Phnom Penh

[SouthEaster]

OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?

[RakSopheni]

Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.

These are all solid suggestions thanks Sam. I think that there's just no way around the work that the whole process requires and that's really what I'm having a problem with. So many hot girls walking around here- but only a fraction of them are really available for you and its a time and money intense process trying to determine who is who.

RS.

[RakSopheni]

If I hadn't already pre-paid my hotel in cash I think I probably would be booking a flight to the Philippines right now. Two more bad days has me realizing that coming from 3 weeks in Pattaya my expectations need to be tempered big time. This is not a point and shoot location, although what is perplexing me is just how easy and amazing it was 3 years ago. It's almost like a different city. Maybe its me who has changed.

I've been hanging out with my provider form 3 years ago who I no longer find sexually attractive- called her over for a BJ one rainy Sunday night and ended up just talking- which was nice, and then hung out and drank with her again last night at her friends / families restaurant / shop. She's more like a romantic friend- I kiss her and hold her, tell her my troubles with the scene here, but am not interested in sex with her.

The other development was a terrible trip to Cyrcee Secret Bar- a closed door bar up 130 past Norodom, and the only bar in Phnom Penh that I'm aware of where all the girls are a sure thing (I don't do soapies, messages etc so am not counting those). I pulled a great girl from there 3 years ago and had a good memory of the place. Part of the problem is that I'm going out with the expectation that I need to and will shoot my shot, and this forces some bad decisions. For example, I walk in and a couple of girls are on me instantly, I scan the room, the only really ok girl is staring at her phone and has no interest in me, so I consider one of the girls on my arm. I try to think in my mind if I can get it off with her and imagine positive things about her body under that strangely revealing dress. Her face is not so bad. In hindsight this is all wishful thinking. After I pay the bar $20 for drinks plus bar fine, $10 for the short time hotel, and commit $40 to her, and we are up in a small room and her clothes come off as I sit on a chair trying to get it up. Her body was just awful and my heart sinks one more time as she starts to suck my dick and I realize it's just not going to happen and I just smoked $70. After a few minutes I call it, throw her the cash, put my clothes on and am out the door, leaving her feeling rejected and ugly I'm sure. Total waste.

Lest anyone reading this think that the problem is some whiny dude with chronic ED, please go back and read my Pattaya reports from the previous 3 weeks in which I am having sex multiple times a day with 2, sometimes 3 girls in one day. Perhaps the obvious problem is that I am treating Phnom Penh as Pattaya and my expectations are severely miscalibrated. Hopefully some honesty is helpful as well- all too often the forum becomes some sort of unrealistic fantasy-scape in which every poster has TT Boy stamina and Peter North cumshots and it becomes a bit much. I might be guilty of this at times. Negative reports are just as useful as positive.

Moving forward I am shifting my strategy- I am no longer going to be going out with the expectation of sex, but with the intent really just to meet potential girls that might satisfy my specifications and might be available at some point for a session- rather than looking to shoot my shot right that night. It's going to be a lot of work making my way through what seems like hundreds of Hostess Bars on 136,130 and 118 drink by drink- but I think that's the only way. More often than not it seems that the girls are just there for the drink money and aren't really providers.

Once again, any board members that can help me hack this scene, and advice is appreciated. I'm only here for a week or so but I don't want it to be a total loss.

In case it's not already clear, Phnom Penh is not Pattaya.

RS.

[MrClen]

Like the go-go and freelance bars in Thailand, none of the damsels are required to go with a specific customer. Just as the customer is not obligated to buy a drink for a dancer / hostess. My experiences in Phnom Penh hostess bars has be from barely acceptable to fantastic.

Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.

Good luck.

Sam.

I am an older guy and greatly prefer the KTV type experience where you can really get to have some fun, and have rarely been disappointed. The massage HJ is, for me, a real waist of time unless a good veggie message is what I want. My only 2 KTV visits in PP were great where the girls did not wear panties and little was off the menu. BBFS was no problem as was BJCIM. Never tried the bar street except to get something to eat. Stayed at NAGA World.

[Sam Sanuk]

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I'm trying to develop a strategy for dealing with Phnom Penh Hostess Bars which are unique from Pattaya generally in that there is no obligation for the girl to go with you for short time. In fact many of these girls have never been with a man and essentially act as eye candy to draw in pikers. This presents a problem because you usually need to buy them a drink to discover this information, and this can drain time and money. Not only that I'm getting the suspicion that in this environment where many of the girls are inexperienced, any sex that you do manage to have will be something of a learning experience for the lady- which for me is not terribly satisfying. I'm going to give it a full week of effort to see if I can crack this nut- but any suggestions from the board would be helpful. I will say there are many many ladies, many of them young and quite attractive, and very few punters around. Which, again, is deceptive because really only a fraction of these girls are for the taking.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

RS.

Like the go-go and freelance bars in Thailand, none of the damsels are required to go with a specific customer. Just as the customer is not obligated to buy a drink for a dancer / hostess. My experiences in Phnom Penh hostess bars has be from barely acceptable to fantastic.

Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.

Good luck.

Sam.

[RakSopheni]

I arrive at my hotel near Riverside at around 19:00 a bit tired, hungover and with a headache. That morning I triple teamed a z-pak, doxycycline, and ciprofloxacin just to root out any devious bacteria that might be silently lurking after 3 weeks tearing through Pattaya BB and it's making my head swim, some nausea and affecting my libido. Phnom Penh rush hour is not great either.

I've been messaging a provider I had a great experience with 3 years ago pre-pandemic who I also recently found on social media. At some point in the interim she stopped posting pictures of her body (which was hot) and now we just see shots of her face in tik tok videos singing sad songs and FB posts about being alone. She seems sad. Nevertheless I have this idealized image of her because of our amazing sex 3 years ago and so arrange to meet at her bar on 130 street. I dash through the rain and there she is, 3 years later. Same person, but yes she has gained some weight and now is not really doing it for me. We have an awkward drink- her personality was also much sexier 3 years ago. She- of course- did not remember me as I'm probably just one face, one dick, in a sea of anonymous sex that all blurs into one undifferentiated continuum. I tell her I just wanted to meet and will not be taking her back, she says that she's fine but I can tell she's a bit sad, especially because I expressed interest in the very young and hot girls slinking around the bar. I had to ask them and "no" they do not go with men "only drink". Looked a bit young in any case.

After a brief rest I'm back and this time on 136 street. I figure I will start at the top and work my way down to Riverside and so I walk up to the first group of presentable ladies on that end and choose one for a drink. She's 20, from a remote area of Cambodia, and speaks no English. Through google translate I also learn she is very new and inexperienced and seems a bit nervous. At first she says she doesn't do boom boom, but after a drink and my gentle persuasions, she seems up for the idea of yum yum. I made the mistake of asking a mamasan (or mamasan adjacent staff) to come sit with us and have some drinks. These drink bills really really add up my dudes. I always have the instinct to be generous and have a little party but my face always melts when I look at the drink bill alone, not even counting the barfine or ST rate.

At any event, the young lady agrees to give it a try for 50 USD. I think the barfine was around 12 USD, and we are soon back in my hotel. This girl is very beautiful and young, a kind of innocence exudes from her- which is great and everything but doesn't really do it for me so much. We take it slow and ease into a gentle blowjob- which is ok and it's nice to see such a beautiful woman down there, but I really need that hot action, eye contact, etc- so I'm only at ¾ mast. On the bed I give her a couple of fingers which she really really seems to enjoy and she continues the BJ a bit. I try to finish on her face, but she looked like she really didn't want it, and it's super hard for me to finish in those conditions so I just give up after a while. Didn't get around to sex or anything but I got the feel that BBFS was on the table if we had. I'm sure another man would've been banging her silly, but I respond to these non-verbal queues and really need it to be a collaboration not a lesson. I knew this was the risk in taking a new, young, inexperienced girl- but so be it. We have some nice pillow talk and she is on her way $50 richer, pondering if maybe she should go with men more and start making some real money.

I'm starting to feel a bit sicker- my head is swimming- but I'm also frustrated that I haven't shot my shot yet. I resolve to go to a bar and just have a beer- so I chose one right by my hotel. Of course a lady inside forces the drink issue- I tell her I'm not interested and just want a beer and she says she understands, but somehow end up buying her a beer. I try to ask her questions about the Hostess Bar scene and get some info, but honestly she's not very useful. I tell her I'm sad because I haven't shot my shot yet- and she pulls over a cute girl, petite with large breasts and says this girl could help me out- that she really knows what she's doing in the BJ category and would be happy to allow a finish in mouth. In my inebriated state I start to think this might be a good idea and just what I need. I hold up a $50 which she snatches from my hand and says lets go to your hotel. I'm not sure why I allowed this- I think I probably was visibly drunk and also feeling sick.

It's at this time as we walk out the door I realize this girl is walking with some sort of scoliosis limp and is not a fully abled person. My stomach sinks as I realize I just agreed to ST with what Americans would call a handicap person. At that point it seemed like it was a done deal so I just rolled with it, still clinging to the hope I could shoot my shot. Up in the room, things get even worse when it turns out that the promises made by the other girl prove false, that this girl is actually a nanny- she's only worked at the bar 1 week, has never gone with a man, and has not sucked a dick in years. Nevertheless I give it the old college try but in between her giggles and me fully realizing I'm having a handicap person give me a blowjob- any blood that might've been in my dick slowly drains away leaving a limp little jelly worm in its place. Sitting in a chair I slump over her, and she somewhat rescues the situation by giving me an amazing head massage, and then we go to the bed and gives me an amazing back massage. I ask her about her life and she sympathizes with me. So not a total loss because it was very relaxing- but clearly I made a terrible, terrible choice in a moment of weakness. Good story though.

I'm trying to develop a strategy for dealing with Phnom Penh Hostess Bars which are unique from Pattaya generally in that there is no obligation for the girl to go with you for short time. In fact many of these girls have never been with a man and essentially act as eye candy to draw in pikers. This presents a problem because you usually need to buy them a drink to discover this information, and this can drain time and money. Not only that I'm getting the suspicion that in this environment where many of the girls are inexperienced, any sex that you do manage to have will be something of a learning experience for the lady- which for me is not terribly satisfying. I'm going to give it a full week of effort to see if I can crack this nut- but any suggestions from the board would be helpful. I will say there are many many ladies, many of them young and quite attractive, and very few punters around. Which, again, is deceptive because really only a fraction of these girls are for the taking.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

RS.

[Banana Boi]

There are girls parading around the casino downstairs and several of them group at the bar of the casino (part of the hotel).

Is Darling Darling still open? What about the massage places above the casino? What are their current prices of both?

[Chop]

Could you suggest few good places like the one you mentioned.

Any of the massage shops within the first couple blocks of the river plaza. Say from St 118 to St 154 ish. The tell is older women women working. Massage shop staff tend to be all youngsters or all older past their prime gals. The young ones look better but they ask more, and for my money the older ones are just plain better at it anyway. Also you usually get a decent massage. Fat chance of that with the young ones. For the record, the one I posted about was on St 148. Don't remember the name. I think it's the only one on 148 between the river and that rats nest of a market.

Careful trying this at shops outside the river district. I didn't, but I know from Thailand that a lot of the massage shops staffed by older women are not hand job joints. I would assume the same is true for the shops in the less sketchy parts of PP but again, I didn't try.

Messaging is not available. Otherwise I would have DM.

Yeah, no DMs for me. Sorry.

[PayForIt]

Hi Friends,

Can someone confirm if Nagaworld hotel is Girl Friendly? Any restrictions .

Thanks.

Mitian.

It is friendly. There are girls parading around the casino downstairs and several of them group at the bar of the casino (part of the hotel). So you may not even need to venue into town if you see someone you like. Though be warned. They are significantly more expensive than picking up girls in the girlie bars in town. Tuk Tuk to 136/130 is cheap and I have taken 2 girls back from pool bars to the hotel, even taken them into the casino, bought them drinks then up to the room despite it being very clear (from dress) that they are working girls. The hotel is split into Naga 1 and Naga 2 - not a lot of difference. I preferred 1 than 2 (fitness centre). Very unlikely you will have any issue on reception taking girls back.

[Mitian 1994]

Hi Friends,

Can someone confirm if Nagaworld hotel is Girl Friendly? Any restrictions .

Thanks.

Mitian.

[SGK45]

Could you suggest few good places like the one you mentioned. Lot of mongers do not haggle and pay more than they should. This is a bad trend in whole Asia. At this rate it will be cheaper to travel Amsterdam than travelling to Asia. Messaging is not available. Otherwise I would have DM.

PP is alive and kicking. Can't compare it to pre-covid as it's my first time here, but the bars in the river district are open. Plenty of cute young (legal!) girls but not so many customers. I asked the girls at the bar across from my hotel last night (a Friday night), and it was 7 girls working. 3 inside with only one customer and 4 outside trying to tout me in. All four were well doable but as you'll see, I set the bar a bit low. YMMV. I got nothing further to share on the bar front as it's not my scene, but I can report it looks good from the street.

Went in for a massage earlyish in the evening. Wanted an actual decent massage so picked a place with older gals. They age pretty well in this part of the world. Good enough for a HJ and like I said I was really after a legit massage as priority one anyway. My choice turned out to be a pretty decent masseuse, so mission accomplished. The HJ finish quickly turned to BBFS, which I was cool with. Total damage: $12 US for the massage and $20 for the pussy. That's a little on the high side for the massage, but on the low side for the pussy. Call it the past her prime discount, but past her prime was still plenty good enough to get the job done.

[Playboy2021]

Hope that helps.

Very helpful. Thank you much. Guess I'm headed to SEA! Be well.

[RakSopheni]

I read through your historical forum posts and note 1) you have traveled through South America & Caribbean and 2) look for BBFS with spinners. Based on your experience, do you think Thailand / Cambodia / Philippines is worth the travel headache vs. Sticking with Medellin for example?

I've spent a lot of time in South America & Caribbean as well and don't have trouble finding BBFS. Trying to figure out if a long, expensive trip to Asia is worth it. Appreciate your thoughts.

Hey Playboy,

I won't to go too long in my answer because the subject is not directly related to Phnom Penh, but it does include it in a general sense so I think it's OK.

I took a look at your post and saw you are a mid-thirties guy, probably could get good sex without any "help" so YMMV.

Like you said, I've spent a significant amount of time in Colombia, Caribbean and Brazil seeking BBFSCIP, CIM with petite spinners and I would say the short answer is LATAM is very sub-standard to SEA in that respect. It's possible to find those things there (LATAM), but unless you play the long SA game, want to pay extra with Centro and SF streetwalkers, its really hard to get anything more than a BJ uncovered. I mean it does happen, but it's rare and costly and doesn't flow naturally. You say its no problem for you, so maybe we have a different experience.

On the flipside, I'm having and have had amazing BBFSCIP, CIM in SEA on a daily, sometimes 2 girls a day for a reasonable price. The only reason I was mongering in LATAM is because SEA was closed 2020-2021. Now that things are up and running again it's doubtful I will return (maybe Rio but that's it). All the guys on the MDE forum fighting over Centro girls, and freezing your butt off in Bogota to try to score some 18 yr old Vennie for BBFS for 10 minutes now seems sort of sad too me.

The reason to monger exclusively in LATAM would be if you have a fetish for this Latinas, anal (in Brazil), speak fluent Spanish or Portuguese and or the cost and time to come to SEA is prohibitive to you.

Hope that helps.

RS.

[Chop]

Went out again last night (Sunday), and feel like I need to revise my previous report of "alive and kicking," from Friday night. It's alive, but things were substantially more subdued. Maybe because of the election, I don't know, but definitely slower than Friday. At least half of the businesses were closed. Still more providers than customers--and yes there are plenty of spinners in there for you picky guys--so don't be discouraged. Just not the same wide open feel I reported a few days ago.

[Playboy2021]

I'm currently in Pattaya, coming to Phnom Penh next week and looking forward to writing some reports for the forum. I was last in PP in 2019, it will be interesting to see how things have changed.

I read through your historical forum posts and note 1) you have traveled through South America & Caribbean and 2) look for BBFS with spinners. Based on your experience, do you think Thailand / Cambodia / Philippines is worth the travel headache vs. Sticking with Medellin for example?

I've spent a lot of time in South America & Caribbean as well and don't have trouble finding BBFS. Trying to figure out if a long, expensive trip to Asia is worth it. Appreciate your thoughts.