Bangkok Reports

[EihTooms]

Transparency. I'm not a Beer Garden type enthusiast.

I've been perusing them as an observer for 15 or so years I've never been Impressed.

P.S. Please refrain from saying your chosen Girl has a 3/10 face.

Exaggerate and say she was Cute and Cuddly or something without referring to lack of looks.

Could also be I'm in minority who thinks looks matters.

Just doesn't make me want to read on.

Regarding transparency and using words like cute and cuddly, I would add the words "stunner" "looker" and "hot" to the list of meaningless praises. Throw in "GFE" as well since we have no idea how much of a sex-denying joyless harpy the poster's last 3 girlfriends were. LOL.

But we all use those words at one time or another, "GFE" even seen listed on escort profiles as though it's an objective, tangible thing a customer ought to be excited about getting.

For me, the most imprecise and potentially deceptive words on these forums is "had sex with" which could mean anything in the poster's experience with the lady from finishing with BBFS+CIP (Real Sex, IMHO) to fully covered everything (not Real Sex, IMHO) to him finishing by pulling out to cum on her stomach to him finishing by masturbating onto the lady's face or boobs.

I think looks matter to everyone. The compromise comes when "stunners" do not provide Real Sex when so much covered everything is eagerly agreed to and accepted at or near their quote by other customers.

It's what constitutes "having sex" that is all over the map.

For me, a poster's description of the looks of girls in a line up or in a collection of bars is among the least important bits of information to read. I have eyes. I will see for myself if there is anyone worth spending a relative pittance to have Real Sex with or not, maybe someone he missed, maybe someone who wasn't there before, and the seeing won't cost me a baht or more than a few minutes of my evening.

But if I have Paid Upfront or invested a couple of hours of my time and in the end gotten the kind of utterly lacking in eroticism mechanical condom required whatever that was that I have gotten the few times I wasted my money and time in places like Tulip or other Happy Ending shops in the past or it turns out the poster who reported ""having sex" with this or that stunner meant he jerked off onto her face with no BBFS+CIP possible at any price, then that would be annoying.

[Dave The Expl]

The moral to the story, if you don't like someones business / prices, simply go somewhere else.

Hey,

Now that's capitalism and so yesterday, I'm right and they owe me because I breath and can afford a plane ticket damn it LOL.

[Member #4753]

Harry walks into a bar and asks the owner how much is a bottle of your beer. The owner answers 200 baht. Harry says I know a bar across town that sells better beerr than that for 100 baht and proceeds to show pictures of the other bar not just to the owner but to everybody else in the bar. The tombstone up on Busybodies Hill reads Here Lies Harry Who Walked Into The Wrong Bar and Couldn't Keep His Mouth Shut.

The moral to the story, if you don't like someones business / prices, simply go somewhere else.

[GrapeMan]

Yes, online is a completely different experience from the bars. Honestly, I went off bar girls in 2007 when I discovered Tulip. And then of course there was the wonderful day's when Mango, Snow White, and Cherry were all in full swing. When my friends and I get together it's not a beer bar or gogo. It's for dinner or drinks at a local place. But again, we're all long time residents so our wants and needs are different.

Too many people I think don't realize you could just hit these few places and be perfectly happy with everything and never really have a bad time. I guess people are always searching for talent or the new hot thing but the classics are that for a reason, and performance at these places is second to none, performance at many others is a crapshoot. Tulip we know, but Mango / Cherry / Snow White always had at least a few lookers and most would perform pretty top notch. I'd toss in a level down would be Addict and Bamboo, more just if you happened to fancy a particular girl there, if not, stay at the P.S. Experience.

The whole online thing seems a bit of overkill many times, nothing wrong there, but its often people who want the chase when you could walk into a PS massage and get a better option for cheaper. Gogos have a mixed appeal, its just more ladies to view easily so you can have your pick, which can be great, and often some very good looking ones. But its more of a chill and have a beer, hit a few spots and if its happening, go for it. I guess with people being into the 'japanese' look on some girls, a few gogos and MPs cater to that though, so that is what it is

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Where do you find these FOTBs? Thank you for all your helpful comments on this forum.

In Phuket.

I find them in massage places mainly, I watch the shops girls out front as I go past, and look for new faces, aka new arrivals.

For those I like the look of, a quick chat on the massage table will tell me whether they are FOTBs or not.

I also see some in the bars, afternoon bars that is for me, as not being single anymore I can't play at night.

What I did find valuable, and still do, is to have built "engagements" with friendly Isaan massage or bar mamasan's.

They generally had links back to their villages and extended family ties that seemed to have FOTBs sourced and turn up.

Not always, young, sometimes 20's and even 30's, but fresh, lightly fucked, sexually naive, and compliantly woo-able.

How did I generate these engagements, by periodically fucking them too of course, and often for free.

And I will admit, that sometimes they were absolutely awesome fucks, happy to help me break in their newbies.

Rarely did I see any FOTBs as freelancers, tho when I do they're being escorted around by a family "sister".

Being shown the ropes so to speak, and often being mother-henned and hence protected as they are eased in.

L.

And that mother-hen freelancer scenario is where I still dreamily recall that I met my unicorn punt.

Imagine this, an 8000; long time session, with a 22 yo, looks 7/10, body 10/10, eager and DFK happy virgin.

And yes, she was a guaranteed virgin, my sheets were the proof of that, when she gave up her virgin mouth, pussy, and ass.

All done oh so happily after she'd had her first DATY orgasm, in full GFE and DFK mode.

Aaaahhhh, the memories of that night and morning.

[Chimpo Chinn]

I've made several forays through the soi 7 complex over the last few weeks and was never impressed.

Transparency. I'm not a Beer Garden type enthusiast.

I've been perusing them as an observer for 15 or so years I've never been Impressed.

P.S. Please refrain from saying your chosen Girl has a 3/10 face.

Exaggerate and say she was Cute and Cuddly or something without referring to lack of looks.

Could also be I'm in minority who thinks looks matters.

Just doesn't make me want to read on.

[IHeartIpa]

My stronger recommendation for anyone really worried about the cost of a girl standing in front of him that he would like to have sex with and who is also supposedly interested in improving the overall Thai P4 P scene is to counter with an offer that suits him, definitely tie it in with the 2-3 most important things he expects to get for that amount of money, deal with her response to that offer and if there is no meeting of the minds within the next 10 seconds, smile, thank her for her time and walk away to find another girl of your choice who will.

Good advice. I can't understand why guys go to a place knowing the girls all will ask 2-3 k and then they offer 1 k expecting the girl to take it.

If you can only pay 1 k then go elsewhere, Pattaya has plenty of ladies for 1000 or less right now.

I'm with you that I prefer to meet the girl I'm going to bang first, see if we get along. Otherwise its just a waste of time, I have no desire to pay for bad, boring sex. I'm happy to pay more to ensure that I'll have a good time in the room.

[Franciscass]

Harry walks into a bar and asks the owner how much is a bottle of your beer. The owner answers 200 baht. Harry says I know a bar across town that sells better beerr than that for 100 baht and proceeds to show pictures of the other bar not just to the owner but to everybody else in the bar. The tombstone up on Busybodies Hill reads Here Lies Harry Who Walked Into The Wrong Bar and Couldn't Keep His Mouth Shut.

[SixZeroThree]

Long time lurker in these forums, but after reading some well written reports from other new members, I figured I would also make some contributions. I have been in Bangkok for about a week now so I'd like to offer some "boots on the ground" reports from my first day back in the land of smiles.

Kasalong

This was my first stop of this trip. Stopped by around 2 pm on a weekend. No girls sitting outside but the door was open, so I stepped inside to see what was going on. Only 2 girls available and both were average looking (I'd say 5/10 if you asked me to assign a rating). I have been to Kasalong a few times over the last few years and have often found it to be staffed with mostly older and overweight women, so it was actually a pleasant surprise, but I'll admit the bar has been set very low from my past visits. Normally I probably would have walked out and gone elsewhere to find better looking talent, but it had been over a week since I had last cum and I was in need of some release, so I agreed and she took me upstairs to give me the usual wash at one of the sinks in the rooms. She started off the blowjob by using a generous amount of lube on my balls and dick and giving my balls a lot of attention for the first 5-10 minutes. Then, she started slowly sucking and stroking from tip to end, and with the generous amount of lube mixed with her spit, it felt great. I was initially a bit worried about cumming too fast because it has been some time since I had gotten a blowjob from a pro, but those fears turned out to be unfounded as I was able to survive another 30 minutes of her sloppy slurping and stroking. I warned her as I was about to cum, but I don't think she expected me to cum THAT much (it surprised me too). I watched as she drained my balls for nearly 10 seconds and she was struggling to contain all my cum in her mouth. One last "squirt" must have hit her in the back of the throat, because it made her gag and somehow her immediate reaction was to swallow it all instead of spitting it out. Good on her for not making a mess all over the floor. She looked somewhere between annoyed and amused and she playfully smacked my leg before washing me off and sending me on my way. Would I return? Maybe if I'm in the area, but Kasalong usually isn't my first choice anyway.

Duangporn's Haven

A few hours after my Kasalong visit, I was near Asok and wanted to see if Duangporn's Haven was still around as I have some fond memories of Som's Haven and even Duangporn's Haven pre-COVID. 10-12 girls sitting outside which caught me off guard as I had expected a skeleton crew based on what I saw at Kasalong. I was overwhelmed with choice so just went with the girl who seemed most enthusiastic about spending the next half hour on her knees. Tight, slim body (7/10) and a bit below average face (3/10), but she had really plump lips. After the pre-ritual wash, she began the blowjob with a generous amount of lube. Since when did this start becoming a common thing? I can't recall the last time I went to a BJ bar in Thailand and the girls started with lube. Maybe a coincidence. I'm not complaining because she gave me one of the sloppiest and messy blowjobs I've ever received. She definitely knows she has great DSL, because she spent a lot of time running her lips up and down my shaft, making sure every bit of my dick was covered in her saliva. After about 20 minutes, I still hadn't cum, and I was about to run late for a dinner appointment, so I asked her to finish me off. 5 minutes of her thick lips focused on the tip and her hands making long strokes up and down my shaft did the trick. Tipped her 200 thb for the great service. I would definitely consider returning for her.

Analisa Massage

After dinner, I wanted to check out other members' reports of Soi Cowboy being semi-open, in that there are girls standing outside a few bars with customers mingling. Baccara was definitely the most active with a handful of girls standing outside and chatting with potential customers. I have visited Baccara many times in the past and found the current pickings to be a bit underwhelming compared to what I've seen in the past, which isn't too surprising. Maybe 2 or 3 more bars were open in a similar fashion, but I'd say 80% of Soi Cowboy is still lights out. Will check out Nana Plaza in a few days and report my findings there. I ended up walking to Nana and decided to check out Analisa Massage on a whim and there were 4 or so girls sitting outside. The mamasan talked me into a 4 hand massage with Poppy and an older woman whose name I can't remember (I'm terrible with names). This was a new experience for me as they took me into a room with a table that had a "glory hole" cutout for your dick and balls. They both playfully asked me how many shots I wanted, so I challenged them to try for two as I had already had my fair share of fun earlier in the day. They had me lie down initially and a fully nude Poppy was able to get my first shot off with a very oily handjob through the glory hole. She took extra care to make sure all of my cum landed on her chest. After the first shot (and third shot of the day), I was exhausted and ready to call it quits, but they talked me into a second shot and to try the prostate massage, which I have never done before. It only took me about 5 seconds to come to the conclusion that I'm not a big prostate massage fan, so I asked them to stop. They ultimately finished me off with another oily handjob, with Poppy spending a lot of time licking my nipples and kissing my chest. There was no way I was going to manage a third shot with them, so I took a quick shower but had a difficult time getting the oil off my body, so I gave up and decided I'd give myself a deep scrub at home. There were a few guys waiting downstairs as I made my way out, so it seems like Analisa has managed to stay relatively busy.

I plan to revisit all the other popular shops over the course of my stay here. If anyone wants me to check out any specific shops they're curious about just let me know and I'll see if I can take a quick peek if I'm in the area.

[TKOman]

Seeing as LOL's and Kasaloong appear defunct, I dropped by Wood the other day. Mid-day and only 2 girls, but. Both doable! Picked Gai who was doing yoga-like stretches on the front porch and proceeded up to the room. She was cheerful and flirty, which endeared me to her. Washed off and she got down on her knees and started in on the BJ with enthusiasm and soft moans. But. A lot of teeth. After 10 minutes I decided to call it quits, but she persisted and eaked an orgasm out of me in fairly short order! Tipped her modestly and, sadly, WNR.

[EihTooms]

This. IMO making it your mission to challenge random bar girls on their pricing (with supporting documentation 555) is kind of creepy, bad karma, and not the way I would choose to spend my holiday.

And sometimes the ladies intentionally price their time high in order to discourage punters they have already met face to face, and really don't want to go with anyway..

Back when the occasional cutie and above bargirl average looker might be spotted sitting outside Lolitas and Kasalong BJ Bars, I made a point to walk past those bars with my Nana Plaza go-go bargirl take-out for the night on the way to my apartment and would ask the 2,000+ baht plus barfine plus Ladydrink go-go girl if she knew about those bars. They always said No and I believed them.

I then informed them that a customer would choose a girl (this is where a girl not too polar opposite on the looks scale vs many popular go-go girls sitting there came in handy) and she would take him upstairs for a good BJ for 700-800 baht to the bar, she got to keep half of that amount, or for full service ST for 1,700 baht, room and private shower included, no barfine required or Ladydrink expected.

This was always a shocking revelation to the go-go girl who had no idea that was what many of the potential customers who declined to pay her and her co-workers' prices could and in those days did choose to do instead anytime before 1 am any night and no more than a 10 minute walk from her go-go bar.

So I appreciate an effort to inform higher priced girls of their competition.

The issues that concern me about girls who are live and in person on the scene for our immediate assessment, negotiation, acceptance or rejection being shown online sites from Fiwfans to Smooci to the top Bangkok escort services is, among other things, those low hanging peaches are being informed about more than some, IMO, relatively insignificant price difference, if there is any price advantage at all on those sites.

They are also being introduced to "competition" systems that apparently get along very well requiring full Payment Upfront, imposing 1,000+ baht cancellation fees, profiles of girls quoting and presumably getting 2,000 - 3,000+ baht for 90 minutes or so with no possible BBFS or BBFS+CIP on the radar, perhaps intimations that so much as asking for either would get you blackballed and banned from the sites, often no mention of DFK or even BBBJ as mere foreplay.

And all while the online site girl just sits in her room playing on her phone until the bookings come in from compliant, well behaved punters willing to pay the quoted price and, the vast majority of the time, accept whoever is really in those doctored pics and whatever service she doles out in the room after having Paid Upfront in full.

My stronger recommendation for anyone really worried about the cost of a girl standing in front of him that he would like to have sex with and who is also supposedly interested in improving the overall Thai P4 P scene is to counter with an offer that suits him, definitely tie it in with the 2-3 most important things he expects to get for that amount of money, deal with her response to that offer and if there is no meeting of the minds within the next 10 seconds, smile, thank her for her time and walk away to find another girl of your choice who will.

[Goatscrot]

But they are getting ploughed all day. This is not to everyones liking.

It takes a lot of time, time is money, which needs to be worked into the true cost. If you are retired then you have all the time in the world. If you work here though, the hour a day trolling through all the sites will probably cost more than the actual hourly rate of the girl.

Many bar girls see customers during the day as well so quite a few are getting "ploughed. " But, a quick shower and she might as well be a virgin.

Yes, online is a completely different experience from the bars. Honestly, I went off bar girls in 2007 when I discovered Tulip. And then of course there was the wonderful day's when Mango, Snow White, and Cherry were all in full swing. When my friends and I get together it's not a beer bar or gogo. It's for dinner or drinks at a local place. But again, we're all long time residents so our wants and needs are different.

But if you want to talk about interaction the majority of online girls actually have quite a bit more to talk about than your average bar girl. Many have traveled and plied their wares overseas, quite a few at this point are degreed, and overall for me a much more pleasant experience than drinking with a bar girl. As I stated in an earlier post the last girl I had was probably the most beautiful girl I've ever had sex with in my life and in between rounds one and two we had a great discussion about food and wine.
Time? Sitting in a bar drinking can take up hours and of course interfere with the next day if one imbibes too much. And with online you can do your research anywhere. Home, coffee shop, etc. And your looking at pics of gals in the reviews!

[Goatscrot]

Not to deny that most of the girls to be taken from the Soi 4, Soi 7, Soi 8, Soi 11 and Sukhimvit beer bars these days are not the quality one would find in venues where girls are required to expose more skin in the lineup and during pre-Covid normal times. But last Saturday night would not have been the best night of the past few weeks to go window shopping in the area.

For one, there has seemed to be fewer girls in the bars on Saturday nights vs Friday nights in general for the past few months, with numbers peaking from 7:30 pm to 9 pm.

And for another, Sunday was Father's Day in Thailand and Monday was a public holiday. A lot of the more financially solvent girls either returned to their outer provinces this past weekend or stayed there to be with their family and didn't travel to Bangkok to work in a bar.

I've made several forays through the soi 7 complex over the last few weeks and was never impressed.

[DraftVader]

I've never done fiwfans, but it seems to me that it is a completely different experience than being with a bar girl. With finfan it seems to be nothing more than sex with whatever you consider to be a hot girl, you make your choice with no idea of her personality. With a bar girl, personality is a big part of it. I see them as two things as different as hunting and fishing. If you want to go fishing, you won't opt to go hunting because it is less expensive.

I have been exclusively FiwFans, Offdek, ThaiSideline for the past year or so. Have so seriously amazing sex for B1,000-1,500 (depending on what you want the girl to do). The most filthy girl I have ever met is a FiwFans girl. You just have to get past the BS. Have had one bait and switch but the girl was hotter than the girl in the photos. She had a different charging rate but that was discussed at the door. It was B200 more but I came all over her, very pretty & young, face and tits.

These encounters are not "personable" but I am not in this game to make friends but for hot sex. And it works!

[NicFrenchy]

I've never done fiwfans, but it seems to me that it is a completely different experience than being with a bar girl. With finfan it seems to be nothing more than sex with whatever you consider to be a hot girl, you make your choice with no idea of her personality. With a bar girl, personality is a big part of it. I see them as two things as different as hunting and fishing. If you want to go fishing, you won't opt to go hunting because it is less expensive.

You nailed it.

They both come with their bags of risks.

Online, you run the risk of the girl not being nearly as nice of the photos, or the good old "bait and switch".

BG can have a great attitude in the bar, it is not guaranteed that's the personality she will have in the bedroom. She can be drunk, she can agree to LT but pull the "My kid is sick" to cut it to ST.

Now, who cares that the guy shows online prices to a hooker? Who cares if he talks to other customers about it? BG's talk all the time about customers, there is no rule against either.

That's his choice what tactic he wants to employ to drive prices down. As well as it is the girl's choice what price she charges.

Both are still in control, one about how much she wants to charge and the other how much he's prepared to pay.

Now one has to be careful, Thai girls are wild animals (and I say that with the greatest of respect), if you try to squeeze them, they will give you the starfish treatment. A girl can let herself relax and give a guy a million dollar experience for 3 K, but be just a piece of dead wood to the next punter because she had to settle for 1 K. I'm not saying you should overpay, but if a girl asks for 3 K, forcing her to go down to 1 K probably won't get you very far (as far as her attitude in the room and in the sack).