Manila

[Starchild2012]

"Few more days to decide and then I'm packing my bags to Thailand and spend rest of my money away. Where I know already that. I will be treated like a trash because of being Indian. So I will be much more careful there. Adios Amigos."

Starchild,

I know that your post was a vent resulting from a confluence of hassles. I don't think I can add anything substantive to the very sage advice given by GE and Surfer in regards to the Phils. My questions to you is why do you want to spend your hard earned money in a place where you're treated like trash? Big deal some putas in the Phils and Thailand do not care for Indians. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find mongering destinations in Asia and elsewhere where you will be treated with consideration and respect. Brazil is one that comes to mind, unless of course you like being treated like trash.

I had such a good time last trip, I could not see anything else. Guess. I will start looking at other destinations as well. Thanks.

Wow, sounds like it's pretty rough being a Hondu in Manila. I also had tears in my eyes while reading this hilarious report. Good luck in Thailand Swami.

Nope. I'm a Christian. But I hate to be a priest Swami is better.

Starchild, you need to smarten up. You sound like a total pussy. 'Tears in your eyes' etc. No real monger talks like that. Stop thinking and start fucking. Too bad this is cyberspace otherwise I'd throw my shoes at yah. A smelly pair too!

GE offers intelligent advice as always, but it comes from living there. But who the fuck wants to live there? Who the fuck wants to meet an upper class women? We got tons of them stateside. We're trying to get the fuck away from that shit, with the child support, the lawyers and alimony. No way. No fucking way. Thats why we come to the Phils. We're here to shoot loads. Bust nuts. Spread seed. To hell with western civilization. And I actually have to spell this out?

First job of a monger is to deplane with a hard cock. And spring into action. Forget 'we are the world'. Start humping and hoin'. Busting sphincters, massive loads deposited etc. When the trip is over, we go back to civilization and assume that false mantle of respectability. Some of us don't even do that. We get back and immediately get into cyber wars with charlatans like Surfer while we rebuild our bank accounts and get ready for the next trip. Shallow? Sure! Give a fuck? Nah! Predictable? Fuck yeah!

Don

I agree Don. I just lost it for a moment. Nothing has worked out as my last two trips. It was all exact opposite and the experience felt like what I carried from back home. I had great two trips and I had gone gaga over it in this forum. I'm just stepping it back and taking things slow now and being patient now. Thanks.

One thing I've learned after four trips to the Philippines is, never take the place seriously. This is adult Disneyland. You come, you pillage and you leave with good memories. No disrespect to expats, but the thought of me spending more than two weeks in the Philippines is unfathomable. I truly feel sorry for Filipinos who must live their entires lives in a shit-filled, hopeless, corrupt country.

Aside from the sex and girls, one benefit of traveling there is that it makes me grateful for what I have in America, to be with friends, family and coworkers who aren't trying mooch off me or feign kindness for ulterior motive. It makes me appreciate technology and civilization. It even makes me appreciate my dead-end job. The women in my life in America may not be as pretty or fawn all over me, but I know if they like me, it's likely genuine and I can have a real emotional and intellectual connection with her. It's not just her tits and vagina.

Let's be honest here. Many guys go to the Philippines for love and sex because they have problems at home. Perhaps they lack social skills, they're workaholics, don't have a life, have no real friends, estranged from family, etc. They look to the Philippines as a substitute for their drab reality.

The truth is, no matter how bad your life is at home, it will likely be worse in the Philippines. The country is crap. India may be poorer (at least for now) , but I don't sense Indians being shady, corrupt, conniving, lazy or moochers. So enjoy the Philippines while you're there but don't go there to run away from your problems. Confront your problems instead.

Thanks for the advice. I have smartened up and patient now

[Starchild2012]

Starchild:

While I feel your pain I think it's probably an overreaction to the sudden concantenation of recent, unpleasant experiences. There are a few things I can suggest that might change your perspective somewhat:

1. Stop comparing this place to India. First, your "India is poorer" assumption is incorrect by quite a wide margin. I forget the comparitive per capita GDP figures, but it's not even close. The fact is that India, for all its problems, is a country with a rapidly expanding economy and it's clearly moving in the right direction. Relative to other SE Asian economies, the only direction this place moves is down;

2. Find a better class of women with whom to hang out and stop worrying about getting laid the first time you lay eyes on them. Cultivate some actual relationships with ladies who appeal to you and whom you meet in stores, in malls, in "normal" clubs, at restaurants or wherever. While you're cultivating these relationships, go to MBC to get laid; no muss, no fuss, and the price is well-established;

3. Remember that Manila is hardly representative of the country. Get out and explore some other places-come to Davao for a while, or CDO, of Cebu or wherever you want. Read the board and pick a place that sounds interesting and go there. The prices will be lower, the ladies just as fine (and with lower expectations by and large) , the air will be fresher, and the people in general will be nicer.

4. Remember that you're going through a predictable cycle. This place is neither as edenic as it appeared during your first trip, not as deplorable as it seems now. The truth is much more balanced and more nuanced.

5. Though the native cuisine here is the worst I've seen outside of the UK, there are plenty of very good restaurants in Manila, and especially in Makati. Granted I've never had decent Chinese food here, but I've had wonderful Italian, French and Thai cuisine albeit in fairly upscale restaurants.

6. I don't know what kinds of places you're frequenting, but I can honestly say I've never been followed to a men's room, been given the check before I finished, or been treated with the suspicion that I might try to sneak away. Get yourself to a better class of establishment, and if you're not going to do that, then confront the guy who is giving you the early check or following you to the toilet, or whatever.

Take a deep breath and reassess, then start planning instead of merely reacting.

GE

Thanks for the tips GE. I have been following on your journey in the PH for over 7 years now, guess I just lost it for a while, being frustrated in India for two yrs without getting laid and momentarily, being snapped by the behaviors of some like back home. Yeah. I need to lock my heart away and toughen up. Guess I just need to be patient here.

SC: Listen to GE, the wise sage of the PI section of this board. As a general rule, the farther you get from Manila, the better it gets. People are friendlier, costs are lower, scammers less common, vendors less aggressive, taxis more honest etc etc etc. Certainly the air and water are cleaner and the depressing filth and stench of Ermita can be washed off.

There are LOADS of sweet Filipinas in the provinces that are honest and won't fleece you. Beware relying too much on the online dating sites; once you get out in the provinces, regular girls who work in shops (ie have jobs!) are a better target group to find a honeykothan those trolling online who are usually looking to make a Piso or two for their time. The best ones won't even have yahoo messenger or a cellphone! Expensive cellphone=trouble.

You are eating in the wrong places. You can eat very well in Manila. NOT Filipino food. EVER. No need.

Try to turn a negative into a positive, make lemonade out of sour lemons. Being asked to pay as you go avoids check padding which is a good thing! If you immediately pay for any order you will avoid the hurt feelings of them distrusting you.

And buying property in the PI is NOT a wise investment. NOTHING in the PI is a safe investment (even Smart and Globe may eventually face foreign competition).

The PI is a punters paradise, a place to spend money. Trying to earn it there is a risky proposition (unless you are the government business LOL).

So instead of dropping anchor in the most polluted harbor, and Subic is no better, set sail around the archipelago's more than 7, 000 islands. Scratch Luzon off your search zone entirely. Go South man, to Tamil Nadu (I mean Visayas LOL). First stop should be Leyte, the motherlode of GFE.

Yeah. I agree. I should have landed in Cebu, like before, one strike and you are out. I'm still planning to go to Cebu or stay here. I invested too many contacts in Manila. I'm still criss crossed. Thanks for the advice.

I agree your with assessment although it is disconcerting to see you have a change of heart after your posts from years ago were dare I say much more upbeat.

Pay no attention to the flip-floppers who will construct post after post about why you are wrong and overreacting when they themselves have posted similar rants in the past.

Thanks the hope. Buddy. I had too many craps going on back home and my mind just wanted to relax. The trip was bad from the start when I was picked at the airport in Mumbai as well as Manila. And I had real bad time getting a visa and add to that the immigration only put 14 days instead of 2 months. For that I have to go again to immigration to sort it out or rather pay up 7500 pesos. Plus I'm still searching for a condo now. Compared to last time when everything worked out perfectly.

Starchild,

I see the Illuminati frustrated your efforts to drain your precious bodily fluids. You have experienced great frustration and angst in your quest for sexual release. Now your senses are becoming more aware of the reality of searching for sex, love and companionship in one of the Third World's megacities. As in any gigantic slum, people tend to cast off the cloak of civility and revert to their animal nature. It's all about survival in the jungle of poverty. Filipinas are possibly the world's most predatory women. The sweetness and docile loving demeanor are all an act to draw your wallet within striking range. Never let your heart get into it. When you show kindness and charity they see it as weakness. Many foreign men visiting and residing on a long term basis have learned to limit interaction with the local population. Others deal with the Filipinas by giving them nothing more than cash for ass. They make it through the sea of lies and deceit by keeping a cold heart and a hard dick. The more ruthless ones go native and use the girls' tactics against them. In other words, they promise them whatever it takes to fill all of their orifices with sperm then seem to mysteriously vanish without any of the promises materializing.

When asked why many of their countrywomen have no shame in asking foreign men for cash, Filipinas often reply it is because they do not respect foreigners and think that they can be easily fooled. So, there you go. Open up your wallet and be taken for a fool. Read Dragon Slayer's forum, you will see his post about a Filipina who actually blamed him for being foolish enough to send her money. The behavior goes beyond ingratitude. If they were only ungrateful for your charity it would not be so bad but being considered a fool for giving it to them in the first place is even worse.

Keep in mind that the holiday season is now here and Filipinas' predatory nature goes into overdrive to get money to buy those high priced consumer electronics way out of their income bracket. Most seasoned mongers disappear from the Philippines and online during this period of joyful fleecing. You might want to put your Indian entrepreneurial spirit to work and turn their intense greed for cash during this time to your advantage. You should bargain hard and go for short time release instead of the typical fake GFE. Since you've already expended unrecoverable cash in traveling to the Philippines perhaps you should try to salvage your trip first. However, I certainly wouldn't blame you if you decided to flee with what remains of your fleece.

You make legendary writes ups that just stirs my mind. You have read my mind. I was really frustrated in India and saved up the money to come to PH which could afford my income and lifestyle and here. It turns out. The only thing I came for. Was as illusive as back home. Yeah. I have decided to lock up my heart and be ruthless and unemotional as before. I just can't afford to let my guard down for a bit or I'm claimed. Yeah. I was also thinking about 5-6 for a while as anyay they think I'm that. Hehehehe. Yeah. I'm still confused where to take it from here. I had planned to stay for a year now. I'm planning for couple of months and spend it all and go back.

[X Man]

This makes a lot of sense and it answers a question I've long had. When you go to an overseas US military installation, they seem to make it into a little America. When in the military, I couldn't wait to get off the base in order to explore the country. Some guys would never make it past the on-base club! But I guess this type of "little America" system better suits the majority who may not be suited to living overseas. Thanks for the insight GE. X, happily living outside the "comfort zone"

It's difficult to disagree with the generalizations about this place expressed by several recent, highly articulate members of this illustrious forum. This is not, for many if not most foreigners, an easy place in which to live. The comments made by others however, reinforce a perception gleaned from years of living outside of my own country, and interacting, during that period with hundreds of expatriates. Perhaps my conclusion is erroneous, but I believe that most people-at least most Westerners-aren't comfortable living abroad. This is not meant as a derogatory comment, but as an attempt to share the perception that there's a certain, recognizable personality type who can thrive living in countries that are not their own, and that those without such personality characteristics get uncomfortable quickly if they remain too long outside of their comfort zone.

*snip*

GE

[Macho Dik]

Dear All,

Last night, myself are able to stay a bit longer in MBC, as I have a good time talking with a nice lady by the name of cherry. As we are talking, I have observed the following:

1) competition of MBC girls are too high, I have seen that some have been there for too long not being taken by the customers yet.

2) most of the customers only stay there buying drink and talking and mostly leaving without taken out any girls.

3) the MBC girls are not entertaining or at least avoiding nationals like their own compatriot and K*r**and. Why? After my interrogation, they told me that:

A) their own compatriot are too horny, sometimes wanted to have 2 shots or more during ST session. And they ask to do so many abnormal sex practices.

B) K*r** nationals: mostly don't. Honoured what they have been agreed. And after the deeds they try to bargain down prices.

(above is just what they told me 100% from those girls, so merely passing info but no offend to other person of the mentioned nationals)

4) the most welcome nationals to them is: J***n, because they pay good price to them.

5) I also have observed that those who has go for ST has come back to the shop for next customers.

6) there is still some mommies around. I wonder if the MBC management knows this. And normally, they bring nice cute girls going to the upstair for only J***n customers.

7) at late night, they will accept your price, they told me that it is better than nothing. As they are required to pay a cocktail drink for staying there. And I have seen there are 2 supervisors are chasing them to pay inorder to be able to stamped on their hand (like a passes) even to the extend they don't. have any guest. for them 90pesos is quite an amount of money.

Again, the above are only for your informations, nothing whatsoever to initiate some debate specially by those mentioned nationals, I mean not all peopl of the mentioned nationals are like that (I have replaced some letter with *)

Cheers,

MD

[Cunning Stunt]

Stop comparing this place to India. First, your "India is poorer" assumption is incorrect by quite a wide margin. I forget the comparitive per capita GDP figures, but it's not even close. The fact is that India, for all its problems, is a country with a rapidly expanding economy and it's clearly moving in the right direction. Relative to other SE Asian economies, the only direction this place moves is down;

Hahaha – I take you haven't been to India recently. Apart from some slight improvements in certain areas (such as restaurants and the infamous Indian bureaucracy) , the place is as third world and chaotic as you can get. If an Indian is moaning about the third worldliness of The Philippines then things must really be getting bad here or else he is having a laugh.

I reckon that in 10 years time, you won't be able to walk 10 yards without bumping into a horny young Indian man in places such as Pattaya and who knows, maybe Angeles. Take uncounted million repressed and sexually deprived males from a famously conservative country, where most females don't put out until they get a ring on their finger, and give them a little disposable income and cheap budget flights to pussy heaven and what do you get. Mass exodus. The writing is already on the wall. On my most recent trip to Pattaya, I was astonished at the numbers of Indians mooching around Beach Road and Walking Street trying to pull reluctant and unwilling girls. For unfortunately many exhibit the worse traits of lower caste Indians, namely aggressiveness, rudeness and uncouthness all of which are anathema to the Thais. And according to the girls they are also cheap and often none too clean. A recipe for disaster?

I suggest Starchild packs his cares and woes and takes his sorry ass off to Thailand, preferably Pattaya where his money will stretch further and he can let his libido off its leash to run wild and free amongst the lovelies there, that is provided he can catch one:D.

[Tally Wacker]

Starchild, you need to smarten up. You sound like a total pussy. 'Tears in your eyes' etc. No real monger talks like that. Stop thinking and start fucking. Too bad this is cyberspace otherwise I'd throw my shoes at yah. A smelly pair too!

GE offers intelligent advice as always, but it comes from living there. But who the fuck wants to live there? Who the fuck wants to meet an upper class women? We got tons of them stateside. We're trying to get the fuck away from that shit, with the child support, the lawyers and alimony. No way. No fucking way. Thats why we come to the Phils. We're here to shoot loads. Bust nuts. Spread seed. To hell with western civilization. And I actually have to spell this out?

First job of a monger is to deplane with a hard cock. And spring into action. Forget 'we are the world'. Start humping and hoin'. Busting sphincters, massive loads deposited etc. When the trip is over, we go back to civilization and assume that false mantle of respectability. Some of us don't even do that. We get back and immediately get into cyber wars with charlatans like Surfer while we rebuild our bank accounts and get ready for the next trip. Shallow? Sure! Give a fuck? Nah! Predictable? Fuck yeah!

Don

Dashing Don you sound like you've reached the age where you don't backdown from a challenge. The Philippines are a place where you know how to make things happen. So why whould you let erectile disfunction get in your way? Isn't it time you talked to your Doctor about your problem?

[GoodEnough]

It's difficult to disagree with the generalizations about this place expressed by several recent, highly articulate members of this illustrious forum. This is not, for many if not most foreigners, an easy place in which to live. The comments made by others however, reinforce a perception gleaned from years of living outside of my own country, and interacting, during that period with hundreds of expatriates. Perhaps my conclusion is erroneous, but I believe that most people-at least most Westerners-aren't comfortable living abroad. This is not meant as a derogatory comment, but as an attempt to share the perception that there's a certain, recognizable personality type who can thrive living in countries that are not their own, and that those without such personality characteristics get uncomfortable quickly if they remain too long outside of their comfort zone.

I'm in a business, or perhaps a sector in which expatriation is a condition of employment, and I've gotten to the point that I can usually accurately predict-when I meet idealistic younger people-who will survive and who won't; who has the "right" personality and who does not. Again, I'm not implying that those who are quite happy to live abroad are "better" than anyone else; just that it takes a different sort of personality to spend one's life as an expatriate. Those whose personalities do not conform to this pattern, will not remain happy long here as anything other than tourists. Those of us who have lived here for a while are not unaware of the corruption, inefficiency, scams, and general hopelessness of the place, but manage to thrive nonetheless both by accepting that we can't change anything fundamental, and by carving out a life for ourselves that we find satisfying. Succumbing to the anger and frustration that this country induces in many would doom many of us to a life of perpetual, or at least long-term unhappiness. Thus, many of us find ways of circumventing these feelings, at least most of the time.

GE

[Mahaba]

The posts of Gangles and Robb capture neatly the alpha and omega of living here: on the one hand, Gangles is correct, there's more freedom, less paranoia, less fear. On the other hand, Robb is correct in that in exchange for the increased freedom you must deal with astounding levels of corruptions, inefficiency, lack of adequate medical care and the rest of the conditions that make the third world the third world. Thailand, I think, comes closer to achieving a balance between the two extremes and the food is a hell of a lot better as well.

GE

I first went to the Philippines in 1976 as a young sailor and lived there nearly three years. I have returned several times since on vacations and plan another trip in February. It's a great place for a western tourist with a western salary, but it sucks to be a local.

It's great to visit as a tourist, but living there would be too much for me to handle. As far as I can tell, nothing has changed since 1976. Same corruption, inefficiency, frustrated youth, extreme poverty, walled-in homes with armed security guards, and long lines at the US Embassy. Getting a public sector employee to do anything requires a bribe, then you find yourself at the head of the line.

There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with the place. I think it may be a "corruption mentality" that pervades every element of society. For example in the 1980's Southeast Asia was doing pretty well with the exception of the Philippines. I recall a news article at the time that noted that the Philippines had managed to exclude itself from the prosperity the rest of the region was experiencing. Something that would have taken a lot of effort at the time.

Later on, the Philippine Government decided to play hardball with US military base lease renewal negotiations while we were closing bases in the USA. So the USA walked away from the table and gave them the land back. Shortly after the Clark Air Base closed, locals looted the only world-class fully equipped hospital in the country, stripping it bare. Subic fared a little better, as the Navy turned the place over a room at a time, fully inventoried and signed for. Mayor Gordon than posted security guards.

It is interesting that Filipinos residing in western countries are considered extremely hard-working, reliable people with excellent family values. So it's not the people per se causing the problem, it's the system they are forced to live with.

When I visit, I'm there for the women. Full stop. The cheap accommodation, cheap food, warm weather and visual effects help, but are not enough on their own for me to make the trip. The women however are fun to mix it up with and put on a good act, ever on the lookout for a 50-year old tourist, ready to believe he is the true love the 20-year old hostess and her entire extended family have been waiting for.

[GoodEnough]

The posts of Gangles and Robb capture neatly the alpha and omega of living here: on the one hand, Gangles is correct, there's more freedom, less paranoia, less fear. On the other hand, Robb is correct in that in exchange for the increased freedom you must deal with astounding levels of corruptions, inefficiency, lack of adequate medical care and the rest of the conditions that make the third world the third world. Thailand, I think, comes closer to achieving a balance between the two extremes and the food is a hell of a lot better as well.

GE

[Robbaf]

FF, I usually travel to the Phils for sporting reasons, and because of that, I get to meet quite a lot of expats who live there.

I make a point of asking them why they life in the Phils, (or Thailand, or Cambodia) , and the most common reason that I get is that they had to get away from the nanny state, which now intrudes into every part of their lives, and controls every action, including the most basic activities in everyday life.

And that is the reason why I am about to pack up and move to the Phils also.

Of course, without the total protection that you get in the nanny state, life can be a bit more risky. Maybe you will be ripped off here and there.

But at least inthe Phils you can enjoy a much higher level of freedom than in the average western country.

My country is now a police state. Try a simple experiment. Stand on any street corner in the downtown area of where you live. Over a periiod of say 4 hours, count the number of police that you see.

Now, do the same on any street corner in any city in the Phils. You will see many less.

And remember, a police officer is any person who has power of arrest, not just uniformed police.

In my country, people are very law abiding, but they abide by the law out of fear of being caught by the police, not out of any inherent sense of community, or responsibility.

In my country, every transaction that you make at a bank is monitored, every email is recorded and scanned, every phone call the same. Your life is not your own any more.

We are afrais of everything. Being fried with global warming, being over-run by illegal immigrants and refugees, the ever spreading threat of islam, destruction of the environment.

In asinn coun tries, they don't care about thism stuff. It is not something that they are afraid of.

There was a very interesting article in Foreign Affairs which encapsulated the feelings that I had, but could not express. The author said that there are three dominant psyches in the world.

In the west, the dominant psyche is fear.

In Asia, the dominant psyche is hope.

In the islamic world, the dominant psyche is humiliation.

She nailed it. Absolutely right.

Of course, if your time in the Phils consists of short visits for the purpose of as much commercial sex as possible, then you never get to meet real filipinos, never get any feel for the real country, never get to understand the nature of a very nice people. You only ever get to see the underbelly.

For your consideration.

G.

G,

If you do see a police officer on the street, it may be because he is shaking you down. My bag was stolen in Plantation bay and when they called the police they showed up with "nothing" to take a report (pen, paper.). I read an article last month that stated only 50% of the police are armed, because of no funds.

If you have a accident and an ambulance is called, it will be empty of life saving supplies.

A simple transaction in the bank here can take an hour or more.

I agree you have more freedom here, but with that freedom comes no rights. I always thought that I would want to retire here, but after living and working here for the last five years, I am looking to move on and only come back as a two week tourist and enjoy the Philippines for what it is.

Robb

[Gangles]

FF, I usually travel to the Phils for sporting reasons, and because of that, I get to meet quite a lot of expats who live there.

I make a point of asking them why they life in the Phils, (or Thailand, or Cambodia) , and the most common reason that I get is that they had to get away from the nanny state, which now intrudes into every part of their lives, and controls every action, including the most basic activities in everyday life.

And that is the reason why I am about to pack up and move to the Phils also.

Of course, without the total protection that you get in the nanny state, life can be a bit more risky. Maybe you will be ripped off here and there.

But at least inthe Phils you can enjoy a much higher level of freedom than in the average western country.

My country is now a police state. Try a simple experiment. Stand on any street corner in the downtown area of where you live. Over a periiod of say 4 hours, count the number of police that you see.

Now, do the same on any street corner in any city in the Phils. You will see many less.

And remember, a police officer is any person who has power of arrest, not just uniformed police.

In my country, people are very law abiding, but they abide by the law out of fear of being caught by the police, not out of any inherent sense of community, or responsibility.

In my country, every transaction that you make at a bank is monitored, every email is recorded and scanned, every phone call the same. Your life is not your own any more.

We are afrais of everything. Being fried with global warming, being over-run by illegal immigrants and refugees, the ever spreading threat of islam, destruction of the environment.

In asinn coun tries, they don't care about thism stuff. It is not something that they are afraid of.

There was a very interesting article in Foreign Affairs which encapsulated the feelings that I had, but could not express. The author said that there are three dominant psyches in the world.

In the west, the dominant psyche is fear.

In Asia, the dominant psyche is hope.

In the islamic world, the dominant psyche is humiliation.

She nailed it. Absolutely right.

Of course, if your time in the Phils consists of short visits for the purpose of as much commercial sex as possible, then you never get to meet real filipinos, never get any feel for the real country, never get to understand the nature of a very nice people. You only ever get to see the underbelly.

For your consideration.

G.

One thing I've learned after four trips to the Philippines is, never take the place seriously. This is adult Disneyland. You come, you pillage and you leave with good memories. No disrespect to expats, but the thought of me spending more than two weeks in the Philippines is unfathomable. I truly feel sorry for Filipinos who must live their entires lives in a shit-filled, hopeless, corrupt country.

Aside from the sex and girls, one benefit of traveling there is that it makes me grateful for what I have in America, to be with friends, family and coworkers who aren't trying mooch off me or feign kindness for ulterior motive. It makes me appreciate technology and civilization. It even makes me appreciate my dead-end job. The women in my life in America may not be as pretty or fawn all over me, but I know if they like me, it's likely genuine and I can have a real emotional and intellectual connection with her. It's not just her tits and vagina.

Let's be honest here. Many guys go to the Philippines for love and sex because they have problems at home. Perhaps they lack social skills, they're workaholics, don't have a life, have no real friends, estranged from family, etc. They look to the Philippines as a substitute for their drab reality.

The truth is, no matter how bad your life is at home, it will likely be worse in the Philippines. The country is crap. India may be poorer (at least for now) , but I don't sense Indians being shady, corrupt, conniving, lazy or moochers. So enjoy the Philippines while you're there but don't go there to run away from your problems. Confront your problems instead.

[D Cups]

Hi Furry, I disagree with you. I lived in the PI in the 80s and had the time of my life. I plan on retiring there in less than 10 years and raising a family. It is a beautiful country, affordable, speaks English, and has great food and culture, moreso than the other 20+ countries I have visited worldwide. I am well educated and do not lack social skill or any of the other maladies you suggest. Moreover, I've met several expats of my caliber who enjoy the PI a whole lot, too. It is not a perfect country but what country is?

One thing I've learned after four trips to the Philippines is, never take the place seriously. This is adult Disneyland. You come, you pillage and you leave with good memories. No disrespect to expats, but the thought of me spending more than two weeks in the Philippines is unfathomable. I truly feel sorry for Filipinos who must live their entires lives in a shit-filled, hopeless, corrupt country.

Aside from the sex and girls, one benefit of traveling there is that it makes me grateful for what I have in America, to be with friends, family and coworkers who aren't trying mooch off me or feign kindness for ulterior motive. It makes me appreciate technology and civilization. It even makes me appreciate my dead-end job. The women in my life in America may not be as pretty or fawn all over me, but I know if they like me, it's likely genuine and I can have a real emotional and intellectual connection with her. It's not just her tits and vagina.

Let's be honest here. Many guys go to the Philippines for love and sex because they have problems at home. Perhaps they lack social skills, they're workaholics, don't have a life, have no real friends, estranged from family, etc. They look to the Philippines as a substitute for their drab reality.

The truth is, no matter how bad your life is at home, it will likely be worse in the Philippines. The country is crap. India may be poorer (at least for now) , but I don't sense Indians being shady, corrupt, conniving, lazy or moochers. So enjoy the Philippines while you're there but don't go there to run away from your problems. Confront your problems instead.

[FurryFriend]

Everything is fucking fake here just like back home. The smile, the talk, the so called respect. Its just to put you into their claws to later suck your hard earned money away.

One thing I've learned after four trips to the Philippines is, never take the place seriously. This is adult Disneyland. You come, you pillage and you leave with good memories. No disrespect to expats, but the thought of me spending more than two weeks in the Philippines is unfathomable. I truly feel sorry for Filipinos who must live their entires lives in a shit-filled, hopeless, corrupt country.

Aside from the sex and girls, one benefit of traveling there is that it makes me grateful for what I have in America, to be with friends, family and coworkers who aren't trying mooch off me or feign kindness for ulterior motive. It makes me appreciate technology and civilization. It even makes me appreciate my dead-end job. The women in my life in America may not be as pretty or fawn all over me, but I know if they like me, it's likely genuine and I can have a real emotional and intellectual connection with her. It's not just her tits and vagina.

Let's be honest here. Many guys go to the Philippines for love and sex because they have problems at home. Perhaps they lack social skills, they're workaholics, don't have a life, have no real friends, estranged from family, etc. They look to the Philippines as a substitute for their drab reality.

The truth is, no matter how bad your life is at home, it will likely be worse in the Philippines. The country is crap. India may be poorer (at least for now) , but I don't sense Indians being shady, corrupt, conniving, lazy or moochers. So enjoy the Philippines while you're there but don't go there to run away from your problems. Confront your problems instead.

[Sxxxx]

Philippines.who the fuck wants to live there? Who the fuck wants to meet an upper class women? We got tons of them stateside. We're trying to get the fuck away from that shit . We're here to shoot loads. Bust nuts. Spread seed. Don

Now that is talking. Refreshing from the hype artists who pontificate on this Forum. This is a pay for sex site, not a marriage Forum, LOL. Yes, welcome back Dashing Don. Frankness is what we are seeking, not hype. More please.

[Starono]

Anyone know the barfines for the ktvs? For example, Asia entertainment complex. I know the rates are 500 / hour in addition to GRO fees, etc. But how much is the actual barfine and how much is tip usually for the girl? I know it's expensive, but how much are we talking about?