Prices

[Stravinsky]

Where to find these girls? Well, that's a whole different issue. Dating is dating. No different in Moscow than anywhere else. Got to put yourself out there just like anywhere else whether it's on Mamba, the bar scene, the ice cream shop, or the night clerk at the hotel (Doh! Did I say that out loud?)

I'm sure there are plenty of guys who would love to have a stable of Russian girlfriends (me included). But it's not a simple matter of choice. It takes time to find these women, time to meet them, time to create a relationship and time to sustain it. Who has time like that? If someone is lucky enough to work for a company that needs his presence on the ground, in Russia, and is willing to pay for it, then dating Russian women can be a viable alternative to the P4P scene.

But for the casual tourist, it simply isn't possible. The good old days of mongering in Moscow really are over. This doesn't mean there aren't still opportunities out there, they just aren't going to walk up and slap you in the face (or kiss you on the cheek). Success will require some thought, some planning, a little imagination, a little savvy and a lot of determination.

[Jake993]

..... Who would have thought you could get laid for the price of a Twix bar? Now those Were the days! ............

Who indeed?

But that said, I think the thing that many on this board are missing is the tremendous opportunity in the amateur market. OK, I will stipulate that a lot of guys do not want the hassle of having a girlfriend preferring the simplicity of the professional transaction, but the conditions have never been better for finding Russian girls to date. I am not necessarily talking about a one night stand pick up, but girlfriends you maintain a relationship with for sex and companionship.

I am SURE I am not the only one on this board that has a stable of girls that he sees on a rotating basis. What a LOT of Russian girls DO like is the way Western men tend to treat women. Of course, many of us consider that a flaw in and of itself, but the fact of the matter is that some of the girls I sleep with regularly tell me that they are "done" with Russian men. What does that mean? Who the fuck knows? What I do know is that there are about a half dozen girls in Moscow and the provinces who like to meet with me regularly for sex. Suffice it to say that more than an insignificant number of Russian girls have a itch they like to have scratched by a Western guy. And, lucky for many of us, have NO PROBLEM with a 15 to 20 year age difference.

Do any of these girls think that I am having sex with them on an exclusive basis? Not for one second. But they do like the occasional dinner out with a small gift from duty free, maybe a little dancing and then a night of wild sex. What's wrong with that? Not a damn thing wrong with that at all. Like ALL women, Russians like to be made to feel a little bit special and to be transported to a different place (figuratively speaking). The difference, IMHO is that the Russins are not shackled so the same sense of "Middle Class Morality" that seems to have infested the West when it comes to semi-casual sex.

So while the market for paid sex has most definitely changed for the worse, the dating scene has too and not necessarily for the worse (I am finding). These girls have better jobs now, have a better education, better clothes, etc, etc but still live in country where they VASTLY outnumber the dudes. It takes a little more work, but by-golly it's there. And I dare say it's worth it. Please don't confuse this with the sponsor relationship as was VERY nicely addressed by our friend Dogger a few days ago.

Where to find these girls? Well, that's a whole different issue. Dating is dating. No different in Moscow than anywhere else. Got to put yourself out there just like anywhere else whether it's on Mamba, the bar scene, the ice cream shop, or the night clerk at the hotel (Doh! Did I say that out loud?)

Happy hunting.

PS. After stepping off my soapbox, I just realized that this is a PRICING thread. I supposed this should have been in the "Dating Russian Women" thread. My bad.

[Stravinsky]

Now, I am willing to concede that it might just be my perception that has changed over the years, but I don't think so. I have to wonder what the effect of a more mature economy has had on normal girls to ply the world's 2nd oldest profession.

Jake,

I think your perception is correct. But it's not so much a matter of the Russian economy has matured, since there really was no economy to begin with. Now there is an economy, and in some ways, Russia is better off than the West since it is not burdened with huge debt. Today, the average young woman in Russia has many more options than she did even 6 or 7 years ago.

Some other factors have also influenced the decline. In the 90's, there were precious few Western tourists in Moscow, so guys like us were interesting to young women, simply by virtue of our nationality. And if you could also speak Russian. Well, then it was like shooting fish in a barrel.

Today there is nothing inherently interesting about Western men for Russian women. Are you an American man in Moscow looking for sex? Get in line and take a number.

Also. 20 years ago, there was only 1 currency in Russia, the US Dollar. With the advent of the Euro and the decline of the Dollar, you and I have lost a lot of our purchasing power.

Time was, those 2 factors made for a potent combination. In 1993, I remember taking Elena to a restaurant in one of the Western hotels in the city center, I think it was the Hyatt. I ordered Twix bars and capuccinnos. At that time, Twix bars were haute cuisine in Moscow. Sitting in an elegant restaurant, munching her Twix bar and sipping her capuccino, Elena was in 7th heaven (come to think of it, so was I). Who would have thought you could get laid for the price of a Twix bar? Now those Were the days!

Not only has the Russian economy matured, but the sex market has matured as well. The dyeffki have figured out what they're worth. It's taken them a while to do it and it sure was fun while it lasted, but, I'm afraid, the party is over.

So, as you have pointed out, what remains are the hard core ho's and the dedicated WG's, who have honed their collective bargaining skills to a fine edge. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Some guy walks into HD or Night Flight and is quoted some ridiculous price for what will ultimately be poor service. What can he do? He has to take what is offered. The only option is to leave empty handed, and for some guy who just spent 1000's of dollars to put himself in Moscow for a week, this is not an option.

[Bez Bezarra]

I broke all my rules with Princess.

Hot as hell, with a bit of an attitude.

I paid her very well for the first few months.

She's so hot I can't resist.

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It took a year, but I'm almost starting to think that I knew her, Dogg.

Angel-goddess of fire with attitude?

Hard bargaining medical student?

Cost more than the other two combined?

Beyond all limits of resistance?

Erased all your doubts that Moscow is for the poseurs?

Something told me, that you and I crossed paths, SOMEWHERE before.

I only had three weeks to get acquainted with her, barely a start, but her potential floored me, back in 2007. I certainly would have kept trying, had business not called me home, and then elsewhere for two final adventures in east UA. By the time I got back to Russia at the end of 2008, she was long gone.

In those last 2 UA provincial stays, I was overly blessed to meet a couple of candyland fireballs that were pretty close though. Leaving them behind was dreadfully painful.

That you hung in there, after her for two years is, well, frankly amazing. Now THAT is mongering!

But I got to say that you let the air out of the legend with THIS pic.

A far far cry from your orig, which gets my vote for the best shot in the history of the the thread.

[Jake993]

Jake, what has changed in Moscow since 2005?

I also first went to Moscow in 2005 and 2006. And like you, I had heard so much about the "good old days" and that I was too late. I haven't been back since and am thinking about it now.

MarkD,

Sorry I missed this earlier.

I think the things that have changed most since 2005 is the prices (gone up) and the general availability of what I would call "nice girls". Today there are the usual complement of skanky ho's and average WG's in all of the usual haunts. But it seems to me that back in 2005 and 2006 there seemed to be a lot more "normal girls" who were working the clubs to earn extra cash. As I remember, they were better dressed, a little more fun, better educated and spoke better English than the posse out there I Moscow today. I still remember the first girl I bought out of Boar House. She was a law student who was quite pretty and was there to earn extra money to pay for a trip to San Francisco for a six week summer internship. She was fun, educated, smoking hot body, pretty good in the sack (but not outstanding) and had a great attitude about what we were doing together. I just don't encounter that much anymore. And CERTAINLY not at Boarhouse (now HD). But don't get me started on HD.

Also, the girls at NF are different. Back then, ALL of the girls were students and spoke VERY good English. Now? Not so much.

Now, I am willing to concede that it might just be my perception that has changed over the years, but I don't think so. I have to wonder what the effect of a more mature economy has had on normal girls to ply the world's 2nd oldest profession.

But. That's just my opinion. You asked. I give you my honest opinion.

Happy trails.

Jake

[Jake993]

Yep, Frunzenskaya Nabershnaya now for a couple of years.

I've written before that I don't monger much in Moscow anymore. In 2006 I was bright eyed and keen, but now just have a few provinicial sponsorships that keep me happy.

Occasionally pop into one of the clubs or bars, but very rarely. I'm lucky enough to be paid to travel around the provinces and so invest my money there. The girls in the office still flirt, and that's fun, and I'll catch an eye on the metro and think "why not." but usually pretty quiet in Moscow.

Prices, even for Moscow based Mamba girls (my main source in the early days) are way above what you could get when I first arrived, so I even give them a miss.

Still fun though.

Cheers

Dogger,

Thanks for sharing your experiences with sponsorettes.

Jake

[Dogger862]

Has anyone ever sponsored a girl from mamba? Can you tell me your experiences?

I've had six sponsorships of six months or more. Others have come and gone, usually by not meeting one of my criteria.

I have found all of them to be worth every cent I've paid, but it takes some preparation and sticking to what you want to get them to pay off.

I have 10 criteria:

1. English better than my Russian (not too hard)

2. Students, or access to.

3. Bi or willing to try (negotiated in price)

4. Anal or willing to try (negotiated in price)

5. COF or CIM included in price.

6. Available at 24 hours notice, willing or able to stay overnight.

7. Willing to be be a guide, escort, partner in the city if I want company

8. No strings attached, I can terminate at any time, two no shows when I call / text and it's terminated.

9. They can terminate at any time, two no shows when I call / text and it's terminated.

10. Willing and able to pick up other girls so that we can share them.

They have all been provinicial (I did sort of sponsor a school teacher in Moscow early on but it was more for convenience and I didn't apply the criteria listed above).

I set up an email address for each of them so they can write and ask for things, a few of them have done but nothing extravagant.

Leila is my longest, we are coming up on 3 years now. I've posted a couple of pics of her in the photo thread and below, she is an absolute angel. We have been on several holidays, both in Russia and internationally. She's no longer a student but is very helpful when finding a third to join us either through her student friends or at clubs. She's the one that came on the Trans-Siberian that I also wrote about. She gets $2500 US a month. That usually equates to 10-15 days per month in her city, so worst case $250 per day, that's for 10-12 hours in my company. She meets all criteria listed above (although still a bit hesitant on the anal). Her little sister has just moved to Moscow to attend university so is a ripe candidate to be added to the Doghouse.

I broke all my rules with Princess. Well, almost all. Hot as hell, fun to be with most times but with a bit of an attitude. Initially I was prepared to pay her very well and for the first few months and I did, but then she started to renege on some of the agreements so I saw her less. Still pay her a retainer of $500 to see her once or twice a month if Leila is not available. She's so hot I can't resist.

Some of the other good ones include Tania, who was was fun, she and Leila become good friends and we had some great sessions. At the height of her sponsorship she was getting around $1000 per month, that would be for about 8 bi sessions with Leila and I. She would rarely stay the night but that was OK as Leila always did anyway. She doesn't get sponsored anymore but if she is around she'll join us for a one off fee.

Marina and Vera were my first long termers. Probably spent too much on them compared to what I get now, but that's the way with everything.

So, my advice – know what you want, how much you are willing to pay and what you will put up with. It's your money, so you should dictate the terms (mostly anyway). You aren't marrying them, it's a financial transaction but also don't be stingy. If they are like my sponsorships, they are super-sweet girls who just like to earn a little bit more than their circumstances will allow. By way of comparison, Leila works full time and earns less than what I sponsor her for.

I've attached a couple of pics:

Sponsorettes are Tania (R) and Leila (L) and Sponsorette 1a is Leila on her own. The other two are self explanatory.

Hope it works out for you, and more importantly, any girl that you choose to sponsor.

Cheers.

[Dogger862]

There are more of us living in Moscow, but for various reasons some of us have to retain a lower profile.

Yep, Frunzenskaya Nabershnaya now for a couple of years.

I've written before that I don't monger much in Moscow anymore. In 2006 I was bright eyed and keen, but now just have a few provinicial sponsorships that keep me happy.

Occasionally pop into one of the clubs or bars, but very rarely. I'm lucky enough to be paid to travel around the provinces and so invest my money there. The girls in the office still flirt, and that's fun, and I'll catch an eye on the metro and think "why not." but usually pretty quiet in Moscow.

Prices, even for Moscow based Mamba girls (my main source in the early days) are way above what you could get when I first arrived, so I even give them a miss.

Still fun though.

Cheers

[Shanjahan]

I have mongered in Russia quite a few time (7) to be exact. I first went there in 98 and thought I'd gone to heaven. It is still as then a mongers paradise. However as we have seen the tirf has changed a bit. Things that have not changed are the number of May December relationships that are going on. This is PART of their society and is widely accepted as normal. You would have to spend some time there but if you do you will be richly rewarded if you are patient and don't get in a rush. I had a friend who married a Russian woman and her son and I hooked up so I had the luxury of having a "goofer" who looked out for me. I had an affair with a gorgeous 20 year old who looked like Virginia Madsen and f""cked like a mink. 100 for the night and she cooked and cleaned the apartment on top of that and took me to the museums and opera's. You can't get any better than that. It's still there believe me. What a pooners paradise.

Peter

Was this in 98?

[Mark Darcy]

...... My first time to Moscow was 2005 and the old timers were waxing lyrical and "pinning for the good old days". Today, I long for the good old days of 2005. But like Carly Simon sang in her song,"These are the good old days".

Jake, what has changed in Moscow since 2005?

I also first went to Moscow in 2005 and 2006. And like you, I had heard so much about the "good old days" and that I was too late. I haven't been back since and am thinking about it now.

[CastOnThis]

I don't know, maybe you're better off in London???

I was thinking that the girls were trafficked by the Russian mafia. Or what you said.

[Stravinsky]

Fact #3 : if the local market in Moscow has such high demand and such high prices, why are the girls going to western europe to earn a few euros?

I don't know, maybe you're better off in London???

Seriously, go to sextalk.ru and do a search for girls 4+ or better. I use 4+ as a baseline because many times an excellent provider can be marked down because of the apartment she's working out of (or is it, the apartment out of which she is working?) You will find all kinds of excellent possibilities for around 3,000 руб/hour.

Forget about the premium dyeffki. Premium price typically = premium attitude.

[Excepticus]

I'm happy to see that the idea of the prices thread was positive.

I guess it's more value for money. But for that we have all subjective and different opinions. So far. I love Moscow.

I would prefer to have a permanent spring there. Being the main reason how our "friends" will dress.

It's a pitty the last news and I hope this will not affect our hobby and mood.

[Escort Fan]

As I explained in another thread why is it so hard to find a good escort in Moscow?

Fact #1 : Russians escorts exist in vast quantity and in great quality, as there are bataillions of them in London or Paris.

Fact #2 : Russian escorts often provide great services. Most of the russians escorts I met in London offer A, CIM, DFK etc. While when I look on sites like rusdog or intimacy it seems those services are seldom provided locally.

Fact #3 : if the local market in Moscow has such high demand and such high prices, why are the girls going to western europe to earn a few euros?

[Jake993]

If you are there on business and the company is picking up the tab, then yes, by all means, take advantage of what the city has to offer. But don't go there for a few days thinking that you will have the time of your life.

But yeah, I do have to agree with you on this point. As a sex tourist destination, Moscow can be frustrating.