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08-11-19 07:52 #45957
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Crocodilexp [View Original Post]
I have never seen a Thai man buying a condom in a 7-11 or a drug store.
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08-11-19 07:52 #45956
Posts: 1232Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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08-11-19 07:47 #45955
Posts: 3497Originally Posted by Crocodilexp [View Original Post]
I also used to think they always used condoms, but now i realize that is just not the truth.
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08-11-19 07:44 #45954
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by HoustonPlayer [View Original Post]
No, the reason she was fumphering around trying to come up with a reason why the new rule was "no CIP" is very, very likely to be the usual one with girls when they change that particular rule, which isn't very often but does happen.
Would you like to know what that usual reason is? It is about a boyfriend, husband or sponsor the girl lives with or sees so often and on whom she relies for regular, ongoing income. You see, between the earlier times when she was carried away or just plain fine with BBFS+CIP and subsequent times, she has had more time to figure out that if she ever comes up pregnant or with a bug of some kind, what will she tell her unknowing sponsor or live-in boyfriend.
I know that possibility didn't occur to you when you were searching for reasons to blame the customer here. But, in reality, if I had posted a 5 chapter tome on everything I ever saw or heard this girl say and do, maybe you would have come to the same conclusion. In my case, I don't think it matters one whit why a girl changes the rules. I don't need to know the reason, it isn't my right or business to know why, as far as I'm concerned she doesn't need a reason at all. Of course, the inclination is to ask why at the moment. But I did not pursue it any more than that.
Her decision this time around with me was to assume, "He's a nice guy. I won't tell him until we get to the room. He'll probably not have sex with me but pay me anyway. " A classic assumption.
Her scramble at the last second to come up with the bit about how she was only joking was clear as a bell she'd been cornered by my not being that kind of "nice guy" into agreeing to something she really, really did not want to do since it might someday jeopardize her ongoing income stream. You could have laughed off such an attempt and fucked her bareback and cum into her pussy then if you had been in my position. But, for me, I am never so desperate for an ejaculation with any particular girl this very minute that I felt the need to take advantage of the situation. Besides, there was plenty of time for her to go out and get another customer.
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08-11-19 07:40 #45953
Posts: 1232Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
I've actually visited quite a few Thai brothels a fair number of times (not just Rachada massage parlors, but the real working-class ones) and I'm not just engaging in mere speculation. Condom use in those places is consistent (and service level rather low overall, but that's a different topic). Seems like you like to believe things which make you feel better about your own practices that put others (both punters and working girls) at risk.
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08-11-19 07:31 #45952
Posts: 1232Originally Posted by Kuratla [View Original Post]
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08-11-19 07:20 #45951
Posts: 341Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Who knows why she didn't want you to CIP on this specific occasion but she may have had some legitimate reason. You however on your power trip decide to kick her out and teach her a lesson. Well I hope the lesson she learned is to never see you again.
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08-11-19 05:25 #45950
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Crocodilexp [View Original Post]
However, on the "Everything, up to you" exchange in general, and not that it was that way with the above girl, there is usually more to it than simply hearing the word "Everything" and assuming "anything" without further investigation. It is easy to confirm that the girl knows the meaning of "Everything" but is simply not saying it directly the way most Thai girls will not do on the street or in a bar anyway.
It usually goes something like this, whether it is a FL or a bargirl, doesn't much matter:
(Whatever asking price) 2,500 baht? Pang pang (expensive). What will be do in the room?
"Huh?"
What will we do for 2,500 baht?
"Everything. Up to you. I will make you happy! 2 hours. Oh, except butt sex. I don't like. Haha"
Everything? Jing jing? (Really?) No problem about that other thing. I don't like butt sex.
"Jing jing haha"
Great! I like Everything, Up To Me, You Make Me Happy. Ok. I will give you 2,500 baht for that.
"Ok!"
Sorry, but when a Thai girl looks an English speaking Westerner in the face, says it that way with plenty of opportunities to redefine the terms, clarify, make other exceptions, ask further what I mean, not confirm at any point if she wants, etc and accompanies it with a request for an amount of money greater than the average weekly pay in her country for 2 hours of her time and effort, it is ridiculous for her to then feign ignorance in the room or try to make you believe there must have been a misunderstanding, blah, blah, blah.
I am not saying the girl won't feign ignorance and all that anyway. She might. But she has no real standing to do it. The one who was led to misunderstand was the customer, not the girl. It is ridiculous for her to be the one who misunderstood considering she has probably been hit up for BBFS+CIP 10 times in the past two weeks and she knows damn well what she was hoping you would think in order to get you to pay her barfine or walk away with her on the street.
Should the customer then be exceedingly specific with something like, "Oh. You mean Bareback Fucking, no condom is ok for you?" Only if the guy wants to push her into saying No on the street when the strong implication in all its typical Thai style of communication was it would be Yes in the room. IMO, the implication here with that kind of exchange without spelling it out is as blatant as when the girl takes a condom package out of her purse, lays it on the bedside table and then says nothing more about it, never reaches for it and never requires it during the session. Now, when she does not reach for it, is that also the moment the customer should blurt out, "Golly gee! Does this mean you want us to fuck without that thing?" Sure. If he wants her to roll her eyes, shake her head and reach for the condom package to open it and put it on his dick.
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08-11-19 04:54 #45949
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
How do I know that? Because Thai men are by far the most common customers for Thai hookers and by and large they aren't using condoms. As an aside, most Westerners have misinterpreted what that "100% Condom Use" push was, even to the point of thinking it was some kind of law, official rule or regulation. No. It was merely a push by the government asking bar and brothel owners not to penalize, punish or give refunds when a girl chooses not to give what had then as well as now been accepted around the country as "standard service" bareback sex. It was asking them to give the girl the power to say No to any customer for bareback sex for any reason without penalty. I think that is a reasonable, good policy. But it is only a policy chosen by the particular bar or brothel owner and the particular girl. Nothing more.
Bareback sex might not be "standard service" for some customers in some red light districts, by the choice of those customers and the particular hookers they take. There is no handbook, no guidebook, no national agreement and certainly no law or official regulation limiting anything decided upon between a hooker and her customer. And for the country of Thailand, bareback sex is far and away more "standard service" than DFK, Rimming and BBBJ+CIM, which, ironically, many Westerners in those certain red light districts think is or ought to be standard service.
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08-11-19 04:41 #45948
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Syzygies [View Original Post]
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08-11-19 03:18 #45947
Posts: 496Prices around NEP
Dear All,
It's been a while have not travel to Bangkok, anyone can give us the present on going rate at those bars in nana entertainment plaza? Last time I pay 800 baht for barfine and 2500 baht for ST and 4000 baht for LT. Thanks for feedback.
Cheers,
MD.
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08-11-19 03:03 #45946
Posts: 239Question about Duangporn Haven BJ bar
Never been there before. Is it 800 baht for one shot or is it 800 baht for a set amount of time (say 30 minutes) and if you can manage two shots in that time then go for it?
Thanks in advance.
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08-11-19 02:58 #45945
Posts: 1222My Two Cents
There are two separate issues on ET's Post.
BBFS including CIP and the girl not delivering what was negotiated.
I'm not moralizing and what's happens between consenting adults, it is their business but negative test results, vasectomies circumcisions etc notwithstanding I believe it is ill-advised. The majority of girls that provide it are either sufficiently unaware of the dangers or need the money and they are a minority of working girls.
On the second issue of not delivering what was promised it is perfectly acceptable to end the session early. Apart from how it is done which should be without unnecessary rancor it comes down to how much if anything to pay her. There are no hard and fast rules.
A lot depends on how much time had elapsed, what services were already delivered before the girl refused to continue with what she agreed to, was there a genuine misunderstanding or did she intentionally deceive.
When it's happened to me and as I imagine with most members it has more than once I do give her some money based on the above criteria.
Most important however it is handled is to stay calm and avoid acrimony which could get out of hand.
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08-10-19 23:03 #45944
Posts: 1232Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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08-10-19 21:53 #45943
Posts: 3497Originally Posted by Turgid [View Original Post]