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06-04-11 22:04 #8374
Posts: 1085Suppose the prices were double or triple in AC and every girl was a total spoiled.
Amject, What are they now. Unspoiled *
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06-04-11 21:53 #8373
Posts: 50Originally Posted by Westcoast1 [View Original Post]
It's kind of hard to say you disagree then go on to say the same thing I just said "at the end of the night the girls bag about 1000-1500", you just said the girl gets 1000. Anyways, I was talking very very general terms for Cebu in an AC thread. I'm sure any city has a wide range of operating parameters. You can choose to tip there or not but I can say 100% for sure, if you do not then you are considered tihik.
I guess your other arguments are valid for girls that do not get much action, maybe barfine 2 or 3 times per month. If a girl knows she can do short time and run back to bar and get another customer, she is going to bolt, especially if she knows you're not giving her a tip. Again, we are talking Cebu here, AC seems to have a different MO. I don't have to barfine or tip in Cebu anymore so it's not an issue for me.
It all comes down to this. I have talked to many girls in Cebu, Manila, AC, and as I said even gf's. I'm not expecting anyone to take what I say as gospel and we can all find some exceptions. But. 95% of the girls I have asked, without question, would rather go with Koreans, especially in Manila and more exactly in MBC. They have a saying for the Koreans "3-3-3".3 inches. 3 minutes. 3000p! The same is true in Cebu, AC or any other place. It's always about the money and it's always going to be about the money. Some do prefer white guys, they say we are nicer or they just prefer our looks, etc. Some are looking to get married and go West out of Phil.
My only question to the AC regulars about tipping is this. If you never tip and you pay the same barfine for ST as LT, what does the girl care to run after one pop, back to bar and get another customer? I can't say I would blame her. I'm just asking, not trying to p1ss anyone off. If that's the way it is in AC then that's fine by me.
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06-04-11 20:16 #8372
Posts: 6836Not necessarily
Originally Posted by Cyber Whip [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Cyber Whip [View Original Post]
In your mind, its easy to rationalize that kind of thinking, that the girls getting a tip will perform better. That's not necessarily true. The same girl you barfine who gets p1000+500 tip from you, will come over to me on her evening off and get 1000+jeep (or afternoon p500+jeep) , and repeat it with me with a good level of performance (obviously I don't accept repeats of bad performers). If the girl has a choice of going with Cyber (higher pay) and myself, she will choose Cyber. But if she has no customer at the moment, she will go with almost any customer, even if he does not pay much.
An analogy. My brother has a successful business now. Previously, for some years, the business struggled. Currently, he only accepts clients that can pay well, and pay now. He has, in his mind, a way of calculating profit. He will hardly even return a phone call or email from a potential customer if he does not see a healthy profit for his service on a particular job. He can afford to be without work this week (or longer). Its not worth his time to take a job that, after expenses, profits only $100 (chump change). On the other hand, when the business was younger, he could not afford to be without work. If two clients called on the same day, he would take the job that calculated the larger profit. If he had no work that day, he would take ANY job, even if the profit was $10. ANY profit is profit. When you have a mouth (or mouths) to feed, you don't turn work down (referrals and repeats are important).
Which of these two categories do the girls fall into? The second category (she and her biz are young, she has mouths to feed). She would be happy with Cyber's barfine of 1000+500 tip, and she will be fine with my 1000+jeep. She will not necessarily perform better for Cyber than for me (she's already repeating and performing well for me, and learning my likes / dislikes).
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06-04-11 19:17 #8371
Posts: 50Originally Posted by Amjeck [View Original Post]
In comparison, Manila girls will almost always "negotiate" 1000-2000 tip in the EDSA bars, else they won't go, that has been my experience, they get nothing from the barfine.
Cebu is more of a mixed bag, but at the end of the night the girl generally gains 1000-1500 total between barfine cut and tip. That is the general rule unless you are Korean, then its easily triple that number to the girl, they just don't care.
I profess that we must tip something for the better girls otherwise there is no benefit for a great performance. They would all just be runners because they give your one pop then they are out, they already have their money and you can't complain to mamasan. Are you kidding me? Why in the world would they go LT with you when they could do 3 or 4 ST in a night, for the better looking girls? They ain't doing this because they like you, most are living on a bag of chips and a coke a day, most live on less than 100 pesos per day. I could however agree to 0 for runner. 100 for good ST, maybe 200-400 for LT good experience. I have dated some of these girls for long periods, I know how they think, it's all about the money to them.
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06-04-11 18:50 #8370
Posts: 1454Originally Posted by Botaki6 [View Original Post]
But to tell everyone not to tip is like telling everyone to wear a condom. People will do what they want always.
I don't believe in spoiling anyone in the 3rd world. Let's face it, places like AC are good because they are cheap. Suppose the prices were double or triple in AC and every girl was a total spoiled *****. Would you still patronize the place? Spoiling the pinoys ads zero benefit. Keep them poor and needy or else they won't need mongers any more.
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06-04-11 18:44 #8369
Posts: 1454Originally Posted by Natty Bumpo [View Original Post]
I find it the other way around. From my experience, Thais never ask or expect tips, but AC pinos do.
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06-04-11 18:22 #8368
Posts: 592Originally Posted by Fast Eddie 48 [View Original Post]
"- 0 for runners, real crappy performance."
So not sure why that comment was directed at us.
On another note.
So what is a really good performer? How about if she stays with you 24 hours a day (taking the girl multiple days of course) and initiate more rounds than you can handle. To the point where your say: no more! My dick is too sore.
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06-04-11 17:56 #8367
Posts: 50Originally Posted by Fast Eddie 48 [View Original Post]
Sounds like I have been to generous for LT, maybe I should be tipping in the 500-700 range for LT and good performance. I'll have to give that a go next time and see the response.
To the guys that say "no way, no tip, ever", I like to think of it as an incentive. Obviously, the girl is not aware that I am going to tip her to start with, so yeah, maybe they are surprised that I will tip. I like the girl to know, or at least think in her mind, that her great effort to please a guy might pay off. Especially if I plan on taking her again. Same principal as tipping in restaurants. Really, a $3-$5 tip ain't going to make a big difference to me. If a girl is LT and only a fair a performer, then yeah she is getting 500 or less. It really depends on the situation. I guess I could make it something like 200 a pop, after the first one.
I don't agree dropping a lot of cash to have fun, there are at least 6000 girls on Field's alone, granted most are not lookers, but at the end of the night the result is all the same. But I do like to throw a small incentive for a great experience.
Definitely would like to hear more opinions on tipping, especially in AC. I plan to make many more trips there soon.
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06-04-11 17:18 #8366
Posts: 376Originally Posted by Natty Bumpo [View Original Post]
Anyway this is the AC thread not Pattaya. My week in AC the first girl I took I walked her back to her boarding house in the morning. Talking to members here before my trip I was wary of overtipping. She did not seem to expect a tip and she was already home so I did not give her one. The next night I got a runner so there was no chance for a tip. The next night I met an Australian guy and then met him for breakfast after. He gave his girl a substantial tip (700-1000 I think) and thus shamed me into tipping my girl 400. After that I gave my LT girls 200-300 and ST nothing and everyone seemed happy with that. My last 2 nights were spent with the same girl including my last night which was her night off. I did not tip her after the first night and gave her 1500 when she left. I figured she would normally get around 700 from her share of the EWR so that would work out to around an 800 tip for 2 nights. I do not know if she thought that was fair or not but she pesters me now all the time via email wondering when I am coming back.
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06-04-11 17:04 #8365
Posts: 985Never ever!
Never ever tip. Its a bad habit of simple minded people to increase their mediocre status in the society.
Did you ever tip your dentist if he pulls a teeth?
Did you ever tip your mechanic for changing oil on your wreck?
Did you ever tip your wife for serving you?
Why then tipping a working girl for a job done on a price agreed earlier? Not logic for me at all.
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06-04-11 16:11 #8364
Posts: 3040Originally Posted by Amjeck [View Original Post]
In my 5 day first time AC trip, I exclusively took girls out of small Fields Street Bars like Dirty Duck, Gecko, Lollipops, and Body Shop. The EWR was always 1500p. Every AC Filipina bar girl showed me a good time in the bar and at my hotel. I had no runners or non performers. I tipped the girls 200p or 300p each. They appreciated it, but I got the feeling that they did not really expect it unlike their Thai cousins. From my experience then, I recommend tipping 200p to 300p for a 1500p EWR bar girl (13% to 20%) but only if she shows you a good time. Don't be stingy. These girls deserve a little something extra when they do a good job. On the other hand, a tip should be strictly at the discretion of the customer. Do not reward less than very good performance. You do not have to tip if you do not want to.
I agree that flipping an AC bar girl a 1000p tip to be a little crazy. That works out to a 33% tip for a 3000p EWR showgirl or a ridiculous 67% tip for a 1500p EWR girl. But it is up to the guy. Those big tippers must perceive some kind of return on their extravagance or they are just irrational. I don't think it impacts the market too much. The girls view these big tippers as a rarity.
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06-04-11 14:36 #8363
Posts: 1454Originally Posted by Kirra Dude [View Original Post]
Now I know why AC girls are so bitchy. These tips are so high, but I guess this is today's AC, not yesterdays. Everything changes!
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06-04-11 12:03 #8362
Posts: 698Don't buy LDs
Originally Posted by Apeman 28 [View Original Post]
Of course, the romantics among us won't like this idea, but they probably shouldn't be mongering in the first place.
Other guys have mentioned on here to chose the girl that "picks you", and that's an option too, but I've found that most of those girls look like dogs. They have to be aggressive to make any money. But, that's an option as well.
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06-04-11 10:53 #8361
Posts: 12Thanks Cyber whip
So I guess the both places end up fairly similar in price for the girls. Cool. I can't wait to get there. I must admit I'm a big fan of choclate big brown nipples and know that Thai birds nips are sensationally big and choclate. Have checked the pinay girls and you seem to get I some of those higher priced girls. There is one place that is a complete rip-off, can'ta wide selection so something to look foreward too. Thanks for the info. Hoping for an October landing so might see ya there. Remember the name but its a big place in the back of another place, anyways the barfine was something crazy like 4000+ and the girls there for the most part didn't seem to be any nicer than the ones in the smaller joints. 1500 price. It seems most places the girl gets about half the barfine.
Everyone has their own opinions on tipping but my experience is:
0-500 for short time or runners, depending on the experience.
500-1000 for long time, again depending on the service.
Most time the girl is very appreciative that I give them anything, so these numbers may be high, or it was just my false impression.
Also, one other thing, they like to call it "early work release" instead of barfine there. Technically you are buying a certain number of lady drinks, usually 10, to allow her to leave the bar. Unfortunately you don't actually get those drinks and the girl. .
Like I said, I have limited time there, so feel free to correct me on any of these numbers. I have a "regular contact" working there, so, I can get some additional info if you need it. Looking forward to getting back there very soon for extended stay. [/QUOTE]
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06-04-11 09:39 #8360
Posts: 74Days of the week
Does the bar scene especially on Fields differ much according to the day of the week? Are certain days busier with more customers, and are certain days better for overall selection of the ladies? I mainly come to Angeles during the week (Monday. Thursday) and I wonder if things are different on Friday / Saturday.