Kyiv

[Timmy21]

Sorry, guys, but entrance rules into Ukraine have changed again. The government decided to tighten the rules for the entry of foreigners and citizens into Ukraine. Anyone who does not have a coronavirus vaccine will be required to self-isolate and do a PCR test.

According to the new rules for crossing the border of Ukraine, foreigners are required to have an Ukrainian-based insurance policy in case of coronavirus disease, a document that confirms the full course of vaccination, or a negative test result for COVID-19. If a foreigner does not have the above documents, he will be asked to install the "DOMA" app and he will have to do a PCR test within the next 72 hours. Foreigners with a residence permit in Ukraine are freely to enter if they have a document confirming the full course of vaccination. If not, they will also have to install the DOMA app and do a PCR test within the next 72 hours. Citizens of Ukraine will have unhindered rights in crossing the border if they have a document confirming the full course of vaccination, or a certificate of first vaccination.

All vaccinated persons who have been in Russia and India for more than a week over the past two weeks are required to observe 14-day self-isolation without the right to early termination.

These new rules come into effect as of midnight August 5, 2021.

My gosh, I'll be there in 6 weeks, staring to worry a bit, but these changes appear to effect those who have not been vaccinated, I've been fully vaccinated and just purchased my insurance today, I hope no more changes. Also, the visit Ukraine site is listing Great Britain along with Russia and India.

[Uke Boy]

Sorry, guys, but entrance rules into Ukraine have changed again. The government decided to tighten the rules for the entry of foreigners and citizens into Ukraine. Anyone who does not have a coronavirus vaccine will be required to self-isolate and do a PCR test.

According to the new rules for crossing the border of Ukraine, foreigners are required to have an Ukrainian-based insurance policy in case of coronavirus disease, a document that confirms the full course of vaccination, or a negative test result for COVID-19. If a foreigner does not have the above documents, he will be asked to install the "DOMA" app and he will have to do a PCR test within the next 72 hours. Foreigners with a residence permit in Ukraine are freely to enter if they have a document confirming the full course of vaccination. If not, they will also have to install the DOMA app and do a PCR test within the next 72 hours. Citizens of Ukraine will have unhindered rights in crossing the border if they have a document confirming the full course of vaccination, or a certificate of first vaccination.

All vaccinated persons who have been in Russia and India for more than a week over the past two weeks are required to observe 14-day self-isolation without the right to early termination.

These new rules come into effect as of midnight August 5, 2021.

[Ivan Buyan]

It has been stated many times (incuding few times in SprKiev21 awesome posts) that when inviting any girl to your apartment you must be careful with your belongings.

Here's a a story from Summer 2015.

My partner came from abroad and rented an apartment for few weeks in the center of Obolon (for those who don't know. Obolon is a nice district which gets really busy in summer because it has a lot of beaches. Its more of the residential area but it does have tons of hot ladies in warm months and some really good restaurants). Anyway, my partner speaks good russian, we had some drinks, weed and decided to invite couple girls from a website.

We were not drunk, we knew all the precautions and had all the valuable things stored in a place unreachable.

So a pimp sent us a taxi with 2 girls, they were good looking and we took them. We did drink some more whiskey all together, talked, smoked and had fun. The girls were easy going and I liked their company.

We were super horny after couple hours of such talking to semi naked girls all on weed and booth.

So we had sex, the girls left, I tiped 20 dollar each for really good service (even though when they just came we paid upfront on the very first minute they steped into the apartment).

And then we found out that my partner lacks the diamond ring on his finger. First we thought we lost it before hookers came but then we checked photos we made that night and the ring was there before hookers came.

The hooker was sucking on his fingers during sex and took the ring!

So be careful. Never underestimate how crazy Kiev girls may be.

Next day we called the site, talked to the pimp, told we lost the ring and were even ready to pay for it but noone cared.

[Riina]

Knowing local girls and having them to refer other girls to you, as YummyPL has told to be having, seems like the best way.

The guy with the time and a deep wallet with a bit of persistence has all the pussy he needs in Kiev.

[Kozerog]

Keep in mind that Ukrainian girls (same like girls from any other country) like to look sexy but do not like sex.

If a woman admits she wants sex, that reduces her sexual power. In the extreme case where the woman wants sex morev than the man, the man has the sexual power. This is acceptable in northern Europe or the USA, because woman have legal, political and economic power in those countries. But in Ukraine, and especially for poor working girls, sex is girls' only source of power, so they guard that power jealously, by pretending not to like sex. They only relax when they are confident the man will not take advantage of their display of enjoyment, such as by saying "You enjoyed the sex even more than me, so why should I pay you instead of you paying me?" With Photoslider, presumably the girls have confidence that he would not say this or something similar.

My own experience is that I often have to force Ukrainian girls (and sexually conservative American girls long ago) to enjoy. Basically, girl lies quietly, then after 25 or so minutes she cannot control herself anymore and involuntarily orgasms when I do. So she can tell herself that it was entirely my decision to make her cum, and since she never expressed any desire for sexual pleasure, she has lost none of her sexual power. I prefer this sort of sex because it lasts longer. (Note that I practice sexual kung fui, and am multi-orgasmic and my orgasms are not ejaculatory. Ability to control my orgasms precisely helps a lot with forcing sexually restrained girls to orgasm.).

Though I'm not actively looking now, I want to thank SprKiev21 for probably the best report this forum has ever had. Only thing I'll add is that you don't have to be connected to that network of pimps he mentioned to get access to lots of non publicly available girls. All you need is to find one semi-pro, treat her nicely, then get her to connect you to her friends. As your reputation spreads, you will soon have your own network. But this does take time.

As for language, my impression is that English levels are rapidly rising. Almost all the young people speak at A2 level now, though they may be shy to admit it because FSU education system teaches students to be terrified of making grammar mistakes. A2 level English plus sign language is plenty enough for mongering. I speak B1 Russian myself (understand B2, read at C1 level).

[SprKiev21]

I'm actually glad that I didn't have the chance to read that before my trip. A very good contribution to this issue. Kiev is a joy to visit because the girls are so flirtatious in their sexual appeal, but for me the action side was left as poor. I had four Mamba contacts which wanted to meet, but which I actually skipped. I will get better (best) service from my regular back at home at basicky the same price. I enjoyed the city very much, there is eye candy everywhere. If I weren't so shy towards approaching strangers in sexual context, I would have had better success ("8"'s) on the street than on a ton of hours spent on the internet. What I think of this now is that if one had a solid Tinder profile and a good rapport on communicating girls through chatting, it might be the best venue to find company. But this is just guessing. Knowing local girls and having them to refer other girls to you, as YummyPL has told to be having, seems like the best way.

On Tinder just be careful. If you managed to setup a date than invite the girl to the place of your choice and if she's trying to drug you somewhere else than you should cancel the date for your own benefit.

[Desin]

I'm actually glad that I didn't have the chance to read that before my trip. A very good contribution to this issue. Kiev is a joy to visit because the girls are so flirtatious in their sexual appeal, but for me the action side was left as poor. I had four Mamba contacts which wanted to meet, but which I actually skipped. I will get better (best) service from my regular back at home at basicky the same price. I enjoyed the city very much, there is eye candy everywhere. If I weren't so shy towards approaching strangers in sexual context, I would have had better success ("8"'s) on the street than on a ton of hours spent on the internet. What I think of this now is that if one had a solid Tinder profile and a good rapport on communicating girls through chatting, it might be the best venue to find company. But this is just guessing. Knowing local girls and having them to refer other girls to you, as YummyPL has told to be having, seems like the best way.

[PhotoSlider]

Keep in mind that Ukrainian girls (same like girls from any other country) like to look sexy but do not like sex.

I must be living on a different planet. Especially as it relates to Ukrainian girls. How else would I explain the following episodes:

Taking Sasha, a tall 19 years old beauty, from behind, after we had some passionate fore play. And I see that she gets agitated, but I had a long day, and attempted to slow down. She turned back looking at me, and demanded that I go harder. And this is not a unique occurrence. I've heard this "Don't stop please!" a few times from different girls in Kiev. Never happened to me in Spain, or California, or Canada.

Or yet another beautiful 19 years old Mika, marketologist, University student, sweaty from missionary, happily smiling, and sincerely exclaiming after a long DFK: "Thank you!

Or another girl, surprisingly also 19 years old, must be the age, right! We had only 90 minutes until her train departure, and still away from my apartment. I asked if she wants to go to my place, and she confidently replied with proverbial: "I do!

Ukrainian girls do like sex. Perhaps not with 7-8 different tourists in the last 12 hours, but even those type of girls can be taken properly. I've seen both. Lazy whining bitches that I kicked out of the bed, and true gems having one orgasm after another.

I suspect everybody understands that generalization doesn't serve the justice. Always, everybody, all, - doesn't apply to such a diverse commodity market as Ukraine.

[Ydkjac]

Hi guys,

Initially I wanted this to be a basic trip report but since I have not been contributing to this forum for a couple of years I have ended up writing a several chapters essay (took me few weeks to complete) sharing my experience.

Wow what a comprehensive report thank you so much.

[SprKiev21]

Apartments. For many years there used to be around 30 apartments around city center (tochka) managed by 1 guy (Vasya) with a price range of 1500 – 4000 UAH. My 2 favorite places was 42 Vasilkovskaya and 13 Kreschatik. This business model had collapsed about a year ago, but not due to COVID. One of my friends told me that Vasya had to give up or sell this business to get local officials of his back so as of today there are only 10 locations and under "new management" the quality of girls went downhill dramatically. I've visited 5 places and none of the girls looked above 5. For many years some local Kiev girls come work in apartments to raise some cash overnight. Or girls from other cities for start-up in capital city and Now it looks like all apartments are stuffed with average looking "village" type of girls. I mean not ugly but also not fuckable to my standards. So, my Apartment Score = zero.

Tips for newbies:

Best time to visit apartments is between 8-11 pm. Exercise sort of "Casting" approach so this will save you time and cash in the future. Allocate 2-3 hours of your valuable time. Go to Arena and pick up a driver nearby (should be mid-aged English speaking so he has enough energy to take you around). Explain him an objective for your trip and will need to visit multiple places until you find what you need.

Visiting multiple apartments may cost you around 500 – 1000 UAH but believe me it's worth it as you'll be able to see the full pictures and help you to make educated decision.

If you prefer better looking girls than do not visit any places with price-tag lower than 2000 UAH this will save you some time and efforts. The driver will start making phone calls and will take you to various places. When inside of apartment you'll see a small selection of girls 3-5 (used to be 7-12 under Vasya management) . If you happened to like any of the girl (highly unlikely) than do not tell anybody that you want to stay with her or invite her to your place. Instead you should ask her name and get contact information either from driver or apartment manager (pimp). So basically, your objective is to visit as many apartments as possible and get as many contacts as you can. So, you can get back home and call back any girl you want to see. That's a bit time and energy consuming process (like shopping in multiple stores) but at the end you'll save tones of time and $$.

When a girl comes to visit you there is a good chance, she speaks very little or no English. I suggest make some fun out of it and use google translator so this will relax her a bit. Offer a drink but do not make your introductory for longer than 10 minutes. Another 5-10 minutes for shower so you have 40 minutes for sex. Keep in mind that Ukrainian girls (same like girls from any other country) like to look sexy but do not like sex. So be prepare for a different type of mood swinging like "don't touch here and there" . "I forgot condoms" . "this will cost you extra" etc. All services should be negotiated upfront and frankly you won't get much. Their standard settings for 2000-3000 UAH Massage, CBJ, and basic positions. If you get lucky, she might allow you to do COB but it's highly unlikely. Keep all valuables in the safe place to make sure you don't "loose" it afterwards. If you want to "memorize" your experience using hidden cameras than be very careful as many girls are very good in detecting these devices. So your "date" will be terminated on spot and you'll feel like a complete idiot. If for whatever reason your meeting did not go well and you need to get your anger out of you. Than please don't bother complaining back to pimps bc nobody will give the shit about you and your feelings. The best you can do is to write a negative review on *** or whatever.

Massage Places. - There are few erotic massage places I can recommend: adele.com.ua afrodita.net.ua caramel-massag.com.ua erotic-massage. Org erotic-massage-kiev.com erotic-time.com.ua fiesta-massage.com.ua honeysalon. Kiev. Ua moulin-rouge. Kiev. Ua relaxmassage. Kiev. Ua salondream. Kiev. Ua salonretro. Kiev. Ua topless-club. Kiev. Ua vipmassage. Kiev. Ua.

Most of these are not very expensive and might have some pretty girls depending on the time of the day and your luck. The advantage of these is that you don't really need a taxi driver to get to these places. Just contact by WhatsApp / Viber and they'll get you all the info you need. Don't pay attention for the pictures they send these are sort of "generic" profiles. They are pretty much opened for public 24/7. Also, the crew could be much prettier than the girls you find in apartments. Also, sometime I use this option as a "worm up" and it really puts me in the right mood prior to meeting with a girl for real sex.

The disadvantage of these places is that normally there is no Full Sex or BJ contact – It's more about relaxation and they might jerk you off at the end of the session. The other disadvantage is that these places are very popular among locals as well. So most likely you will not be able to find your "hidden treasure" on spot as any girl with looks above 6 are easily spotted by VIP clients and most-likely will not be available for your ad-hock visit. So in the best case scenario you'll have to make an appointment for later days to see this specific girl. So, even thought you've got what you need. You still ask yourself a simple question. "Why I've spent so much time money and energy traveling to Kiev? Just to get a basic erotic massage? Maybe I'd better of stay at home or go to Germany for FKK? Well it's common sense. But it's completely up to you.

[SprKiev21]

Thanks for the comprehensive updates SprKiev21 and vitrea.

It doesn't paint a great picture for a newbie. The prices quoted are higher than Western Europe so I think I will change my plans and look elsewhere as my trip is purely leisure not business.

I'm adding 1 chapter (forgot to include) - It's about apartments and massage places. Read it in.

[SprKiev21]

Thanks for the comprehensive updates SprKiev21 and vitrea.

It doesn't paint a great picture for a newbie. The prices quoted are higher than Western Europe so I think I will change my plans and look elsewhere as my trip is purely leisure not business.

Well, It all really depends on you expectations and if you're not too picky about girls looks than you might like what Kiev has to offer for $100 or even lower. Otherwise. Save your bucks.

[Jingo10]

Well. SprKiev21 just answered your question with a very comprehensive Kiev guide for 2021. You are going for a month so should have good success in one or more of the venues. Different things work for different people. As you can see from th text book that SprKiev wrote, there is plenty of action but how much you end up paying and the quality you get for it, is highly variable and a major factor being your ability to speak Russian. My Russian is zero.

Thanks for the comprehensive updates SprKiev21 and vitrea.

It doesn't paint a great picture for a newbie. The prices quoted are higher than Western Europe so I think I will change my plans and look elsewhere as my trip is purely leisure not business.

[Vitrea]

Well. SprKiev21 just answered your question with a very comprehensive Kiev guide for 2021. You are going for a month so should have good success in one or more of the venues. Different things work for different people. As you can see from th text book that SprKiev wrote, there is plenty of action but how much you end up paying and the quality you get for it, is highly variable and a major factor being your ability to speak Russian. My Russian is zero.

Hi vitrea, is there enough happening for a newbie in Kiev, I'm planning on a month but may travel around. I'm used to apartment set ups but prefer Indies. Final resort would be massage places. I'm not too fussed about overnights or nightclubs. TIA.

[SprKiev21]

Hi guys,

Initially I wanted this to be a basic trip report but since I have not been contributing to this forum for a couple of years I have ended up writing a several chapters essay (took me few weeks to complete) sharing my experience. Well, I've just completed my first post-COVID business trip to Kiev since February 2020 and before that I used to visit Kiev for work 3, 4 times annually since 2012. I'm in IT business and we have affiliated offshore partners all over Ukraine, Russia and Poland so I have to travel frequently to drop off new projects and pickup completed once. This time I've spent in Kiev about a month and there was very slow on business side so being away from my lovely family I've dedicated more time to my personal needs.

Being visiting Ukraine for so many years I have accumulated 100+ contacts for the local talents into my Red-Book. Obviously many of them have moved away to other countries or got married, but I still have managed to catch up with 9 girls I have met in the past. All good-looking ranging from 7 to 9. But all of them come with a solid price-tag $200-$500. I have also met 5 new ladies. And that's a bit disappointing since the number of local talents shrank down dramatically over the years.

So, anyways. The important part I'd like you to comprehend is that there are 2 channels for getting girls in Kiev. The first is an Open or Public channel specifically dedicated for sex tourists and that's basically 90% of this forum discussions including. Strip clubs, apartments, mamba, tinder, GIA, and whatever else is out there.

The second channel is a sort of very private channel and it's only accessible for locals who have good $$$ and good connections. So, most of the girls I meet I get from 2 local pimps who has affiliation with modeling agencies, private college students etc and they always have a good pull of new talents. But like I said earlier the price-tag does not come cheap. Most of the girls cherish their privacy (Kiev is a big village) and prefer long-term engagement at full discretion. The other part of this is that I speak fluent Russian (actually native) and have lots of good friends and girlfriends in Kiev who are close to adult entertainment industry in Ukraine so I have some luxury for getting the right hints (they call it "tema" in Russian) and attend the right parties.

So anyways – I hope I have described this clearly for the guys who have an imagination for coming to Kiev for a couple of days and fucking model-type girl for $100 (all services included). Well it used to be like that back in 90's. But today. 150% it's not going to happen.

Now, let's talk about Open Mongering Chanel and what options you guys have coming to Kiev and following basic tourists steps. Well – Unfortunately not much. I mean you might get lucky but most of you will end-up with disappointment. I've done some actions on this side and only succeeded 3 times (speaking fluent Russian and having bunch of local friends around). I'll try to make my story as informative as possible so you guys can learn from it. So please refer to my next postings for details: