German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Pistons]

Salaam Pistons. Agreed. Since forever I've been standing on a box in the square cranking on about this. High entry prices (entry barriers) lead to over-professionalism & middlemanship.

Actually my calculations were too high I think. Girls shouldn't pay for management since they are the main attraction. It is just a silly gimmick seeing they are not allowed to work for the clubs. And also, since their entries are so many, they should get at least a 20 euro discount per entry from the rough numbers I came up with.

[Polyamorist]

I think a main problem is the too high entry prices girls are paying every day to work in these clubs.

Salaam Pistons. Agreed. Since forever I've been standing on a box in the square cranking on about this. High entry prices (entry barriers) lead to over-professionalism & middlemanship.

[Pistons]

I think a main problem is the too high entry prices girls are paying every day to work in these clubs.

Don't think for a moment that if the price per session goes up, the clubs won't immediately start charging the girls more.

Many clubs charge over 100 e a day for entry for the girls. This is outrageous. And also why a club like Acapulco who does not charge these outrageous amounts are able to attract top girls even when their 30 min rate is just 40 euro. Acapulco has after what I know managed to hold the entry price for girls as low as 35 euro.

Say if a girl works 25 days a month. With 115 e entry as the most expensive clubs might have for the girls, that is 2 875 e a month. In other words, over 50% of the income of an average FKK girl goes straight to the club. Sure the top girls can make much more, but this is average. And this is what causes upsells in some clubs to be higher than in other clubs.

Say 15% of a clubs income goes to pay back on a loan and return on investment (this is very high, but its a risky market). 5% goes to management. 5% goes to renovation / amenities. 15% goes to food. A club should maximum take 40% of average girls income. Which is a bit under 5000 euro a month. So a club should never take more than 80 euro on entry from the girls. Anything above that seems economically abusive towards the girls. And it increases the upsell levels. And for clubs with lower loan rates, and a good economy, this should probably never be higher than 70 euro. And considering how little girls eat compared to men, 65 e sounds more reasonable.

115 euro probably include renting a room at the club, which is 20 or 25 euro. But a room at a club should never cost more than 10, maximum 15 euro a night. Just comparing it to a hostel should tell you that. Plus the availability of this offer from a club towards the girls enhances the clubs competitiveness towards other clubs. So there should be a rebate.

Still, a 10 e price hike for 30 min would be reasonable also. As long as the clubs don't take any of it.

[Pistons]

One thing I love about FKK is that FKK actually offer escort girls who usually charge 300 euro plus per hour. Those are minority and only very few in line up of FKK, but these I call stunners. And those tend to offer amazing dirty service when I gave into upsell usually ranging from 150 euro per hour and max I had to give in was 200 euro per hour. Which for me was defeat of negotiation, but hey, my penis do the thinking too in FKK sometimes LOL.

I like to look at girls I fuck before and FKK enable me to look at escort girl first and then decide if I want to go with her or not. Where as escort you can send them back politely upon opening of hotel door. But it is major turn off after the wait in hotel room.

Only if or when you are used to Tokyo prices.

[Tintin1]

I tried that twice. Once in Berlin and once in Prague. I have to say the price both places were not worth it. Slightly cheaper in Prague than in Berlin, but also the service was far far worse there with the local girl than what I had with a girl from New Zealand in Berlin. I think perhaps the choice you have of girls in Berlin makes it a good location if you really want to try this tantric thing. And I suspect you don't mean normal prostitutes who also claim to be doing tantric massage. But the tantric stuff without insertion. Either way, time and money was still better spent at an FKK in my eyes. Even if I felt I almost hit bullseye with the new Zealand girl.

I equate the Tantric thing, to an amazing massage where you wish someone would just "finish you off". The girl is sexy and then you are horny as hell but I'm A LAZY GUY. I want to be pampered and I want someone else to do all the work. The Tantric ladies who are the best have these tricks with their legs and boobs where for a second I actually think I'm having sex without a condom. Some of these ladies just twist my brain in circles. The better ladies call it edging, where for 30 min to an hour they keep you just at the edge of orgasm and then BAM.

Also, a few nights in a row of a FKK, you can be a bit tired and want to be pampered. It's a personal thing. Just like I don't like red headed girls, the next guy ONLY likes red heads. When it comes to sex, nothing makes sense or "everything does".

[Mr Ho]

I tried that twice. Once in Berlin and once in Prague. I have to say the price both places were not worth it. Slightly cheaper in Prague than in Berlin, but also the service was far far worse there with the local girl than what I had with a girl from New Zealand in Berlin. I think perhaps the choice you have of girls in Berlin makes it a good location if you really want to try this tantric thing. And I suspect you don't mean normal prostitutes who also claim to be doing tantric massage. But the tantric stuff without insertion. Either way, time and money was still better spent at an FKK in my eyes. Even if I felt I almost hit bullseye with the new Zealand girl.

One thing I love about FKK is that FKK actually offer escort girls who usually charge 300 euro plus per hour. Those are minority and only very few in line up of FKK, but these I call stunners. And those tend to offer amazing dirty service when I gave into upsell usually ranging from 150 euro per hour and max I had to give in was 200 euro per hour. Which for me was defeat of negotiation, but hey, my penis do the thinking too in FKK sometimes LOL.

I like to look at girls I fuck before and FKK enable me to look at escort girl first and then decide if I want to go with her or not. Where as escort you can send them back politely upon opening of hotel door. But it is major turn off after the wait in hotel room.

[Mr Ho]

I knew a escort, Mia who also worked at Zeus, then Aphrodite close to Montreux, but it was on 2011, when I didn't even know about German FKK. She was exceptional for chic beauty, charm, elegance and sweetness, feeling like with a real woman, and very good point for my mind, even I was sometimes answered she was booked, but I never saw her with another guy. When I went to Aphrodite, she was waiting for me, better image for desire, met many times, good for recovering after ski. Aphrodite may be closed now.

Brothels are in German culture, in Italy, privates and escorts, France is like USA about sex, better to eat Macdonald.

FKK format is addictive thing. It is like grown man's Disney land where we can play and relax and store some life long memory. It kind of make me live youthful offspring that never end.

FKK gives me hypothetical, but real sexually based romance every time I visit and fine new young beautiful girl. One can live love life that is never ending with FKK to your optical and service choice.

[Pistons]

or I go off to Berlin and hope for some Indie escort time and maybe even a Tantric Massage (Berlin seems to be the hub of tantric offerings).

I tried that twice. Once in Berlin and once in Prague. I have to say the price both places were not worth it. Slightly cheaper in Prague than in Berlin, but also the service was far far worse there with the local girl than what I had with a girl from New Zealand in Berlin. I think perhaps the choice you have of girls in Berlin makes it a good location if you really want to try this tantric thing. And I suspect you don't mean normal prostitutes who also claim to be doing tantric massage. But the tantric stuff without insertion. Either way, time and money was still better spent at an FKK in my eyes. Even if I felt I almost hit bullseye with the new Zealand girl.

[Pessimist]

How do you Frankfurt guys in here suspect the Deutsche Bank problems to affect the hessen p6 market? I suspect most of the well paid layoffs are in Frankfurt.

The biggest cuts are in the areas of investment banking and equity sales. By far the most impacted offices are NYC and London and to some extent Singapore etc. Sewing did not detail the job cuts by office, but by most accounts it will be the above listed location offices impacted the most. Also, it is easier to lay-off in NYC and London quickly in general, plus Frankfurt has a lot less exposure to Global equity sales which is the key focus for cuts.

I think the impact on Hessen cuts is minimal to almost nothing. I don't think they are letting go more than a couple of thousand Frankfurt employees at most, and many of them may find other jobs. In an economy the size of Hessen, that will have very limited impact. If those guys saved up enough, and with more time on hand, they may visit the clubs more often till they find something another job haha.

The ongoing trade war will have a bigger impact. If Renminbi is under a lot more pressure and if China's outbound passengers stay home due to less confidence in their own finances, there will be less business for the Asian hunters at Sharks.

[XXL]

OK. You either like these posts or you think I'm an idiot. So please, if you can- just offer suggestions on the route. (I know I'm an idiot already).

I have to visit a few factories but can plan my itinerary pretty freely. It will be in the midst of the winter so I will take trains between cities. I don't love the idea of driving and DB offers good train service.

I will start in Bavaria with 2 nights: Augsburg (Coliseum) and Munich (Sunshine) . Munich just remodeled their FKK and the first reports are good.

Then where next?

Nuremberg is a wasteland, Offenbach? Or should I just continue to Frankfurt.
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From Munich / Augsburg to Stuttgart. Paradise. Plenty of hotels within walking distance of Paradise. I recommend Ibis (easy parking).

Next day scenic drive from Stuttgart to Frankfurt

[Tintin1]

OK. You either like these posts or you think I'm an idiot. So please, if you can- just offer suggestions on the route. (I know I'm an idiot already).

I have to visit a few factories but can plan my itinerary pretty freely. It will be in the midst of the winter so I will take trains between cities. I don't love the idea of driving and DB offers good train service.

I will start in Bavaria with 2 nights: Augsburg (Coliseum) and Munich (Sunshine) . Munich just remodeled their FKK and the first reports are good.

Then where next?

Nuremberg is a wasteland, Offenbach? Or should I just continue to Frankfurt.
(haven't checked the indies yet so there is always "hope").

Next up Frankfurt 2 nights (Sharks and Palace).

Then in the direction of Cologne / NRW. I can spend 1 to 2 nights but planning is hard as the forum is filled with almost more bad reviews than good ones. Either I stop in, Cologne, then pick among Dusseldorf, Dortmund or even Wupperthal for a second night based on the best train schedule and the most recent forum posts or I go off to Berlin and hope for some Indie escort time and maybe even a Tantric Massage (Berlin seems to be the hub of tantric offerings). Cologne has the advantage of being a nice city to walk around and explore during the day, even in the winter.

End in Berlin for 2- 3 nights and hospital rehab.

Thank you.

[Pistons]

How do you Frankfurt guys in here suspect the Deutsche Bank problems to affect the hessen p6 market? I suspect most of the well paid layoffs are in Frankfurt.

[Sirioja]

Aphrodite. I did not know about that club, are line up as good as German FKK or globe?

It is odd that such a big demand in Geneve and no good brothel. I imagine the authority is tougher in Geneve being base for who, UN etc.

When it comes to best brothels, there is something to do with German speaking part LOL. They tend to have the best brothel of whole world. Are German speaking more sexual or just organized or both.

I knew a escort, Mia who also worked at Zeus, then Aphrodite close to Montreux, but it was on 2011, when I didn't even know about German FKK. She was exceptional for chic beauty, charm, elegance and sweetness, feeling like with a real woman, and very good point for my mind, even I was sometimes answered she was booked, but I never saw her with another guy. When I went to Aphrodite, she was waiting for me, better image for desire, met many times, good for recovering after ski. Aphrodite may be closed now.

Brothels are in German culture, in Italy, privates and escorts, France is like USA about sex, better to eat Macdonald.

[Mr Ho]

There were few clubs in French part, Aphrodite close to Montreux and one close to Neuchatel, brothers with Zeus, but I think in Geneva, only privates and escorts. Swiss FKK land is Zurich, only 1 close to Aarau, 1 close to Bern, 2 around Basel, 1 Globe brother close to German border, 1 Globe brother close to Luzern but not Zeus. Albanian drug dealers also know about Zurich business.

Aphrodite. I did not know about that club, are line up as good as German FKK or globe?

It is odd that such a big demand in Geneve and no good brothel. I imagine the authority is tougher in Geneve being base for who, UN etc.

When it comes to best brothels, there is something to do with German speaking part LOL. They tend to have the best brothel of whole world. Are German speaking more sexual or just organized or both.

[Sirioja]

Sirioja? How are Geneve scene? I lived in Geneve long time ago, but there really were limited brothel there, only one that was good was called something like Villa 49 or villa something front of Balexert shopping mall in residence area.

Are there any FKK like brothel or something as good in Geneve? It was so odd because Zurich was such a good mongering city, but french part really was not as good. It got to do with German speaking area? LOL.

There were few clubs in French part, Aphrodite close to Montreux and one close to Neuchatel, brothers with Zeus, but I think in Geneva, only privates and escorts. Swiss FKK land is Zurich, only 1 close to Aarau, 1 close to Bern, 2 around Basel, 1 Globe brother close to German border, 1 Globe brother close to Luzern but not Zeus. Albanian drug dealers also know about Zurich business.