Moscow

[Why Nott]

For the guys that come to Moscow only for sex reasons, and stay for a week or two, speak no Russian, you're bloody too late. 15 years too late. Sure you can spend hours a day, everyday for weeks prior to coming to Moscow trying to arrange for paid sex. But why bother? Moscow is expensive and lots of headache if one doesn't speak the language to navigate the city. For the same amount of money or less, you can stay in your home countries and get Russian hookers, strip dancers.

I assume the reason that guys still come because they still have the illusion of finding a mail order bride type of girl that gets her pussy all wet when seeing a foreign man. I have bad news for you. You're bloody too late. My advice for you guys is to stay home, don't bother coming to Moscow or Russia. But if you're stubborn and insisting to come and see the real situation with your own eyes, then my advice is to go to Night Flight and pick up a copy of Moscow Times. Yes it's in bloody English. Go to the last page. There are a couple escort agency ads.

Yes yes I know you can also go to dance clubs to meet girls. But if you can pull it off, you should be able to pull it off back home, too. Might actually be easier and cheaper.

Nobody likes to accept the reality that pussies no longer grow on trees in Russia. But we can't turn back the clock. Russia has moved on, and so should us. If one insist to something about it, then I suggest to switch to drive a more fuel efficient car back home, turn the thermostat a few degrees lower in winter. Then we might have a slight chance to turn back the clock a bit.

Or you can try to learn Russian.

I agree with you 100%.

[Yupi Yup]

For the guys that come to Moscow only for sex reasons, and stay for a week or two, speak no Russian, you're bloody too late. 15 years too late. Sure you can spend hours a day, everyday for weeks prior to coming to Moscow trying to arrange for paid sex. But why bother? Moscow is expensive and lots of headache if one doesn't speak the language to navigate the city. For the same amount of money or less, you can stay in your home countries and get Russian hookers, strip dancers.

I assume the reason that guys still come because they still have the illusion of finding a mail order bride type of girl that gets her pussy all wet when seeing a foreign man. I have bad news for you. You're bloody too late. My advice for you guys is to stay home, don't bother coming to Moscow or Russia. But if you're stubborn and insisting to come and see the real situation with your own eyes, then my advice is to go to Night Flight and pick up a copy of Moscow Times. Yes it's in bloody English. Go to the last page. There are a couple escort agency ads.

Yes yes I know you can also go to dance clubs to meet girls. But if you can pull it off, you should be able to pull it off back home, too. Might actually be easier and cheaper.

Nobody likes to accept the reality that pussies no longer grow on trees in Russia. But we can't turn back the clock. Russia has moved on, and so should us. If one insist to something about it, then I suggest to switch to drive a more fuel efficient car back home, turn the thermostat a few degrees lower in winter. Then we might have a slight chance to turn back the clock a bit.

Or you can try to learn Russian.

I think its the most accurate current description of Moscow mongering scene. This post should be considered similar to double espresso in the morning.

[Georgest]

Not sure why my previous message was treated as "private", while it was not private at all since it wasn't directed to the specific user (though was a reply to one) but to everyone on the thread. My point was, if anyone on the forum wants my assistance as Russian speaker, he can (respectfully to forum rules) pm me. Information of interest to all readers on this thread, I guess.

Obliko,

We can't PM you. I imagine you are not a paying member? I would love to get more information and help from you.

[OblikoMoralee]

Not sure why my previous message was treated as "private", while it was not private at all since it wasn't directed to the specific user (though was a reply to one) but to everyone on the thread. My point was, if anyone on the forum wants my assistance as Russian speaker, he can (respectfully to forum rules) pm me. Information of interest to all readers on this thread, I guess.

[Uncle Volodya]

IMHO I don't think you can learn a language which is as different as the Russian language just by speaking; the grammatical is specific, the words are not similar, and the way to talk is different.

On the opposite Portuguese is a Latin language and as a French speaker, I am leaning it just by speaking and reading a school book, 70% of the words are similar.

I start learning Russian at 50 by spending one month every year in a language school in Russia.

On the second year I could meet with only Russian speaking women, and maybe on the fourth year I could take the appointment by phone.

A great advantage of learning Russian is that the Russians love to be loved, and for them to learn their language is a proof of love, and I can see it in my relations with the women.

It is still sometimes difficult to find the Dom, the korpus and the Podvest, but that is not only due to a lack of understanding the lingo.

I quit taking course after 5 year, I should continue, but it is difficult for me because I speak good enough to spend some time in Russia and not enough to have a fluent conversation, and there is still a lot to study and to practice to get there. Now I am on pension, and I would like to find something consistent to do, part time, in Russia; anybody has an idea?

BTW: it's "podezd" not "podvest".

Dom, Korpus and "podvest" can all be found pretty easily on google maps these days. In the old days we used to have to lug around the "Atlas Moskvi".

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[Jonathan Pine]

For the guys that come to Moscow only for sex reasons, and stay for a week or two, speak no Russian, you're bloody too late. 15 years too late. Sure you can spend hours a day, everyday for weeks prior to coming to Moscow trying to arrange for paid sex. But why bother? Moscow is expensive and lots of headache if one doesn't speak the language to navigate the city. For the same amount of money or less, you can stay in your home countries and get Russian hookers, strip dancers.

I assume the reason that guys still come because they still have the illusion of finding a mail order bride type of girl that gets her pussy all wet when seeing a foreign man. I have bad news for you. You're bloody too late. My advice for you guys is to stay home, don't bother coming to Moscow or Russia. But if you're stubborn and insisting to come and see the real situation with your own eyes, then my advice is to go to Night Flight and pick up a copy of Moscow Times. Yes it's in bloody English. Go to the last page. There are a couple escort agency ads.

Yes yes I know you can also go to dance clubs to meet girls. But if you can pull it off, you should be able to pull it off back home, too. Might actually be easier and cheaper.

Nobody likes to accept the reality that pussies no longer grow on trees in Russia. But we can't turn back the clock. Russia has moved on, and so should us. If one insist to something about it, then I suggest to switch to drive a more fuel efficient car back home, turn the thermostat a few degrees lower in winter. Then we might have a slight chance to turn back the clock a bit.

Or you can try to learn Russian.

[Chercheur]

It's merely opens a dimension of options and experiences that are not available to those who don't have a working knowledge of the language. That's it.

I could not say better.

I have been mongering in South-East Asia when I was in my twenties and early thirties, that was the right place and the right time for me.

Now I monger in Brazil in the winter time and in Russia in the summer time; Rio is a very nice and fun place to live in in January, but, IMHO, not come close to Moscow in term of quality of the women for beauty, education (not sure what is the exact meaning in English, but all possible meanings are included) and sexual appetite.

Come to Russia, start with the English speaking women, and then you will see.

But many of the English speaking women I have met, do travel abroad, so don't expect too much magic from your speaking English, those days are gone for good.

[Jake993]

Do you (Jake and Chercheur) actually believe that you (Jake and Chercheur) are "typical" mongers to Russia?

I can't speak for Chercheur, but I certainly HOPE we are not the typical mongers to Russia. It's clear that I (we) have struck a nerve with you when it comes to the Russian language. I am not suggesting that the new monger to Russia invest a ton of time learning the language. However, whatever time he DOES invest in learning a little "survival Russian" is time well spent. I know several guys who have lived in Russia for nearly 20 years and STILL don't speak a word of Russian. Yet, they seem to have no trouble finding girlfriends. What ever works for you, works for you. For me, learning Russian has worked wonders for my sex life in Russia. Is it absolutely necessary? No, of course not. It's merely opens a dimension of options and experiences that are not available to those who don't have a working knowledge of the language. That's it.

By the way, I have only been visiting Russia for 10 years. Not 20 as you stated.

[Skwiskwis]

Jake has been visiting Russia for 20+ years. Chercheur states in his post he has been visiting Russia for at least four years and also was spending a "month" for at least 4 years in a Russian language school.

Do you (Jake and Chercheur) actually believe that you (Jake and Chercheur) are "typical" mongers to Russia?

Your typical Russian monger visits either StPb or Moscow, hits the clubs, saunas, etc that he finds on this forum or on the web, is middle class (he has a budget in Russia), middle aged or older, tries to find a cheap or reasonably priced hotel or short term rental apartment, is probably European, visits Russia for about a week, and is looking for cheap or free sex with Russian models. He also typically believes that being a western foreign male gives him vast amounts of currency in Russia, that being from the west means he's more sensitive and understanding than Russian men, and that he wouldn't have to be visiting Russia except that all the women in his own country have become bull dyke feminists.

The women he meets are almost always pros or semi-pros.

His idea of learning Russian is memorizing a few phrases from his tour guide on the plane from Paris to Moscow. Now do you actually believe that the 3 hours they invest in "learning" Russian is going to give them access to your Russian experience? You (Jake and Chercheur), when addressing typical mongers, are as venerable Shaolin masters are to peasants, and your suggestions on girl venues and practical stuff is doctrine, but advising typical mongers to "learn Russian"? If your typical monger lucks out and gets a chance to have a conversation with a "normal" Russian girl, he will be much better off playing the "practice English with me I'm a native speaker or good English speaker and I'm a sensitive male and a good listener and all I ask is you wear a short skirt" card, if indeed he can speak English well and can at least fake the sensitivity. Every single young Russian who aspires to a business career is trying to learn English these days, and your peasant monger can get a foot in the door with a "normal" Russian girl during the 7 days he's in Russia just by inviting her to practice her English with him.

[Jake993]

A great advantage of learning Russian is that the Russians love to be loved, and for them to learn their language is a proof of love, and I can see it in my relations with the women.

Ha, ha, ha you are so right. This is like an aphrodisiac for some Russian women. However, I do admit that some of the more cynical ladies see right through the ploy. But they appreciate the effort none the less.

[Chercheur]

Oh Gaspodi. 8 years is a long time.

Have you learned in a school or just by speaking on everyday (like I do). I am lazy to go to a language school.

Do you think it is possible to learn it by just speaking to Russians and watching movies / hearing Russian songs?

Which method would you recommend best?

IMHO I don't think you can learn a language which is as different as the Russian language just by speaking; the grammatical is specific, the words are not similar, and the way to talk is different.

On the opposite Portuguese is a Latin language and as a French speaker, I am leaning it just by speaking and reading a school book, 70% of the words are similar.

I start learning Russian at 50 by spending one month every year in a language school in Russia.

On the second year I could meet with only Russian speaking women, and maybe on the fourth year I could take the appointment by phone.

A great advantage of learning Russian is that the Russians love to be loved, and for them to learn their language is a proof of love, and I can see it in my relations with the women.

It is still sometimes difficult to find the Dom, the korpus and the Podvest, but that is not only due to a lack of understanding the lingo.

I quit taking course after 5 year, I should continue, but it is difficult for me because I speak good enough to spend some time in Russia and not enough to have a fluent conversation, and there is still a lot to study and to practice to get there. Now I am on pension, and I would like to find something consistent to do, part time, in Russia; anybody has an idea?

[Jake993]

Mamba is a gold mine.

I used Mamba with great success (in Moscow and SPB) for casual sexual encounters for several years and then had a string of bad luck so I stopped. But looking back, the greatest success was with girls (women) who were older than about 27. With younger girls, Mamba was a disaster. All kinds of mis-matched expectations. I agree with you Chercheur, if used correctly, Mamba can be a goldmine.

[SanGaetano]

I have been learning Russian for 8 years and it pays, if you speak only English, that reduces the number, but the best ones speak English (the real hookers too).

Oh Gaspodi. 8 years is a long time.

Have you learned in a school or just by speaking on everyday (like I do). I am lazy to go to a language school.

Do you think it is possible to learn it by just speaking to Russians and watching movies / hearing Russian songs?

Which method would you recommend best?

[Chercheur]

Mamba is a gold mine.

I use it in Moscow as an elderly man; it is full of women in their 30's and 40's who are attractive and sexually liberated, who have a normal job, decent money, 1 or 2 kids, and no husband or friend. They are very happy to meet a decent man and have sex.

I always pay to avoid any misunderstanding and any further disappointment, but maximum 10,000 rubles (150 $).

They know what is the purpose of the meeting and they accept it, so most of the times, if not every time, they get their clothes off right away, take a shower and we make love like real lovers, woooooo I love the Russian women.

No commitment, just if I want to see them again some time later, I just call them and we set up a meeting, and no question asked.

It is very easy to be busy every day.

I have been learning Russian for 8 years and it pays, if you speak only English, that reduces the number, but the best ones speak English (the real hookers too).