American Politics

[Elvis 2008]

When I originally posted my thought, I posted the following link.

Evidently you didn't read the link or couldn't read the link or missed the link or missed the part where I said "look at the last graph in the article". What does the last graph compare? All of the countries you mentioned above except Italy. And what does the graph show? That the US leads the pack in terms of COVID deaths per capita. Since Italy was not listed in the graph but since you inferred that the US did worse than Italy, look here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ What it shows is that the US fared worse than Italy in terms of COVID death per capita.

In the USA, it is 3071 versus 2745 in Italy. So what? Thing you Dems keep trying to do is make numbers like this reflect government competence.

That is funny because there were a million cases a day in this country in January. So why are the cases numbers low now than then? Because the government is doing a 20 X better job now?

That is the thing you dumb Dems always do. You take on an issue like saying a government can cure a cold virus or set the climate or cure the opioid crisis, and Republicans are assholes for not caring about it. So you run around pointing a finger at us and say, "You do not care", and the solution is always the same, more government control, more spending, and higher taxes, and the results time after time are a disaster.

If you are so stupid as to think government is the answer with Covid, then the Biden administration has done a horrible job, and the numbers show that Biden did way worse than Trump. I do not see that government interventions did all that much with regards to Covid. If you think we got our money's worth spending $9 trillion on Covid, you are fucking nuts.

[PVMonger]

I didn't say that. I simply said the results of such a comparison are very limited, and no better than other comparisons. Explain please what you expect to learn from comparing it to a country of equal wealth. What does wealth have to do with likely outcome? Absolutely nothing. Check out other wealthy countries such as UK, Italy, Spain, France. Through a dice and it would be more predictabble. You are thinking its a useful comparison, but it just isn't. There is no correlation between wealth and outcome. Loads of poor countries are the top and bottom.

'The only people who are too dumb to see that are Republicans. '.

People that make such ridiculous assertions are really the dumb ones.

When I originally posted my thought, I posted the following link: https://www.bbc.com/news/61333847.

Evidently you didn't read the link or couldn't read the link or missed the link or missed the part where I said "look at the last graph in the article". What does the last graph compare? All of the countries you mentioned above except Italy. And what does the graph show? That the US leads the pack in terms of COVID deaths per capita. Since Italy was not listed in the graph but since you inferred that the US did worse than Italy, look here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ What it shows is that the US fared worse than Italy in terms of COVID death per capita.

So, in terms of "wealthy country with similar age profiles" to the US, the US did worse than these other, similar, countries.

And, FYI, my comparison was between wealthy countries with similar age profiles to the US, not simply the US compared to other wealthy countries. If you read what I wrote, you will see that I clearly stated that assertion multiple times.

But go ahead, believe what you want.

[JustTK]

Ahhh, yes. The standard MAGA question, isn't it? Because Republicans like to frame everything as "freedom related" as opposed to "responsibility related".

Not "How much are you willing to do to protect everybody else"? The Republican answer would be I am willing to do nothing.

Not "What are you willing to do to prevent the healthcare system from breaking"? (The Republican answer would be I am willing to do nothing. ).

How about this? Your favorite watering hole has a "No shirt. No shoes. No Service." policy. When a shoeless, and shirtless person enters, do you 1. Beat the crap out of him? Or 2. Toss him out on his ear? Or 3. Offer to buy him a drink? You, of course, can't see the parallels but that's what makes you a good Republican. But don't worry because Tucker "Even my lawyer argued that nobody in their right mind should believe anything I say" Carlson doesn't get it either.

WTF are you talking about? You really have sunk down a deep pit of propaganda. Can you not discuss issues like a normal person instead of painting everything along (incorrect) political lines? If you knew my politics, you would know that you would be far nearert the tuth if you accussed Bernie Sanders of being of being a Republican. Bernie Sanders is a million miles to the right of me. Can't you appreciate that there is more than one vector? Maybe not from your responses. . But Right and Left is one axis of the politcal axis. That's Rep v Dem. Authority and liberty are on the other axis. This is where imposing regulations comes in. Its not Left or Right.

I am far, far left, and all for freedom. Stcik that in your blinkered Dem v Rep argumentation and smoke it. .

[JustTK]

Sure, let's compare the USA to a country whose average age is 55 as opposed to 38. The USA will appear much better. Or, let's compare the USA to a country that has an average yearly income of $500 USD. The USA will appear much better.
When someone publishes figures for vaccine hesitancy or by obesity, I'll take a look. But until then, "rich countries with a similar age demographic" is all there is. The only people who are too dumb to see that are Republicans.

I didn't say that. I simply said the results of such a comparison are very limited, and no better than other comparisons. Explain please what you expect to learn from comparing it to a country of equal wealth. What does wealth have to do with likely outcome? Absolutely nothing. Check out other wealthy countries such as UK, Italy, Spain, France. Through a dice and it would be more predictabble. You are thinking its a useful comparison, but it just isn't. There is no correlation between wealth and outcome. Loads of poor countries are the top and bottom.

'The only people who are too dumb to see that are Republicans. '.

People that make such ridiculous assertions are really the dumb ones.

[Gino02]

Nina Jankowicz has resigned from the Ministry of Truth and its operations have been suspended and may be completely shut down due to the widespread mockery of her insane singing and being exposed as a disinformation agent herself!

- Mark Dice on Twitter.

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch...rmation-board/

[PVMonger]

Right, right, right! Haha.

Yes, but you could make any other comparison that you wish to make. Why is demogrpahic or wealth, any better a comparison to many other factors you could choose? Why not compare the country with one that the same levels of obesity. Or same levels of vaccine hesitancy. Or same lack of publci health care?

But regardless, ypu are choosing to argue about smthg that is totally tangential to my post. Which was how much freedom are you prepared to give up to save lives?

Sure, let's compare the USA to a country whose average age is 55 as opposed to 38. The USA will appear much better. Or, let's compare the USA to a country that has an average yearly income of $500 USD. The USA will appear much better.

When someone publishes figures for vaccine hesitancy or by obesity, I'll take a look. But until then, "rich countries with a similar age demographic" is all there is. The only people who are too dumb to see that are Republicans.

[PVMonger]

You're right, it's complicated.

But as a simple guy, what's good for Umberto Eco is good for me. I've found 13 matching fascist features (out of 14) in modern Russia and at least 11 in the personality of Donald Trump. Can't go wrong IMHO.

https://www.openculture.com/2016/11/...f-fascism.html

I personally hate well-intentioned idiots as much as evil bigots.

Just don't vote. I know it's not ideal, but nothing is. It's dishonest for a centrist to go either way.

I'm interested in your opinion of which 3 of the 14 you don't ascribe to the Orange Buffoon.

[PVMonger]

Right, right, right! Haha.

Yes, but you could make any other comparison that you wish to make. Why is demogrpahic or wealth, any better a comparison to many other factors you could choose? Why not compare the country with one that the same levels of obesity. Or same levels of vaccine hesitancy. Or same lack of publci health care?

But regardless, ypu are choosing to argue about smthg that is totally tangential to my post. Which was how much freedom are you prepared to give up to save lives?

Ahhh, yes. The standard MAGA question, isn't it? Because Republicans like to frame everything as "freedom related" as opposed to "responsibility related".

Not "How much are you willing to do to protect everybody else"? The Republican answer would be I am willing to do nothing.

Not "What are you willing to do to prevent the healthcare system from breaking"? (The Republican answer would be I am willing to do nothing. ).

How about this? Your favorite watering hole has a "No shirt. No shoes. No Service." policy. When a shoeless, and shirtless person enters, do you 1. Beat the crap out of him? Or 2. Toss him out on his ear? Or 3. Offer to buy him a drink? You, of course, can't see the parallels but that's what makes you a good Republican. But don't worry because Tucker "Even my lawyer argued that nobody in their right mind should believe anything I say" Carlson doesn't get it either.

[MarquisdeSade1]

We could also argue who is literate and who is not.

Hahaha.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/white-...uciating-watch

[Xpartan]

But then it comes down to how you define "Fascist. " That's actually fairly complicated, with a historical context stretching back to the post WW I era.

You're right, it's complicated.

But as a simple guy, what's good for Umberto Eco is good for me. I've found 13 matching fascist features (out of 14) in modern Russia and at least 11 in the personality of Donald Trump. Can't go wrong IMHO.

https://www.openculture.com/2016/11/...f-fascism.html

And what about center and left-center voters who are faced with the choice between a MAGA candidate who pushes the whole catalog of wingnut conspiracy theories, including the great replacement theory, and one all hot for LGBTQ issues like allowing athletes born with XY chromosomes to play women's collegiate sports. That's where the phrase "hold your nose" often comes from.

I personally hate well-intentioned idiots as much as evil bigots.

Just don't vote. I know it's not ideal, but nothing is. It's dishonest for a centrist to go either way.

[JustTK]

You said "It's equally valid to compare USA to Aus, as it is to compare it to ay other country. " Wrong, wrong wrong!
The article compared the US to Australia because Australia has about the same population demographic and because Australia is a "rich" country.

Right, right, right! Haha.

Yes, but you could make any other comparison that you wish to make. Why is demogrpahic or wealth, any better a comparison to many other factors you could choose? Why not compare the country with one that the same levels of obesity. Or same levels of vaccine hesitancy. Or same lack of publci health care?

But regardless, ypu are choosing to argue about smthg that is totally tangential to my post. Which was how much freedom are you prepared to give up to save lives?

[Paulie97]

OK, maybe you're right. But voting for fascists leads to the same result whether a voter is fascist or not. Let's think about it from another angle. Can you imagine a liberal voting for a communist or Maoist or another leftist extremist? Hell, no. So what is it about right-wingers that makes them stick to the ideology while dismissing all warning signs?

For a conservative, voting for fascists like Trump or LE Pen even if only due to their tribal affiliations makes them at least enablers of fascism, IMHO.

But then it comes down to how you define "Fascist. " That's actually fairly complicated, with a historical context stretching back to the post WW I era. And what about center and left-center voters who are faced with the choice between a MAGA candidate who pushes the whole catalog of wingnut conspiracy theories, including the great replacement theory, and one all hot for LGBTQ issues like allowing athletes born with XY chromosomes to play women's collegiate sports. That's where the phrase "hold your nose" often comes from.

[Xpartan]

That 40% is schewed as LE Pen only got 23% in the first round with another far right candidate picking up 7.47 to 32% of Republicans (depending on how the polling questions are worded) believe the 2020 election was legit. Thus once down to a two way not all who voted for Trump is a MAGA fanatic or could be called a Fascist. The same can surely be said of those who voted for LE Pen in the final round.

OK, maybe you're right. But voting for fascists leads to the same result whether a voter is fascist or not. Let's think about it from another angle. Can you imagine a liberal voting for a communist or Maoist or another leftist extremist? Hell, no. So what is it about right-wingers that makes them stick to the ideology while dismissing all warning signs?

For a conservative, voting for fascists like Trump or LE Pen even if only due to their tribal affiliations makes them at least enablers of fascism, IMHO.

[JustTK]

You guys are just crazy, I think you want Covid to drag on forever, just like most liberal's. This is the main difference between Rep. And Dem....the bottom line is everyone did there best, nobody tried to kill people
Now we are dealing with the ramifications from the crazy ass lockdowns, and it is not good. ... You guys may get your wish and nobody will have jobs and will be living off the government.

Then you must have totally misunderstood my post. I didn't state an opinion on lcokdowns. Personally I am anti-lockdown and pro-public healthcare. That is a position of neither party. .

[Paulie97]

You guys are just crazy, I think you want Covid to drag on forever, just like most liberal's. This needs to end and we need to move forward. This is the main difference between Rep. And Dem. I think you guys really do not want Covid to end. You can argue who was write or wrong, the bottom line is everyone did there best, nobody tried to kill people, Covid was terrible for everyone.

Now we are dealing with the ramifications from the crazy ass lockdowns, and it is not good. Now we have Shortages and major supply chain issues. Many of shortages are being ignored by the media and the government.

Either way this is not good and we need solutions quickly before this spins out of control. You guys may get your wish and nobody will have jobs and will be living off the government.

As usual all you have to offer is straw men and personal attacks. Covid IS going to "drag on forever" as it is in the process of becoming endemic. Restrictions relieved stress on hospital systems, so bodies didn't flow out into the streets and beds were available for non-Covid related emergencies. Restrictions also bought us time to develop vaccines and effective treatments. Many countries struck a pretty good balance between maintaining a levels of freedom and economic activity while saving lives and relieving our healthcare systems.

P.S. Covid of course only wants a host and couldn't care less what label you attach to yourself, whether moderate, progressive, conservative, MAGA, or the "liberal" that conservatives over time turned into a pegorative. It's the right wing nuts that have been doing most of the politicizing, and that likely cost Trump the election. And this while they have killed off an unnecessary proportion of their voters, as red states as a whole have considering higher Covid death rates than the blue.

You guys are just crazy, I think you want Covid to drag on forever, just like most liberal's. This needs to end and we need to move forward. This is the main difference between Rep. And Dem. I think you guys really do not want Covid to end. You can argue who was write or wrong, the bottom line is everyone did there best, nobody tried to kill people, Covid was terrible for everyone.

Now we are dealing with the ramifications from the crazy ass lockdowns, and it is not good. Now we have Shortages and major supply chain issues. Many of shortages are being ignored by the media and the government.

Either way this is not good and we need solutions quickly before this spins out of control. You guys may get your wish and nobody will have jobs and will be living off the government.

As usual all you have to offer is straw men and personal attacks. Covid IS going to "drag on forever" as it is in the process of becoming endemic. Restrictions relieved stress on hospital systems, so bodies didn't flow out into the streets and beds were available for non-Covid related emergencies. Restrictions also bought us time to develop vaccines and effective treatments. Many countries struck a pretty good balance between maintaining levels of freedom and economic activity while saving lives and relieving our healthcare systems.

Covid of course only wants a host and couldn't care less what label you attach to yourself, whether moderate, progressive, conservative, MAGA, or the "liberal" that conservatives over time turned into a pejorative. It's the right wing nuts that have been doing most of the politicizing, and that likely cost Trump the election. They've also with their obstinance effectively and unnecessarily killed off a substantial proportion of their voters, as red states as a whole have much higher Covid death rates than the blue. Thus no one should be moved when they want to go online and sling mud.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/red-bl...ry?id=83649085