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04-28-14 07:50 #5423
Posts: 1337Originally Posted by Stravinsky [View Original Post]
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04-27-14 21:22 #5422
Posts: 1454Originally Posted by Iceberg27 [View Original Post]
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04-27-14 21:13 #5421
Posts: 722Originally Posted by Stravinsky [View Original Post]
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04-27-14 21:00 #5420
Posts: 1454Originally Posted by Iceberg27 [View Original Post]
I am more like you; I like to sit in the strip club, play the lazy boy and grab ass as it walks by.
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04-27-14 20:54 #5419
Posts: 1454Originally Posted by Jake993 [View Original Post]
BTW--you did remember to include a "force majeure" clause in your apartment lease, right?
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04-27-14 16:34 #5418
Posts: 499Originally Posted by Jake993 [View Original Post]
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04-27-14 16:28 #5417
Posts: 722Originally Posted by Stravinsky [View Original Post]
I am not sure Putin cares or not but he can't stop you my friend! Go on. Good luck.
Note:Bad guy definitely works in Russia. I agree with you.
Yummy,
19 May is a national holiday here so if I can catch an economical ticket why not? I can be there for 17-18.
Regards.
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04-27-14 14:38 #5416
Posts: 1337Originally Posted by Skwiskwis [View Original Post]
In my experience, Russians usually appreciate your effort for trying to learn their language. However, when you DO get ridiculed for trying to learn and use learn and use the Russian language, you are probably dealing with someone who feels threatened by your attempt to penetrate their impervious Russian barrier. For some, the very idea of you communicating with them in their native tongue is threatening and offensive. It's ok for them to learn English,"but don't you DARE sully the melodious language of Pushkin". It's not so different from the snotty upper crust English aristocrat who speaks the "Queens English" and pretends to not understand what "a good old boy" from Texas is saying with his drawl."How DARE he attempt to sully the words of Shakespeare and Chaucer with his brutish use of our sacred English language".
IMHO, when Russians ridicule (rather then help) an English speaker for their attempt for using English, it's usually because they are impatient and rude. And when a girl finds your attempt to speak Russian with her offensive rather than charming, it usual means that she just not "into you". But that's just my opinion.
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04-27-14 13:43 #5415
Posts: 1337Originally Posted by Stravinsky [View Original Post]
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04-27-14 13:39 #5414
Posts: 1337Originally Posted by YummyPL [View Original Post]
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04-27-14 06:47 #5413
Posts: 1308Take it easy, Skwiskwis. English accent is never ridiculed. To tell the truth this is often the case with German (sounds harsh) or Finnish (sounds slow). As for competition don't compete with yourself. If you are not genuine or a cheapskate within your means you don't stand the chance.
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04-27-14 00:26 #5412
Posts: 92Ok it's 03. 00 and I'm sitting in an apartment in Piter jet lagged out the gazoo and counting down the days until I have to go to the purgatory that is Moscow, so I'll weight in on this "speakin a little Russian" issue. Again.
You want to empirically test this? In any social situation with Russians, introduce the Ukrainians speaking Russian or Belorussians speaking Russian topic. Watch the evening take a hilarious, if arrogant, turn. Russians LOVE making fun of the way Ukrainians and Belorussians speak Russian: their accents, all. And it ain't just fun. It's Russian superiority vis a vis "others" inferiority. Now, given that Ukrainians and Belorussians speak Russian fluently, and Russians can certainly understand them, just imagine what Russians think of Europeans and Americans who butcher Russian?
Or, if you want the conversation to take a serious and racist turn, introduce the topic of Caucuses peoples and the way they "barely" speak Russian at all. How do Russians know the inferiority of them? Look at how poorly they speak Russian.
Russians are Ethnocentric in an extreme way. More so than the French, though about the same as Parisians, in my opinion (don't get me started on the way the French make fun of Canadian and Louisiana French speakers). And if we generally agree on this, that Russians are ethnocentric, then we must also understand that Ethnocentrism begins and ends with language and the superiority and PURITY of one's own language over others. To put it another way, the mispronunciation of Russian words by Belorussians and Ukrainians and foreigners OFFENDS Russians. It angers them.
Russian for them is SACRED. It is the language of great art and literature, and, similar to the French, if you can't speak it well, don't speak it at all. They have many different words and expressions, every educated Russian knows and can quote from Pushkin, they have and use about a million profane words, and their conversations are rich and complex and full of linguistic subtleties. They can tell your class and educational level in a nanosecond based on the way you speak. And yeah, learn to say "hi" and "goodbye" in Russian and they will smile and be amused, and inwardly snicker at the fact that you can't even pronounce "privet" correctly.
Moreover, any Russian who speaks any English at all would rather butcher English and try and communicate and learn English from you, than have you butcher Russian.
Now, of course, I mean really, if your alone and visiting Russia and working / living in Russia you do what you do. And if trying to find someplace means speaking bad Russian then by all means do so. And if the girl you are with is complementing you on your Russian and your Russian friends and colleagues are complementing you, then that's the game yes? We play them and they play us and as long as we all end the day satisfied what 's the harm?
And now for something completely different. (and yes I can "speak" some Russian and it's most useful to overhear what people say when they think I can't understand what they are saying). Was in one of the big mega malls here in Piter today. At the entrance was a drop dead gorgeous girl handing out fliers. I sat and ate some pizza and just watched her. I counted 5 Russian guys attempting to hit on her. Three of them were obviously upper middle class / upper class, designer clothes, full Armani / whatever regalia, and led with presents (single red rose, ice cream, stuffed animal). One of them I overheard saying "I'll wait for you and give you a ride home in my new black BMW X6" or something or other." And that, for me, is the biggest difference now in Russia. Domestic competition has the gestures AND money AND can court them in Russian and speak all those niceties Russia girls just love to hear. Although, near as I can tell, she shot all of them down. Oddly enough, the guy she seemed most friendly with was a grungy one with no presents and lots of tattoos. Go figure. The 'bad boy' works in Russia.
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04-26-14 23:42 #5411
Posts: 200Originally Posted by YummyPL [View Original Post]
I hope combine Russia, Ukraine and maybe Poland one trip this Summer.
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04-26-14 21:53 #5410
Posts: 1454Originally Posted by Iceberg27 [View Original Post]
Translate this and you will have your answer.
Когда вы можете прекрасно говорит по-русский, снова я возвращу в Россию,
если Владимир Владимирович не против.
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04-26-14 21:23 #5409
Posts: 499Originally Posted by Iceberg27 [View Original Post]