Moscow

[PeterMills]

Hi,

Does any one have any reviews on Ellena from http://vipelegantescort.com/gallery3.html ? I'am new to punting and don't want to make use of her services without any reviews.

[Jonathan Pine]

CN,

You ask some interesting questions. First, comparing the Russian economy with the USA economy will lead you to some conclusions which don't make any sense at all. Especially in Moscow. You would be amazed to learn how cheaply a native Muscovite can live in Moscow. You or I could NEVER hope to do the same. One reason is housing. Five years ago, rents in central Moscow were on par with London or NYC. Maybe even higher. So who actually PAYS these outrageous rents? Foreigners and wealthy Russians mostly. Everyone else owns an apartment or lives in an apartment that is owned by a close friend or family member and lives rent free. So how do these people afford to buy these apartments? They don't. The vast majority of apartments in Russia are owned by people who were given these apartments during the period of "privatization" in the post Soviet early 1990's. Once you take housing cost out of the equation, the cost of living in Moscow can drop to nearly nothing for a Russian that can live a simple life without imported luxury goods. Basic food and utilities are dirt cheap when compared with Western Europe or the USA. I know of two sisters in their 20's who live in a large apartment in the center of Moscow that is potentially worth close a million US dollars. They inherited it from a family member and can afford to live as students on next to nothing. Despite the fact that the place is BADLY in need of repair and modernizing, the fact remains that they live in the center of Moscow rent free. If one of them decides to go and turn tricks in Night Flight one or two nights a week for some extra cash, no problem. She can set her price according to her own conscience. But if she gets no takers, it's not the end of the world..

I concur fully with Jake. The median (not average) monthly income in Russia is only 24000,44000 a month is at 90% of the population. By Western standard this sounds extremely low, but the cost of living is much lower in Russia. Plus, people have already bought big tickets items before the economic crisis, cars, home renovation, furnitures, iphones. Infrastructures were already built prior to the crisis, new roads, new shopping malls,.

I of course like every monger here which the girls would be hungry for foreign guys like the 90's unfortunately it's not the case. They might not be rich now but once the standard of living reaches a threshold, say 15000 monthly salary rubles, they wouldn't be sucking Tom Dick and Harry's foreign dicks anymore. Sad but true.

[CzarNicholas]

And I agree 100% with you. This is valid also for other EE women, the more you invest in them the more they will wait, or even expect from the next guy; thus feking us all.

The most I ever paid in my life in a SC, that was higher than the going price as soon as I did that I ruined her, she gave me horrible service and turned into a super ****, when a man over pays he is doing something that can destroy the whole system, the easiest way to destroy the economy of mongering is to overpay.

[Putologist]

I truly believe it is the man that sets the price, not the woman, we set the market price, by paying a certain amount and no more,
those that pay more only drive the prices up for the entire market, I call that monger-flation!

And I agree 100% with you. This is valid also for other EE women, the more you invest in them the more they will wait, or even expect from the next guy; thus feking us all.

[Jake993]

I regret using "free fall mode" a bit hyperbolic on my part

CN,

You ask some interesting questions. First, comparing the Russian economy with the USA economy will lead you to some conclusions which don't make any sense at all. Especially in Moscow. You would be amazed to learn how cheaply a native Muscovite can live in Moscow. You or I could NEVER hope to do the same. One reason is housing. Five years ago, rents in central Moscow were on par with London or NYC. Maybe even higher. So who actually PAYS these outrageous rents? Foreigners and wealthy Russians mostly. Everyone else owns an apartment or lives in an apartment that is owned by a close friend or family member and lives rent free. So how do these people afford to buy these apartments? They don't. The vast majority of apartments in Russia are owned by people who were given these apartments during the period of "privatization" in the post Soviet early 1990's. Once you take housing cost out of the equation, the cost of living in Moscow can drop to nearly nothing for a Russian that can live a simple life without imported luxury goods. Basic food and utilities are dirt cheap when compared with Western Europe or the USA. I know of two sisters in their 20's who live in a large apartment in the center of Moscow that is potentially worth close a million US dollars. They inherited it from a family member and can afford to live as students on next to nothing. Despite the fact that the place is BADLY in need of repair and modernizing, the fact remains that they live in the center of Moscow rent free. If one of them decides to go and turn tricks in Night Flight one or two nights a week for some extra cash, no problem. She can set her price according to her own conscience. But if she gets no takers, it's not the end of the world. She can survive. And this is the point. For many girls who service foreigners, it's NOT a matter of survival. There are many who will take issue with my view on the situation in Moscow, but I don't think I am far off. You can't compare WG economics in Russia with those of places like Thailand. It's not the same thing. The other thing to remember is that there is a two-tier (maybe even three-tier) mongering industry in Moscow. One for foreigners and one for locals. Again, impossible to compare. I don't have time to get into a whole discussion about the differences at the moment but, again, let me assure you that the two are VERY different both in experience and in price. Check out www.sextalk.ru to get a glimpse into that world.

As for quality in strip clubs, you will fine none finer than in Moscow I assure you. Especially in the high end ones mentioned in previous posts. As for other cities in Russia, mongering prices are significantly lower, but if you can't speak Russian you are going to have a really tough time unless you are willing to invest a lot of time.

IMHO, it's worth the journey to experience Russian girls on their home turf. Comparing Russian girls in Russia and Russian girls (strippers and WG's) working in other countries is like comparing a thoroughbred racehorse with a plow-mare. Not a fair comparison.

[CzarNicholas]

CN,

Don't confuse the state of the Russian ruble with the price of mongering. While it's true that the ruble is about half of what was the 5 year average compared to the dollar, the Russian economy is far from being in "free fall" status. It's also true that a lot of foreign companies are pulling out of Russia because the exchange rate makes foreign goods too expensive for Russians. However, Russians have just changed their buying habits to adjust to the new economy. For those who have dollars and want to live in Moscow, things are relatively affordable compared to 2010 when the rubles was about 28 to the dollar. However, this new economy has not yet impacted the price of mongering the way that you perhaps are expecting. When you read reports about paying $200 USD for sex, you have to remember that you would have paid double that in 2011. So while it may not seem to you like much of a bargain, trust me, it's a heck of a lot cheaper than it used to be. The trick really is to negotiate in rubles. Once you start talking dollars or Euros, psychologically the girl believes that you can be pushed higher.

If you are looking for a bargain for sex, Russia is still not it. In fact it may NEVER go back to those golden days in the 90's unless there is a huge crisis. Today, Russians are not using the word "crisis" just yet. Ukraine is likely more affordable these days. There are a lot of girls from the affected Eastern parts of Ukraine who are in Kiev trying to make money. IMHO, if you are on a budget, Moscow is not for you. Your money is better spent on a Russian girl in an FKK in Frankfurt.

I truly believe it is the man that sets the price, not the woman, we set the market price, by paying a certain amount and no more, those that pay more only drive the prices up for the entire market, I call that monger-flation!

[CzarNicholas]

CN,

Don't confuse the state of the Russian ruble with the price of mongering. While it's true that the ruble is about half of what was the 5 year average compared to the dollar, the Russian economy is far from being in "free fall" status. It's also true that a lot of foreign companies are pulling out of Russia because the exchange rate makes foreign goods too expensive for Russians. However, Russians have just changed their buying habits to adjust to the new economy. For those who have dollars and want to live in Moscow, things are relatively affordable compared to 2010 when the rubles was about 28 to the dollar. However, this new economy has not yet impacted the price of mongering the way that you perhaps are expecting. When you read reports about paying $200 USD for sex, you have to remember that you would have paid double that in 2011. So while it may not seem to you like much of a bargain, trust me, it's a heck of a lot cheaper than it used to be. The trick really is to negotiate in rubles. Once you start talking dollars or Euros, psychologically the girl believes that you can be pushed higher.

If you are looking for a bargain for sex, Russia is still not it. In fact it may NEVER go back to those golden days in the 90's unless there is a huge crisis. Today, Russians are not using the word "crisis" just yet. Ukraine is likely more affordable these days. There are a lot of girls from the affected Eastern parts of Ukraine who are in Kiev trying to make money. IMHO, if you are on a budget, Moscow is not for you. Your money is better spent on a Russian girl in an FKK in Frankfurt.

I regret using "free fall mode" a bit hyperbolic on my part, but I've read many articles on Forbes and the economist saying the people are really really hurting, saying the average wage is now like 400 usd per month, I see these escort sites charging that much for a hour, that seems fake I've always suspected ads that advertise high prices are just fishing for big fish or suckers that think they can get something of super high quality if they just spend more? I am certainly not bragging but I feel confident that I can get a better deal based on my experience in the US it is very expensive to monger here and I can go into a strip club with a friend and get a 8-9 18 yr old blonde for $100 BBFS anal creampie etc etc at the utter amazement of said friend!(incidentally I believe I can show anyone how to do what I do) I feel if I just do the proper research I can replicate my success there? What about the other cities like Novosibirsk, STPB, Yekaterinburg, Chelyabinsk, I really love Russian strippers the issue is many in the US have many tattoos which I don't like, I am willing to pay the market price if that's what it is, but the quality would have to be model type? To justify flying 10000 miles! And the FKK setup sounds like a production line in a factory so I am drawn to Russia instead, I really want natural young very thin super pretty Russian, if that is more expensive that is OK, as long as the quality justifies price which isn't always the case when mongering anywhere. I guess I'm unclear because Russia is not a rich country globally, how those prices for mongering are sustainable? The prices you mentioned for 2011 are higher than NYC or San Francisco today, if I could understand that it may explain the economic dynamics at work for mongering there? In summary how does a girl get away with charging $200 usd for 1 hour in a national economy where the average salary is 400 usd how that is even possible, maybe the 1 in a million supermodel, what about the rest they should be getting $20 (or starving), I think maybe the formula of the equivalent of one days salary, not 2-4 weeks. Lastly probably a bad comparison but lets look at Thailand the average monthly salary is $800 usd for teachers and look at the price of mongering there,$50 usd for longtime overnight, what is that equivalent to a 16 HR session for a average days pay? My expectations are economics 101 the economy is not "strong" now, that should reduce prices, and reduce men with money to monger, also increase competition with more women working the trade, in a sane world the prices in Russia should be same or even lower than Thailand, not 10 x higher. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...mic-/?page=all.

[Jake993]

Sir,

I have a very important question, please help if you can? I live in the US and want to visit Moscow for strictly mongering, but I am very confused about the prices, the ruble is very low and the Russian economy seems to be in a "free fall mode"?.

CN,

Don't confuse the state of the Russian ruble with the price of mongering. While it's true that the ruble is about half of what was the 5 year average compared to the dollar, the Russian economy is far from being in "free fall" status. It's also true that a lot of foreign companies are pulling out of Russia because the exchange rate makes foreign goods too expensive for Russians. However, Russians have just changed their buying habits to adjust to the new economy. For those who have dollars and want to live in Moscow, things are relatively affordable compared to 2010 when the rubles was about 28 to the dollar. However, this new economy has not yet impacted the price of mongering the way that you perhaps are expecting. When you read reports about paying $200 USD for sex, you have to remember that you would have paid double that in 2011. So while it may not seem to you like much of a bargain, trust me, it's a heck of a lot cheaper than it used to be. The trick really is to negotiate in rubles. Once you start talking dollars or Euros, psychologically the girl believes that you can be pushed higher.

If you are looking for a bargain for sex, Russia is still not it. In fact it may NEVER go back to those golden days in the 90's unless there is a huge crisis. Today, Russians are not using the word "crisis" just yet. Ukraine is likely more affordable these days. There are a lot of girls from the affected Eastern parts of Ukraine who are in Kiev trying to make money. IMHO, if you are on a budget, Moscow is not for you. Your money is better spent on a Russian girl in an FKK in Frankfurt.

[CzarNicholas]

No, it is 400 $ for 2 hours for both! Do you have experience with these girls? Are these pics fake?

Sir,

I have a very important question, please help if you can? I live in the US and want to visit Moscow for strictly mongering, but I am very confused about the prices, the ruble is very low and the Russian economy seems to be in a "free fall mode"?

Why are prices so "high" I pay $100 (sometimes $200) usd in American strip clubs for 18-22 yr old, BBFS sometimes anal creampie swallow etc, these girls are 8-9's some rare 10's,granted this is less than 30 minutes time, w / o a bed but the reason I ask is because I want to find 9-10's and need to know what the market prices are in order to know how long my budget will sustain a trip.

I can stay a few weeks but if prices are very high it would have to be cut short? Is the German FKK cheaper? I've looked at many escort sites in Moscow but I suspect like in the US most with lower prices are bait and switch with fake fotos of girls not pretty enough for face to face strip club business transaction, I'm having trouble even trying to calculate airline ticket dates because I have no idea what to expect on the ground and to change an international airline ticket date is $300.

Are there other Russian cities that are less expensive with a great monger scene? I may visit STPB but I'm concerned with my lack of any Russian, to summarize my question, best (cheapest) case scenario what are the most beautiful girls (young thin blonde 9-10's) charging in Moscow, I certainly don't need 1-2 hours, 30 minutes is plenty of time, I don't want to pay for the extra time if that is more expensive, I am a younger guy with great monger skills in the strip club, I am one of the best hagglers for price I've ever seen hahaa, is Kiev a less expensive option for mongering? Which city has higher quality working girls? Also if any of the other members would like to reply please feel free, it will be a few mos before my trip, but I will gladly meet for dinner and / or drinks if any locals would like to meet up, on me of course.

[CumerBareback]

Hi CumerBareback,

Do you know yet in which of the Ibis you stayed?

Thank you.

Ibis Moscow Centre Bakhrushina. But I never had an issue in Moscow if I booked a room for two persons. Otherwise you can also take a Holiday Inn or Park Inn. I also never had an issue there.

[CumerBareback]

You can try the following girl: http://wamba.com/mb1603586054.

Just spoke with her and going to meet her next week when I am back to Moscow. 25.000 for uncovered sex with happy ending; she is on pill. Anal not possible. But she is not speaking English. Generally Russian is better if you want to meet girls.

I had the chance to meet with her last night. She was a really cute girl and as agreed I paid 25000 for natural sex with happy ending inside her. She was not on pill, so lets hope she is taking them today. Did not tried anal, but oral with swallow was no problem. Unfortunately her profile got blocked and she does not want me to give her mobile number.

[Gepard32]

400 $ for a couple of hours for both? Otherwise it seems to be quite expensive. Usually I haven't had many issues with fake pictures on Mamba.

No, it is 400 $ for 2 hours for both! Do you have experience with these girls? Are these pics fake?

[Coolio]

I stayed in one of the Ibis hotels in the center. No problem to take a girl to the room.

Hi CumerBareback,

Do you know yet in which of the Ibis you stayed?

Thank you.

[CumerBareback]

Does Maria35 provides Anal as well? Looks like she is a good alternative. Just in case.

In case you are not lucky with Mamba you can also try Tanya: https://www.rusdosug.com/indi27612.htm. I met with her 6 month ago and she "don't mind to have natural sex with a nice and handsome man". So if you ask it might possible without rubber. But don't know if she is still doing it nowadays. Not really cheap, but a real sexual woman. Anal possible. By the way. I paid for that 500 Euro for the night starting with a nice dinner and very pleasant conversation. Bot only go do for sex, but also for a pleasant all over experience.

[GoldenRule]

Hi friends,

I would be in Russia next week for work. And staying in AZIMUT Moscow Olympic Hotel, Olimpiyskiy prospekt, 18/1, Moscow, Russia.

Can you please recommend me a elite Massage parlor with great beauties and a Strip club in the nearby place?

Thanks.