Egypt

[Alarbot83]

hello,, all, i spent four months in cairo as a student, and the situation is certainly not monger friendly. in egypt, like in many other countries in the middle east, non pros may be easier to get than p4p. speaking a small amount of arabic and having your own apartment certainly helps. be aware of muslim holidays, as well as the dates of the month of ramadan. most clubs will be closed, and the same men who would push you into their underground bars (more about that later) and advertise girls will yell at you, and create an awkward situation. as of this report, 1 usd = 5. 75 egyptian pounds (le).

first the p4p scene:

1. disco africana (now called nirvana but all taxi drivers know the former name as well). the best bet for going home with a girl, and easy on your wallet. you pay a 40 le entrance fee and a beer is about 12 le. on the dance floor is a slew of single girls (nearly all from sudan or central africa). unless there is a man dancing with them, they are available. just walk up to them and make small talk. then ask them to come home with you. they will then quote a high price for full service (300 le), but you can work them down to 100 le. the good thing is that most have their own place, meaning you don’t have to tip your bowwab (doorman) or hotel security. the downside is that most aren’t that attractive (5/10 tops) and aids is a much higher risk with them than others, as they don’t insist on a condom if you pay them extra. also, if black girls aren’t your thing, then you may not want to come here.

2. ramses hilton massage parlor. about 150 le for one hour massage. you have choice of central asian, east asian, russian, moroccan, or the rare egyptian. the russian and arab girls are generally better looking and they will start at 300 le for hj, but you can negotiate them down to 100 le. my first time i had a decent looking tajik girl who gave poor topless massage (but who cares about the massage? ) and then decent hj for 100 le. second time i opted for an egyptian girl who demanded 300. after 10 minutes of negotiating, i got her down to 120 le. mechanical hj which i could have done myself free of charge. not bad all in all if you get a pretty masseuse, but as far as i know, they don’t provide other services. may differ if you have a room there.

3. cabarets/baladi bars/cafes/nightclubs. you will see them rep001tered around cairo with, and pyramid street (sharia el-harem) is filled with them. they vary in class and price, but the general concept is the same. you’re seated and watch plump belly dancers dance poorly while shaking their fully covered chest and ass in your face as you listen to a live band crank out egyptian pop. these cater mainly to egyptian men for whom this is one of the few places they can drink beer and watch girls dance. the ones on pyramid street cater mainly to visiting gulfies who see nothing wrong with blowing 300 dollars for beer and cigarettes. in any case, once they find out you’re a westerner, you will get everyone haggling you for tips they will jack up the prices and you may get a bill of 200 dollars for one beer and a kleenex! rather than yelling at the owner, it’s best to stay clear of these places. i know a kuwaiti guy who blew 1500 le on a girl just because she kissed him once. it’s great to go once with a local to enjoy the show. if you are lucky, the owner of the nightclub may give you numbers of prostitutes (sharameet), but expect ridiculously high prices.

4. street walkers. hard to find during the day. but if you’re driving around at night and see a girl sitting by herself and doing nothing at 3 am, it is safe to assume that she’s working. the problem is that most don’t speak anything but arabic, and they’re dirty. if you make the mistake of letting them into your apartment, expect them to make off with a few of your household items. due to their poverty and being outside all day in the heat and dust, their looks are 3/10 tops, and their dirtiness brings that down. they shouldn’t charge more than 50 le, but make sure to double bag before entering.

5. your maid. this old hag who always asks for extra tips comes into use for providing girls. just ask her for banaat (girls) or sharameet, and she should oblige. you will pay 100 le per visit, in addition to whatever baksheesh you give the maid. make sure to be discreet, or your neighbors will either stop talking to you or ask for a freebie. the girls are decent, 5-7, and you can rest assured that they won’t try to steal.

non pros

1. auc/cac girls. the best dressed and best looking out of any egyptian girls. many would stand out in america for being drop dead gorgeous. unfortunately, they hang out with egyptian males in large groups composed entirely of upper class egyptians. because american university in cairo and cairo american college charge about 20, 000 usd per year, and also because they go to school with foreigners and take vacations in america and europe, they don’t think much of the rich foreigner. good to look at after all the hijabis in cairo, but no action.

2. al-azhar park. an oasis in the middle of the crowded streets. because this is sheltered from the public eye, male-females relations are more relaxed. we had hijabis coming up to us and asking to take a pic with us, and then exchanging numbers. you can freely talk to girls here, and most are from middle or lower class, so you may find luck in taking them out to the five star restaurants. (remember that an engineer makes about 100 usd per month, so a 30 dollar meal is unheard of for them). you will find girls giving anal sex freely in exchange for continued gifts.

3. cairo streets/shops. hit or miss; strike up conversations with single girls or groups of two and if they speak decent english and keep up the conversation, ask them for their number. if they give it, it means you can bring them back to your place for a nice relaxing fuck. you may get passerby yelling at you for talking to single girls, but they’ll keep walking once you threaten to call the police.

just remember that the police are on your side and if any one bothers you for mongering, the prospect of going to an egyptian jail will make them run away. i was never successful at hard rock or any other of the nightclubs, but i guess persistence might pay off.

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[AngelOnHoliday]

Many thnx angelonholidays!!!

And the idea with the cleaning lady is brilliant!

Unfortunately it will be the typical business trip. About 2 - 3 days and for sure in a hotel. So I guess: nothing and less then nothing.

Hey Yogi-Bear,

Well I couldn't accept the fact that Alexandria is a hopeless case, so I have been doing some detective work, the result: There is Hope after all

Seeing how succesful Hilton Ramsis in Cairo is about providing extra services. I discovered that the same spa owner (Nabila) used to have a massage parlour in Kiro Seiz mall, Mostafa Kamel district, Abu Eir Street in Alexandria but the Vice police closed it down over a year ago. Last word is that it is opened again now! She is also now running the Spa in a Hotel Called Paradise Inn in Montazah... that spa is also serving Sheraton Hotel which is loaded with arab tourists, so the assumtion is that she continues her very fine tradition there!!

I havent been to Alex again after this information became available to me, but I will chack it out at the first opportunity and report. Anyone heading to Alex sooner please check it out and let us know.

Happy Hunting!

[Yogi-Bear]

Many thnx angelonholidays!!!

And the idea with the cleaning lady is brilliant!

Unfortunately it will be the typical business trip. About 2 - 3 days and for sure in a hotel. So I guess: nothing and less then nothing.

[Hunter105]

What about the Hard Rock Cafe, comments.

Yes you are right, if there is anybody local that could give some information what is going on in the cafe would be very nice for me to understand the activity there.

Thanks,

Hunter

[Gianne H]

What about the Hard Rock Cafe, comments.

The third evening after having a good dinner at the italian restaurant, I went to my room and at about 22:00 Mal Li was knocking at my room door.

I frist took a shower with her and then she asked about the money (at least that was what I understood from her signs she gave). I payed her 500 EP (egypt pounds), but later on she somehow made me understanding that she also has to give money to the managing lady in the massage place (Nabila). She convinced me in a nice way, not pushing hard but she somehow insisted. As I didn´t know whether the managing lady is informed about her activity in the hotel room of the guests and I didn´t want to get any problems, I gave her another 200 EP, which was fine for me. Than the acitivity started and it was a very nice session with her, lasting about 30min. In the beginning it was a bit hard to enter her, as she was tight and it seemed to hurt her, but after some soft touches soft pushes she reacted very nicely and really pulled me, and I could see her pleasure and heard her coming soon. Than she made me coming. Unfortunately she rushed to dress and had to return back. She told me several things I didn´t understand but she was very GFE and she left after some nice kisses.

My rating (compared with german FKK and Dubai activities)

Looking 5/10; Service 7/10. Her age probably 25-30.

Next evening she again showed up close to midnight, but as I had a hard business day, I told her no and sent her back.

Next day my egyption colleague told me that it is difficult for european foreigners to contact the girls in the cafe. Some are sitting there to get contacted by egyptian and arab people, they will not accept europeans?! In addition he told me about this blue tooth activity with mobil phones. I tried it, but my phone didn´t work in that mode.

All in all a nice experience with the chinese lady in the massage salon. but I really tried to get into contact with a local lady. Maybe next time I will be prepared in a better way.

Good luck to you

[Hunter105]

The third evening after having a good dinner at the italian restaurant, I went to my room and at about 22:00 Mal Li was knocking at my room door.

I frist took a shower with her and then she asked about the money (at least that was what I understood from her signs she gave). I payed her 500 EP (egypt pounds), but later on she somehow made me understanding that she also has to give money to the managing lady in the massage place (Nabila). She convinced me in a nice way, not pushing hard but she somehow insisted. As I didn´t know whether the managing lady is informed about her activity in the hotel room of the guests and I didn´t want to get any problems, I gave her another 200 EP, which was fine for me. Than the acitivity started and it was a very nice session with her, lasting about 30min. In the beginning it was a bit hard to enter her, as she was tight and it seemed to hurt her, but after some soft touches soft pushes she reacted very nicely and really pulled me, and I could see her pleasure and heard her coming soon. Than she made me coming. Unfortunately she rushed to dress and had to return back. She told me several things I didn´t understand but she was very GFE and she left after some nice kisses.

My rating (compared with german FKK and Dubai activities)

Looking 5/10; Service 7/10. Her age probably 25-30.

Next evening she again showed up close to midnight, but as I had a hard business day, I told her no and sent her back.

Next day my egyption colleague told me that it is difficult for european foreigners to contact the girls in the cafe. Some are sitting there to get contacted by egyptian and arab people, they will not accept europeans?! In addition he told me about this blue tooth activity with mobil phones. I tried it, but my phone didn´t work in that mode.

All in all a nice experience with the chinese lady in the massage salon. but I really tried to get into contact with a local lady. Maybe next time I will be prepared in a better way.

Good luck to you

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[Hunter105]

My first mongering experience in egypt.

The first night when I arrived I looked around in the hotel and found the "famous" massage salon in the hotel. As it was late already and I was tired from the trip out of Germany I went to the main cafe, and I was surprised, there was a guy and a lady singing and a lot of egypt guys were sitting there having a drink and smoking shisha. In addition there were several girls sitting allone or in groups. I didn´t expect that, as some of them really looked like WRG´s. I also was sitting there take a Shisha and looked around. Some girls seemed to respond when looking to them but when smiling they turned there head away. In addition they were sitting there for at least 2 hours and no activity. I tried to somehow contact one girl, but it was not succesful when looking to her. Then I asked the waiter to give her a message from me, but he refused. As it was late and I was tired I went to my room allone.

Next evening I tried again, but didn´t succeed, maybe because I am not an arab looking guy or I am a bit too old for them. I didn´t understand the ongoing activity. So I went to the massage place and got a nice massage and a very good BBBJ from Mal Li??, a chinese lady not looking so great but with a good service attitude, (I think she even came when I was fingering her). The problem was that she dont speak english and it was very difficult to communicate with her, but she offered to come to my room the next evening.

Short report will follow.

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[AngelOnHoliday]

Hi folks, what's about the situation in Alexandria?
Many thnx in advance for useful hints.

If you are planning to rent a furnished appartment (since it is almost impossible to bring anyone to your hotel in Alex) Maamoura is a good place. It caters to Arab tourists. It is an enclosed comunity, since you must pay entry fee to get in or must be a resident with a special pass. If you rent there they will provide you with a pass. there are 2 types of rental agents around. you see their signs on the street and usually they are sitting by a chair next to it. or you just call the number on the sign (attached). The first type caters only to Families so they will ask you if you are alone or with a family (wife & kids etc..) if you are not, they will refuse to rent to you. The second type will rent to single guys and those are the ones to use.

I atteched here one that is "single guys friendly" i translated the number in english so you can call directly or just drive around after the entrance you will see this sign with a guy next to it and talk to him. you can bring your girl to these appartments if you happened to pick one up using the BT(Bluetooth) method discribed earlier. or ask him to send you a cleaning lady for the appartment as is the case with most furnished appartments in Egypt where they serve as mamasans as well.

Happy hunting!

[AngelOnHoliday]

Just discovered this by chance, last week was in Alexandria where there are many arab students attending the Famous Academy there. Went to a cafe in Maamoura after the gates turn Right and its immediately to the right. They offer live entertainemnt and lots of shishas.

There was many tables with groups of guys and other tables with groups of girls some attractive some average.

As soon as I entered I noticed something quite unusual. Almost every one was ignoring the entertainemt and were busy with their mobile phones, mostly sending text messages. It was quite noticable and curious. Shortly after, I received a message telling me I received a file and if I would like to open it. I opened it and found an animated picture of a rose. Which I thought I received by mistake. When I was about to delete it, I noticed that the name of the file was a guy's name and phone number! So I went to my bluetooth settings and scanned for bluetooth devices around and thats when I discovered a whole new underground world of Hi-tech mongoring going on! Over 20 phones were detected with phone names ranging from Sexy cleopatra, to sweet lola and of course the guys had names like "Black Motorola" etc. While looking around indeed I found one of the Arab guys holding a black motorola phone to his chest in an obvious way to be noticed. Shortly after that a girl got up, went outside, the black motorola guy followed after and didn't return.

Next nite after I modified the photo and added my name and number I scanned the blue tooth devices and picked the names that were obviously feminine. I started to send the mesage to them. Some rejected it. Others accepted. Shortly I received an sms from "Spoiled Egyptian Girl" and she asked me to hold my phone up so I did. I noticed her, she smiled then just got up and went outside. One minute later I followed, she was just standing outside, said Hi, didn't seem like the type to start talking about prices and stuff soon, it was too noisy so I invited her to a a quiter place to talk and have a drink. Drove around, had something to drink after we talked a bit asked her to join me in my appartment, she agreed, but stayed only for few hours and had to leave. She is not too professional, university student, staying with roommates, and just does this to make extra cash.

Guys. It works!

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[AngelOnHoliday]

Just discovered this by chance, last week was in Alexandria where there are many arab students attending the Famous Academy there. Went to a cafe in Maamoura after the gates turn Right and its immediately to the right. They offer live entertainemnt and lots of shishas.

There was many tables with groups of guys and other tables with groups of girls some attractive some average.

As soon as I entered I noticed something quite unusual. Almost every one was ignoring the entertainemt and were busy with their mobile phones, mostly sending text messages. It was quite noticable and curious. Shortly after, I received a message telling me I received a file and if I would like to open it. I opened it and found an animated picture of a rose. Which I thought I received by mistake. When I was about to delete it, I noticed that the name of the file was a guy's name and phone number! So I went to my bluetooth settings and scanned for bluetooth devices around and thats when I discovered a whole new underground world of Hi-tech mongoring going on! Over 20 phones were detected with phone names ranging from Sexy cleopatra, to sweet lola and of course the guys had names like "Black Motorola" etc. While looking around indeed I found one of the Arab guys holding a black motorola phone to his chest in an obvious way to be noticed. Shortly after that a girl got up, went outside, the black motorola guy followed after and didn't return.

Next nite after I modified the photo and added my name and number I scanned the blue tooth devices and picked the names that were obviously feminine. I started to send the mesage to them. Some rejected it. Others accepted. Shortly I received an sms from "Spoiled Egyptian Girl" and she asked me to hold my phone up so I did. I noticed her, she smiled then just got up and went outside. One minute later I followed, she was just standing outside, said Hi, didn't seem like the type to start talking about prices and stuff soon, it was too noisy so I invited her to a a quiter place to talk and have a drink. Drove around, had something to drink after we talked a bit asked her to join me in my appartment, she agreed, but stayed only for few hours and had to leave. She is not too professional, university student, staying with roommates, and just does this to make extra cash.

Guys. It works!

Warning! Do not accept files with the extention. Sis since that is a virus and it can screw up your phone. Accept only files with known graphics extention like.jpg etc.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

[Yogi-Bear]

Hi folks, what's about the situation in Alexandria?
Many thnx in advance for useful hints.

[Swpc10]

I ended up visiting the Ramsis Hitlton twice while I was in Cairo.

First time got what seemed to be a local girl. When I arrived the just asked whether 1/2 hour or hour, and didn't give a choice. Virtually no English, pretty crappy massage, but offered special, initially at 300 Eqyptian Pounds. I offered 100 (thanks to the board) and we ended up at 200. She allowed touching, but was so bundled up, I couldn't get to anything. But it turned out OK, but nothing stellar.

Second trip the older lady behind the desk asked what I was looking for. I was having some lower back problems, so I said I needed that worked on and the rest of the body relaxing. I got a Ukrainian lady, not young, but in great shape, who did a WONDERFUL job on my lower back. It would have been worth it if it had stopped there. She told me she was a doctor back in Ukraine. After the flip and some light work on the front was offered a erotic massage. First price was something like 400. I just about fell off the table. I told her I had 200 cash, and that was it. She decided to accept. She offered full access (dropped pants, lift shirt, tits out of bra) for 100 more, but ended up giving that for free. She complained lightly about touching her between the legs due to her "being so hot and it being hard for her to keep reasonably quiet." But she allowed it. VERY nice technique with the massage.

Talking a bit afterwards she also offers oral services for an asking price of 600, and also offered to visit my hotel room the next evening. Earlier she had asked my sign (Pieces), so then told me she loved eating fish. She gave me her cell number, but unfortunately work intruded.

[Animby]

Thanks for the good report Animby - could you mention which hotel you stayed in, what the prices are and what the diving cost you. I understand that tourists can't dive without an Egyptian instructor anymore.

Cheers.

I'm not sure how much my experience will be helpful to you. Most places in Egypt have a dual pricing structure and I have legal residency. The Ghazala Beach Resort is listed as a 4 star and I paid 300 egyptian pounds per night. That's around US$50.

I was doing exclusively boat dives this time and that, with all gear included, was 85 euros per day. I don't think there was any resident discount for that. Tips, meals, special fees, etc. call it 100 euros per day.

I've paid more. I've paid a lot less.

To save money, consider going to Hurghada. Same great Red Sea diving but it's pretty much at Egyptian prices. I suspect there are far fewer opportunities for P4P in Hurghada, though.

No info on requirements to have a local guide. Boat dives you'd want an experienced guide, anyway. Lots of these are drift dives and the currents can be unpredictable. Two months ago when I was last there, I did a check dive with a local divemaster but then did shore dives without a local guide.

I learned to dive in the Caribbean and have dived in many locales around the world. The Red Sea has 'em beat for sheer beauty. Last month, I was diving in the Mediterranean off Alexandria. Colder, less visibility but archaeological ruins to explore. Outstanding!

[Buzz00]

DAY TWO

Thanks for the good report Animby - could you mention which hotel you stayed in, what the prices are and what the diving cost you. I understand that tourists can't dive without an Egyptian instructor anymore.!?

I am very tempted to go based on your report - the diving must be great, nothing like the Red Sea and the diving must be pretty good as well, but seems to be overpriced.

Cheers.

[Animby]

Great report.

Are sharm hotels girlfriend friendly?

I was there two years ago and was stopped by security in the Hyatt.

Please advise

Regards

This is my first time without a non P4P companion. I am in the Ghazala Beach Resort. The front entrance is not the one you would use after check in. You use the back entrance that leads to the beach. They stick some young kid there to make sure only guests come in. However, you also would come in this way to go to the restaurants and bar! He never said a word. Oleksye and his friends left last night so I can;t ask him their experience at the Hilton but he didn't mention any problems. The Ghazala has some detached cabanas around the pool. Mine was right near the entrance from the beach. Might have been different had we paraded through the reception area.

Sorry that probably doesn't help much.