Bangkok Reports

[Zman429]

There's no longer an ample supply of working girls in Thailand. Demographics have shifted massively and permanently. Fertility rate has been under 2 children per woman since 1992 (affecting the number of women under 30 now in 2022), compared to the 5+ in the early 1970's (women under 30 back in 2000's). Incomes have also risen significantly, to the point where a typical salary, even on the low end, is sufficient to live on without freelancing part-time.

The difference is stark, but the industry started off huge, there was plenty of inertia, and many punters were refusing to see the changes. For almost a decade, we've seen attrition with very few new faces, but many of the older providers hanging on. This was apparent everywhere, but most obvious in oilies like Tulip.

This situation was dire well before Covid, and the pandemic won't make it better. I just don't see where the large supply of girls would come from. Perhaps the economic crisis brewing in Laos (nearing a breakdown) would send a few working girls over the border, but that won't last long and is unlikely to have large effects down in Bangkok.

Meanwhile, there's no shortage of punters, so with the full reopening, it's only natural to expect prices to go up, and quality way down. At one point, I guess they'll stop coming..

Hmm well at the moment I'm not having any problem finding available ladies at good prices.

[JimboCojones]

I may be a new poster here, but have been using Fiwifans a fair bit. Most of the time I can work out what the google translations are referring to, such as the "split / break mouth", but one phrase that I have seen several times is girls refusing to accept "pearl inlay". Can MaxBkk or anyone else help as to what "pearl inlay" is referring to.

Can you send me the word in Thai and I can help you.

[Crocodilexp]

Personally I don't see the point of traveling to BKK as long as things remain as they apparently are. So, is this the end of BKK as a major girly entertainment destination? Maybe. I would have thought that after a 2 year hiatus the girls would have flocked back to the Go Go's and a huge supply would create demand. Apparently not. But until there is a ample quality supply of girls around, I doubt punters in large numbers will return and demand will remain low. It sounds like BKK is in a depression.

There's no longer an ample supply of working girls in Thailand. Demographics have shifted massively and permanently. Fertility rate has been under 2 children per woman since 1992 (affecting the number of women under 30 now in 2022), compared to the 5+ in the early 1970's (women under 30 back in 2000's). Incomes have also risen significantly, to the point where a typical salary, even on the low end, is sufficient to live on without freelancing part-time.

The difference is stark, but the industry started off huge, there was plenty of inertia, and many punters were refusing to see the changes. For almost a decade, we've seen attrition with very few new faces, but many of the older providers hanging on. This was apparent everywhere, but most obvious in oilies like Tulip.

This situation was dire well before Covid, and the pandemic won't make it better. I just don't see where the large supply of girls would come from. Perhaps the economic crisis brewing in Laos (nearing a breakdown) would send a few working girls over the border, but that won't last long and is unlikely to have large effects down in Bangkok.

Meanwhile, there's no shortage of punters, so with the full reopening, it's only natural to expect prices to go up, and quality way down. At one point, I guess they'll stop coming.

Plenty of places were mongering meccas for a while, but withered due to various factors, usually demographics and increasing wealth of the locals, coupled with some significant event. I hear 1988 Olympic Games killed mongering for foreigners in Seoul and SARS in 2003 killed foreigner bars in Hong Kong. Thailand is here now, unfavorable background trends plus a major event. Now, mongering will never disappear (it still exists in both Seoul in HK), but it might change to be smaller and mostly for locals, no longer worthwhile for most visitors, especially long-distance ones.

[Crocodilexp]

The street action in China Town just off Yaowarat Road is famous. The quality is very low as is the price.

The looks are bad, but no worse than Sukhumvit road these days, with the benefit of fewer ladyboys and some daytime action. The service, however, is truly abysmal.

[Member #4753]

There is no quality, per SE.

Agreed, Lots of 1's, 2's & 3's. Never seen anything over a 5.

[EihTooms]

I went last Friday-Sunday to nana plaza. Some decent looking girls at Spanky's / Rainbows / billboards on Friday, more on Saturday, less on Sunday. I bar fined my first girl and she said 2500 was only if I used one of the rooms at Nana Plaza, if going to my hotel it would take longer would need another 500 baht which I paid. Idc much as I was previously considering 6 k+ baht freelancers. But is this actually a thing or I got hustled?

My hotel wasn't that far either, maybe a 5 minute walk.

If I'm willing to spend 10 k baht on the hottest girl I can find, where do you all suggest I go? I was considering Black Caviar or Maria but not sure if they'd actually be hotter than some of the hotter girls I've seen at Nana Plaza. I was surprised to see that there were a good number of girls at Nana hotter than the freelancers I found advertising on massage republic or even the agencies, of which their pictures are heavily shopped anyways..

I don't think you got hustled at a 2,500 baht (to the girl) rate as long as you got what you wanted or negotiated for in the bar. I get the upfront agreement for BBFS+CIP I want for 2,000 - 2,500 baht (paid to the girl after) plus barfine (paid in the bar upfront) most of the time.

But regarding the bit about her insisting on using a Nana Plaza short time room or you pay an additional 500 baht to take her to your hotel, I can't say I have encountered that. Then again, it usually comes out in our bar chat that I live very nearby and I have a motorbike parked at curbside for a quick ride to my apartment and likely back to NP as well. So that might be why the NP short time room is not insisted upon with me.

However, I will say that many Nana Plaza bars are nutty about keeping as many girls in the bar or close by for quick return on Friday nights these days, maybe slightly less so on Saturday nights.

As has been mentioned by many, those are the biggest customer nights while the rest of the week can be rather dead, many of the better girls not even bothering to show up Sunday. Wednesday. So if the night you took the girl was Friday or Saturday, especially after 9:30 pm or so, that would have been peak customer times for the whole week and the bars want as many hands, feet, faces and butts on deck as possible. Of course, the girls want to be there for the potential flood of Lady Drink commission income as well.

[Chimpo Chinn]

The street action in China Town just off Yaowarat Road is famous. The quality is very low as is the price.

There is no quality, per SE.

[Member #4753]

So I would not want to venture in this area but if you are some one on a very tight budget or some one who would like these kind of WGs you can try venture around the China town night market.

The street action in China Town just off Yaowarat Road is famous. The quality is very low as is the price.

[JLactin]

I went last Friday-Sunday to nana plaza. Some decent looking girls at Spanky's / Rainbows / billboards on Friday, more on Saturday, less on Sunday. I bar fined my first girl and she said 2500 was only if I used one of the rooms at Nana Plaza, if going to my hotel it would take longer would need another 500 baht which I paid. Idc much as I was previously considering 6 k+ baht freelancers. But is this actually a thing or I got hustled?

My hotel wasn't that far either, maybe a 5 minute walk.

If I'm willing to spend 10 k baht on the hottest girl I can find, where do you all suggest I go? I was considering Black Caviar or Maria but not sure if they'd actually be hotter than some of the hotter girls I've seen at Nana Plaza. I was surprised to see that there were a good number of girls at Nana hotter than the freelancers I found advertising on massage republic or even the agencies, of which their pictures are heavily shopped anyways.

Thanks in advance.

[BHawk]

That could be an option, looks like there are quite a number of cheap hotels around the airport. I can have outcall even if it is just for a few hours. Distance wise, I am not sure if these girls are willing to travel to the area near the airport.

Has anyone tried it?

Ha. My last flight out was late 4 hrs. Asked my fav smooci girl to come out and share the waiting time with me in the terminal hotel and she did. I remember I had the taste of her pussy still on my lips as I went through security.

Will repeat. Great for sleeping through the flight home.

[Ggekko2009]

Best thing to do is to call up a nice outcall massage service like similan or 66 leelathai or fairyland and book a girl for 2 hours, she will do excellent massage and all extras. It is very relaxing and with no hassles, the time can be extended if you like.

That could be an option, looks like there are quite a number of cheap hotels around the airport. I can have outcall even if it is just for a few hours. Distance wise, I am not sure if these girls are willing to travel to the area near the airport.

Has anyone tried it?

[LuvMe17]

So I am in bkk for more than 15 days now and have tried most of the things I wanted to and drained my balls to my hearts content, then I met this local guy who became my friend and took me to another Red light district which to my knowledge is not very popular on this forum at least. It had a lot of freelancers on the Road and spoke only thai they knew not a word of english and most of the men around were thai. Most of the girls were average looking and some below average but there were a few good ones too. The best thing about this area was that it was really cheap. Girls would ask 600 tb for st and shot time hotel would cost only 150 tb, I personally dint liked it much as the quality of girls in genral was bad, they seemed to be uneducated girls from near by villages and I am sure they were not very keen on maintaining a good personal hygiene. So I would not want to venture in this area but if you are some one on a very tight budget or some one who would like these kind of WGs you can try venture around the China town night market.

[Goferring]

The industry badly needs to reinvent itself as the current model is dying.

I realise I'm comparing apples to oranges but I read a news article recently at home showing that the whole night club industry is on the verge of collapse with many, once booming, venues closing. Covid has had a devastating affect recently but structurally Gen Z are no longer turned on by going out to drink to excess, reports of violent altercations nor low strike rates of face to face hook up attempts. These have been replaced by day time cafes with friends and online hook up aps.

I can see similar situations rolling out through Asia's red light area as well. There is no denying the effect of internet options. Many girls simply no longer need the dramas or embarassment of working in bars, seedy massage joints etc.

Enjoy. G.

[LuvMe17]

OK, this is a long shot but here I go.

A year or so ago I was browsing You Tube on Bangkok and some dude was referring to an area in Bangkok known as Bangkok's second RLD. I for the life of me can't remember the name of the area he was referring to, and the video has since been deleted. A Google search didn't reveal much at all.

Can any BKK expert out there take a guess to which area he might have been referring to? Thanks.

Which one was the 1st RLD? If its NANA / sukumvite then 2nd can be patpong.

[Lefeu]

Does anyone know if Lolitas or Kasalong is now open again?

I was there in Bangkok 2 weeks ago, and I think I saw both of them open. We are talking about the BJ bars in the alley off soi 8, right?