Jakarta

[JKTBanger]

You will get this experience all the time if you want to be treated like that. Remember you are visiting s bordello which has a management, need a repeated business and thus reputation is paramount.

I wonder why did not you complain to the management?

If many visitors take the same actions and tell them that they will expose their bad experience to let other people know about their premises I believe they will take it serious.

I didn't bother complaining because it didn't seem like a very friendly, or safe, place and from the moment I walked in they seemed to almost shrug off the fact that I was there. They were much more focused on a house full of locals, and seemed more annoyed that a foreigner was there than being keen on my business. Lots of rough looking Indonesian guys who'd had a number of drinks in the main room and also had scooped up almost all the girls, many of the girls didn't even make eye contact with me. I'm fine with popping in and checking the place out, but they seem much more concerned with Indonesian business and I had a feeling that my complains would either get me a F off or thrown down the stairs. But almost certainly not another girl. I won't be back unless someone else has a better story and some details that helps me right if off as just an off night. Which it may have been. Maybe I was there on the wrong day / time.

[JKTBanger]

I'm not an expat but I have never had to buy multiple drinks in any Jakarta bar. Nothing like Soi 6 in Jakarta. The closest would be the small bars in Kota Indah. Most guys go alone. Once you deflect the papasans you can sit there all night and enjoy your drink until you see a girl you like. Same for the spas and bars in Kelapa Gading. Neither of these areas are nearly as touristy as Classic and Travel. You'll likely be the only Farang in the bars as it's more for locals.

Photo of Sumo Spa in Kelapa Gading. Kelapa Gading is a great place to bar and spa hop for a couple of nights. It's just far away. Don't go during rush hour!

Thanks for the recommendation, I'm not familiar with this area. Would you be able to recommend any bar areas or bars in the north that are popular with the freelancers, but maybe not as organized as a spa? Something like a very seedy version of Eastern Promise with fewer foreigners and cheaper girls would be excellent. That said, I'm still making a note of Sumo Spa! Will need to make a visit, but please do let me know if there are any other spots in the area since it is a bit of a trip.

[Possessed Seoul]

Indonesia in a nutshell. Customer service or taking responsibility is a relatively foreign concept.

Yeah, maybe this works in western places but this is Indonesia, you can complain to your heart's content, you'll get a shrug from whoever you are complaining to and later they'll talk among themselves about the grumpy old bule who had some problem or other about something (and possibly by that stage the girl has already given her side of the story about how you were some beastly pervert trying to inveigle her into all sorts of unnatural practices) and nothing will be done.

Perhaps if you are a very rich Chinese bloke who regularly orders $400 bottles of cognac on his visits people might pay attention, if you are just Joe Schmoe bule racking up for the first time, ordering a couple of bottles of Bintang and complaining about the service don't expect to find the maitre'd running to do your bidding, rubbing his hands in supplication as he tries to salvage your evening.

Just chalk it up to experience, leave and don't bother going back.

[Hilo77]

You will get this experience all the time if you want to be treated like that. Remember you are visiting s bordello which has a management, need a repeated business and thus reputation is paramount.

I wonder why did not you complain to the management?

If many visitors take the same actions and tell them that they will expose their bad experience to let other people know about their premises I believe they will take it serious.

Yeah, maybe this works in western places but this is Indonesia, you can complain to your heart's content, you'll get a shrug from whoever you are complaining to and later they'll talk among themselves about the grumpy old bule who had some problem or other about something (and possibly by that stage the girl has already given her side of the story about how you were some beastly pervert trying to inveigle her into all sorts of unnatural practices) and nothing will be done.

Perhaps if you are a very rich Chinese bloke who regularly orders $400 bottles of cognac on his visits people might pay attention, if you are just Joe Schmoe bule racking up for the first time, ordering a couple of bottles of Bintang and complaining about the service don't expect to find the maitre'd running to do your bidding, rubbing his hands in supplication as he tries to salvage your evening.

Just chalk it up to experience, leave and don't bother going back.

[Egy Monger New]

I am expecting either Thailand or Indo will open to tourists towards end of this year

Indonesians love to use foreigners as the scapegoat for new infections, so I can't see borders opening for tourists anytime soon.

You could still come on a 6-month B2 A11 business visa, but it ain't cheap ($500).

[Banana Boi]

Has anyone else had any experiences at VFour, and what were they? Any experiences in that area or other places that might be better to check out? Ideally I'd love to find a bar that resembles a bar on Pattaya soi 6, where it's more like a pub where I can go alone and buy a single drink, and not be stuck buying a whole set with mixers in a mini nightclub environment. Thoughts?

I'm not an expat but I have never had to buy multiple drinks in any Jakarta bar. Nothing like Soi 6 in Jakarta. The closest would be the small bars in Kota Indah. Most guys go alone. Once you deflect the papasans you can sit there all night and enjoy your drink until you see a girl you like. Same for the spas and bars in Kelapa Gading. Neither of these areas are nearly as touristy as Classic and Travel. You'll likely be the only Farang in the bars as it's more for locals.

Photo of Sumo Spa in Kelapa Gading. Kelapa Gading is a great place to bar and spa hop for a couple of nights. It's just far away. Don't go during rush hour!

[Adindas]

I'm writing this from a taxi on the way back from VFour. It was open and they were serving alcohol, but needing to buy a bottle and mixer set when your on your own isn't really ideal. It is Saturday night, and all of the tables were full except on in the far back dark corner. There were two girls in the seating corner that weren't already with local customers, so I grabbed the better looking of the two and went up to a room. My experience was a little different, maybe 9 pm on Saturday isn't the best time.

Girls name was Loly, 19 years old. First 20 minutes was spent trying to get her off her phone chatting with someone. When I started getting noticeably annoyed she put it down and motioned me to the shower. The shower and the room, but especially the shower, haven't been cleaned since it was a Dutch neighborhood. Door said it was a VIP room, but maybe all the doors say that.

No play, no idea or desire to give a blowjob, insisted on a condom that was thicker than her covid mask. Basically stared at her watch while I dry fucked her for 15 minutes before losing interest. Didn't cum, didn't have fun, total damage was 600 k.

I get that it is hit or miss, but this one was a miss by a mile! I did a quick walk down the street to see if anything else was open, but it started to rain so I ran out by the market and jumped into a taxi home.

Loly's Instagram is: lolylan11.

Avoid that one.

You will get this experience all the time if you want to be treated like that. Remember you are visiting s bordello which has a management, need a repeated business and thus reputation is paramount.

I wonder why did not you complain to the management?

If many visitors take the same actions and tell them that they will expose their bad experience to let other people know about their premises I believe they will take it serious.

[JKTBanger]

These things can happen in normal time also. When negative incidents happen during hunting I won't carry it in mind. Thanks for the tip JKT BANGER. How is spas in Kelapa Gading? Google search showed most of them are closed. I am expecting either Thailand or Indo will open to tourists towards end of this year. Your reports are giving a positive inspiration on Jakarta.

I'm not familiar with the spas in Kelapa Gading, and a quick Google Maps search didn't really turn up much. I tend to search for Bar and Massage as those seem to be where the fun is. If I am making the trip, I leave feeling ripped off if I have to wait through an hour of back rubbing only for an average hand job. That normally doesn't even keep me hard. Last thing I want is a massage if it isn't a brothel in disguise. If you are aware of some good places in that area, I am happy to scout them out and report back.

Most of the places I massage places I have been going to are in South Jakarta as it is a little closer to home. There are a few decent ones around Blok M that are open, and one near Gandaria Mall that I reported on a few posts back that has been fun.

I'd love to find some of the more extreme places. I read posts from the past about guys fucking on the side of rail road tracks or in shanties under a bridge. I'd love to find some of these areas, but from the exploring I've done it seems like it is recently shut down or is a relic of a past era. If anyone has any advise, I am all ears!

[JKTBanger]

You should have kicked her out after 10 seconds. A girl doesn't turn her phone off as soon as she enters the room I call mamasan and get her replaced. Easy.

Yea, I hear ya. I guess it depends on your level of comfort in the place where you are. I've never been to VFour before, and maybe my read is wrong, but it felt like it was a lot more of a locals place that is run by gangsters and don't much care what a foreigner wants after your money is in their pocket. It was pretty rough and wasn't very welcoming. Honestly, it makes me miss Travelers and Classic. In this case, it wasn't clear who the Mamasan even was and from the attitude I don't think they would replace anything without another 600 k.

I am still fairly new to Jakarta, still reading the forum and poking my head around. But I do have over a decade in Thailand so am not new to the game, only the country. I think being alone in a back areas of a dump building just had me doing some risk vs. Reward, and I opted to not make waves.

Has anyone else had any experiences at VFour, and what were they? Any experiences in that area or other places that might be better to check out? Ideally I'd love to find a bar that resembles a bar on Pattaya soi 6, where it's more like a pub where I can go alone and buy a single drink, and not be stuck buying a whole set with mixers in a mini nightclub environment. Thoughts?

[Muzungufotsy]

Girls name was Loly, 19 years old. First 20 minutes was spent trying to get her off her phone chatting with someone. When I started getting noticeably annoyed she put it down and motioned me to the shower. The shower and the room, but especially the shower, haven't been cleaned since it was a Dutch neighborhood. Door said it was a VIP room, but maybe all the doors say that.

No play, no idea or desire to give a blowjob, insisted on a condom that was thicker than her covid mask. Basically stared at her watch while I dry fucked her for 15 minutes before losing interest. Didn't cum, didn't have fun, total damage was 600 k.

I get that it is hit or miss, but this one was a miss by a mile! I did a quick walk down the street to see if anything else was open, but it started to rain so I ran out by the market and jumped into a taxi home.

Loly's Instagram is: lolylan11.

Avoid that one.

You should have kicked her out after 10 seconds. A girl doesn't turn her phone off as soon as she enters the room I call mamasan and get her replaced. Easy.

[Thampi62]

These things can happen in normal time also. When negative incidents happen during hunting I won't carry it in mind. Thanks for the tip JKT BANGER. How is spas in Kelapa Gading? Google search showed most of them are closed. I am expecting either Thailand or Indo will open to tourists towards end of this year[myhope]. Your reports are giving a positive inspiration on Jakarta.

[JKTBanger]

Happy to hear that KI is active even in this situation. Welcome report friend. Expecting more reports from Jakarta forum. It will be an encouragement for held up mongers.

I'm writing this from a taxi on the way back from VFour. It was open and they were serving alcohol, but needing to buy a bottle and mixer set when your on your own isn't really ideal. It is Saturday night, and all of the tables were full except on in the far back dark corner. There were two girls in the seating corner that weren't already with local customers, so I grabbed the better looking of the two and went up to a room. My experience was a little different, maybe 9 pm on Saturday isn't the best time.

Girls name was Loly, 19 years old. First 20 minutes was spent trying to get her off her phone chatting with someone. When I started getting noticeably annoyed she put it down and motioned me to the shower. The shower and the room, but especially the shower, haven't been cleaned since it was a Dutch neighborhood. Door said it was a VIP room, but maybe all the doors say that.

No play, no idea or desire to give a blowjob, insisted on a condom that was thicker than her covid mask. Basically stared at her watch while I dry fucked her for 15 minutes before losing interest. Didn't cum, didn't have fun, total damage was 600 k.

I get that it is hit or miss, but this one was a miss by a mile! I did a quick walk down the street to see if anything else was open, but it started to rain so I ran out by the market and jumped into a taxi home.

Loly's Instagram is: lolylan11.

Avoid that one.

[Menteng]

Neither of the two girls that I tried would accept a tip, explaining that the establishment has a strict policy against the girls asking for or accepting tips. This seemed kinda strange to me, and I tried to slide a few bills into her purse but she was pretty firm on giving it back. Strange.

Maybe because there is a hidden camera to monitor the action in the room LOL.

[JKTBanger]

I went looking around a little closer to home, and found a place that is new to me and worth raising a report on. It's located almost directly across from Gandaria City Mall, here is the place:

https://goo.gl/maps/J2oT6zcqR11unc8Y7

It's right next door to Duncan Donuts, and it looks like they have consolidated the hotel and the spa into just the hotel and removed any references to the spa. Assuming it is because of covid. They have a few girls available starting at 3 pm, and have about 20-25 girls available after 6 pm. There is a small bar / coffee shop on the ground floor, just walk straight through the little lobby / front desk area toward the back of the building. I was told that they stay open until midnight, but suspect it depends on customers.

I went there a couple days ago and again earlier today just after they opened at 3 pm. You pay 200 k for the room in the hotel, and then give the girl another 150 k after you get into the room. Neither of the two girls that I tried would accept a tip, explaining that the establishment has a strict policy against the girls asking for or accepting tips. This seemed kinda strange to me, and I tried to slide a few bills into her purse but she was pretty firm on giving it back. Strange. The place has a pretty anything goes norm I think. No problems with CIP and both girls had no issues sticking a tongue up your arse. Was all in for 350 k, and well worth it.

[Thampi62]

All those places you mentioned have been shut since March 2020.

The Kota Indah brothels are alive and kicking. As an added bonus, they're now for the first time ever open during Ramadan (with the exception of Starmoon).

Happy to hear that KI is active even in this situation. Welcome report friend. Expecting more reports from Jakarta forum. It will be an encouragement for held up mongers.