Ethiopia

[Neddy69]

Thanks again, now that I think about it, the Dula is a useful deterrent mainly for punters who are comfortable with that. It will work to some degree vs the thieves who prefer a very easy target.

For me violence is never an option if I am in Ethiopia or elsewhere. The attacks are not fatal, until they become fatal & that is fine with me. It all depends on the personality of people.

Someone might read these posts & get a small knife, then end up stabbing attackers, who can easily die due to poor medical care. Then Punter went from having fun, to a Killer in a split second! That is why its good to emphasize the strictness of laws in Ethiopia. Unlike many countries the law in Ethiopia doesn't accept self-defense as an adequate reason for anything, let alone lethal force.

If attacked in Addis the punter simply has to forgive, if the punter decides to break the law then its war. In Addis the odds 99.99% will favor the police vs the punter, the federal police numeric superiority will quickly end the life of anybody who refuses to surrender, if the punter some-how makes it out of Addis then he will live the rest of your life as a hunted outlaw in dirt-poor conditions.

Forgiving might be unacceptable to most people, but its the nature of the place. The system in Ethiopia is designed to repel egotistic or vindictive people, its very passive but it works.

Since we are guests, when in Ethiopia do as the Ethiopians.

Exactly. An Ethiopian would give him a good one over the head with his dula. Not even in Ethiopia can somebody strip away your right to self defense when attacked. Give me a break. Federal police. They have AKs... The better argument... On full auto... Talking of crowd control Ethiopian style. A dushka set on a truck firing away on the crowd......
LOL. Knives have never been an option. Even the raw US Navy Seal learns never to resist in a common mugging. Why would he risk to get injured for a couple of bucks. All crooks prefer an easy target. Either dumb tourist with a fat Nikon strapped around his neck or dumb women with bling bling. The other case is totally drunk. Easy target asking for trouble. Stay sober and scan constantly your surroundings.

Neddy.

Who prefers Soda at night and fast sole sneakers.

[Neddy69]

The nations connected to the ancient power-center of the coasts (Swahili), they have a whole different history & are an excellent location for thrill seekers.

A dominant Bantu element, with Nilotic periodic bursts all over the top of the displaced & now subtle Afroasiatic substrates. The newcomers dominance favors an explosive male, even women love that there, almost more than money. The result is the more outgoing nature & default freedom in those places, you can do as you like in those places. Freedom includes the freedom to get away with self defense opposed to the tightly controlled Ethiopia.

The coastal authority was very fond of the Bantu (Zanzj) tribes beauty & physique, which directly & indirectly brought West Africa to the Indian ocean! Unlike the folks that governed Ethiopia in a conservative near-eastern manner, these merchants were strictly doing business, which started as iron age tools handed to the Bantu in return for goods, they maintained soft control over the tribes, just enough to secure the trade & enable the Bantu tribes to remain dominant & keep the supply line open between the heartland of Africa & the Indian ocean. This greatly disfavored the afroasiatic people & reduced the potential of Nilotic prominence. So those nations became closer to Bantu Africa more than South Sudan or Ethiopia.

Wow. You sound like an anthropologist by trade. LOL. I know the habeshas look down at the black African people. Slaves. LOL.

Neddy.

Thrill seekers. Well. Of course. Nothing beats jogging through river road at night. Hahahah.

[JoseNosay]

You are absolutely right. I am not crazy. Avoid and deter. But your report is a great help. In Kenya the gangs are armed with knives, machetes and handguns. If you resist you're dead meat. I know the dead man game from other countries. Ages ago they dropped a dead grand daddy in front of a car of my mate in eastern turkey. Then the relatives were claiming he ran him over. They see ferengi and want to collect. One way or the other.

Neddy.

Who's been walking in River road and Analakely after night fall and survived. LOL.

The nations connected to the ancient power-center of the coasts (Swahili), they have a whole different history & are an excellent location for thrill seekers.

A dominant Bantu element, with Nilotic periodic bursts all over the top of the displaced & now subtle Afroasiatic substrates. The newcomers dominance favors an explosive male, even women love that there, almost more than money. The result is the more outgoing nature & default freedom in those places, you can do as you like in those places. Freedom includes the freedom to get away with self defense opposed to the tightly controlled Ethiopia.

The coastal authority was very fond of the Bantu (Zanzj) tribes beauty & physique, which directly & indirectly brought West Africa to the Indian ocean! Unlike the folks that governed Ethiopia in a conservative near-eastern manner, these merchants were strictly doing business, which started as iron age tools handed to the Bantu in return for goods, they maintained soft control over the tribes, just enough to secure the trade & enable the Bantu tribes to remain dominant & keep the supply line open between the heartland of Africa & the Indian ocean. This greatly disfavored the afroasiatic people & reduced the potential of Nilotic prominence. So those nations became closer to Bantu Africa more than South Sudan or Ethiopia.

[JoseNosay]

http://ethiopedia.********.com/2008/...lture.html?m=1

Above correct link. Bug or feature?? can't save it. replace the stars with "blogspo...t" Apparently a dirty word....

Below an excerpt of this excellent article....

Thus, the stick may have come first many millennia ago in Ethiopia. The stick commonly called dula in Ethiopia may have been the first tool after all. Even today, the dula is still widely used to ward off wild animals and ensure that humans can travel from point A to point B without being eaten alive by the clawed and fanged beasts of the fields, forests, and savannas. The dula is also used as a deterrent against strangers, highway robbers and enemies.

Lastly. To quote. Theodore Roosevelt: Speak softly and carry a big stick...

Thanks again, now that I think about it, the Dula is a useful deterrent mainly for punters who are comfortable with that. It will work to some degree vs the thieves who prefer a very easy target.

For me violence is never an option if I am in Ethiopia or elsewhere. The attacks are not fatal, until they become fatal & that is fine with me. It all depends on the personality of people.

Someone might read these posts & get a small knife, then end up stabbing attackers, who can easily die due to poor medical care. Then Punter went from having fun, to a Killer in a split second! That is why its good to emphasize the strictness of laws in Ethiopia. Unlike many countries the law in Ethiopia doesn't accept self-defense as an adequate reason for anything, let alone lethal force.

If attacked in Addis the punter simply has to forgive, if the punter decides to break the law then its war. In Addis the odds 99.99% will favor the police vs the punter, the federal police numeric superiority will quickly end the life of anybody who refuses to surrender, if the punter some-how makes it out of Addis then he will live the rest of your life as a hunted outlaw in dirt-poor conditions.

Forgiving might be unacceptable to most people, but its the nature of the place. The system in Ethiopia is designed to repel egotistic or vindictive people, its very passive but it works.

Since we are guests, when in Ethiopia do as the Ethiopians.

[Neddy69]

In Ethiopia getting in fights is really a big problem, even something as an unintended tap by your car gets people directly to jail, most of those claims are exaggerated as the victims will fall / scream the victimized. Wayneee. Wayneee. To make the case & demand money. If its injuries due to a fight, the problem is even bigger & attackers are in jail until they pay for the exaggerated "damage". The best option is to deter attacks at an early stage or avoid if possible.

The police & their bandits are already getting punished by default, living in eternal poverty. However, I can see things turning deadly if they attack the wrong vindictive person. Talking about Abiy Ahmed I am pretty sure he wishes he was still mongering as an unknown officer instead of dealing with the endless problems of Ethiopia. Now he is stuck with the Chinese Debt collecting lady making him to sign more papers & angry Greta Thunberg asking him to ground the Ethiopian Airlines.

You are absolutely right. I am not crazy. Avoid and deter. But your report is a great help. In Kenya the gangs are armed with knives, machetes and handguns. If you resist you're dead meat. I know the dead man game from other countries. Ages ago they dropped a dead grand daddy in front of a car of my mate in eastern turkey. Then the relatives were claiming he ran him over. They see ferengi and want to collect. One way or the other.

Neddy.

Who's been walking in River road and Analakely after night fall and survived. LOL.

[Member #4673]

Ethiopian Air gives the hotel, meals, et. Al. Only for connections of 12 hours or longer. Look at their schedule and you quickly notice itineraries such as Luanda to Tana, for example where the connection time is 11 hours and 55 minutes. But if you 'get lucky' and catch a 20-some

Wrong. Its from 8 to 24 hours https://www.ethiopianairlines.com/aa...baba-stopovers.

And I didn't get lucky I did it 5 times already. When you master the way Ethiopian Air works you will understand how to trick them and drop free for 22 hours sleep 4 star hotel, eat and pay only for sex.

[Neddy69]

http://ethiopedia.********.com/2008/...lture.html?m=1

Above correct link. Bug or feature?? can't save it. replace the stars with "blogspo...t" Apparently a dirty word....

Below an excerpt of this excellent article....

Thus, the stick may have come first many millennia ago in Ethiopia. The stick commonly called dula in Ethiopia may have been the first tool after all. Even today, the dula is still widely used to ward off wild animals and ensure that humans can travel from point A to point B without being eaten alive by the clawed and fanged beasts of the fields, forests, and savannas. The dula is also used as a deterrent against strangers, highway robbers and enemies.

Lastly. To quote. Theodore Roosevelt: Speak softly and carry a big stick...

[JoseNosay]

http://web.archive.org/web/20020814022603/http://u2.lvcm.com:80/carlos3rd/Ethiopia.html.

Thanks for the Nice find, especially those photos! Two of the ladies look so familiar.

The Dula, will not work if you are not vindictive enough. In my situation all energy is strictly focused on mating with the prettiest girls. A routine that sends me all over, little to no energy is directed elsewhere. Wasting energy on anything else. Simply doesn't help score more quality girls.

The solution to end the bandit-police attacks is not violence, hell if I am forced to govern Ethiopia. I will plot a coup against myself to avoid becoming a violent Tyrant, once violence starts. Its hard to go back.

[JoseNosay]

Thanks. Its always good to know how these guys are operating. A german guy was cleaned out by these choke hold teams. 2 hold him up and 2 empty his pockets. All they can get off me at night is 15 $ in local currency and my 7 $ smartphone. Ah not to forget my 10 $ original Duracell headlight. As long as they don't carry knives they'll get a hiding. A don't give a rats ass about the so called federal crooks. If need be I call Abiy Ahmed. Hahaha.

Neddy.

In Ethiopia getting in fights is really a big problem, even something as an unintended tap by your car gets people directly to jail, most of those claims are exaggerated as the victims will fall / scream the victimized. Wayneee. Wayneee. To make the case & demand money. If its injuries due to a fight, the problem is even bigger & attackers are in jail until they pay for the exaggerated "damage". The best option is to deter attacks at an early stage or avoid if possible.

The police & their bandits are already getting punished by default, living in eternal poverty. However, I can see things turning deadly if they attack the wrong vindictive person. Talking about Abiy Ahmed I am pretty sure he wishes he was still mongering as an unknown officer instead of dealing with the endless problems of Ethiopia. Now he is stuck with the Chinese Debt collecting lady making him to sign more papers & angry Greta Thunberg asking him to ground the Ethiopian Airlines.

[Golfinho]

I have been a few times in Ethiopia and that country is best to avoid. Not only shit girls, but also shit food and dangerous pick pockets. Best option for beginners to try it is to fly Ethiopian to other country and book long connection. You you will get free transport, hotel plus 3 meals.

Ethiopian Air gives the hotel, meals, et. Al. Only for connections of 12 hours or longer. Look at their schedule and you quickly notice itineraries such as Luanda to Tana, for example where the connection time is 11 hours and 55 minutes. But if you 'get lucky' and catch a 20-some hour layover, this is worst option for a 'beginner': such a limited time window would only encourage taking short cuts which would to potential of risks. I've been only once to Ethiopia (Addis and Dire Dawa), but many times in the Bole Star Alliance Gold lounge for hours and hours where the improvement of food and machine has been notable.

[Neddy69]

Stealth attacks are too quick & the attackers are working comfortably under the protection of the federal police, if you harm an attacker you will get in big legal trouble, if you harm one guy there is no looking back, you might as well fight your way out until you get killed or reach the borders. As you are already screwed, I came to Ethiopia for leisure so I do whatever it takes to avoid losing access to the women. Getting into avoidable conflicts is a waste of energy & doesn't satisfy my specific needs in anyway. The choke-hold teams are detectable, as they hang out by walls in low lighting bird eye spots, they work directly with a designated walking patrol police officer who does the collecting. This was in Addis as far as Addis goes, but usually in seedy spots, now its all over Addis as the privileged areas lost their special status due to ongoing political problems in the past months.

The worse attack so far was the metal pipe attack by a vendor, first time I didn't know what happened. Empty pockets and it took me a while to feel a lump on the side of my head, passers by said I was hit in the side of my head by someone who emptied my pockets and ran away, I knew a lady I liked in that area so I revisited the area and was a bit more alert, got approached from the side quickly by a vendor that I saw a 100 meters way a few minutes ago (until now I didn't know it was the vendor who attacked me! So I was caught again by surprise. By the time I noticed him he was literally ready to swing for another home run! Was able to avoid first swing, next he got me with a swing on my leg, the vendor immediately ran away. Later in the night I confronted his fellow vendor, he said that guy was not a real vendor & all other vendors keep those metal bars for security (taking his word depends how agreeable you are).

I have very low vindictive tendencies, so I simply consider these attacks part of the issues you will face when you want to follow every woman you like regardless where she decides to go.

Honey & Bee Stings.

Thanks. Its always good to know how these guys are operating. A german guy was cleaned out by these choke hold teams. 2 hold him up and 2 empty his pockets. All they can get off me at night is 15 $ in local currency and my 7 $ smartphone. Ah not to forget my 10 $ original Duracell headlight. As long as they don't carry knives they'll get a hiding. A don't give a rats ass about the so called federal crooks. If need be I call Abiy Ahmed. Hahaha.
But as long as you carry a walking stick that adds as a great deterrent. An Ethiopian tribe is well known for stick fights Since age old times people carried sticks to keep highwayman, rangy dogs and all other bad shit at bay.

Neddy.

http://ethiopedia.********.com/2008/09/dula-ethiopian-stick-culture.html?m=1

Read that age old report of carlos3000:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020814022603/http://u2.lvcm.com:80/carlos3rd/Ethiopia.html

He bought a Dula in Merkato. After that. Nobody looked at him ever since....

[JoseNosay]

At least somebody speakes out about crime. My mate an old time Addis fan told me also its on the increase. Gangs of 4 lift you up and clean out your pockets. I found an old report. Buy yourself a dula or walking stick with a heavy knob and give these guys a good hiding.

Neddy.

Stealth attacks are too quick & the attackers are working comfortably under the protection of the federal police, if you harm an attacker you will get in big legal trouble, if you harm one guy there is no looking back, you might as well fight your way out until you get killed or reach the borders. As you are already screwed, I came to Ethiopia for leisure so I do whatever it takes to avoid losing access to the women. Getting into avoidable conflicts is a waste of energy & doesn't satisfy my specific needs in anyway. The choke-hold teams are detectable, as they hang out by walls in low lighting bird eye spots, they work directly with a designated walking patrol police officer who does the collecting. This was in Addis as far as Addis goes, but usually in seedy spots, now its all over Addis as the privileged areas lost their special status due to ongoing political problems in the past months.

The worse attack so far was the metal pipe attack by a vendor, first time I didn't know what happened. Empty pockets and it took me a while to feel a lump on the side of my head, passers by said I was hit in the side of my head by someone who emptied my pockets and ran away, I knew a lady I liked in that area so I revisited the area and was a bit more alert, got approached from the side quickly by a vendor that I saw a 100 meters way a few minutes ago (until now I didn't know it was the vendor who attacked me! So I was caught again by surprise. By the time I noticed him he was literally ready to swing for another home run! Was able to avoid first swing, next he got me with a swing on my leg, the vendor immediately ran away. Later in the night I confronted his fellow vendor, he said that guy was not a real vendor & all other vendors keep those metal bars for security (taking his word depends how agreeable you are).

I have very low vindictive tendencies, so I simply consider these attacks part of the issues you will face when you want to follow every woman you like regardless where she decides to go.

Honey & Bee Stings.

[Member #4673]

Buy yourself a dula or walking stick with a heavy knob and give these guys a good hiding.

Neddy.

I was attacked at the same way that already happened to me in Tana (Mada). I was walking daytime at in the most central location in Addiss near Edna mall than I saw two teens one small of my left and a bigger kid (17?) at my right closing distance fast while the kid responsible for destructing my attention.

I turned to the bigger as soon as distance was near zero clinch him and kick him in the ribs as hard as I can. He drops on the sidewalk and I was keep moving. It was some kind of a physical body pocket to find where are my valuables under my heavy coat. Not sure about the English definition of pickpocket versus this kind of physical contact.

While back to my hotel I started to feel pain in my leg from the brutal kick but at least message was sent. Since in Tana happened to me twice near Glacier in Sunday when few people was there I knew the trick and attack first.

And I am taking daytime here so imagine what will happen in addis at night. Although this 22 hour connection was fully cover by the airline I am not sure if I want to do this kind of long stopover again.

La buse.

Who's on his way to Mada.

[Neddy69]

To each his own, over the years I literally had 100's of altercations to fend off thieves (I walk on a nightly basis), from those incidents only few I will consider dangerous, mostly metal bars hidden inside the push-cart by the stealthy vendors turned bandits I got knocked out clean with one, got hurt in my leg by another. Next comes the choke-hold teams are always waiting for guys heading to bars or leaving ATMs those are directly sanctioned by the Federal police as they only attack when they are certain you have money, its less dangerous but it still not safe & obviously a financial disaster if its money you need. All these attacks can happen in front of many people most attack victims are Ethiopians. Yet no one intervenes, In Ethiopia the average man is simply timid by default. So if under attack you are always on your own, The Italians killed the boldest 30,000 Ethiopian males once they entered Addis Ababa, this left you with a passive male line.

Dangerous crime increased, because the Federal Police is getting beefed up with new folks & are increasingly given the upper hand in running the country (cold civil war). The areas that were once safe zones are now burglarized in a regular manner by the Ethiopian Federal Police managed street affiliates, they technically have no option, as those guys are chronically unemployed in the big land-locked country. Not exactly safe, but the alternative is losing control & a few thugs with guns will ruin the city. So in a way the federal Police employs all the thieves & anybody willing to attack people, controls them every minute of the day & make a black budget of them without having gun crimes.

The bright side is because of these problems, you can contribute to help the pretty ladies that are besieged by poverty, instability & threat of getting robbed every time she goes anywhere.

At least somebody speakes out about crime. My mate an old time Addis fan told me also its on the increase. Gangs of 4 lift you up and clean out your pockets. I found an old report. Buy yourself a dula or walking stick with a heavy knob and give these guys a good hiding.

Neddy.

[JoseNosay]

I have been a few times in Ethiopia and that country is best to avoid. Not only shit girls, but also shit food and dangerous pick pockets..

To each his own, over the years I literally had 100's of altercations to fend off thieves (I walk on a nightly basis), from those incidents only few I will consider dangerous, mostly metal bars hidden inside the push-cart by the stealthy vendors turned bandits I got knocked out clean with one, got hurt in my leg by another. Next comes the choke-hold teams are always waiting for guys heading to bars or leaving ATMs those are directly sanctioned by the Federal police as they only attack when they are certain you have money, its less dangerous but it still not safe & obviously a financial disaster if its money you need. All these attacks can happen in front of many people most attack victims are Ethiopians. Yet no one intervenes, In Ethiopia the average man is simply timid by default. So if under attack you are always on your own, The Italians killed the boldest 30,000 Ethiopian males once they entered Addis Ababa, this left you with a passive male line.

Dangerous crime increased, because the Federal Police is getting beefed up with new folks & are increasingly given the upper hand in running the country (cold civil war). The areas that were once safe zones are now burglarized in a regular manner by the Ethiopian Federal Police managed street affiliates, they technically have no option, as those guys are chronically unemployed in the big land-locked country. Not exactly safe, but the alternative is losing control & a few thugs with guns will ruin the city. So in a way the federal Police employs all the thieves & anybody willing to attack people, controls them every minute of the day & make a black budget of them without having gun crimes.

The bright side is because of these problems, you can contribute to help the pretty ladies that are besieged by poverty, instability & threat of getting robbed every time she goes anywhere.