Bangkok Reports

[Model Chaser]

How were gogos 20 years ago? Don't tell me they were full of stunners wall-to-wall?

Though it's hard to believe they were. 20, 25 years ago the average girl in the gogos was gorgeous. At least 50-75% were what we call stunners today and allmost all were very attractive by todays standards.

If you can get into one of the higher end Japanese oriented bars you'll still see this; they are full of beauties. The real deal is that the Thai's are keeping the best for themselves now days, and there are a lot more venues now so the available talent is spread more thinly on the ground.

The upcountry and Thai only places are packed with gorgeous, sweet lovelies. They move the girls into the farang venues if or when they aren't profitable in their own places. If you go with a Thai friend to a place in Sukhothai or Khorat the girls are almost all drop dead gorgeous.

Errr what? Well, for one thing I am glad you were busy gathering empirical data 25yrs ago so that you could shed your wisdom on these forums in the 21st century.

From the few pictures I've seen of bargirls from the 80s and 90s, fashion trends aside, they don't look much different from the bargirls in photos taken more recently.

My first time to BKK was in 2006 and the last was in 2011. I've always had the sense that there were stunners to be had (and for me that equates to a leggy, hardbody runway type) during this time period. Comments that these bars were chock full of stunners in the 80s is just a silly, baseless comment. I suppose back then there were no Thai or Japanese only places to scoop up all the beauties, or did a plague of butt-ugliness sweep through the country twenty years ago?

Likely 20 years of exposure has made you jaded, which is entirely understandable.

[Mooris7]

Now that all the hot girl in Thailand are taken, where should one go to? Indonesia? Cambodia? Philippines? Africa?

LOL you guys make me laugh and laugh every time I log on. I hope and hope to find useful reports. First BKK water, then flowers, always the price issue, and now all the girls in BKK are dogs LOL. Ok enough LOL. Jackson shut down the Thailand forum, Bangkok is no longer a good place to monger. Prices are too high, you can't drink the tap water, can't find a decent orchid (that one is my favorite) , taxis are too expensive, the girls are ugly, they are all from Issan, Nana plaza is a dump, too many lady boys, Go go's are a rip off, too many Indians selling fake watches, Thermae closed its doors and reopened in Japan, the Japanese and myself pay too much to the girls driving prices up, and oh I can't forget the flood that will come every year! Why do you all come here to visit and live if you complain so much?

Ok my report from the land of hell. I went to Barraca again, my favorite Soi Cowboy bar, line up always spectacular. There was a special show with five girls downstairs who all got completely naked on stage, normally only topless upstairs. A fair skinned beauty with long black hair caught my eye. Beautiful pussy and nice 36 see breasts. After her show I quickly moved to intercept her as she was going back upstairs to change her clothes. She agrees to have a drink with me when she finished changing. After the mandatory two drink and bar fine rule we were off to my condo. Ok boys don't faint now but we agreed 4000LT. Well I I have to say is what a fuck! All positions available, DATY, BBBJ, anal, tit fucking, what a total GFE / PSE rolled into one. I did not let her go until the next day at 6pm. We spent all night and next day fucking, sucking, eating, drinking, napping and so on. Oh fuck she turned out to be from Issan, I better go back and ask for a refund ha ha. I have added her to my list of regulars. I don't plan on divulging her Baccara number since she will turn her head at you all when you offer her 1500 LT LOL. I don`t want her to run back home anytime soon. But none of you would be interested anyways I think, LOL.

[Syzygies]

But I've been in Asia for a long while so maybe I'm better at estimating age. Schoolgirl uniforms etc don't fool me.

The bar staff tell me the true ages when I ask, because know me for years. I don't have to rely on estimation.

[Goatscrot]

I think that is one of the reasons certainly. Though it is clearly difficult to measure in any methodical provable way, but most guys, including myself that I talk to who have been coming to Thailand for over ten years feel there has been a real very obvious decline in the quaility of working women in Thailand. In fact, I'd posit that the working women are some of the least attractive women in Thailand with their hard faces, tattoos and increasingly man-made breasts and noses. Go to Terminal 21 or Siam and you will see more good looking girls in an hour than you will see in days of trolling through the go-go bars. I am honestly shocked at times at the low quaility on stage in go-gos these days.

I think the improvement in the economy is the main reason and that can be seen primarily in the lack of geographical diversification of the girls available. When I first hit Bangkok in the early 90's, it was as likely for a girl to tell me she was from Chiang Mai or Bangkok as to tell me Issan. Now I am taken aback if a girl is not from Issan. When Issan starts getting wealthier as it is doing, we will really be getting the riff-raff.

Another factor is that the birth rate in Thailand like nearly everywhere else is dramatically declining thus providing a smaller pool of women.

Also, Globalization has effected the supply of Thai girls on two fronts. Back in the 90's nearly all the sex toruists were from Western countries or Japan. Now a huge pct are from the BRIC countries and from eastern Europe. With so many more lonely sexually frustrated guys coming to Thailand it only makes sense that more and more girls, esp. The good looking ones, are being either sponsored or are marrying thus taking them out of the market. Another aspect of Globalization is that many of these girls have figured out that they can make a lot more money outside of Thailand than here. Nearly every girl I know who has been around for a few years has had a stint in Singapore, Hong Kong or in Europe. Was talking with a girl 2 days ago who works primarily out of Switzerland. She charges guys the equivalent of 3, 200 baht for 20 minutes. Doing guys here for 1500 or 2000 baht for as long as they take just seems silly to her.

A lot of girls are now Escort girls charging 5000 baht for short time. There are hundreds of them doing this. So ya, they are still in the market but aimed at a business clientele who don't know better.

I think some of these factors have effected the freelance girls more than the go-go girls but both are in decline. Finding an attractive freelancer these days is a Herculean task and please don't tell me about the great looking girls at Nana Parking Lot, Gullivers or at the Beergarden. They reek of decay. And when I go looking in go-gos I am amazed at how average to ugly most of the girls are with most go-gos having at most a few decent looking ones. And as we have read here recently, most of those are of an age that it is best to avoid.

Agree with all that you state in your post. As a 12 year resident, I can say that the talent level in the Sukhumvit area has been on a decline for a few years. Now that decline is geometric. Much has to do with the low unemployment rate and the rising wages in Thailand. Globalization, the internet, and the increasing horror of women from fully developed countries. It is no longer an inexpensive scene and will never be again. Great looking women know their value! Pandora's box is open.

[PinkPearl]

I think some of these factors have effected the freelance girls more than the go-go girls but both are in decline. Finding an attractive freelancer these days is a Herculean task and please don't tell me about the great looking girls at Nana Parking Lot, Gullivers or at the Beergarden. They reek of decay. And when I go looking in go-gos I am amazed at how average to ugly most of the girls are with most go-gos having at most a few decent looking ones. And as we have read here recently, most of those are of an age that it is best to avoid.

For years here I've read many disparaging comments like yours about the Nana Car Park (NCP) & have responded accordingly. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example, most of the pics in the photo thread, even those that claim to be attractive, hot or stunners, I wouldn't go with if they paid me.

That being said, however, I haven't seen a decline in quality in the Nana Car Park since 2007. The price is generally the same, namely 1000 Baht ST. The looks are still there. The service is, if anything, better. Overall my experience certainly is. Last year I was amazed at the bodies of some of those I picked up. This year I haven't got out a lot, as I have my regulars I call but, from my observations, the numbers seem to be down for the evening workers, but up for the daytime. Some girls are also working the street nearby. Or indoors at bars & places like the Beergarden on soi 7. These changes are, I think, at least in part to avoid the LE raids to fine them (pocket) 1000 baht a head. As usual there is always the fresh meat; the new kids in town, from Bumfuck Isaarn. Last year, before the floods, when I paid a couple visits to Rainbow 4 in NEP, the lineup on the streets was better IMO. Also, of course, much cheaper, & probably better service & attitude as well.

[PinkPearl]

If get bar-fined by someone undesirable, they can claim its their period, and no fucking. My current favourite bar-girl works like this.

The way I work is if I don't want to see a P4P TG regular who's been hounding me with 30 calls & 10 text messages before I even wake up & check my phone, I can tell her:

1) Sorry, today I go crocodile farm, golfing & sick buffalo hospital.

2) Little brother tired, not feeling well, tell me he want to see doctor.

3) Me broke. Chalkwow today, save money.

Then, of course, I call up another of my regulars to tap that fresh young shrimp.

[Dash Riprock]

Why avoid Nataree?

As mentioned, because they aren't quite legal regarding the topic at hand.

[Wolvenvacht]

At Windmill in Pattaya, customers may participate in fisting a girl's pussy & ass, watch darts being shot from a girl's pussy, & fuck a girl with a banana. Respectfully, will anyone please tell me which bars in Soi Cowboy, Nana, or Patpong have the raunchy shows like Windmill in Pattaya and when is the best time to go?

Long Gun in Soi Cowboy (early right hand side when coming from Asoke) has some raunchy "pussy" shows, but I did not see any visitor interaction. In Suzie Wong (halfway on the right hand side when coming from Asoke) I once licked (briefly) a dancer's pussy on stage, but that was already exceptional. Last I was in Suzie Wong they started to have some "pussy" shows but still pretty tame: puling strings of flowers or ribbons from their pussies, nothing more wild. They do have some girl-on-girl action on stage.

Don't go to Patpong. It is for clueless tourists only. Much is promised by the touts on the street, few is delivered upstairs in the grimy clubs. The only thing they are good in is inflating your bin and emptying your wallet.

Bangkok isn't Pattaya!

[Wolvenvacht]

now that all the hot girl in thailand are taken, where should one go to? indonesia? cambodia? philippines? africa?

hehe, good i made one my own then before supplies ran out.

end of april i will take a trip to laos with my thai tirac. there will be no need to sample the local fauna, but i will keep my eyes peeled and report.

[Tony Hoeprano]

Now that all the hot girl in Thailand are taken, where should one go to? Indonesia? Cambodia? Philippines? Africa?

[Konaman]

I don't believe this at all.

If anything, I suspect they were a bit rougher looking.

I'll vouch for Gentleboner's statement. My mongering days in Thailand were in the 80s and early 90s. Boy were the girls great then. You were always spoilt for choice. Yes, there were ugly ones too, perhaps 2-3 per bar? I guess it's the opposite now.

[Sushilover808]

I just finished a week in Pattaya and I posted many reports & pictures. I am now in BKK entertaining friends. Tonight we went to Spanky's, Angelwitch, & Carnival for their spanking, great shows, & mechanical bull respectively. I am not as familiar with BBK bars as I am with the Pattaya scene.

At Windmill in Pattaya, customers may participate in fisting a girl's pussy & ass, watch darts being shot from a girl's pussy, & fuck a girl with a banana. Respectfully, will anyone please tell me which bars in Soi Cowboy, Nana, or Patpong have the raunchy shows like Windmill in Pattaya and when is the best time to go?

Please don't RTFF me as I have paid forward with many posts about what I did in Pattaya.

[Chill Out]

If you go with a Thai friend to a place in Sukhothai or Khorat the girls are almost all drop dead gorgeous.

I'll keep that in mind!

I surprised you haven't seen excessively young looking girls. Plenty of Cowboy bars have them. Not sure if Baccara allows it though.

I've seen girls where I would be like: 'she looks kind of young, maybe 18-19. '

But never: 'holy shit is she 14? WTF? '

But I've been in Asia for a long while so maybe I'm better at estimating age. Schoolgirl uniforms etc don't fool me.

[GentleBoner]

Though it's hard to believe they were. 20, 25 years ago the average girl in the gogos was gorgeous. At least 50-75% were what we call stunners today and allmost all were very attractive by todays standards.

I don't believe this at all.

If anything, I suspect they were a bit rougher looking.

[Amjeck]

Nataree is a place to avoid for the reasons mentioned.

Why avoid Nataree?