Berlin

[Bobo.fr]

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RB went to Ginas Tango Rose in Steglitz and had a 45 min session with very attractive Ella, quite pleasant if not earth-moving, and a reasonable Eur 100. The place has been redecorated and has a nice atmosphere. Worth checking out http://www.ginas-tango-rosa.de/nutte...ex_modelle.htm

Salut RB,

GTR seems really interesting and, IMHO, deserves a specific thread:

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...Rosa-%28GTR%29

By the way, pretty Felicia is back in KD.

[Rocketboy0]

Well at least they have a website

Sorry boyze. Sent wrong link. Still really no word, no proper website, but seems like opening pushed back to next year. http://fkk24.org/Potsdam/FKK-Grand-P...7-Potsdam.html. So based upon the article of last June (see this thread) the thing is allegedly being built near the glider airport Saarmunder Flugplatz. Doing some digging, it is at least a 20 minute drive south of Potsdam, and public transport will effectively not be an option. It will be a project, especially in bad weather:

https://encrypted.google.com/maps/di...76!2d52.308738

They could build something big, with nice outdoor pool and garden etc. But if rumoured Artemis luxury club opens across the autobahn, it will be a tough sell IMHO. It may feel also isolated for girls working there without a car, as public transport will be a hassle. But who knows, if the price is right, the atmosphere super geil. Anyway all just talk at the moment.

[Rocketboy0]

Well at least they have a website, and a video, 2 actually, long on pointless drama, short (to overstate it) on any useful details. Still no word on opening, prices, hours, location yada yada.

But to just savour the possibilities: http://grand-palais.com/.

[Rocketboy0]

these are the things probably not found in berlin: hiring a girl friend for days or weeks in thailand, multi-floor multi-venue entertainment complexes in bangkok, all inclusive resorts in the caribbean, exclusive and expensive nightclubs in shanghai, hostess clubs in tokyo, fantasy gfe encounters in montreal, the amsterdam style rdl.

correct. it is just boring berlin, poor but sexy.

of course if you do want to throw around some serious euros, a weekend could be done, and there are 1-2 high end bars and bordellos.

on hotels, there are some that kind of cater to sws like the penzion stockholm or others near blowstrasse. but since the scene here is so tolerated and rep001tered, not really a need, with easily several thousand girls in the game at quite reasonable prices.

on that theme..

rb went to ginas tango rose in steglitz and had a 45 min session with very attractive ella, quite pleasant if not earth-moving, and a reasonable eur 100. the place has been redecorated and has a nice atmosphere. worth checking out http://www.ginas-tango-rosa.de/nutte...ex_modelle.htm

[Viger99]

I know that some guys just asking to be spoon-fed without obviously doing any research is kind of bold, and often lame. But I travel quite a bit, and it helps for someone to give a quick one paragraph lay of the land, to guide your research.

There is a fundamental attribution error that I was looking to be spoon fed. I should have phrased my question closer to what Manny51 wrote above. My feeling about Berlin is probably not that different from how he feels about his upcoming trip to Dubai. Knowing what I know now, the following is how I would have answered my own question, things that most people around here might say "You did not know that? What a newb!

Money for sex is perfectly legal in Berlin and the rest of Germany, and there is no issue whatsoever with negotiating for sexual services either in private or in public, e. G. With a SW on the street. This is definitely something good to know especially if you are coming from the Nordic countries or the USA. There are many options available, from FKK clubs, sauna clubs, brothels, Kinos, fixed-price all you can do buffets, gangbangs, strip clubs, outcalls, hotel bars, S&M clubs, bare back clubs, and of course SWs. There is a very vibrant scene for hobbying and is very open. There is no one central RDL and they are clustered in certain areas all around the city.

My apology if I offended the sensibility of anyone here. My sense is that some if not most of the senior members here are locals. I mentioned hotels not that there are no other websites available on Berlin hotels, but was wondering whether there are certain hotels that are especially geared for hobbying. For example, the Nana Hotel across from Nana Plaza in Bangkok.

I am not 100% sure, but these are the things probably not found in Berlin: hiring a girl friend for days or weeks in Thailand, multi-floor multi-venue entertainment complexes in Bangkok, all inclusive resorts in the Caribbean, exclusive and expensive nightclubs in Shanghai, hostess clubs in Tokyo, fantasy GFE encounters in Montreal, the Amsterdam style RDL.

[Wanking]

Excellent report by Diplomat.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...345&viewfull=1#post1632345.

[Rocketboy0]

Hi!

I am planning to visit Berlin in the first week of January, right after new years, and I would like to know if it is business as usual in the sex scene or if it is slowed down due to extended Christmas vacations etc.

Hi-Yes it will be very slow til 2nd week in Jan. That will affect your language needs. You will need to phone ahead to see who is around and if they speak English etc Liberty a good bet but impossible to say this far in advance. You will still need to call on the day you are ready. Tiffany closed at the moment. Royal, Prestige and van Kampen are other options but doubt the lesser priced options will work for you. Would be better if you could come later so manage your expectations.

[Klarc]

Hi!

I am planning to visit Berlin in the first week of January, right after new years, and I would like to know if it is business as usual in the sex scene or if it is slowed down due to extended Christmas vacations etc. ?

I also wonder how feasible it is to meet English speaking women. Kamilla dee, Royal, (Tiffany), and Artemis have always had a good selection of English speaking women. It seems like Liberty should also be a viable option, but I haven't tried it. How about Freudenhaus hase (doesn't look very promising)? The more low end brothels usually do not seem to show language proficiency (or prices for that matter).

I would really like to be able session with several women consecutively, for instance a 20-30 minute session with woman#1 followed by a second and third session with woman#2 och #3, is such a thing possible in any of the brothels? Preferably in one of the more affordable for instance Liberty.

A note of caution: http://www.erotik-berlin.com "Bordelle Karlsruher" is a bit shady, and I consider it too shady for the price, albeit kinda cheap.

[Rocketboy0]

why are you discussing the possibility of a summary page? It shouldn't be necessary. Cmon man. We can be grown ups about this.

For whatever the reason, some people seem unable to manage either reading, using the search engine, or the cannot grasp the structure of the ISG. Part of the problem as Bobo has shown is the structure itself somehow does not allow the logical place for bordellos inside a Berlin thread, so it is an awkward external add on.

The information really is all there (and we all managed), and if a new visitor just spends an hour reading, they will have more than enough info to keep busy for a week. Nothing secretive about that. But just having some single overview place for the challenged, or those who only can spare 30 seconds, is fine with me. Is it necessary? Not really. Would it be helpful - probably. The thing is even if it exists, some people, being people, will still surely overlook it. And then the question is what level of detail is "needed", beyond the really good berlin intim summaries. It will need updating and managing, and that all needs sorting out. I certainly don't have the time or desire to do this, but if you would like to write up a summary for the new to Berlin, please by all means, do so.

As I said, even Admin made some noises about this in the past and really every city could do with one, especially as most are nowhere near as organized or transparent as Berlin. Here, there maybe another solution in the works but it involves someone else and out of respect for their privacy, they will now have to make the first move. I hope it will happen. Finis. On the adult side - RB will happily let you lead by example. Let us end all this carping and back and forth and scoring points, and make the forum fun and interesting for others.

[Manny51]

No-they were on a completely separate blog, now pulled from the interweb. They were perfect for newbs. Doubt any of us have the energy to re-create this but there might be a solution. Stay tuned.

On the newbs front in general, specific questions that really are not easily answered by the ton of existing info (discussed next), are always welcomed and answered. But general, vague, and implicit "just tell me everything because I am soooooooo busy" do press buttons (and certainly RBs). It took us a huge effort of time, money, failed expeditions, getting lost, etc to piece together what exists. A lot of what a newb needs are really a question of understanding his tastes and budget-things only HE can answer. And again Berlin is already very organized. The really good local portal overview, Bobo's efforts, and a one minute look thru the various ISG Berlin / Germany threads really do give a quick lay of the land. You have all the key addresses, or links needed, enough to keep busy for weeks. It just takes a little effort, but really not a lot of effort. And with online translators, language (or the whopping 10-20 words needed to master things) not an issue.

Again, all this is driven by "what is needed", itself a very subjective thing. Can you really get more from some subjective view of a bordello vs just looking at its website? Does us saying this place is good, this is crap really help? I think not since there are good and bad girls everywhere. All way too subjective and it simply changes all the time. And then, what really matters is how an unknown person will get on with a girl who herself may or may not be known. Impossible to predict. While there is some overlap on tastes and performances obviously, I still am amazed how friends can enjoy someone to whom I am not the least attracted, and vice versa. That`s the way nature works, to keep the old gene pool diverse. Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

So with all its imperfections, there really is plenty of info out there to help anyone. And some simple overview may be in the works. But Berlin is unusually, already, well-organized in all this stuff if you simply take the time to access it.

I would respectfully disagree. First of all, let me say that I also agree that his request to be spoon fed was pretty shameless. However, my own foray into Berlin was very recent, and I just went through the research process. I can tell you that it is NOT laid out simply. The Bordello section of the forum is hidden. You can't access it via the main Germany directory. I agree with Bobo in that the bordello is the best option in Berlin. There are lots of good ones, yet there is very little discussion about them.

I also want to clarify your opinion. So if you think that there are millions of options, and that it is already laid out well enough if you just read the posts, then why are you discussing the possibility of a summary page? It shouldn't be necessary.

All I am saying is that it is easy to say RTFF. And lots of guys deserve it. But when a few sentences will do the job, why not be helpful? Its like some people think they are part of prestigious secret society, and they want to make every potential visitor "earn" their way in. If not, then go away. Cmon man. We can be grown ups about this.

[Rocketboy0]

How old are these reports? Are they already in ROD, but way back?

No-they were on a completely separate blog, now pulled from the interweb. They were perfect for newbs. Doubt any of us have the energy to re-create this but there might be a solution. Stay tuned.

On the newbs front in general, specific questions that really are not easily answered by the ton of existing info (discussed next), are always welcomed and answered. But general, vague, and implicit "just tell me everything because I am soooooooo busy" do press buttons (and certainly RBs). It took us a huge effort of time, money, failed expeditions, getting lost, etc to piece together what exists. A lot of what a newb needs are really a question of understanding his tastes and budget-things only HE can answer. And again Berlin is already very organized. The really good local portal overview, Bobo's efforts, and a one minute look thru the various ISG Berlin / Germany threads really do give a quick lay of the land. You have all the key addresses, or links needed, enough to keep busy for weeks. It just takes a little effort, but really not a lot of effort. And with online translators, language (or the whopping 10-20 words needed to master things) not an issue.

On eg hotels-a lot of mongers here live here so they don't really know. Other's recommendations are also subjective, and say nothing about taste, price, actual availability and affordability when actually needed, so at the end of the day, the usual simple internet searches win out on this.

Again, all this is driven by "what is needed", itself a very subjective thing. Can you really get more from some subjective view of a bordello vs just looking at its website? Does us saying this place is good, this is crap really help? I think not since there are good and bad girls everywhere. All way too subjective and it simply changes all the time. And then, what really matters is how an unknown person will get on with a girl who herself may or may not be known. Impossible to predict. While there is some overlap on tastes and performances obviously, I still am amazed how friends can enjoy someone to whom I am not the least attracted, and vice versa. That`s the way nature works, to keep the old gene pool diverse. Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

All the better places can be easily viewed off the one page in eg Berlin Intim, Their websites have addresses, pictures, prices, opening hours, telephone numbers, what languages they speak, even sometimes detailed schedules (eg KD). Bobo's links by their very existence tell you what the "list" of good places is, all or so 8 of them. Then there are those who swear by their great diamonds in the rough finds at super cheapos, or gangbang clubs, or even the mean streets. The local search engines eg either Berlin Intim or Kaufmich, provide at least detailed info on perhaps 2000+ girls. You can even find cliquish high schoolers. And again - the Forum's search engine also really does work pretty well - you just have to use it. Girls names, bordellos names, even hotels. It gives you access to years of reports, sometimes just on a single page.

All the bordellos at least in the western part are of vaguely similar design standard, some slightly better than others and that is reflected in the price. Any look at their websites, and those of others more down-market, surely give the reader a sense of what to expect. The rest is really up to them. And in our age of GPS, smartphones, free on-phone (no need for real time internet, for most countries eg NavFree) navigators, if you cannot find a place, then surely you are doomed.

So with all its imperfections, there really is plenty of info out there to help anyone. And some simple overview may be in the works. But Berlin is unusually, already, well-organized in all this stuff if you simply take the time to access it.

[Manny51]

I'm going to have to agree with you on the old Angus Berlin offerings his blog and all his postings is what fueled me up with the knowledge and confidence to finally make a trip out to Germany also lots came from the nice folks on this Forum but would be great to see a guide blog or to see that old Angus blog back up again. I would do one myself but would be dated after sometime and I don't feel that I know enough since I don't live in Germany.

How old are these reports? Are they already in ROD, but way back? When I researched my trip, I don't remember seeing such a guide. Perhaps I didn't go back far enough. I have found that postings older than 2 years are of limited value. Things change so fast.

Is a comprehensive guide really necessary? I would be interested in it, but mostly academically. I would imagine that gangbangs and bareback clubs only interest a very small part of the punting community, perhaps for residents.

I know that some guys just asking to be spoon-fed without obviously doing any research is kind of bold, and often lame. But I travel quite a bit, and it helps for someone to give a quick one paragraph lay of the land, to guide your research. I would have loved it if someone had helped me with the few sentences I gave the other guy. Although there are exhaustive options in Berlin, I think that the basic layout for 90% of people is very simple. I thought that I spent an unnecessary amount of time to decipher what was in actuality someone could have told me in less than 30 seconds.

I honestly think that some forums have communities of people that can be a little too cliquey and harsh. I am not saying that that is the case about Berlin. The Phillipines forum is probably the best example. I understand the reflex to slap guys like this down. It seems bold to be asked to be spoon fed. But now I am planning a trip later this year to Dubai, and the layout there is very cryptic. It would be nice if someone gave me the lay of the land, but I am hesitant to ask in fear of getting slapped down and excluded from getting help. I feel the need to read more so I get the "tone" of the community there.

Not all newbs are newbs. Some people are just new in town. And when I see people harshly slapping down a newb, I know that they are someone who doesn't travel much.

Giving help is good karma, and a little kindness can go a long way. I like to think of us as men who travel the world and enjoy the finer things in life. Not a bunch of adolescent cliquey schoolgirls. Sometimes I have to check myself to avoid becoming the latter.

[Geescummy]

However it would be very tough to improve upon the old Angus Berlin offerings (certainly for the effort involved) and so the alternative could be ......resurrection. I for one wish he was still posting.

Otherwise, Bobo could surely do it, as he is halfway on the mission as it is?

I'm going to have to agree with you on the old Angus Berlin offerings his blog and all his postings is what fueled me up with the knowledge and confidence to finally make a trip out to Germany also lots came from the nice folks on this Forum but would be great to see a guide blog or to see that old Angus blog back up again. I would do one myself but would be dated after sometime and I don't feel that I know enough since I don't live in Germany.

[Rocketboy0]

Perhaps it's time somebody wrote an essay on the basic scene in Berlin. FKK, Bordelles, gangbangs, Kinos, escort agencies. We could then post it in the Reports of Distinction, and refer all newbie callers like the last one to it as a beginner's guide. It'd be a bit of a mission to get it done, but it'd save a lot of time and forum space down the line.

There was some talk about this earlier and Admin itself made some noises that it was going to have some zone for this in major threads. I agree it would be useful for everyone, even Admin, even if it slowly got dated. Every city could have a kind of baseline lay of the lay land.

The local portals at least summarize the choices (admittedly in German)-there are several; I find Berlin Intim the most useful, as I said. At least this gets updated constantly, and has links to all flats and girls, with a pretty sophisticated search engine, etc.

However it would be very tough to improve upon the old Angus Berlin offerings (certainly for the effort involved) and so the alternative could be ......resurrection. I for one wish he was still posting.

Otherwise, Bobo could surely do it, as he is halfway on the mission as it is???

[Charlie 123]

Yep. It's a case where too much information equals no information IMHO. If it was possible to have some initial posts (not flowing chronologically with the other reports) that contained all the basic stuff or links it would be great.

Perhaps it's time somebody wrote an essay on the basic scene in Berlin. FKK, Bordelles, gangbangs, Kinos, escort agencies. We could then post it in the Reports of Distinction, and refer all newbie callers like the last one to it as a beginner's guide. It'd be a bit of a mission to get it done, but it'd save a lot of time and forum space down the line.

Angus did an exercise of this sort about 4 years ago, breaking down his report into various sections, but it's somewhat out of date now. However Angus and his encyclopedic knowledge have left this arena, and we'd probably have to do a conglomerate effort now to get the job done.

Wanking is our number 1 man for the gangbang scene I believe, RB could probably cover several sections on his own, Kimino as Capo of the Social Committee can distribute the assignments to the most suitable members of the board and I'm just about qualified these days to check the punctuation and spelling at the end.

C123.