiences in German clubs. One girl did BBBJ, and the other CBJ. At this club, didn't ask girls for their service. Didn't attempt to negotiate.

Alisa? 27 Blond Ro sporting a blue dress. More than slim, medium build, be-cups. She dances on stage from time to time so you can know her body before taking a room. She doesn't seem to mingle with the men on Mon. Friendly, but we all know that's not a sure indicator of a good session in the room. Half hour session. Pretty standard. Minimal kissing, BBBJ ok.

Anna. Dark Brunette Ro. 27 Light skinned. Skinny, A-cups. Liked her look from a distance, but closer up, you can see she didn't look as pretty faced as I thought. CBJ, wtf. Mechanical. Not worth it.

Based on two sampling, and the mediocre sessions, the high rate is not worth it. I tried to pick the best looking ones there, and I can't call the girls real stunners as I've have seen quite a lot punting at various spots. It's the biggest and best of Madrid, but doesn't mean the LU is spectacular. Just decent.

Mon, I got there around 9 which seems too early for the day. Few girls around compared to 1 when I made my way back, and saw the large crowd of men and women.

2. Flower's. Calle Rosa de Lima, 2 28290 Las Rozas, Madrid

Located far out from the other clubs on the North West of Madrid. Saw the sign for Flower's as I got close, but didn't see an obvious sign for Flower's, but I saw an entrance way on the side of the hotel with a bouncer on the table. Didn't pay entry, and walked down the stairs. Walk down the stairs, and you see the bar at the center, twice the size of Whiskeria. Like a sports bar, with soccar game on big screens on both ends. Got a drink (I believe it's required) and sat at the bar, and Nicole approached.

Session-ed with Nicole. Blond blue eye'd girl from Valencia with another friend from the same location. She proposed anal if I session with her, so I decided to try. 75 Euros including anal and BBBJ. Mechanical, and she told me 1 finish and that's it. I finished rather quickly since I was backed up a bit, but her not being a GFE, no after sex cuddling or any of that. Pretty standard mechanical session.

The room the girl takes you to is the room she stays.

There good number a Latinas there, and all shades. There is also a Japanese girl there if Asian is your thing. Optically, it's like a smaller version of Vive. Vive just has heaps of girls in comparison. Not as many as Whiskeria at peak times. Estimate 20 girls on Tues. 75 Euros pricing for girls seems to be static as I didn't run into girls that lower the pricing like Estark Whiskeria or Factory Air.

3. Estark Whiskeria. Carretera de Villaverde a Vallecas, km. 3.5, 28053 Madrid

It's part of Hotel Diana Plus which is a big one in Madrid. You park on the left parking area infront of the hotel as you enter the gate. Walk up the stairs and you will see a flashing neon sign. Flashing Estark and Whiskeria on and off. Walk though the door, and you will see the bar, and notice the smaller spaced area. On the right of the bar, the entrance way to the rooms where girls are staying at. At first, I didn't know I was obligated to buy a drink although I saw others holding a drink until a bounder told me I buy or I leave. 9 Euros for a coke. 2 Euros for Sheets, condom if you take the girl to the room. Not quite sure, but I believe you are required to buy a drink everytime you take a girl to the room? Or was it that I didn't buy a drink so they required that I buy one before I take her up? If I'm only allowed to buy one drink, not bad. I pay 2 Euros every time as the girls lower their rate there. Girl's rate offered from 50-70 Euros.

There are older girls around 30's to young ones around 20. I saw one dressed in bikini, and others wearing dress, jean shorts, etc. With tight dresses or if she is uncovering her belly, you can get an idea if she has a belly. Belly is a big turnoff for me. Estimate Mon 15 girls, 25 Tues.

Session-ed Beatrice, 20. Black haired skinny A-cup pretty faced white skinned Romy had jean shorts, and top showing off her body. She's probably the best session of the trip, which isn't saying much. Not GFE, quite inexprienced mechanical. BBBJ, pussy sliding, DFK. Believe it or not, Beatrice was the best session of the trip! Although the rate she offered was 60, she offered 1hr 100(offered CIM if I extended), and two hrs 150. But, I had no interest in continuing the mediocre session.

4. Hotel Factory Air. Avenida Gumersindo Llorente 19, Madrid 28052

Didn't pay entry both days I visited. Like the other bars, punters sitting at the bar with drinks. Didn't buy a drink. Much larger than Estark Whiskeria or Flower's. Large warehouse sized like Vive, but smaller.

Majority seems to be Romanians. Sitting along the right wall and around the bar. The left bar side consists of the older type Latinas with Romanians on the right side. There was a girl met that claiming to be Bulgarian. Estimate about 30 girls on Tuesday night.

A older type blond lady I'd estimate around 35 yrs would come by and would try to entance me for a long time despite I could not communicate with her. She offered 50 for the room. The girls didn't attract me on both visits. Estimate Mon 20 girls, and Tues 35 girls.

4. Luxor Hotel. Avenidad Andaluca 144 - Poligono La Postura - 28343 Valdemoro, Madrid

South of Madrid. Walked in and was about the size of Flower's. 10 for entry with a drink. 5 fat girls around bar on Tuesday night. The worst LU of them all. Not doable at all. Walked out in 10 min. Estimate Tues 10 girls.

Summary

Overall, Estark Whiskeria and Flower's seems to be worth visiting for the rate and the girls there. Luxor doesn't seem worth visiting. Vive is quite expensive, and even with highest level of optics there, can't say I'd visit again as my stats were quite low as far as the services. Didn't care to sample more given the high rate.

I realized I was quite spoiled punting in Germany, and was spoiled for looks and services, and did not think Vive was club full of stunners as been said. Best LU in Madrid, yes, but I can't say I saw real stunners there to be honest.

In general, no service I've received from the girls were GFE. All were quite mechanical except two that were slightly better. BBBJ seems to be on the offer commonly, but at Vive I've run into a girl that I didn't ask prior that only does CBJ.

I'm starting to get why P46 takes place at a hotel in Madrid. The girls generally stays at the hotel. There is a shower in side to wash up.

Hotel I stayed in was Hotel Mercader which was 3 min drive from Estark Wiskeria, and was good base for several clubs that were 4-15 min in vicinity except Flower's. Nice rooms at a good rate. Pain in the ass to find as my TomTom didn't recognize the address. Also, people don't speak English so getting directions was a challenge.

Calle Eje 2-7 A Poligono Alimentario Mercamadrid,18 Madrid Madrid 28053.

Ideal time to start punting for me was starting at 7 pm on most places. Estark Whiskeria, Factory Air has enough girls around that time, but Flower's I believe later. And of course Vive get's going around 11 pm I believe.

Tips for those using GPS to find the places:

Luxor hotel Madrid.

Avenidad Andaluca 144 - Poligono La Postura - 28343 Valdemoro, Madrid.

The city you should put in for the above address is Valdemoro instead of Madrid. I use TomTom and as I type it would say Avendidad De Andalucia. Vive is in Madrid, so Madrid is the city you put in.

[PayForIt]

Thanks so much for the additional information Toxeth. Also, others that has helped out.

So, I am booked for two days!

I still have some questions though, but this time regarding transportation and lodging. And, possible other places to visit.

If I'm doing Vive, and other clubs, would it make sense to rent a car? Are there parking available? Or should I do public transport? Suggestions on where to book the hotel if I want to be central to lots of clubs / casas / RLD?

Since I am doing two days, I'm looking to plan something for during the day. What do you guys suggest? I can of course check out Madrid, but I prefer to monger if possible. LOL. Are there RLD or Casas that starts up during the day?

Also, I want to check out several clubs in addition to Vive. Are there ones that open earlier?

Thanks guys,

PL.

I've seen in the FKK forums PL that you did go to Madrid, Vive, Flowers, Factory Air etc. But I can't see your report. Have you posted one? If not, would be useful to get your feedback. As you know, I put you in touch with So Happy. Who gave you lots of info. So come on my man. Let's see the report. Thanks.

[Oliver7]

Hola,

Looking for recommendations on reputable agencies / outcall girls. Most of my Madrid trips are 1 2 nights so I am looking for reliable, no drama, outcall ladies who can come to my airport hotel at late night.

I came across a few sites: Cristina's Secrets, the Madrid Escorts, and Perlas de Lanca. Anyone have any experience with them?

I prefer English-speaking girls with natural boobs, BBBJCM, and preferably rimming.

Gracias

[Oliver7]

Hola,

Looking for recommendations for reliable / reputable agencies for high quality outcall girls. Most of my trips to Madrid is one or two-night so I am looking for reliable, no drama girls who speak decent English and can come to an airport hotel at late night.

I saw many agencies advertise their girls as students or models and only available after 4 pm or so. What are the pros and cons of going with these "part time" providers?

Is BBBJ and / or rimming on the standard menu, or need special request?

Some hotels require key for elevator. How do people usually deal with this type of situation?

Gracias

[EscortInTime]

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[So Happy]

Hello all,

Brand new member on this site, I will be in Madrid next week for my work and I plan to go the Vive club one evening based on positive feedback I can read.

That will be my first time in such club. I have a few questions. Maybe some of you that have been already to the Vive can help answering:

- Do most girls have fake boobs? Cause I just like natural ones.

- Are they all or almost all shaved? I prefer with some hair (even if it is not a lot).

- Do they usually accept anal?

- Do they usually accept j. O. On face?

In summary, how can I find "my" perfect girl that will match criteria above (if she exists) among so many girls?

Thanks for your help!

Never done a silicone count, but I'd guess that only about 30% have fake boobs, most are natural. You would NOT be happy at FKK Artemis in Berlin!! LOL.
They are all shaved and I would guess that a big majority (80%?) will be completely shaved i.e. no hair at all.
Most Romanians don't do anal, most Latinas will; it may involve an extra fee.
A lot will be happy for you to COF.

Finding your perfect girl is easy. Just talk to them and they will tell you what they have to offer and make a clear deal, with cost, before you cross the threshold! You do not need to be shy or reserved about it, but two good tips for a first timer. Don't tell them that it is your first time (at least not your first time to a club like Vive) and tell them that you have recently moved to Madrid. Tip 1 will make them much less inclined to try to rip you off and tip 2 will encourage good service, as they will hope that you become a regular. As they will often lie through their teeth to entice you upstairs and while they are on the job (oooh, you're the biggest that I have ever had, oooh, you are so handsome, oooh, you really know how to please a women, oooh, I've just cum for the first time here!). So you should be a little disingenuous to achieve the desired result.

Have fun and make sure that you report back.

[NicolasCool]

Hello all,

Brand new member on this site, I will be in Madrid next week for my work and I plan to go the Vive club one evening based on positive feedback I can read.

That will be my first time in such club. I have a few questions. Maybe some of you that have been already to the Vive can help answering:

- Do most girls have fake boobs? Cause I just like natural ones.

- Are they all or almost all shaved? I prefer with some hair (even if it is not a lot).

- Do they usually accept anal?

- Do they usually accept j. O. On face?

In summary, how can I find "my" perfect girl that will match criteria above (if she exists) among so many girls?

Thanks for your help!

[PacificRim]

Calle Montera is similar to every other city centre RLD in the world where you take the girl to a nearby room or apartment; keep your eyes open, don't flash the cash or rolex, don't do anything stupid and all will be okay. There will always be a few scammers, but don't pay in advance (until you're actually in the room), etc.

I don't want to throw a wet blanket on the party, and I generally agree with your assessment that if you're vigilant all will be well. But I had one bad experiene.

A few years back I visited a brothel up in the Gran Via area and was walking Calle Montera to Puerta del Sol and then on to my hotel. It was about 2 am, not particularly late for Madrid, and a SW was quite aggressive with me, touching me all over in what seemed like an effort to locate a wallet or the like. In the process she did locate the cash I had in my pocket. I generally don't mind this kind of pawing from a SW but as I had just left a nice session I wasn't interested in what the SW was offering. I eventually got away and melted into the crowd at Puerta del Sol. When I left to walk down a side street toward my hotel I was visciously attacked, choked and robbed. I have no direct evidence, but I'm sure the SW and the mugger were operating together. The choking nearly did me in, and greatly reduced my enthusiasm for staying in Madrid. The next morning I rented a car and left for the Rioja.

Pac.

[Solid State]

I also drove to Calle Gran Via, easily found underground parking nearby and then strolled around enjoying the tourist sights of the city and also sampling the numerous SW's that can be found on Calle de la Montera between Gran Via (MacDonald's on the corner) and Puerta del Sol. Great times, and they are there all hours of the day.

I knew I was missing something on my visit to Madrid. I was driving around the industrial area in Vila Verde to the south of the city were I thought all of the girls were. I will be sure to check out the girls towards the centre on my next visit. Anywhere else I have missed guys?

[So Happy]

So, I found this online regarding the RLD in Madrid. What kind of troubles are possible at these places?

http://www.georgethomasclark.com/?p=2489

Calle Montera is similar to every other city centre RLD in the world where you take the girl to a nearby room or apartment; keep your eyes open, don't flash the cash or rolex, don't do anything stupid and all will be okay. There will always be a few scammers, but don't pay in advance (until you're actually in the room), etc.

Villaverde is in an industrial area outside the city centre and is truly awesome for the selection of chicas and their state of undress. Refer to my previous report. I have been there several times and only 1 hassle with a young Romanian gypsy who called her pimp at the start of the action, so the session ended quickly, but there were early warning signs that I had stupidly ignored. You basically do the business in an open parking area about 100 metres away from where they stand, which is a little surreal but also quite titillating. Highly recommended if you're into that sort of adventure.

In summary, I have found that, over the last 20 years or so, all forms of mongering in Spain are very safe and common sense avoids most problems.

If you need, I have the tel number of a stunning Romanian SW at Villaverde that reveals her magnificent breasts as she entices her clients, and also of Jordanian Nancy at Flowers (Barbie looking stunner, massively sexy) who basically gave me one of the best punts of all time. PM me if you want them.

[PussyLiccker]

So, I found this online regarding the RLD in Madrid. What kind of troubles are possible at these places?

http://www.georgethomasclark.com/?p=2489

Yes. The girls look for foreigners. They say twenty-five Euros but theyre not going upstairs for that. When theyre talking to men, their chulos (pimps) are watching, and theyll follow them and rob them if they can. Watch out for those guys. Sometimes, when the girl and the guy are in her room, shell slip him a pill with a kiss that knocks him out and when he wakes up his money, credit cards, and passport are gone.

I asked another taxi driver, Does that really happen?

It can happen, but not much. There are much tougher areas than Calle Montera. One is called Villaverde. Women are on the street twenty-four hours a day.

[PussyLiccker]

So Happy, you the man! Surely look into your recommendations. Thanks.