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[Member #4732]

Hello all,

First time poster here.

Making my first trip to SP May 5 for 2 weeks. Staying a few blocks from Shopping Ibirapuera in Moema. Walking distance to many clinicas and an Uber ride to many others. Actually mostly going to check out the live music scene, jazz clubs, and symphony orchestra. Figure it's a great mongering musician's destination.

I have RTFF and searched TFF but I still have a few questions.

1. Massages. From what I understand these clinicas may advertise massage, but it's essentially a brothel. That's cool and all, but coming from massage parlors, I like a massage, even mediocre for a good 30-40 minutes before the flip and the action begins. It always feels weird and uncomfortable to me to jump right into the action. A massage gets me in the mood and ready to go. Years of MP training I guess. Are there places like this, or is any clinica like this if I ask for a massage first. Any places known for a great massage before the action? I don't know if this is unusual. I'the rather get a massage and a screw with a 7 then jump right into it with a 9. A little strange maybe but that's always been my thing. I'm excited for the GFE / DFK with beautiful ladies part of SP but hoping to get some good massages too.

2. Freelancers. I've read the weekends are different at some clinicas. Freelancers. Does that just mean a different or better lineup? Are there different prices for different girls or same rates as weekdays for all the girls? Not sure how that works..

Good job, good q's.

1. there are 4 types of clinicas.

- therapeutic: massage only.

- sensual massage (called tantra sometime): massage with flip and happy ending.

- FS massage: massage and then FS (seems to be what you want.

- FS with optional massage but in reality the ladies are not trained in massage because customers that want massage don't really go to these places. The ladies will gladly try to give you a massage but it is unlikely to be good unless coincidentally the woman had previously worked at one of the other places above.

Most places discussed here are in last category. We can look into giving you some names for cat 3.

2. "Frees" yes on weekends at a few places. Not necessarily prettier or better, just additional choice. The pay structure is no different for the frees, you pay house, house pay lady. Same price for all, no negotiation.

3. fidelity cards: for a short time visitor the only realistic option is TG and RW, the houses of Vani. Those places do not require a post on gp-guia, net for visit credit. But those places are cat 4.

[Arkayel]

Hello all,

First time poster here.

Making my first trip to SP May 5 for 2 weeks. Staying a few blocks from Shopping Ibirapuera in Moema. Walking distance to many clinicas and an Uber ride to many others. Actually mostly going to check out the live music scene, jazz clubs, and symphony orchestra. Figure it's a great mongering musician's destination.

I have RTFF and searched TFF but I still have a few questions.

1. Massages. From what I understand these clinicas may advertise massage, but it's essentially a brothel. That's cool and all, but coming from massage parlors, I like a massage, even mediocre for a good 30-40 minutes before the flip and the action begins. It always feels weird and uncomfortable to me to jump right into the action. A massage gets me in the mood and ready to go. Years of MP training I guess. Are there places like this, or is any clinica like this if I ask for a massage first. Any places known for a great massage before the action? I don't know if this is unusual. I'the rather get a massage and a screw with a 7 then jump right into it with a 9. A little strange maybe but that's always been my thing. I'm excited for the GFE / DFK with beautiful ladies part of SP but hoping to get some good massages too.

2. Freelancers. I've read the weekends are different at some clinicas. Freelancers. Does that just mean a different or better lineup? Are there different prices for different girls or same rates as weekdays for all the girls? Not sure how that works.

3. Loyalty punch cards. I've seen on some clinicas websites some of these places maybe have loyalty cards. Since I'm there for 2 weeks, I could maybe find a place within walking distance to my place (and there are several within a 25-30 minute walk) and find the best looking garota there and buy 4 get the 5th free or whatever deals they offer.

Sorry for all the questions but after reading over 60 pages I'm still unsure of these few things (I'm sure there's more). And if anyone has any favorite places for live music (especially jazz!) I'the love to hear!

Thanks for any feedback.

Arkayel.

[Steve 9696]

Haha, now the fun stuff. First off, did you try to filter the list by the ones that already have positive TDs? That is my first and strongest recommendation:

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a.../tds-positivos

IF you look at those ladies and concentrate on the ones with multiple positive TDs or even one positive TD from a gp-guia user who writes many TDs (the red flag is a single TD by a user who has only written 1 TD) . Did you do that and find no one to whet your appetite? I would stick to that subset of already TDd ladies unless you are here long enough to sustain a few failures without ruining your trip.

Onto your choices, here is my analysis. I like your taste and I have checked out some of them before. First off, 3 of the 4 violate my "does she show her face" warning. I have mentioned that while I want to see the face, I don't trust the ads that show the face (unless it is someone well reviewed or someone that ALSO has a twitter feed where she shows her face).

Second, the types of photos are important. Do they look like "instagram" selfies, or "fake selfies" (like the woman holding a phone but the photo is being taken by someone else. These are warnings. Look at the image quality, do they look like pro fotos or "Real SELFIES" . In general the WORSE the photo quality the more likely it is to be real and conversely the better the photo the more likely it is to be fake or old. This is the TGTBT rule.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...-sexo-id-sacv6

Mel. Warnings: CC, face visible, Jardins, no TDs. Makes me think this is a Jardin agency apartment. I wouldn't risk it unless I whatsapped her and somehow I was reassured either by a video call or a promise that I could cancel without fuss if "in my opinion" she was not identical to the woman in the photo.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...stoso-id-q8vv7

Dalilia. Totally my type and I wish she was real. The woman in the photos may exist as a GP somewhere in Brasil at some time in the past or present, but I doubt this is her.

Warnings: visible face, very very pro fotos, TGTBT alarms going off right and left. I am sure I have seen those photos before.

Did a google on the phone number (another necessary step) and found that number on various other escort sites, none of which I trust. I saw her ad a long time ago and whatsapped her. She was responding fine until I wrote this, after which no response which convinced me she is fake.

Tive umas experincias ruins recentemente com mulheres que ando foram nada parecida as fotos. Vc pode me mandar numa foto caseira de HJ pra confirmar que vc a mesma das fotos? Por favor.

Translation:

I had some bad experiences recently with women who were not anything like the photos. Can you send me a candid photo from today to confirm that you are the same as the photos? Please".

No reply said everything I needed to know.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...rtoes-id-6w7tz

Mel Lisboa. This is the most promising one.

Positive: she obscures face but show enough to know she is pretty. The photos are all in the same location, and it is a Brazil location, and it is a location I have seen before in other ads. I might have even been to that house.

Cons: the CC is not such a big deal because I know that area, Vila Mariana, there are some semi free lance massage places there, usually a house with several rooms and 2 or 3 ladies that advertise like this. The problem is that those types that emphasize massage are often reluctant to be real GFE, they don't kiss etc, and they want to do massage first, bla bla bla. So my evaluation is that she is probably real and looks like that but that she is going to try to push the massage angle and minimize the actual sex. In fact I asked her this was a shared space and she said "her and one other". Then I asked if it was primarily massage or could I go directly to sex and she replied "yes, massage" So avoid unless you LIKE massage.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...rinho-id-pqeg5

Jaqueline Malta.

Cons: very instagramish photos, shows face. Text says she is blonde but the photo is a brunnette.

Pros: bela vista has many indies, no CC.

Not really sure about this one. If it were me and I was strongly attracted I would do what I did above. Ask for a "caseira" selfie from today and a promise that I could cancel if I did not find her to be the same as the photo.

But in summary, I would stick to the reviewed chicks unless you are here for several weeks and care to take a flyer.

"Should I just give up and go to the clinicas?" Have you already been to the clinicas? If not, you certainly must go there before taking any flyer on an un reviewed freelancer. For a visitor the clinicas are always my top recommendation. And if you hit it off with someone there, you may be able to set up a separate date "encontro particular" if you are wanting something at your place.

Order of attack:

- clinicas.

- cassarao.

- frees with TDs (or strong twitter visibility).

Unreviewed free is the last resort and only if you are comfortable texting to ask the things I suggested.

Rovnaks photoaconpanhantes advice is spot on. He really helped me score a winner. Maybe I can save you the trouble. Mary Ninfeta looks your type which is same as my type -.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...-boca-id-gyfcf

She is much prettier in person. A true oral nympho and sweet as can be she gave me a foot massage when we finished early. Can't recommend highly enough. And per Rovnaks Rules she has 46 positive TDS.

[Big Boss Man]

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...-sexo-id-sacv6

Mel. Warnings: CC, face visible, Jardins, no TDs. Makes me think this is a Jardin agency apartment. I wouldn't risk it unless I whatsapped her and somehow I was reassured either by a video call or a promise that I could cancel without fuss if "in my opinion" she was not identical to the woman in the photo.

Mel makes it clear in her Whatsapp. "Nao envio fotos!!" So I think I have crossed her off my list. I put the cart before the horse. I dug into the https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...ntes/sao-paulo before I dug deep into the Board.

I have been to maybe twenty different clinicas since I first started coming to Sao Paulo in 2004. Actually my kink is going to the therapeuticas and then seeing how far they go. I went 3 times to Kamna Spa in Moema. The first and the third time the massage ended in a hand job. But the second time the masseuse really got into it and that has been my best overall experience in a clinica. From my experience, if you are going to concentrate on clinicas it is best to stay in Moema. I chose to stay on Paulista this time so I must be looking for something a little different. I can walk to both Bomboa and Sauna House. I know Sauna House doesn't get much play on this Board. It is a little more expensive but I had some really good experiences there with some great-looking girls. I think it is oriented towards the tourists.

[Member #4732]

Jib Reach and Rovnak.

So I have communicated by Whatsapp with the two below. Based on your reporting, I would assume these two are fakes. One has a credit card facility and the other one's ad is now down although she says her place is near the MASP Trinon station which is close to my hotel.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...-sexo-id-sacv6

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...stoso-id-q8vv7 (Old ad).

Also like these two but no communication as of yet..

Based on your visual taste I would consider this one:

https://twitter.com/BiancaGalonni

http://www.gp-guia.net/viewtopic.php...2&hilit=Bianca+Galonni.

She looks gorgeous and has 12 very positive TDs. She has no negative TDs. However be forewarned that she has 3 "Pisada na bola" which means she scheduled to meet the guys at the love motel and then cancelled at the lat moment.

Now, I have not seen her personally so I cannot vouch for her service personally. I am interested in her so if you do see her let me know.

I have others I can recommend that I know personally if you pm me.

She is 300 per hour.

[Jib Reach]

Jib Reach and Rovnak.

So I have communicated by Whatsapp with the two below. Based on your reporting, I would assume these two are fakes. One has a credit card facility and the other one's ad is now down although she says her place is near the MASP Trinon station which is close to my hotel.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...-sexo-id-sacv6

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...stoso-id-q8vv7 (Old ad).

Also like these two but no communication as of yet..

I cannot claim to be an expert on that site. Rovnak seems to be and I would follow his advice.

That said, this one seems to fit your "look" and she is well known and apparently super-nice.

https://twitter.com/manuborgesgp

[Member #4732]

Jib Reach and Rovnak.

So I have communicated by Whatsapp with the two below. Based on your reporting, I would assume these two are fakes. One has a credit card facility and the other one's ad is now down although she says her place is near the MASP Trinon station which is close to my hotel.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...-sexo-id-sacv6

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...stoso-id-q8vv7 (Old ad).

Also like these two but no communication as of yet..

Haha, now the fun stuff. First off, did you try to filter the list by the ones that already have positive TDs? That is my first and strongest recommendation:

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a.../tds-positivos

IF you look at those ladies and concentrate on the ones with multiple positive TDs or even one positive TD from a gp-guia user who writes many TDs (the red flag is a single TD by a user who has only written 1 TD) . Did you do that and find no one to whet your appetite? I would stick to that subset of already TDd ladies unless you are here long enough to sustain a few failures without ruining your trip.

Onto your choices, here is my analysis. I like your taste and I have checked out some of them before. First off, 3 of the 4 violate my "does she show her face" warning. I have mentioned that while I want to see the face, I don't trust the ads that show the face (unless it is someone well reviewed or someone that ALSO has a twitter feed where she shows her face).

Second, the types of photos are important. Do they look like "instagram" selfies, or "fake selfies" (like the woman holding a phone but the photo is being taken by someone else. These are warnings. Look at the image quality, do they look like pro fotos or "Real SELFIES" . In general the WORSE the photo quality the more likely it is to be real and conversely the better the photo the more likely it is to be fake or old. This is the TGTBT rule.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...-sexo-id-sacv6

Mel. Warnings: CC, face visible, Jardins, no TDs. Makes me think this is a Jardin agency apartment. I wouldn't risk it unless I whatsapped her and somehow I was reassured either by a video call or a promise that I could cancel without fuss if "in my opinion" she was not identical to the woman in the photo.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...stoso-id-q8vv7

Dalilia. Totally my type and I wish she was real. The woman in the photos may exist as a GP somewhere in Brasil at some time in the past or present, but I doubt this is her.

Warnings: visible face, very very pro fotos, TGTBT alarms going off right and left. I am sure I have seen those photos before.

Did a google on the phone number (another necessary step) and found that number on various other escort sites, none of which I trust. I saw her ad a long time ago and whatsapped her. She was responding fine until I wrote this, after which no response which convinced me she is fake.

Tive umas experiências ruins recentemente com mulheres que andão foram nada parecida as fotos. Vc pode me mandar numa foto caseira de HJ pra confirmar que vc é a mesma das fotos? Por favor.

Translation:

I had some bad experiences recently with women who were not anything like the photos. Can you send me a candid photo from today to confirm that you are the same as the photos? Please".

No reply said everything I needed to know.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...rtoes-id-6w7tz

Mel Lisboa. This is the most promising one.

Positive: she obscures face but show enough to know she is pretty. The photos are all in the same location, and it is a Brazil location, and it is a location I have seen before in other ads. I might have even been to that house.

Cons: the CC is not such a big deal because I know that area, Vila Mariana, there are some semi free lance massage places there, usually a house with several rooms and 2 or 3 ladies that advertise like this. The problem is that those types that emphasize massage are often reluctant to be real GFE, they don't kiss etc, and they want to do massage first, bla bla bla. So my evaluation is that she is probably real and looks like that but that she is going to try to push the massage angle and minimize the actual sex. In fact I asked her this was a shared space and she said "her and one other". Then I asked if it was primarily massage or could I go directly to sex and she replied "yes, massage" So avoid unless you LIKE massage.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...rinho-id-pqeg5

Jaqueline Malta.

Cons: very instagramish photos, shows face. Text says she is blonde but the photo is a brunnette.

Pros: bela vista has many indies, no CC.

Not really sure about this one. If it were me and I was strongly attracted I would do what I did above. Ask for a "caseira" selfie from today and a promise that I could cancel if I did not find her to be the same as the photo.

But in summary, I would stick to the reviewed chicks unless you are here for several weeks and care to take a flyer.

"Should I just give up and go to the clinicas?" Have you already been to the clinicas? If not, you certainly must go there before taking any flyer on an un reviewed freelancer. For a visitor the clinicas are always my top recommendation. And if you hit it off with someone there, you may be able to set up a separate date "encontro particular" if you are wanting something at your place.

Order of attack:

- clinicas.

- cassarao.

- frees with TDs (or strong twitter visibility).

Unreviewed free is the last resort and only if you are comfortable texting to ask the things I suggested.

[Member #4732]

Hi, Rovnak -.

Actually I was referring to complaints about Photoacompanhantes specifically. I don't mean to argue, obviously you have a great deal of experience and success, but for those with a bit less familiarity with Sao Paulo and the culture, I do urge caution. Here is a post from Gp-Guia (it's in the Commentarios section of Sao Paulo Acompanhantes from a week or two ago). The Twitter chatter is harder to find unless you are seeing it in real time.

For the benefit of the non-portuguese speakers, Polibian1 writes.

A lot of guys are complaining about frauds on Photoacompanhantes..

Yes there are many fakes which is why I wrote several long detailed posts on this site about how to identify the fakes, and minimize risk. I pointed out all of those tips and several more such as the possible correlation of credit card acceptance with agencies. Nothing in that post is new to anyone who read my posts. The flip side is that if you read many of the positive TDs many of them are linked to Photoacompanhantes. And the site has a filter option to show specifically the ladies that are positively reviewed. The sheer number of ladies on the site guarantee that there are going to be some fakes. The site even says that it has "Eliminados 44.634 anúncios com fotos falsas. " eliminated 44,000 fake announcements due to its user "denounce" policy.

Most of the guys that get burned are either not using the tips or going for the TGTBT announcements. IMO there is still no better site available for the discerning punter but as always YMMV.

Cheers.

[Big Boss Man]

Jib Reach and Rovnak.

So I have communicated by Whatsapp with the two below. Based on your reporting, I would assume these two are fakes. One has a credit card facility and the other one's ad is now down although she says her place is near the MASP Trinon station which is close to my hotel.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...-sexo-id-sacv6

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...stoso-id-q8vv7 (Old ad).

Also like these two but no communication as of yet.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...rtoes-id-6w7tz Also accepts cards.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...rinho-id-pqeg5

I have tried Tineye on all of these and found no duplicates.

Should I just give up and go to the clinicas? I always like to try something new.

[Jib Reach]

OK, but the chatter you refer to on "twitter" is not specific to false ads on photoacompanhantes. Which is what I thought you were first implying.

Hi, Rovnak -.

Actually I was referring to complaints about Photoacompanhantes specifically. I don't mean to argue, obviously you have a great deal of experience and success, but for those with a bit less familiarity with Sao Paulo and the culture, I do urge caution. Here is a post from Gp-Guia (it's in the Commentarios section of Sao Paulo Acompanhantes from a week or two ago). The Twitter chatter is harder to find unless you are seeing it in real time.

"Quantidade enorme de caras reclamando de golpes pelo site Photoacompanhantes.

AndÃO ENTREM NEM USEM ESTE SITE, Só tem perfis falsos de fotos tiradas de musas do insta quando na verdade a de fato puta é uma velha gorda feia golpista.

Algumas Rarissimas andão são fakes, mas andão compensa ficar ali pesquisando arriscando e deduzindo.

Passo 1. Se chegar no local e andão ser a mesma garota EXATAMENTE como nas fotos, andÃO faça o programa, andão pague, VÁ EMBORA. Mesmo que seja uma gostosa (RARO), ela atenderá mal, regulara tudo só pra pegar seu dinheiro ou seja, golpe do mesmo jeito.

Passo 2. Procure informações sobre a gp que você escolheu, pesquise principalmente os TDs dela.

Passo 3. Use o twitter para escolher GPS, todas as gostosas reais se anunciam por la e postam fotos / videos todo DIA.

Passo 4. Andão sabe como achar elas pelo twitter? Procure o perfil do 'O Andarilho' ou o do 'Logan GP' Eles compartilham os perfis de todas as GPS de lá.

Passo 5. Sempre que ver o anuncio de uma gp, clique na foto dela com o botão Direito e depois na opção: "Pesquisar esta imagem no google", Se aparecer a foto no google imagens ou them perfil de famosa gostosa do insta, já sabe que é fake.

Qualquer outra theúvida me marca ai que eu respondo".

For the benefit of the non-portuguese speakers, Polibian1 writes.

A lot of guys are complaining about frauds on Photoacompanhantes.

Some rare ones are not fake, but it doesn't pay off to sit there and research and guess.

Tip 1: If you get there and it is not EXACTLY the girl, don't do it. Don't pay. Leave.

Tip 2: After you choose a girl, research. Mostly her TDs.

Tip 3: Use Twitter to choose. Most of the real attractive ones use twitter.

Tip 4: If you don't know how to find them on Twitter, follow Andarilho or LoganGP on Twitter. These guys share information about GPS.

Tip 5: Once you do find a girl who is attractive, do a Google image search. If you find the image on Google images or elsewhere, you know its fake.

If you have other doubts, come back and tag me and I'll get back to you.

[PurpleKat]

Am familiar with the SP options but does anyone have any good addresses near or in Guarulhos? Did a search but only found mention of caferomany from 10 years ago. Thanks.

Will report back if I can make it to any places.

[Kcrl01]

A few things for context:

- Scandellos Entry was 150 (I believe) which can be used for consumption, which you will use up quite quickly (it basically covers just over 2 drinks). I had dinner here, a few drinks for myself and 2 drinks for girls and ran up 600 (wow). I must say I was amazed by this place, it has a modern 5-star hotel feel, and the check-in area has a (Western) Country Club vibe. The place is properly huge (4 x 4 in Rio doesn't even come close). I kept finding new area throughout the night. There were more women than you could imagine, really, all types and sizes. I don't think the quality is higher than other places, but nicer and more expensive outfits, and this would be the only places some of the classier girls would go. However, despite the numbers there were not too many exactly my type. I found one girl I really like, but after talking to her for a bit, turns out she asks for 800 an hour plus the room fee, so 1000. While the girl who was exactly my type from the night before quoted me 1000 a night. I know these can be negotiable, but she didn't sound very amendable to it, so I just tipped her and went our separate ways..

Scandallos girl's seem to dress better, many look like they go to the gym, not gin.

[Lbulbu]

True, yes, I was told by an escort who I've seen in both Rio and Sao Paulo that it is all locals in SP. I saw her first in SP in 2017 and then again in Rio in 2018 and her English had improved out of sight from moving to Rio. She said it's because in SP she really had no English speaking clients so didn't speak English, while in Rio had many English speaking clients so she spoke it often and her English was better. So understand what you are saying. My frustration with Athena was more because I thought she could have made the effort to use the translator herself. Anyway, it's a huge city and she probably gets lots of business so she doesn't need to cater to what I want (I was told though that the girls charge more when they know it's a foreigner).

I've also found a few on the escort sites who can speak some English (probably 10% or so), but none really to my liking if I'm honest..

Last year I contacted Luna, cel: [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]. She speaks very well English and the rate was are $ 250 in your place.

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[AltoBomGosto]

Gorgeous teen mulata, escola de samba type, lovely face, and beautiful body, GFE, DFK. DOGGY, MISSIONARY.

Fantastic BBBJ, DATY, CIM, CIF, no ANAL.

Gave her a tip for the excellent work.

I was in a rush, 120 reais; half hour.

ABG whatsapp [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]

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[AltoBomGosto]

Laughing. And yet I still managed to get a Bailey's with ice, find nightclubs such as Bomboa, Beaches, Bahamas and Kilt and enough clinicas near Metro stations to have a great time in Sao Paulo. Many thanks to Jackson and his discussion board. Guys I really think Sao Paulo is one of the great mongering destinations in the world if not the best. I am taking another run at it next week.

I agree 100%!

If you are in the best city for mongering, why border with amateurs, it's going to be a matter of money too!

ABG.