Sudan

[Crkmel]

Does any one have information on nightlife or mongering in Khartoum? I will be going their for work reasons for 12 months and it looks like there is no fun at all to be had! What can a guy do for fun?

[Johan Waans]

Visited Yei in Southern Sudan. Very undeveloped. Of course women are available : Ethiopians, Kenyans, Congolese and Ugandans. Juba is much more modern. Did not go there myself but talked to a lot of people about the place. Very expensive for accomodation and again many of the above mentioned nationalities available. The climate can be very hot and the local tribe (Dinka) does not have a very good reputation. Not really a mongering place in my opinion.

[Giordano Bruno]

I am planning a reconnaissance expedition to Juba in spring. Is anybody there on the ground? I am not a development worker, and this will be my personal adventure. That's why any information you could kindly share would be doubly valuable.

[Desertdog]

Southern Sudan?

[Desertdog]

What about southern Sudan. The Southsudanese girls in germany are beautiful. Anybody have advice on P4P in the south?

[Galloper1998]

Guys!

Help me out, I might be travellng to Khartoum for some long while. From the previous reports, it seems that there is no action at all. Please do help me out here. I need some action there for sure.

Thanks

Be careful man ! I heard that they cut the dick of the foreigners if any of them try to f.ck a sudanese woman. Easy go, easy come forget about the sex during your visit !

[Rooney]

Guys!

Help me out, I might be travellng to Khartoum for some long while. From the previous reports, it seems that there is no action at all. Please do help me out here. I need some action there for sure.

Thanks

[Jerulez]

Every body here go to Kampala or Entebbe for R&R. If you need gals there let me know and I will organise in Entebbe, Kampala, Nairobi, Mombasa and Lamu. All campus gals from makerere and mubs. Most are very sexy and pictures can send to you.

I see your popping up everywhere. Im still waiting on some pics of UG gals and some advice on going out and travelling in kampala. Please send.

[Jerulez]

Every body here go to Kampala or Entebbe for R&R. If you need gals there let me know and I will organise in Entebbe, Kampala, Nairobi, Mombasa and Lamu. All campus gals from makerere and mubs. Most are very sexy and pictures can send to you.

It seems you're the man with the plan. I'll be in kampala in a couple of months time. My host is a female friend so I'll be trying to dodge her if I have to sample the 'culinary' delights of kampala.

If you can, send me some pics of the ladies and advice/info about kampala. Clubs, hotels and prices etc

. And I hear UG has women with onion booty (a booty so BIG that it makes you cry). That is what I want to see and feel.

[Adnan Khalid]

Every body here go to Kampala or Entebbe for R&R. If you need gals there let me know and I will organise in Entebbe, Kampala, Nairobi, Mombasa and Lamu. All campus gals from makerere and mubs. Most are very sexy and pictures can send to you.

[Naked Gunz]

i'd like to read some message about suda, please.

war, [CodeWord123],famine..just turn on your tv. only 21 reports should speak volumes on p4p here.

[FoxesHunter]

I'd like to read some message about Suda, please.

[GoodEnough]

I'm not sure anyone will ever actually read this since to consider Juba as a vacation/hobby destination would mean that someone has actually been to every other country in the world and needed to round off his list by coming here. However, while the country is a desert, it's not a sexual wasteland and there are actually lots of women if you know where to look.

The country itself is a wasteland, basically scrub desert cut here and there by deeply-rutted, often water-filled dirt roads, each with a perpetual dust cloud hanging over it. I doubt there are more than 1,000 cars in the city, most of them owned by various development agencies. There's no way to get around without a car and there do not appear to be any private cars for hire, so if you do not have access to a vehicle, you're screwed. There are a couple of hundred guys who offer rides on motorcycles, but given the condition of the roads and the hostility of some locals to foreigners, taking advantage of such transport would be risky.

There are people working here from several East African countries including Kenya, Uganda and Ethiopia and the available women hail from these countries as well, in addition to the Sudanese women. A word of caution about the latter. Though the Sudanese women are available and willing, I'm told that Sudanese men do not take kindly to foreigners messing with their women and you could be asking for real trouble if you decide to sample the local talent. I've not seen any direct evidence of this but I have heard stories and at any rate there's no reason to take the risk since there are so many other women available from other countries in the region.

There are women everywhere. Many, if not most of the women working in the various camps (there are no real hotels) are from Kenya or Uganda, and, like most places in Africa, it's easy to strike up conversations with them and to make dates. As I described in my last post, there's also a large, open air nightclub/disco/restaurant called Intra Africa where the women tend to show up around 10 PM. I have taken two from there: one an adorable 21 year old Kenyan and the other a 22 year old Congolese. I had a nice experience each time. The girls stayed overnight, were in no hurry at all to leave and the service was okay. Neither girl had lots of experience, but they more than made up for this lack with their enthusiasm and sweetness. Like everything else in Juba, the prices are high and the girls will not settle for less than $50. This is understandable in a country where a case of coke costs $48.

There's another, much more upscale bar - restaurant - disco called Home and Away where the "normal" women seem to congregate, looking to be wined, dined and eventually bedded. I've not yet tried the place but I'm told by friends that on Friday and Saturday nights it's packed with women. It's got two or three rooms, one of which is a restaurant where four friends of mine managed to drop $250 on dinner for what I'm sure was mediocre food. When I go, I will stick to the bar area.

This is such a desolate place that it's tough to give directions since nothing is marked and since there are no buildings other than tin shanties, there are also no memorable landmarks by which to steer yourself. If you do find yourself here, it's best to get friendly fast with some guys who have been here for a while and know their way around. You will never find anything on your own since the dirt roads all look alike and there's no street lighting---perhaps because there's no electrical generating capacity. Every place has its own generator.

This place has been wracked by more than 20 years of vicious civil war between the north and south, and the Sudanese--uneducated for the most part and illiterate--are highly suspicious of foreigners. For this reason alone it's better never to travel alone and you would be far safer with two or three other people. My closest friends here are two Kenyan guys and even they do not get free passes and are looked at with the same degree of suspicion that I am.

I have now been to the Ethiopian restaurant a couple of times and was actually "offered" one of the young waitresses who, through an intermediary, gave me her cell phone number. The intermediary, one of the Ethiopian male waiters, told me that she could meet me on her day off. I shied away however since during the two or three conversations I had with the young woman, she kept asking if I would buy her a cell phone. Some warning bell deep in the more atavistic part of my brain that's interested in survival warned me not to get involved. Even her mother seemed interested in my establishing some sort of relationship with her 18 year old daughter. No thanks. Don't want to wind up hostage to a large Ethiopian family with high financial expectations. The restaurant is called Queen of Sheba, and it's not unattractive though it will cost you $15-$20 for meal which, in Addis Ababa, would cost $3-$5. But the people are friendly and the atmosphere is quite laid back.

I also got taken to another camp owned by Ugandans, and featuring Ethiopian music sung by semi-attractive Ethiopian women. Since to me, Ethiopian music sounds much like the yowling of a cat with it's tail caught in an electrical outlet I did not hang around for the entertainment, but I'm told that several women on the make (non-Ethiopians) are available later in the evening. The place is in a large, non-airconditioned tent and the night I was there it was pretty warm.

The best thing I can say about Juba is that you can survive here, but you have got to know people; you've got to have access to a vehicle, and you've got to bring lots of money with you. There are no ATMs here and though there's at least one bank, it often runs out of dollars. There's no haggling about money changing; the rate is two Sudanese pounds to the dollar and dollars are accepted and changed everywhere. Your only choices for accommodation are one or the other of the various camps set up along the Nile. In many, if not most cases this will mean sleeping in an air-conditioned tent with its own toilet facilities. In my case, I have one of the few "hard" accommodations with 24/7 Internet, a TV that gets 5 cable channels, and various other small amenities. It costs $220 a day to give you and idea of the prices. Needless to say, I'm not the one who is paying.

There are lots and lots of development workers here from all over the world and at least half of them seem to be women, so that's another potential source and you might get lucky. Since most are western women in their 20's, I'm sure they would be "shocked" at an approach from a guy my age. Therefore, I haven't even tried as I vaguely remember that these types of sexual encounters are not as common in the lexicon of western women as they are in the Philippines, where I live, or in Africa.

In closing, I'll reiterate what I said in an earlier post: there's absolutely no reason to come here voluntarily. However, if circumstances find you here you can survive and you can manage to have a decent time.

Less than two weeks to go and counting till I get back to Nairobi and then the Philippines.

GE

[GoodEnough]

This will probably be my last report from here, and judging from the lack of action on this board, additional reports will probably be un-necessary in any case.

I've become friendly with two Kenyan engineers working here for my company and staying at the same camp (yes camp) as I am. Last night we went out to a place called the Hotel Intra Africa, which is nothing but another down-market camp. There's a sort of club there, out in the open air, set out with plastic tables and chairs, with a roofed dance floor. By midnight, I would estimate that there were 500-600 people packing the place and there were women from Kenya. Congo, and Uganda, as well as the Sudan, trolling for clients. Plenty of women, and plenty of chances.

I got a few incredulous stares since out of the 5-600 people, I was the sole white guy, but everyone (with one exception) was friendly. I did see a couple of nasty fist fights, which, I am told, in normal, and the Sudanese Military Police (heavily armed) were in and out of the place frequently. The recorded music was loud and the sound system sucked, but, for the most part, it was pleasant.

I started talking to a 23 year old from Congo, whose French was at best rudimentary, which made conversation difficult. Over a couple of beers she insisted she wanted nothing more in life than to leave with me, but once she excused herself to go dance for the last time, she didn't return, and I got bored and left. My Kenyan companions each wound up with women from Uganda and brought them back to the camp.

As we were leaving, some skinny Sudanese guy got pretty hostile, telling me I was a foreigner and I better behave in his country. I think he might have been looking for some sort of physical confrontation, but the Kenyan guys with whom I had come, one of whom is extremely large, told the guy to fuck off, which he promptly did. I guess the lesson here is, if by any stroke of misfortune, you find yourself in this place, and you decide to break the monotony by going to Intra Africa, do not even think of going alone. Even the my Kenyan friends told me that they get hassled all the time since the locals know that they're foreigners.

My friends also showed me an Ethiopian restaurant called Queen of Sheba which was not actually too bad. Full of Ethiopian men and a couple of Ethiopian waitresses who may or may not be available. Apparently, it's pretty popular with the expat crowd and it does have real Ethiopian coffee, which is nice. I'm told that there's another place, called Home and Away, where the more middle class African women go to meet people. I will probably check it out eventually just to relieve the total boredom if nothing else.

Given the warning in an article in yesterday's New York Times that a new north-south civil war may be imminent here, coupled with the utter desolation of the place, there's no reason to include this on your list of "must see" towns.

GE

[GoodEnough]

I did promise to report after I arrived here, so here goes. First, the place is a shit hole. There's almost nothing here: no real hotels, no clubs, and very few actual real buildings. Unless you've already seen every other country in the world there is no reason to come here and most of the people here (like me) are in some sort of development work. The arrival of development workers, with dollars to spend has driven prices through the roof. A small bottle of drinking water costs $1 and a case of coke costs $48. The only accommodations available for foreigners are in "camps" owned by expatriates. The cost of staying in one of these places, with accommodations that you would never consider if you were anywhere else in the world, cost more than $100 a night including three meals.

At these kinds of prices, and with this kind of scarcity, you can imagine what the price of sex is. There are women available, mostly Ugandans, who charge between $50 and $100 a night! I've not sampled and, at those prices, I'm unlikely to do so any time soon. The one guy I know who did pay the tariff said the service was not worth the cost he paid.

Bottom line? No reason to come and every reason to stay away.

GE