Kyiv

[Vitrea]

Good reports man. I wish you had PM privileges. May be you can write a few more reports and get senior member status. Ha Ha.

[Rammstein2]

Hi,

Thanks for your reports, seems like you are having wonderful time.

I'll be there in a week, tried my best but didn't have much of luck with contacts. Can you share some?

Best.

Sorry, you did not try enough! I can tell you that you get a lot of numbers in Mamba if you spent some time in it.

Is it OK to post some Numbers in the Forum here? I can give you some some 100 and 200 Euro girls if you like. I don't need them. I found this website too. Has anybody experience in this side? http://en.natashaescort.com/.

[Rammstein2]

After years and years of sex market study and practice, I have deduced the best solution. Now good prostitutes are more expensive than open-minded partners, therefore it is cheaper to live with an open-minded partner for creating a family, rather to pay a prostitute for a sexual service plus to pay a mother for giving birth children plus to pay a baby-sitter for raising children plus to pay restaurants for good meals plus to pay a nurse for curing us plus to pay a dressmaker for mending clothing. I am talking about an open-minded partner only. It must be avoided women who want a man just for having children and for having money to raise children: these women should be the prostitutes!

I agree to avoid women who want a man just for having children and for having money to raise children; they are the prostitutes! But what is the difference between such a prostitute and an open-minded partner with the same costs? What is an open-minded partner? Do you think your actually woman is an open-minded partner only to avoid her calling a prostitute? An open-minded partner never ask to marry her.

In my opinion its always cheaper to have a prostitute than to have a wife; the prostitutes became more expansive. Yes, but the way of living, the children and the divorces too. And after the divorce you still have the costs. You can change the prostitutes whenever you want and you can save the money for them whenever you want.

[Rammstein2]

About 40 % of the girls will ask at least 100 $ for 1 hour. With these girls it's usually hard to get the price down. The best you can usually do is around 2000 UAH. Some of them will exclude you if you dare asking a lower price than 100 $, so you can not see their profile and write to them.

Concerning the other half I would divide it in two. The first half is really choosy and their selection is very tough. They either want just one sponsor and to be with the same one or they want a really cute sponsor or the age is limited at 25 or 30 years old. The rest, I think at least 30 % is what we usually can get for a price less than 1000 UAH till 1500 for 1 hour or two. Most of the girls in that category are usually not so cute, average and less than average. I can add that 1 up to two speaks only Russian or Ukrainian and that you usually need many hours in front of your screen or mobile phone to get some phone numbers. And sometimes to get nothing or nearly nothing, because the girl says that she will come tomorrow to your place and she won't. Welcome in Mamba's world.

VENI, VEDI, VICI.

Does not work in Mamba. You need one month where you are searching for girls daily and prepare a contact list. But afterwards you can be sure that you have enough girls to choose. Especially if you make some longer conversation with the girls you also can be sure that she will be there at the date you made.

Advice: Try to make more dates and cancel the dates if the girl appears.

[Rammstein2]

No sex at day 9. My model Vera and I have been at the river beach the whole Friday and we made dinner at home. Her women days started yesterday. But it was so damned hot that I did not miss the sex really this evening. She will go to Odessa with her student girlfriend for a whole week. So she chose the right time for the trip.

I woke up very early at 8 am and was rather horny. Imagine one day without sex! I sent a "Good Morning" to about 10 of my Viber and Whattsapp girls which I already had the last days or which I wanted to test and have not had the time for. But nobody answered. So I looked in mamba for the new girls. Nobody was online. I sent a "HUG" sign in Viber for 5 or 6 more girls. The second choice girls from which I got the Viber numbers.

It was 10.00 o'clock now and I only got one response. She said later she will have time but now she is sleeping. So I went out to have a breakfast.

When I came back 2 o 3 hours later Viber was full of answers and questions. I made a date at 14.00 with a new 21 yo girl without talking about the price. I made a second date at 19.00 with the beautiful girl I already had last week (forgot her name). I made an other date at 15.30 in case if the new girl at 14.00 did not come.

14.00 - she Vibert me that she arrived and I fetched her up from street. She was a real Blondie and she was not good looking, maybe a 5 or a 6. I thought about giving her some money for the taxi and sent her home. But she was very charm and could speak a good English and I was horny. While she took a shower I cancelled my 15.30 date. When she put of her towel in bed I knew that I made a good decision. What a slim perfect body. Perfect good sized breasts and what a Blowjob! Really great she did a very good BJ. I decided to do a BJ only today and put my load in her mouth.

We had a nice talk afterwards and I asked if she is happy with 20 (I run out of Griwna) and a date for tomorrow. She agreed.

I communicated a lot in Viber / Whattsapp / Mamba this afternoon and asked for dates the next week while I was waiting for my next date. I got an answer from a girl (not looking for a sponsor) whom I wrote last month without response at this time. We made a date at a milk bar close to my apartment at 21.00.

19.00 the girl from I think Wednesday. Great performance!! I needed one hour BJ and Sex. I gave her 40 and asked her to make a photo. Lovely girl. She will be my favorite while Vera is in Odessa.

21.30 She wrote me to meet later. Perfect so I had a bit more time to relax. She was 28 and called Anja. Looking for marriage, kids and so on. A clever girl, very good English spoken. We have had a cafe a dessert and a nice time. I don't think she was excited about me. I could imaging to have sex with her.

[Riina]

Welcome in Mamba's world.

More like Mamba wasteland.

[Volpone]

About 40 % of the girls will ask at least 100 $ for 1 hour. With these girls it's usually hard to get the price down. The best you can usually do is around 2000 UAH. Some of them will exclude you if you dare asking a lower price than 100 $, so you can not see their profile and write to them.

Concerning the other half I would divide it in two. The first half is really choosy and their selection is very tough. They either want just one sponsor and to be with the same one or they want a really cute sponsor or the age is limited at 25 or 30 years old. The rest, I think at least 30 % is what we usually can get for a price less than 1000 UAH till 1500 for 1 hour or two. Most of the girls in that category are usually not so cute, average and less than average. I can add that 1 up to two speaks only Russian or Ukrainian and that you usually need many hours in front of your screen or mobile phone to get some phone numbers. And sometimes to get nothing or nearly nothing, because the girl says that she will come tomorrow to your place and she won't. Welcome in Mamba's world.

[AColonizer]

Volpone was the main character of a Paolo Villaggio's movie. What about Italy, that's the worst country because of everything and everybody, but not for the food until now. I smile when I read Americans grumble about their nation, because they can't guess how much worse is the Italian background.

After years and years of sex market study and practice, I have deduced the best solution. Now good prostitutes are more expensive than open-minded partners, therefore it is cheaper to live with an open-minded partner for creating a family, rather to pay a prostitute for a sexual service plus to pay a mother for giving birth children plus to pay a baby-sitter for raising children plus to pay restaurants for good meals plus to pay a nurse for curing us plus to pay a dressmaker for mending clothing. I am talking about an open-minded partner only. It must be avoided women who want a man just for having children and for having money to raise children: these women should be the prostitutes!

The economic system has demonstrated the absurdity of the specialization theory, since the work of 5 people is less passionate and more expensive of the work of one clever person. The modern economic science is reduced to the marketing (scam) in spending more and getting less. In next future, it will be assigned a Nobel prize for this reason.

I got about the same results. Don't forget guys, that mamba girls usually don't have a pimp. They can keep all the money for them. Don't you have the feeling to be screwed when you give 100 dollars or Euros for 1 hour? Are you giving to a semi-pros or an occasional, 1 or 2 weeks salary in your own country? Well in Germany it would be something like 3-800 Euros for 1 hour. In Italy, one of the worst country Europe for paying sex, that would be still cheaper than Kiev. You can get sex with a beautiful one from Eastern Europe for 150-200 Euros for 1 hour and low-average salaries are around 1200-1500 Euros. So a bit more than 6-7 times less than the monthly salary. Here with one 100 Dollars or Euros, we are paying half of a low-average salary.

[LuisVega11]

Whatever happened to the authentic looking photos of girls hanging out in a mongers apartment? Everything here seems like something copied from a VK profile.

Same feeling. Lot of girl in 7 days not even a real photos. For a 50+ monger so easy to find cheap girl in mamba in Kiev.

[DudeNextDoor]

I have not met her personally but there are a few like her in Lviv. They all open from 100-200 euros but I paid between 50 usd-70 euros for a few hours at my hotel or flat. The problem with Lviv is the number of girls are limited on Mamba. Soem are travelling some are occupied and I end up getting 1-2 mamba girl every trip.

Today I meet with a girl 23 yo from Lviv. I have been in contact with her for a long time but we never met. She was in Kiev for holidays and we used the possibility to have breakfast together. In my opinion she is a 8 face and body and very charm. I knew that she wanted to have 200 Euros for a night and when she asked me about having sex I told her that I did not pay these prices. At least she agreed to come to my apartment for 50 . She stayed the whole afternoon and in the evening we went for a dinner and later to Caribbean Bar. We both like Salsa music and it was fantastic there. You can see her in Mamba in Lviv. I put some photos here which she sent me by Viber. Unfortunately she has no time for me at the weekend and will go back to Lviv on Sunday.

[Lllyxer]

Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy and wise. So I made a date today for 10.00 o'clock in the morning. Her name is Anna 19 yo. She is a 6 or 7 but very clever, English and Spanish spoken. She gave a perfect blowjob and I never had a girl who is getting so wet. Afterwards the bed sheets have been super wet and I have to change them. But she helped me. In Viber we agree to an amount of 1. 500 but after a nice talk and because she was in a hurry and left at about 11.30 she only wanted to have 1.000 grw. Wow. That's why I like these girls. I told her to come whenever she wants but not in the next three days (I still have some girls in my pipeline).

The last time in Kiev I met a girl called Jan 23 yo who only offered BJ for 500. I liked her BJ and she always asked when she could come. Today I met her in the streets of Kiev. It was very funny. We made dates for Monday / Tuesday and Wednesday at 13.00..

It was a great evening yesterday. It was raining very strong and we have been in bed the whole time. The summer holidays at the University just begun but Vera has to learn for a last examen. So I was surfing in the internet while she was learning. Of course there have been a lot of kissing breaks and one long fucking break. In the morning we had a breakfast outside somewhere in Kiev and the sun was shining again. She went home at about 13.00 ]- so I did.
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Hi,

Thanks for your reports, seems like you are having wonderful time.

I'll be there in a week, tried my best but didn't have much of luck with contacts. Can you share some?

Best.

[Rammstein2]

Today I meet with a girl 23 yo from Lviv. I have been in contact with her for a long time but we never met. She was in Kiev for holidays and we used the possibility to have breakfast together. In my opinion she is a 8 face and body and very charm. I knew that she wanted to have 200 Euros for a night and when she asked me about having sex I told her that I did not pay these prices. At least she agreed to come to my apartment for 50 . She stayed the whole afternoon and in the evening we went for a dinner and later to Caribbean Bar. We both like Salsa music and it was fantastic there. You can see her in Mamba in Lviv. I put some photos here which she sent me by Viber. Unfortunately she has no time for me at the weekend and will go back to Lviv on Sunday.

[Misc123]

I got about the same results. Don't forget guys, that mamba girls usually don't have a pimp. They can keep all the money for them. Don't you have the feeling to be screwed when you give 100 dollars or Euros for 1 hour? Are you giving to a semi-pros or an occasional, 1 or 2 weeks salary in your own country? Well in Germany it would be something like 3-800 Euros for 1 hour. In Italy, one of the worst country Europe for paying sex, that would be still cheaper than Kiev. You can get sex with a beautiful one from Eastern Europe for 150-200 Euros for 1 hour and low-average salaries are around 1200-1500 Euros. So a bit more than 6-7 times less than the monthly salary. Here with one 100 Dollars or Euros, we are paying half of a low-average salary.

Volpone, Rammstein. Both of you bring up a good point. There is another way of looking at it. Are you saving money compared to your own country. Whichever that is? If you pay 100 Euro (Eu) in your own country and 100 Eu in Kiev then it is no save. If you get younger and more beautiful in Kiev compared to your city, then you can justify that as a save. But if it is money save, then it is best.

In Kiev, I usually try to pay 50-100 Eu for 2-4 hours, 100-150 Eu for all night, 10+ hours. But rarely do I get a 8-9 for that kind of money (sometimes, if I get lucky). Mostly I get girls who are 6-7 around 19-24 years. Rarely I have to pay more. Outside Kiev, it get cheaper and you get more beautiful girls. All these rates are for non agency girls - mamba, kreschatyk, vk etc. If you go to agency then you have to pay much more. For club like Rio. Go early before 10-11 pm, and negotiate for the girl to stay till 4-5 am. Ciao.

[Volpone]

The last weeks and months I talked a lot with the girls and the people about the incomes and salaries in the Ukraine. So I can tell you the following real things and examples for Kiew:

- pension from a old woman who worked 40 years for the Ukrainian State: 1. 000 Griwna (37 Euro) a month.

- pension of an average old man 1.500 Griwna (53 Euro).

- student who was standing in a shop for a month 2. 000 to 2. 500 grw (70 - 90 Euros).

- average simple workers salary 3.000 to 4.000 Griwna (110 -150 Euros).

- average employee in an office 4.000 to 8.000 Griwna (150 - 300 Euros).

- "little or middle" manager 8.000 to 12.000 Griwna (300 - 450 Euros).

Think about these salaries when you are paying 2 or 3 monthly salaries to girls who are arrogant or not willing to do their job for this money or who are not doing a BBBJ. I do not like to give a good looking girl with good service more than 1000 grw for some hours. Its a lot of money for these girls and there are a lot of girls who are super happy about this amount especially when they can visit you more often.

I got about the same results. Don't forget guys, that mamba girls usually don't have a pimp. They can keep all the money for them. Don't you have the feeling to be screwed when you give 100 dollars or Euros for 1 hour? Are you giving to a semi-pros or an occasional, 1 or 2 weeks salary in your own country? Well in Germany it would be something like 3-800 Euros for 1 hour. In Italy, one of the worst country Europe for paying sex, that would be still cheaper than Kiev. You can get sex with a beautiful one from Eastern Europe for 150-200 Euros for 1 hour and low-average salaries are around 1200-1500 Euros. So a bit more than 6-7 times less than the monthly salary. Here with one 100 Dollars or Euros, we are paying half of a low-average salary.

[Riina]

Whatever happened to the authentic looking photos of girls hanging out in a mongers apartment? Everything here seems like something copied from a VK profile.