Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Kuni042]

Yes, being an island or a totalitarian system obviously help. I would still maintain, one could have created pseudo-islands in Europe. It could have saved 100 K and more lives. And so much economic well-fare.

Unfortunately the harsher the lockdowns the better they destroy the economy also. And they work better if the population has some discipline, with some good social welfare, and if they're used early and in short bursts.

And in the case of new Zealand and Australia living, they're islands so that can help.

Well UK is an island too but it's ruled by a clown and I guess travelers come and go from the continent. And the density is not the same.

[Kuni042]

I don't dispute your argument. - Yet I am sure that your numbers are also considered. The point of reporting the one number to the masses is that they got used to it.

Politics is likely driven by quite a few other numbers and considerations. And I still agree it is all shitty politics. I totally share your frustrations.

And yes, current direction maybe to remain having FKK and disco clubs closed for a long while.

Then explain me the 'logic' behind the Inzidenzwert, and why this is not a percentage of the number of tests, but instead a fixed number of 'positive cases' per 100000 inhabitants?

tests = 'cases,' and yet the Inzidenzwert of 35 remains fixed. This is complete bullshit and this will never lead to lifting lockdowns! (or opening FKKs for that matter).

My statement about German doctors, engineers and scientists was sarcastic, because how come that nobody in Germany seems to notice this? There seems to be NOT A SINGLE scientist in the German government who can say: "wait a minute, a fixed Inzidenzwert + an increasing number of tests is bullshit. " Are they all brainwashed and part of a new cult again?

Reality is unfortunately, that Germany (Merkel + her sock puppet Ursula von der Leyen) are controlling the EU, so many other nations look at Germany and scratch their heads wondering why;.

*) they can't even count.

*) they can't even organise a vaccination campaign.

*) they can't make a reopening plan.

*) how corrupt politicians have been able to fill their pockets with 'masks-deals'.

Under Merkel, Germany has fallen from a leading 1st world nation to a at best a 2nd word banana republic, and I'm not even talking about the potholes in the streets and the crumbling digital infrastructure.

[Sirioja]

Before speaking about vaccine passport, I think first we have to evaluate the efficiency of the different vaccines (some medical staff even vaccinated got the covid) and second how will the vaccine works against the new variants and how long the vaccine are efficient, 6 months, 12 months. We can imagine to vaccinated the entire population every 6 months or each time a new variant pop up. Let us see what will happen in Israel in the coming months before taking any conclusions.

Even vaccined, you can still get and give. Vaccined won't put anymore mask and will give to not vaccined who will also give. Wish covid will be bored of humans and return where it came from. Maybe better not to eat pangolin, when poor rhinos or elephants or tigers are useless to be hard, sport is more efficient to get healthy and hard to be able to fuck.

[Sirioja]

Good think my undergraduate education was at an engineering school. In the US when medical salaries are higher than the rest of the world, medical education is much more competitive and you do not enter formal medical education until you complete an undergraduate degree. The European system is more efficient as you do not need the level of education that the US requires to practice medicine. At the same time, perhaps that leads to medical personnel being selected from a less talented pool.

Not for students selection in 80's, but for me doctors are higher level than engineers, even not exact science, even I heard too many times: we can't do more, even I cried too often, when I learned from my studies: each problem have at least one solution, for basic for mathematics, but when we mistake as engineer, we can break and do again, not about life.

[Sirioja]

If only you would have told Sagan this, then he wouldn't have caught covid, so now he has no chance for Milan. San Remo. He is clearly not as fit as you.

For sure Peter Sagan is not as fit as me and not same dietetics also, he should stop to smoke or drink, and I'm sure he doesn't like climbing like me. I proposed you already few times for Gran San Bernardino, you take your light carbon, I take my crappy child bicycle with roulettes little wheels and let s go just for fun to open and clean lungs breathing fresh air, ask your doctor if this is not efficient versus covid when I remember how many WGs I kissed and fucked since covid, I will drive from Aosta, letting car on top. If bald fat bullshiting French want we climb Galibier from Valloire, or with telegraphe before, let s go also, I look forward and for my Summer. I never saw any carbon climbing without a guy sweating on and Sagan doesn't like this, he does only for green suit and money, when I enjoy my passion. He is a puncher, not a climber, too heavy, not fit enough.

[Mursenary]

This time I agree with you, but you could also say that the more you test, the closer you get to the real Incident Value. The only way to approximate without bias would be to make random tests, but I don't think the subjects will agree.

Is that approach the right approach? Incidence thresholds based on 100 K tests rather than 100 K inhabitants? There is a selective bias for this approach, favoring people who are symptomatic enough to feel the need to take a test or seek medical care in the first place. Basing policy based on percent positive of all tests would naturally give less importance to a major source of transmission, asymptomatic carriers and mild cases, as they will likely never even take the test and their role in transmission to the vulnerable would go unaccounted.

Yes, testing more would produce higher incidence rates with a set population size; but as you state, it will be a more accurate value.

Where you stand on this matter is likely determined by your motivating interest. Are you interested in obtaining real incidence rates for the sake of public health policy or is your goal to get to a target incidence rate that is less reflective of reality but would make it easier for you to get to a brothel.

[Sirioja]

The UK people didn't do the mutation, it just happened to happen there.

I don't think anybody made any mutation, just from location where started, but UK spread a lot, making trip, making clusters in some ski resorts, when they knew about, and killing Western continental Europe where they travelled even knowing. When their mutant spread and kill 60% more, I wonder how many deaths from UK mutant, when we know what happened in Portugal, and now in Italy or France where more than 50% new cases are mutant, mostly UK, Germany and Spain preferring to protect versus UK, must be a reason when not helping business.

[McAdonis]

More tests = more 'cases,'

If CV19 is truly going away, increasing tests should result in a lower daily positive rate. Germany is back at where it was in late-October: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/p...ountry=DEU~GBR.

[Canary]

The UK people didn't do the mutation, it just happened to happen there.

Of course that's totally correct. The virus mutates irrespective of which Country it is in.

[PaulInZurich]

It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.

That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.

You should try living in reality, it is so much easier.

Regardless of what you write in this forum, the reality is that FKKs will only open when governments will consider that enough people are vaccinated.

The less people get vaccines, the longer the FKKs stay closed. You must be a religious or moralist fanatic who wants to keep FKKs closed forever.

[The Cane]

The Cane pointed out about this almost a year ago about vaccines passport and man! I am someone who do not want to take vaccines, but now I may have to because of this stupid vaccine passport! I wonder how that works though because it will discriminate many nations that are not so developed!

It's role your sleeve up and get vaccinated, and download and install the passport app for proof, or stay home and no tute pussy and ass for you! Now, you know what The Cane is going to do hahaha!

[PaulInZurich]

Most people who contract Covid19 only experience light symptoms or even no symptoms at all.

The WHO has concluded that only 0,23% of Covid19 infections result in death, the other 99,67% recover just fine.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_....20.265892.pdf (page 7).

It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.

That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.

You still didn't say what the alternative is, unless the alternative you propose is open it all up and who cares if the old and the sick die.

More that 550 000 deaths in the US in one year. If there would be no vaccine, can you calculate how many more would die until herd immunity is reached?

[BigBuddy69]

Most people who contract Covid19 only experience light symptoms or even no symptoms at all.

The WHO has concluded that only 0,23% of Covid19 infections result in death, the other 99,67% recover just fine.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_....20.265892.pdf (page 7).

It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.

That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.

Just a little problem, if the virus gets totally out of control (well actually he's not really controlled right now), the icu will be saturated, and that means certain death (or very likely) for the poor guys who will need a ventilator but who arrive too late. And I think that the mortality rate will skyrocket.

You want to be the guy at the entrance of the hospital who send families back home saying 'don't worry he'll just suffocate, no splatter on the wall' or who sort the patients arriving, like 'oh grandpa has lived long enough, it's time to make room for the young ones' or 'you should have eaten less burgers fatty, now it's time to go feed the worms'? Be my guest.

[ExpatLover]

Most people who contract Covid19 only experience light symptoms or even no symptoms at all.

The WHO has concluded that only 0,23% of Covid19 infections result in death, the other 99,67% recover just fine.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_....20.265892.pdf (page 7).

It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.

That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.

If now we believe WHO I am afraid we are going to face strong nightmares. The situation is just terrible in many countries in Europe, we all know that 50% of the dead are obese and the most of the other 50% have very limited life expectancy (less than 1 year), I can also go more in details about ethnicity, social class. But all this is just unacceptable for a waste majority of people, milked with twitter, Facebook, CNN.

[ExpatLover]

The UK Government has also made some scandalous decisions particularly early on resulting in huge deaths however they are finally listening properly to their Health experts & scientists and finally (currently) making huge positive steps.

Nobody is able to predict the future of this pandemy, I am not so sure the UK government made the right decision only the future will tell us, 1 year back so many on this forum were saying I am crazy pessimistic but the today reality is far above what I was expecting. We have to see what will happen with the new coming variants and how the vaccine will be efficient.