FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[ExpatLover]

In Germany we should be aware that authorities are also registered making regular reviews of what is written and of interest. There is one board in which the line-up of Sharks is regularly posted not in complete but in a very detailed way. The women are regsitered and have their respective "passport" and the club has ist lists for every day showing the name of girls being there. I think the management of a club accept these rules in order to assure making ist business run instead of doing exceptions with some girls.

Only fantasm, the controls are only there to get tax payments.

[Danny227]

My meaning was when Sharks was a small club with less than 50 girls, 5 years ago, German clients business was maybe enough, but now Germans even with Turkish, Albanians and Afghans attending Sharks at night, wouldn't be enough to give enough business to more than 100 girls. Besides, many Germans, not only at Sharks, don't go with girls, but just eat, drink and sauna. But I agree Western Europeans are more demanding because used to Caucasian type girls than Asians who go with any blond, or even Americans who have fat and silicon standards at home, and missing sex in US, when I can have a Russian escort every day in Paris, but I wait for my Siberian Sveta. When tourists make business, then girls fall in touristic level, when I still manage to find good girls who are happy with 100 for 1 full GFE hour and come to ask to repeat. On Friday, a girl was so passionate compare to previous Friday, asking even for a third room when she said I killed her pussy on our second room, but she wanted to repeat, I didn't. No upselling, each time, 100 for a bit more than 1 hour.

Happy for you if you found good girls in Hessen on this time. Ski time now, but have to find time to go to Florentina who was one of the last high level girl met at Sharks. Did you see the beautiful German brunette?

Sharks has fewer girl, but was never so small. Armos is small. 50 girls is enough. I have that at world now and that's absolutely enough. Sharks will nit close its doors if tourist will not come from Asia or the US. Its core clients are Europeans. Crossing the borders from France or taking a short flight from London is not really a big deal. I have friends who almost weekly from Torin and I don't consider them fly in. Sharks will not close its door with out fly in mongers. World is slow, but still have some perfect days there. Point remains the same: big clubs are not, were not and will not be depended on fly in mongers. Fact.

[Nick The G]

I think you need to explain your reason for writing this.

Let's put it that way: well yeah, the clubs have to maintain these lists. And the girls and boys in german brothels according to the new prostitution law have to use condoms. What every club will officially state, of course.

So, sometimes it is good to have a second source of information. Why not check the internet?

[Tedesco]

….. line-up list …. more interesting for tax authorities than reports …...

In Germany we should be aware that authorities are also registered making regular reviews of what is written and of interest. There is one board in which the line-up of Sharks is regularly posted not in complete but in a very detailed way. The women are regsitered and have their respective "passport" and the club has ist lists for every day showing the name of girls being there. I think the management of a club accept these rules in order to assure making ist business run instead of doing exceptions with some girls.

[Tedesco]

This Monday I am in Sharks. Up from noon. Happy to know whoever there will be by chance.

[Member #4585]

This is why line-up list in fora are more interesting for tax authorities than reports of actions in the room.

I think you need to explain your reason for writing this.

Are the cops going to sitting on this website in paid for work time trolling for line up lists? Picking up a random name here or there, trying to work out was it Milena, Elena, Dilena or Mila who was discussed? Trying to decipher the arguments on the forum about was it 100 girls or 150 girls or was it 20 girls depending on the time of day or day of the week a monger was visiting the club?

I would think that it is a better use of taxpayer's money if the cops just went to the front desk of the club to ask for the line up list kept by the receptionist of which girls had paid entry to work in the club and the records of the prior days. That club's list would be far more complete and accurate.

For police it is going to be hard to put up evidence based on some guy pumped with viagra and cannot even remember a girls name writing on an internet forum than a hard list from the club itself of all the girls registered to work for the day. Commonsense.

No difference to the men visiting the clubs. They are consumerists too, they consume alcohol, viagra, female bodies and connected illusions.

These days I get more excitement from a doner kebab. Commonsense.

[Member #4585]

This can be true for the older germans, as many of them are stink-rich nowadays.

You are quite right, but Germany does beat the incomes of many of its neighbors when it comes to gross domestic product per person. Beating Belgium, Denmark, Italy, United Kingdom, France and Austria for example. Netherlands beats Germany on these tables.

Link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...%29_per_capita

So I would agree the older retired Germans with pension plans from their middle industry jobs would be well set up.

All your calc sounds fine. However, the major reason of upselling has much simpler economics. A girl only needs to spend 1 min on upselling, has often a 50% chance of succeeding of making 20 - 50 euro more.

So in the 1 min of upselling she she earns an expected 10 e to 25 e.

So in the 8 sessions, trusting your numbers, she makes an additional 80 e- 200 e more money, just for 8 min more work. So that is a large sum of money, normalized to the hour.

Yeah, many girls say that they do this up-selling since you have to pump the guys for as much as possible from the beginning since when you start then you only get the basic money. In this way they can give the same service and get paid much more. This is why more and more there is discussion about money before the session starts. Commonsense.

Its quite poignant when a girl tells you this but then you are wondering when she is going to upsell you.

[Nick The G]

The girls do their best to not pay local income taxes apart from the initial withholding taxes with is paid in the entrance fee, but they contribute to the German economy in other ways.

The main goal of the new prostitution law in Germany is to enable the tax departments to get more money from the women working in prostitution. This is why line-up list in fora are more interesting for tax authorities than reports of actions in the room.

The girls are consumerist.

No difference to the men visiting the clubs. They are consumerists too, they consume alcohol, viagra, female bodies and connected illusions.

[Sirioja]

I was very happy with Sharks in that time. Very happy with palace in that time. Super happy with Oase and of course world. You must differentiate tourist as Europeans are different than Americans or Asian, which are the holy Grail for girls. Combine that with the new rules and girls can charge 150 for a 30 minutes room sometimes. Good 100 room are hard do find as a result. Even 150 doesn't guarantee anything in many clubs. When the consumer market adjusts and widens so do the services and prices offered. It is a natural progression. But the point being the clubs do not depend on the fly in mongers as the clubs existed before and will exist after.

My meaning was when Sharks was a small club with less than 50 girls, 5 years ago, German clients business was maybe enough, but now Germans even with Turkish, Albanians and Afghans attending Sharks at night, wouldn't be enough to give enough business to more than 100 girls. Besides, many Germans, not only at Sharks, don't go with girls, but just eat, drink and sauna. But I agree Western Europeans are more demanding because used to Caucasian type girls than Asians who go with any blond, or even Americans who have fat and silicon standards at home, and missing sex in US, when I can have a Russian escort every day in Paris, but I wait for my Siberian Sveta. When tourists make business, then girls fall in touristic level, when I still manage to find good girls who are happy with 100 for 1 full GFE hour and come to ask to repeat. On Friday, a girl was so passionate compare to previous Friday, asking even for a third room when she said I killed her pussy on our second room, but she wanted to repeat, I didn't. No upselling, each time, 100 for a bit more than 1 hour.

Happy for you if you found good girls in Hessen on this time. Ski time now, but have to find time to go to Florentina who was one of the last high level girl met at Sharks. Did you see the beautiful German brunette?

[Kuni042]

The examples of the Germans that give 150 euro for "one hour" sessions when the actual time is 45 minutes with or usually without a CIM extra involved.

This can be true for the older germans, as many of them are stink-rich nowadays. The younger germans? I would really highly doubt that for most of them.

So one can be forgiven that the girls can be enterprising in trying to get as much from a session as they can.

All your calc sounds fine. However, the major reason of upselling has much simpler economics. A girl only needs to spend 1 min on upselling, has often a 50% chance of succeeding of making 20 - 50 euro more.

So in the 1 min of upselling she she earns an expected 10 e to 25 e.

So in the 8 sessions, trusting your numbers, she makes an additional 80 e- 200 e more money, just for 8 min more work. So that is a large sum of money, normalized to the hour.

[ExpatLover]

There has always been tourist business, going way back. So you cannot blame the drive in and fly in customers from Belgium, Netherlands, France, Poland, Denmark, Austria, Italy and Switzerland. These guys have been coming in droves. Like the Irish have been coming to America as Bono said.

I have heard many a time from girls that the Germans are the better tippers and over payers. The examples of the Germans that give 150 euro for "one hour" sessions when the actual time is 45 minutes with or usually without a CIM extra involved. As YamaYama says the time not in the room can be considered a tip. Then there is the package deals with 500 euro for two hours where the German guy "can do anything" he wants. Then there is the 10 euro to 20 and even 50 euro tips that girls get from the German guys.

There is just a vocal small group of hard core German regulars that insist on a competitive race to the bottom who score points for getting the most couch time, room time and high level services for 50 bucks that skew the discussion forums. As with many the reality can be different.

200 euro a day is not that much. Girls will aim for 500 a day is likely. Stories abound of the earlier days when many girls would aim for 1000 a day, but nowadays maybe only the best girls can make 1000 a day.

Chongmal makes a very good point that when the foreign girls work in Germany that they are living in Germany so their expenses become German. It is only whatever savings that the girls make that it becomes good money.

Working on a hypothetical working girl who stays in Germany 75% of the year meaning 9 months working in Germany and 3 months at home over the course of the year seems normal since we all know girls who are always away on holiday or just taking a break.

What about taxes, AOK, pimps, drugs, shopping addiction. To make it easy I can tell you that 80% of the Romanian girls have nothing after 5 years in FKK probably some German girls have a better control of their life.

[Member #4585]

With less tourist business, there was less inflation and better service. All the clubs existed before tourist and would have existed otherwise as 200 euro a day for a girl is a lot for the countries they come from. But why work hard when they have what you like to call fly in mongers. Oh men, this will be my last response to you, not even basic game theory principles will appeal.

There has always been tourist business, going way back. So you cannot blame the drive in and fly in customers from Belgium, Netherlands, France, Poland, Denmark, Austria, Italy and Switzerland. These guys have been coming in droves. Like the Irish have been coming to America as Bono said.

I have heard many a time from girls that the Germans are the better tippers and over payers. The examples of the Germans that give 150 euro for "one hour" sessions when the actual time is 45 minutes with or usually without a CIM extra involved. As YamaYama says the time not in the room can be considered a tip. Then there is the package deals with 500 euro for two hours where the German guy "can do anything" he wants. Then there is the 10 euro to 20 and even 50 euro tips that girls get from the German guys.

There is just a vocal small group of hard core German regulars that insist on a competitive race to the bottom who score points for getting the most couch time, room time and high level services for 50 bucks that skew the discussion forums. As with many the reality can be different.

200 euro a day is not that much. Girls will aim for 500 a day is likely. Stories abound of the earlier days when many girls would aim for 1000 a day, but nowadays maybe only the best girls can make 1000 a day.

Chongmal makes a very good point that when the foreign girls work in Germany that they are living in Germany so their expenses become German. It is only whatever savings that the girls make that it becomes good money.

Working on a hypothetical working girl who stays in Germany 75% of the year meaning 9 months working in Germany and 3 months at home over the course of the year seems normal since we all know girls who are always away on holiday or just taking a break.

This girl will need somewhere to stay. I know girls paying 500 euro for a room share a month and many girls paying 1000 a month for a room in a be&be, pension, or hotel. So let us work on 750 as a half way house here but knowing most girls prefer to live alone or with their fish boyfriend so its more at the higher end. Food, mobile phone, make up, hair, nails and incidentals like 25 a day on say a 30 day month is 750. It is probably more. So already accommodation and living costs that is fixed costs of 1500 euros a day.

Then for the work expenses side as the girls are independent contractors.

Let us work on 20 days worked in a 30 day period which seems about right from my observations. Some girls work everyday 7 days a week since their manager pushes them but then some girls are pushed less by their manager so 5 days a week is a basic number in our hypothetical and using empirical observation.

Entrance fees is 105 a day at Sharks which is the initial withholding tax, entrance fee and 5 for the condoms. I do know there is a small room charge if a girl stays in the club but we are working on a live out girl. I have also read that the Sharks girls pay 195 a day entry but I am not sure on that. So at 105 entry a day for a 20 day working month that is 2100.

Maybe taxi / car return travel to and from club at 30 a day so over 20 days working in a month that is 600 bucks more.

So now we add these together 1500 fixed cost of being in Germany with room and living expenses, plus the 2100 entrance fees and 600 taxi / car is 4200 a month. I know even for me my expenses are 1850 (outside my other homes) a month. So the girl has 2350 a month more costs in comparison to me. That is not an insignificant amount of money.

If a girl earns gross 400 a day (8 rooms a day on average) over a 20 day average month then that is 8000 a month, and over a 9 month year since as we know many girls do not work all year due to the mental strain of the job then that is 72000 a year. If the girl is only paying for the flat in Germany during her 9 months and many actually keep their flat in Germany when home but we will assume she does not, then the math is 8000 less 4200 costs is 3800 surplus. She over a year can make savings of 34200 a year. Much less if the girl keeps her flat for the whole year. The girls do their best to not pay local income taxes apart from the initial withholding taxes with is paid in the entrance fee, but they contribute to the German economy in other ways.

So taking that 34200 a year possible savings from working in German then compared to over a 240 day (12 month x 20 days a month) working year at home is like saving 142.50 a day compared to say saving nothing working in an average job making 1000 euro a month in Bucharest or Cluj or Constanta. I think even 1000 euro a month in Romania is a lot of money having stayed there myself.

So in way I can see 200 a day is a lot of money for a girl in Romania but the girl has to actually save their money to take back to Romania. What you see is the girls spending a lot of their money in Germany buying hang bags, expensive make up, fast cars, luxury holidays, all the things a 20 something year old girl who is an avid social media consumer would want as well. The girls are consumerist.

With costs like these 200 income a day does not cover costs. Income of 400 or 500 a day will give a profit sufficient to save (or splurge).

Sorry, I am digressing. The point is the same as Optimist that earning 200 a day is not really going to cover the girls costs which is around 210 a day (4200 divide by 20 working days). She needs to earn more. So one can be forgiven that the girls can be enterprising in trying to get as much from a session as they can.

[Danny227]

The less he understands something, the more firmly he believes in it.

Wilhelm Reich, Listen, Little Man.

[Danny227]

Sharks was a small club with 30/40 girls in 2013, about 50 on 2014, 150 sometimes since November 2016, but lower casting for beauties. Top girls don't stay for cheap 50 at Sharks, they prefer clubs with better business. Castings are on clients level, even GT casting is disappointing on November. Germans don't make clubs business and even less for girls, Turkish make clubs business at night, NL and Belgium make GT business, not locals make most of time big clubs business. Only small clubs get business from Germans.

I was very happy with Sharks in that time. Very happy with palace in that time. Super happy with Oase and of course world. You must differentiate tourist as Europeans are different than Americans or Asian, which are the holy Grail for girls. Combine that with the new rules and girls can charge 150 for a 30 minutes room sometimes. Good 100 room are hard do find as a result. Even 150 doesn't guarantee anything in many clubs. When the consumer market adjusts and widens so do the services and prices offered. It is a natural progression. But the point being the clubs do not depend on the fly in mongers as the clubs existed before and will exist after.

[ExpatLover]

Good point. I believe they have more than that per month. Remember they pay more than us to enter the club so only working 5 days a week would be average 2000 just to enter the club. Then the have their expensive make up, clothes, rent food taxes etc. I think 500/ day is their main target for most of them. They make good money but they also have a lot of expenses. Still a good business for prostitutes who believe that the meaning of life is to open wide your legs. LOL.

Most of the girls are living in the clubs or sharing a flat, I think they need 150 to 200 euro per day including entry fees.