FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[Sirioja]

So true, but since many men are weak, the accept willingly the price increase. If most men would refuse, the girls will adopt accordingly. In clubs where there are strict pricing rules (like in Babylon, RTCs, Globe, etc), a girl who bends the (pricing) rules too much, will be sent home. And yes, I rather pay the standard price of 140 CHF in Globe, and do NOT to have to negotiate with a girl, then have a nasty discussion with a girl in Sharks about 50 euro extra above the standard price. SO I don't care about the absolute price perse, but about having clear standard rules and pricing, to avoid any golddigger and princess bahviour (as commonly seen in Sharks, Oase, etc). And yes, of course the girls are "independent workers", but that is only true for the law as most of you guys know 😎.

That's what I ment with tourist traps: in clubs with many (overseas) tourists, who were used to pay US $ 100 for only a lousy lapdance, they are willing to pay Euro 200 or more for sex, understandable. But it is one of the reasons many (larger) clubs in Germany the (service) quality of the girls decreased rapidly and the price increased. When ALL men would not accept this, the club would be empty, but a pity the flesh is weak.

Not many US or Asians in Hessen on 2021. What about paying 150/60 for a prettier and more fresh in bed girl than most Globe girls when you pay 260/60 for them? I don't care about Globe or Sharks, I just judge the girl level, but of course I m very happy I got a more elegant natural than Globe girls now for 100/60 for full GFE.

[Maxime]

If every man does that, their union won't last long. They need your money more than you need their services.

Blame the meddling politicos for enabling these greedy tutes! With the change in the law requiring CBJs, the standard price shot up immediately to 150 euros per hour. If you want a BBBJ, then this is what you must pay. The only way it could have been avoided is if mongers refused en masse, but they did not. Instead, they were weak and paid up! This is the reality.

So true, but since many men are weak, the accept willingly the price increase. If most men would refuse, the girls will adopt accordingly. In clubs where there are strict pricing rules (like in Babylon, RTCs, Globe, etc), a girl who bends the (pricing) rules too much, will be sent home. And yes, I rather pay the standard price of 140 CHF in Globe, and do NOT to have to negotiate with a girl, then have a nasty discussion with a girl in Sharks about 50 euro extra above the standard price. SO I don't care about the absolute price perse, but about having clear standard rules and pricing, to avoid any golddigger and princess bahviour (as commonly seen in Sharks, Oase, etc). And yes, of course the girls are "independent workers", but that is only true for the law as most of you guys know 😎.

I don't disagree but then you must factor tourist value into that equation. If every local person who frequents in Germany did that maybe you would see them reduce. But the notion that someone (like me) funds flights, hotels, taxis, entrance fees, etc for a 3-5 day trip, costing well over 1500, is going to risk not having a single room other than with unattractive older or overweight girls, just to lend support to paying 100/60, is, respectfully, fanciful, and unrealistic. By the time a tourist has invested time, travel, these days the long list of administrative burdens, documents, locator forms, vaccination certificates, Mr tourist wants to have his monies worth and a lot of fun with pretty girls. And therefore making a hardened stance is just not worth it. I'm all for not paying over the top, and always negotiate, but without risking losing a room with a girl I really like. And then spending months if not longer wandering what she would have been like, and wishing I had been more willing to pay. I have been in that boat. Not nice and I now ensure I avoid it. If that means paying a bit more, so be it.

That's what I ment with tourist traps: in clubs with many (overseas) tourists, who were used to pay US $ 100 for only a lousy lapdance, they are willing to pay Euro 200 or more for sex, understandable. But it is one of the reasons many (larger) clubs in Germany the (service) quality of the girls decreased rapidly and the price increased. When ALL men would not accept this, the club would be empty, but a pity the flesh is weak.

[Sirioja]

I've shared many of the same regulars as you such as GT Kate, Globe Kate, Megan, Ariana, Katea etc. Kity was fine. So my tastes are just on par with your standards. Some of us are just able to find great features in more than the same old rigid expectations day in and day out.

Want to pay 150/ HR, go to Amsterdam windows.

Had many 100/60 good rooms on this Summer, even with German Daisi who was not the prettiest nor best in bed. Only 1 for 150 and I judged she did worth, compare to tattooed brunette close to German table and restaurant, or long time Cosmina, not same fresh look. Will You be at bottom of Verbier on Saturday? Or I have more interesting and difficult Mortirolo and Loze to be faster than 3 times world champion Sagan. After 3 Stelvio on last week end, body is a bit tired, but no anemia like on last Summer and passion is growing, I want my 25 highest ranked in 2 months for my great Summer. And my belly is so much better now.

[Mursenary]

With respect, you need to seriously get in line with the true prices in Spain. Which you quote as a comparator. I have been in Madrid, Malaga, Fuengirola and Campamento in the past 6 weeks. Madrid. Club Vive. No entry fee. Price of a drink for the girl in the bar. Minimum 50 euros. Take her to the room - 30 minutes not possible. Minimum

I've only been to Prague once but thought the options were poor so did not return.

Amsterdam is a dangerous city. There is a whole network of thieves praying on guys who are not paying attention to their pockets / bags / money whilst looking in windows. Not the best environment.

Overall, the whole FKK experience is not spoiled by prices going to 150/ hour which still represents decent value against other European (not Asian) options.

Difference of opinion regarding what the FKK experience is meant to be. They were set up as fuck fest establishments meant for fucking freely. That entails a large quantity of fucks under one roof. By raising the price to match outside vendors (the incall girl down the street for 150 e) well that defeats the point of an FKK sauna club and certainly take away from the true FKK experience.

So to my original point, incall / outcall rates should remain there and brothel rates should remain in the brothel range. Increase to 60/ half or 120/ HR to make up for inflation sure, but a club girl charging the same rate as an incall girl is absurd.

I've never mongered in those Spanish clubs so I'll plead ignorance and.

Take your word that those are the prices. But incalls in Spain are 150/ HR with girls who are above average FKK quality.

ShowPark in Prague rates are about 100 to 150 e per session and is set up like an indoor Amsterdam De Wallen. Quality is above average FKK quality.

If one feels comfortable enough to explore Frankfurt RLD buildings, De Wallen in Amsterdam is plenty safe. Then there are non-tourist RLDs like the Jordaan and Ruysdaelkade where you shouldn't see any thieves at all.

[PayForIt]

160 to 280 seems to be too steep of an increase over such a short period. Is there a historical precedent? Many older Germans used to tell me how Czech Rep back in the mid-1990's was a monger paradise. But I would say with the Czech Rep, the entire country as a whole became wealthier. I do not believe that to be the case in Spain. Perhaps sites like onlyfans are to blame?

If we look at the German forums, we can see that the Offenbach agency Meine Perlen was charging 150 EUR per hour back in 2013. Some reports from summer 2021 suggest that Meine Perlen continues to charge 150 per hour. If Meine Perlen had adopted a 50 percent increase like Sharks, then we should be expecting them to charge 225 EUR per hour. Offenbach is only a 25 minute drive from Sharks. If prices in other areas of the local P6 market are not increasing, I cannot see how Sharks can increase its unofficial pricing and not lose its customer base like what is already being reported at Palace, Oase, Mainhattan. And as you and Arnold15 have reported, there has already been a slight (hopefully permanent) market correction at Mainhattan.

So I would say the value would be with privates in the vicinity of the FKK clubs, if one has the time, and is willing to suffer through the occasional bait-and-switch. But if more mongers migrate to privates, then we should see more field reports. With privates, field reports are more of an absolute requirement. With FKK, you can just show up, observe her at the money locker and strike up a conversation with a regular, and obviously see her in person, as opposed to doctored photos.

Your knowledge of those forums is far more superior to mine. But I doubt people will move to privates. For the reasons you provide. The fabulous choice in the flesh instead of bait and switch. And the rationale above about Sharks losing its customer base. Sorry - that is not happening. Just think of this. Out of the four clubs I visited this weekend, the worst on pricing was undoubtedly Sharks with some girls making crazy demands (Oase was not a long way behind though). And which of those four clubs was busiest with most men. You guessed it. Sharks - the most expensive club. The acid test is the line up. If the girls are pretty enough, the boys will come. With their cash and ready to spend it. Been proven many times over and very much what has happened in Madrid and Malaga in the last 12 months.

[PayForIt]

If every man does that, their union won't last long. They need your money more than you need their services.

I don't disagree but then you must factor tourist value into that equation. If every local person who frequents in Germany did that maybe you would see them reduce. But the notion that someone (like me) funds flights, hotels, taxis, entrance fees, etc for a 3-5 day trip, costing well over €1500, is going to risk not having a single room other than with unattractive older or overweight girls, just to lend support to paying 100/60, is, respectfully, fanciful, and unrealistic. By the time a tourist has invested time, travel, these days the long list of administrative burdens, documents, locator forms, vaccination certificates, Mr tourist wants to have his monies worth and a lot of fun with pretty girls. And therefore making a hardened stance is just not worth it. I'm all for not paying over the top, and always negotiate, but without risking losing a room with a girl I really like. And then spending months if not longer wandering what she would have been like, and wishing I had been more willing to pay. I have been in that boat. Not nice and I now ensure I avoid it. If that means paying a bit more, so be it.

[McAdonis]

Three years ago it was 160/ hour. Now it is standard 250/ hour PLUS 30 euros for sheets for the bed! It's possible to negotiate 400/ hour. Only in E92 in Carajval is the price 150/ hour.

160 to 280 seems to be too steep of an increase over such a short period. Is there a historical precedent? Many older Germans used to tell me how Czech Rep back in the mid-1990's was a monger paradise. But I would say with the Czech Rep, the entire country as a whole became wealthier. I do not believe that to be the case in Spain. Perhaps sites like onlyfans are to blame?

Overall, the whole FKK experience is not spoiled by prices going to 150/ hour which still represents decent value against other European (not Asian) options.

If we look at the German forums, we can see that the Offenbach agency Meine Perlen was charging 150 EUR per hour back in 2013. Some reports from summer 2021 suggest that Meine Perlen continues to charge 150 per hour. If Meine Perlen had adopted a 50 percent increase like Sharks, then we should be expecting them to charge 225 EUR per hour. Offenbach is only a 25 minute drive from Sharks. If prices in other areas of the local P6 market are not increasing, I cannot see how Sharks can increase its unofficial pricing and not lose its customer base like what is already being reported at Palace, Oase, Mainhattan. And as you and Arnold15 have reported, there has already been a slight (hopefully permanent) market correction at Mainhattan.

So I would say the value would be with privates in the vicinity of the FKK clubs, if one has the time, and is willing to suffer through the occasional bait-and-switch. But if more mongers migrate to privates, then we should see more field reports. With privates, field reports are more of an absolute requirement. With FKK, you can just show up, observe her at the money locker and strike up a conversation with a regular, and obviously see her in person, as opposed to doctored photos.

[BigBuddy69]

When you say "do yourself a favour" I can tell you that had I told every girl in Oase "NO I will not pay more than 100/60" I would not have been doing my dick a favour as the girls have banded together and have largely agreed its 150/60. That might be "unofficial" but to the girls its official. Whilst tourist trap clubs have closed? I am not aware of any.

If every man does that, their union won't last long. They need your money more than you need their services.

[Sirioja]

When you say "do yourself a favour" I can tell you that had I told every girl in Oase "NO I will not pay more than 100/60" I would not have been doing my dick a favour as the girls have banded together and have largely agreed its 150/60. That might be "unofficial" but to the girls its official. Whilst tourist trap clubs have closed? I am not aware of any.

Prices of goods and services change. I recall only too vividly the golden days of Samya when it was 50/30 then 25 euros for every extra 30 minutes. A total joy. But they changed it. Any guy then demanding a return to the old price would never have gotten a session.

Trap or not, its the new price. There are some unattractive girls who will offer 50/30 just to get their day rate. I don't want unattractive girls. I see nothing wrong with supply and demand. The better girls can charge more, the less pretty charge less and mongers choose what they want to pay. Simple. Prices all over Europe are increasing. They have gone up a lot in some parts of Spain (Madrid / Vive, Malaga / Scandalos). Germany is not exempt from economics. As happens I did manage to get Carla for 100/60 as you will have read from my report. But to "do myself a favour" (and others) had I needed to pay the 150 I would have done so. There is doing everyone a favour and then there is ignoring reality. Which is that in the main, prices have increased. Pain in the ass, but true and the number of guys demanding a return to the old pricing won't force it down. When Artemis went from 50/30 to 60/30 there was outcry. Now its 70/30 and BBBJ is 20 extra. Take it or leave it. And not too many leave it. As reported, Mainhattan is still at the old prices. Palace, Sharks and Oase mainly are not. And there is technically no "official" price. After the Artemis silly raid, the clubs are keen to prove that the girls are self-employed. As such, the club cannot force the prices on the girls..

I'm happy for you if you enjoyed your short tour. Better than CDS? I let grocery to others when I hate to speak about money with girls, I m just free to judge if worth or not.

[The Cane]

When you say "do yourself a favour" I can tell you that had I told every girl in Oase "NO I will not pay more than 100/60" I would not have been doing my dick a favour as the girls have banded together and have largely agreed its 150/60. That might be "unofficial" but to the girls its official. Whilst tourist trap clubs have closed? I am not aware of any. Prices of goods and services change. I recall only too vividly the golden days of Samya when it was 50/30 then 25 euros for every extra 30 minutes. A total joy. But they changed it. Any guy then demanding a return to the old price would never have gotten a session. Trap or not, its the new price. They are now mainly choosing to charge 150/ hour. For anyone unwilling to pay. Don't go.

Blame the meddling politicos for enabling these greedy tutes! With the change in the law requiring CBJs, the standard price shot up immediately to 150 euros per hour. If you want a BBBJ, then this is what you must pay. The only way it could have been avoided is if mongers refused en masse, but they did not. Instead, they were weak and paid up! This is the reality.

[PayForIt]

Accepting paying 150/ HR in the clubs while also paying entry doesn't make much sense to me considering you can get these same girls for 150 incall service or for that same rate at other types of venues throughout Europe without the substantially higher FKK entry costs.

At 150/ HR, guys willing to accept that rate would be better off window shopping in Amsterdam or going to ShowPark in Prague. An FKK's appeal has always been a large selection under one roof for a bargain price. Take away the price advantage and are people choosing to visit boring, uptight Germany over relaxed Spain, Netherlands, or Czech Republic?

If you're okay with these higher prices for FKK quality WGs, I think it's time to pause and evaluate if you're making the best purchase decision when you compare those rates to other options in the mongering world.

With respect, you need to seriously get in line with the true prices in Spain. Which you quote as a comparator. I have been in Madrid, Malaga, Fuengirola and Campamento in the past 6 weeks. Madrid. Club Vive. No entry fee. Price of a drink for the girl in the bar. Minimum 50 euros. Take her to the room - 30 minutes not possible. Minimum one hour for 260. Miladys Palace Puerto Banus Marbella - 300/ hour and has been that way for over 10 years. Scandalos in Malaga. Three years ago it was 160/ hour. Now it is standard 250/ hour PLUS 30 euros for sheets for the bed! It's possible to negotiate 400/ hour. Only in E92 in Carajval is the price 150/ hour. Glass Palace Estepona - 200/ hour. London. Escort agencies. Leaving aside the very real possibly of bait and switch (girl looks stunning on website and arrives looking fatter and nothing like the girl in the pictures) prices start at 150 but more commonly now £200 or £300 for an hour.

I've only been to Prague once but thought the options were poor so did not return.

Amsterdam is a dangerous city. There is a whole network of thieves praying on guys who are not paying attention to their pockets / bags / money whilst looking in windows. Not the best environment.

FKK still represents the best mongering I've had (and I travel a lot including outside Europe). Ok the entry fee is there. But last Saturday I paid 50 e to enter Oase. Whilst I don't like the food there it is included, the facilities / pool / gardens / sauna / jacuzzi / professional massage (and I love the gym at Artemis and wish more FKKs had them)/ kino etc. You do not get any of those things in London / Spain / Amsterdam. No entry fee but nothing other than in, select from the parade, fuck and out. Overall, the whole FKK experience is not spoiled by prices going to 150/ hour which still represents decent value against other European (not Asian) options.

[PayForIt]

This is exactly the reason these tourist trap clubs go down the drain: as long as men accept paying more then the regular rate (50/30 or 100/60 minutes, including DFK an BBBJ), it will never go back to normal. If they change the offical rate to 100/30 150/60 ok, but as long as this is not the case, do yourself and other fellow mongers a favour and don't step into this Rumanian greedy sharks (trap!

When you say "do yourself a favour" I can tell you that had I told every girl in Oase "NO I will not pay more than 100/60" I would not have been doing my dick a favour as the girls have banded together and have largely agreed its 150/60. That might be "unofficial" but to the girls its official. Whilst tourist trap clubs have closed? I am not aware of any.

Prices of goods and services change. I recall only too vividly the golden days of Samya when it was 50/30 then 25 euros for every extra 30 minutes. A total joy. But they changed it. Any guy then demanding a return to the old price would never have gotten a session.

Trap or not, its the new price. There are some unattractive girls who will offer 50/30 just to get their day rate. I don't want unattractive girls. I see nothing wrong with supply and demand. The better girls can charge more, the less pretty charge less and mongers choose what they want to pay. Simple. Prices all over Europe are increasing. They have gone up a lot in some parts of Spain (Madrid / Vive, Malaga / Scandalos). Germany is not exempt from economics. As happens I did manage to get Carla for 100/60 as you will have read from my report. But to "do myself a favour" (and others) had I needed to pay the 150 I would have done so. There is doing everyone a favour and then there is ignoring reality. Which is that in the main, prices have increased. Pain in the ass, but true and the number of guys demanding a return to the old pricing won't force it down. When Artemis went from 50/30 to 60/30 there was outcry. Now its 70/30 and BBBJ is 20 extra. Take it or leave it. And not too many leave it. As reported, Mainhattan is still at the old prices. Palace, Sharks and Oase mainly are not. And there is technically no "official" price. After the Artemis silly raid, the clubs are keen to prove that the girls are self-employed. As such, the club cannot force the prices on the girls. They are free to choose what they want to charge. They are now mainly choosing to charge 150/ hour. For anyone unwilling to pay. Don't go.

[Mursenary]

But you don't go with the prettiest and most impressive looks who can deserve to pay more expensive rather than 50/30 for average looks. Beauties are always less expensive and better for me. More motivating.

I've shared many of the same regulars as you such as GT Kate, Globe Kate, Megan, Ariana, Katea etc. Kity was fine. So my tastes are just on par with your standards. Some of us are just able to find great features in more than the same old rigid expectations day in and day out.

Want to pay 150/ HR, go to Amsterdam windows.

[BigBuddy69]

Accepting paying 150/ HR in the clubs while also paying entry doesn't make much sense to me considering you can get these same girls for 150 incall service or for that same rate at other types of venues throughout Europe without the substantially higher FKK entry costs.

Pussies and addicts are unable to say "no".

[Sirioja]

Accepting paying 150/ HR in the clubs while also paying entry doesn't make much sense to me considering you can get these same girls for 150 incall service or for that same rate at other types of venues throughout Europe without the substantially higher FKK entry costs.

At 150/ HR, guys willing to accept that rate would be better off window shopping in Amsterdam or going to ShowPark in Prague. An FKK's appeal has always been a large selection under one roof for a bargain price. Take away the price advantage and are people choosing to visit boring, uptight Germany over relaxed Spain, Netherlands, or Czech Republic?

If you're okay with these higher prices for FKK quality WGs, I think it's time to pause and evaluate if you're making the best purchase decision when you compare those rates to other options in the mongering world.

But you don't go with the prettiest and most impressive looks who can deserve to pay more expensive rather than 50/30 for average looks. Beauties are always less expensive and better for me. More motivating.