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[Ginger 3443]

Hi,Are you referring kiraracafe in Ikebukuro? Are these cafes gaijin friendly?recently these Chinese places are also saying No some times. I think cafes are interesting to try. thanks

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you-- as you might imagine, I can't access this site at work, and it's hard for me to access it many other places. I have been to several deai cafes since my first post, and they all operate basically the same way-- you pay about Y1000 for a "joining fee", and then about Y5000 for an "entrance fee", to get into the cafe itself. Then you are seated in a "men's area", separate from where the women are, and you get to view several waiting women-- usually through a one-way mirror, sometimes there is just glass or even open space. The girls run the gamut-- a lot of them look to be ordinary girls, who just had nothing to do and are in need of some money, others look to be hardened pros (who show up day in and day out). They are all there to hook, however. You get to take any girl you select into a "talk room", where you get to talk to her for about 10 minutes. It rarely takes the full 10 minutes, because you just name a price and the girl is good to go. I named a price, Y20,000, and none of the girls refused it, so that may be a little bit high. You could probably get away with offering a little less. The girls' service varies as well, depending on their experience and enthusiasm. Sometimes they are enthusiastic amateurs, sometimes bored professionals-- you have to check out which is which during the talk time. You can "talk" to as many girls as you wish, one by one. I get the feeling that the staff starts pressuring you to choose one girl after a few tries, because all the girls will say yes to money, so you should pretty much know which one you want and ask to talk to her. The girl I chose had a favorite love hotel, so I guess she knew the ropes. Most of the girls have their favorite love hotel, and know the ropes. But as you mentioned, this is a great way to meet "semi-pro" and even "amateur" girls, and get to know them a little before agreeing to pay for them. hope that helps.

[Nabbeun]

Now the girls that are coming over here from Korea today:1 - They know exactly what they are coming to do.2 - They keep their passports and have to return to Korea in 3 months.3 - They are earning a pretty healthy sum of money while they are here that they take back home.4 - Many of the girls find the whole thing lucrative enough that they choose to return several more times.

I've been very involved with some of these girls.Yes many know what they are getting into.BUT. There are many who don't know what they are lined up for. At least the first time around. Many are told they will work in no touch/no sex room salons, but when they don't sell enough bottles. They must repay their debt, one way or another. Debt bondage involves little choice, esp given how debt is treated in korea. Until they repay their debt. They don't get to keep their passports nor choose what they will and won't do. It all depends who their debt was sold to. And some bosses structure it so debt only goes up, not down.That many return to this work after their debt has been repaid. Well. Why not the money is good and the milk has been spilled more than 1000x over.

[Nampa Guy]

What is up with people on this forum calling other people idiots and stupid because they post their opinion or try to help someone by alerting them to a bad situation. I have to think that the majority want to read this site for information and entertainment not flaming.

[Ultra Gaijin]

Here is another Chinese esute FS option, for those of us who still miss Paprika. It is basically very similar to Tokyo SPM, on which I reported earlier-- same shabby apartments, pick a Chinese girl from photos, take a shower, FS, perfunctory massage.I wasn't sure I would get into this place. Here are the directions: Go to Takadanobaba station on the JR line. Go out the Waseda exit. I believe the main street passing in front of you is Waseda-dori. Take a left, and walk straight along the main street, for four traffic lights. On your left, there should be a "104" pachinko parlor. Cross the street at the light, and there should be a Morioka reimen shop there. To the right of the Morioka reimen shop, there should be an ABC Ramen store. Between the Morioka reimen shop and the ABC Ramen store, there is an entranceway, with a blue sign for "Club Yuri" above it. Go in the entranceway, and up the stairs. There is a locked door to the right, on the second floor. Knock on the door-- a papa-san will let you in.It is apparently gaijin-okay as long as you are polite and can understand basic Japanese-- the papa-san recommends calling 30 minutes in advance, but I didn't. The papa-san will give you a slip of paper with the name of the girl and a room number, and he will direct you to a building across the street-- "Toyo Building", next to the 104 Pachinko parlor. You go into the building, up the elevator to the room number, and the girl will be waiting.An interesting point-- they have apparently upped their security at these establishments, because now the place where they take your money is physically separate from the rooms where you meet the girls. This place is quite close to Tokyo SPM, and I think it is run by the same company or something.The service was quite good, although of course YMMV. I had Rika, she wasn't much to look at, but very enthusiastic and kind, and I had a great time. One improvement from Paprika, the room was a bit more private (it's a private apartment, apparently), and it was air-conditioned.There you go, hope this helps some of my brothers out.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

[Shirokyu]

I'm not sure brave is the right word. Really stupid might be a better choice.

I do not agree. From our perspective what you did is good -- explore and report. Maybe just maybe this good have been the best sex deal in town and an honest deal - thanks to you we know it is not - Thank You for sharing and as you say "Taking one for the team." I do not think we want to create a climate were people do not report their bad experiences -- this is useful to all of us.

[Ultra Gaijin]

Hey Ultra Gaijin, thanks for this post. There have been 2 or 3 other posts on this club (also spelled Kilala), but this is the first one that lays out the logistics, various pricing, etc. Do you mind saying what your good reasons are for believing that all deai cafes operate in the same way? The reason I ask is that the most important thing when I p4p is that the girl be really HOT and secondarily that I can get some sense of her personality before I decide on her. (That's why lately I've been almost exclusively using Tobita, Kawazaki, type places. I can walk around a lot, decide who are the really hot girls, flirt with them, gets some sense of how playful they will be, etc. Of course, some of them are good actors, but I make them put a bit of effort into getting me to come into their shop and it usually translates into a fun time for all.) These deai places seem like they provide a good way to see if the girls are hot, and then you can chat for a bit to see if you click. Any idea how many times you can send the girls back? etc. Also, how did you and the girl decide on the price? Was 25,000 her starting quote? etc.

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you-- as you might imagine, I can't access this site at work, and it's hard for me to access it many other places. I have been to several deai cafes since my first post, and they all operate basically the same way-- you pay about Y1000 for a "joining fee", and then about Y5000 for an "entrance fee", to get into the cafe itself. Then you are seated in a "men's area", separate from where the women are, and you get to view several waiting women-- usually through a one-way mirror, sometimes there is just glass or even open space. The girls run the gamut-- a lot of them look to be ordinary girls, who just had nothing to do and are in need of some money, others look to be hardened pros (who show up day in and day out). They are all there to hook, however. You get to take any girl you select into a "talk room", where you get to talk to her for about 10 minutes. It rarely takes the full 10 minutes, because you just name a price and the girl is good to go. I named a price, Y20,000, and none of the girls refused it, so that may be a little bit high. You could probably get away with offering a little less. The girls' service varies as well, depending on their experience and enthusiasm. Sometimes they are enthusiastic amateurs, sometimes bored professionals-- you have to check out which is which during the talk time. You can "talk" to as many girls as you wish, one by one. I get the feeling that the staff starts pressuring you to choose one girl after a few tries, because all the girls will say yes to money, so you should pretty much know which one you want and ask to talk to her. The girl I chose had a favorite love hotel, so I guess she knew the ropes. Most of the girls have their favorite love hotel, and know the ropes. But as you mentioned, this is a great way to meet "semi-pro" and even "amateur" girls, and get to know them a little before agreeing to pay for them. hope that helps.

[Ultra Gaijin]

Here are some options for international people staying near Narita Airport.http://yume-rikyu.com/index_pc.phphttp://www.sakuranbo-n.com/http://www.n-poison.com/http://www.n-madonna.com/http://narida-golden.com/These are all pretty shabby little apartment esutes, with what seems to be illegal immigrant Chinese girls, but they are all gaijin-friendly, and the price is right. Just look at the websites for the maps, or call the telephone numbers and get directions (you will have to speak some Japanese). Walk in, pick a girl from the photo, and off you go.

[Techrepjapan]

Took one for the team today. tried this Craigs list ad.

You are a brave man! From the photo and description. She looks like a pig and about the same size. She's been posting the same ad about every three days for the last few weeks.

[Chicken Nampa]

Can we get back to using this forum for the intended purpose rather than flaming each other over the delicate historical sensibilities of *****mongers?

[Xslikx]

Actually I've interviewed returned Japanese soldiers from China and Burma.

And those returned Japanese soldiers from China and Burma told you that back in the day the Korean comfort women were coming over to Japan on short term student or holiday visas, working for 3 or so months and then going back to Korea when they were done. And sometimes coming back for another round? And you believed them? You are an [Deleted by Admin] . I'm sure there were some sex workers coming of their own free will from various other Asian countries at the time, but these are not what people mean when they use the expression 'comfort women.'EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited in accordance with the Forum's Zero Tolerance policy regarding reports containing any personal attacks or derogatory comments directed towards another Forum Member or the Forum Membership in general.

[Japanguy]

WTF are you talking about!?!?!?! How can you compare the two situations? You are a f*cking idiot!

Actually I've interviewed returned Japanese soldiers from China and Burma. Have you?

[Shatneresque]

Took one for the team today. tried this Craigs list ad.http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/ers/1324240964.htmlShe advertised 3 hours for 25000 yen. She did deliver the goods for round one (BBBJ). However, while starting to get ready for round 2, about 45 minutes into the session, she suddenly said she had to leave, got dressed and was gone within 1 minute.

[Little Jared]

Was about to answer something quite similar. Just that I was looking for a more diplomatic way, but after all I couldn't agree more with Matsu.

[Matsu69]

exactly the same thing was happening 50 years ago, korea supplying comfort women to japan.

wtf are you talking about!?!?!?! how can you compare the two situations? you are a f*cking idiot!1 - 50 years ago, japan was rebuilding from wwii. comfort women were recruited to serve the military during wwii more like 65-70 years ago.besides that:2 - comfort women were kidnapped, forcibly recruited, or duped into their service.3 - once they were in the brothels they were either raped or killed if they refused to service the men. most likely both were going to happen even if they complied.4 - estimates of survival rate of the comfort women are around 25% during their service.now the girls that are coming over here from korea today:1 - they know exactly what they are coming to do.2 - they keep their passports and have to return to korea in 3 months.3 - they are earning a pretty healthy sum of money while they are here that they take back home.4 - many of the girls find the whole thing lucrative enough that they choose to return several more times.if i'm over-reacting to an off-the-cuff remark, that is just too bad! you are comparing systematic sexual slavery and a violation of human rights to a voluntary business undertaking.either your remark was a joke - in which case it was in poor taste and an utter waste of bandwidth; or you truly believe this is an accurate comparison. in which case i have to wonder about your sanity. either way, i find your post offensive and idiotic! keep it to yourself next time!!

[tjoe2002]

Due to the mystifying drop in quality from other services I have been giving ND a try. Here are my experiences...Junko: tall with a pretty face and knockout body. yes, they are fake but look and feel great. she came wearing a classy bra and thong underneath which is always appreciated. overall she was very friendly and it was a fun session. would repeat. Shizuka: sweet girl, but it`s really not my job to train them. gomennasai!Tsubaki: now this girl was a surprise. she`s not the best looking but has a super attitude. arriving stylishly dressed, she provides a passionate and naughty GFE, curling up afterward like a kitten. worth a full 2 hrs and definite repeat.Sakura: young, sharp and cute with a perky body. she was very responsive and had solid technique but felt her manner was just a bit too business-like. OK if you`re not looking for GFE.