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[Climaxnow]

I agree with Latexian2, just for freebies UA is cheaper, but less exotic. But I guess a person who went to Tashkent alone was not only in search of pussy, otherwise why to go there just to date girls? Prosal, and I think I am not wrong, is looking for something different, he wants to go where the other did not go and reading his reports about TSK I am pretty sure he has game enough to be successful with girls there, that's why I suggested him RU instead "turistic" UA.

However if the budget is 150 euro per day, well, that's more than fine!

Accomodation something like 40-50 euro per day is quiet "easy" to be find, not the first day, but once there definetely yes.

I did not spent 50 euro per day to eat and I do not eat at Mc Donalds

I cooked often dinner at my apartment, first cause doing this 2-3 times per week you save something and second cause the best past I ate in provincial russia was the one I cooked with my hands and third is a nice idea to suggest to women, come to my place I will cook something nice for you and we will have romantic dinner together.

Then considering in 2 months you do not take 60 hookers, but average 30, one day yes, one day not, for me 150 euro is enough budget.

I used all the time this: http://www.S7.ru/en/ and Moscow Ufa is about 180 euro round trip, not bad for me.

I spent about 8-9.000 euro in 2 months, I got 24 hookers and I spent the last 3 weeks in Piter.

WOW!

I guess for business, so please tell me, how many freebies at the end you was able to date? I mean after the first month, you stop to pay pros, you had more than enough normal girls right?

Ok, I finished to hate Samara, as I wrote, but hey, half year in the same city in provincial russia. If I can write one book, you can write a library man!

Please tell us some stories, we are very curious and I am sure it will help Prosal to decide too.

Thanks in advance!

Let's not down McDonalds. It was my savior in Moscow.

[Eros74]

I agree with Latexian2, just for freebies UA is cheaper, but less exotic. But I guess a person who went to Tashkent alone was not only in search of pussy, otherwise why to go there just to date girls ? Prosal, and I think I am not wrong, is looking for something different, he wants to go where the other did not go and reading his reports about TSK I am pretty sure he has game enough to be successful with girls there, that's why I suggested him RU instead "turistic" UA.

However if the budget is 150 euro per day, well, that's more than fine !

Accomodation something like 40-50 euro per day is quiet "easy" to be find, not the first day, but once there definetely yes.

I did not spent 50 euro per day to eat and I do not eat at Mc Donalds

I cooked often dinner at my apartment, first cause doing this 2-3 times per week you save something and second cause the best past I ate in provincial russia was the one I cooked with my hands and third is a nice idea to suggest to women, come to my place I will cook something nice for you and we will have romantic dinner together.

Then considering in 2 months you do not take 60 hookers, but average 30, one day yes, one day not, for me 150 euro is enough budget.

I used all the time this: http://www.s7.ru/en/ and Moscow Ufa is about 180 euro round trip, not bad for me.

I spent about 8-9.000 euro in 2 months, I got 24 hookers and I spent the last 3 weeks in Piter....

...I will say this, I spent almost half a year in Samara...

WOW !

I guess for business, so please tell me, how many freebies at the end you was able to date ? I mean after the first month, you stop to pay pros, you had more than enough normal girls right ?

Ok, I finished to hate Samara, as I wrote, but hey, half year in the same city in provincial russia.... if I can write one book, you can write a library man !

Please tell us some stories, we are very curious and I am sure it will help Prosal to decide too.

Thanks in advance !

[Latexian2]

BTW Latexian, bumped on your post in the Ukraine threads. Which East Ukraine city (with a decent weekdays nightlife, something primordial for me) would you recommend for a long stay ?

What are your thoughts about Donetsk?

Prosal unfortunately the only Eastern Ukrainian city I've spent appreciable time in was Sumy. It's an okay city though, with at least some nightlife during the week (although there is probably better in Donetsk, Kharkiv, and Dnepropetrovsk).

Maybe Lukasek is right though. I will say this, I spent almost half a year in Samara and never met a single native English speaker (not a single American, Brit, or Aussie). And I went to clubs a lot.

Even in small towns in provincial Ukraine you will run into Europeans and Americans (often connected with marriage agencies).

Lukasek is right to point out that in Russian cities that are far from Moscow the very fact that they aren't accessible means there are very few foreigners. There are some exceptions, like Tyumen and other oil-centered regions, but lots of bigger cities without those kind of industries have almost no foreigners.

The problem, of course, as you pointed out is that provincial Russia is no longer cheap, and considering what you get for your money (hotels, restaurants) it's ridiculously overpriced. Hotels in provincial Russia are more expensive than provincial USA (think Mississippi) and so are restaurants, and the quality is much lower.

So if you're going after freebies, and you are young, have good game, are good looking and have money to burn, provincial Russia could be a gold mine.

But let's be honest, a big reason why girls in the FSU are interested in foreigners is money, and in Ukraine the economic situation really works to your advantage, both for pros and for freebies. Even if you're not promising marriage, just treating a girl to a good time is much, much cheaper in Ukraine than in Russia.

[Eros74]

Just few comments:

I saw snowing in Ufa at beginning of october....

I paid just a bit more than turistic visa, +80 or 90 euro, to get 3 months business visa for russia, I registered not every time, not in every city and even if here in many said I could have problem, they checked every pages of my passport but none problems at airport when I left.

To me provincial russia fascinates million times more than provincial ukraine and it is not only difference in my mind I guess, in Ufa, as Kurenda said, you are after Urals, almost closer to China than to Europe, you see that, you feel that.... in Ukraine even in Uzhorod or Nikolaev I have the feeling I was in Europe or at least just a couple of hours from the biggest european capital. So Prosal if you have 60 days of time, go there where is more far... in future you will have no problem to visit all Ukraine, but probably in future you will be more lazy to go to or close to Sibiria, the kind of travel, that as I saw, you have to decide and to go, cause if you keep on thinking about, you will end to turistic places, where it is easier to stay, but probably you won't get the same vibe provincial russia can give you.......IMHO.

The last... if I was you Prosal, go to provincial russia, if you will not like, ok it was just un unforgettale experience and you can then put your money, time and energy to Ukraine, Minsk and so on.... but consider that maybe you will like it and you will plan the second travel to russia provincies as I do....

P.S. better we do not forget Prosal was one of the very few here to go all alone to Tashkent and he was very successfull, his report is still one of the better of TSK

[Kurenda]

Three months belarus visa you can get , with additional documentation, hassle and high price. Forget it. Also Minsk will tour out too expencive on long term and simply forget about belarusian provinces.
Chernigov? Simply forget about it. All quality girls are already in Kiev, the city is Bible belt, people are very religious, city is full of of old orthodox churches and monasteries. Many people there told me they met their partner in church he he.
Kharkov can be a good option since there's a lot of students. Even if your russian is bad still you can manage with your french. Plenty Third World students, including Morroco and Algier where your french comes to action. You can be sure those girls left their muslim upbringing back home.
150 Euro a day budget is high so it will take you lots of money. But it depends on your needs. I spent 100 Euro a month for a 4 months stay in Norilsk. But I had a free stay and food.
The best is that you contact some apartment agencies to see what price you can get for a long stay term. For example in Ufa I met a Englishman who rented apartment there for a three moths. The price was 600$ a month but he also had to pay monthly bill for electricity, gas, water, phone, etc. Decent one room, kitchen, bathroom in wider city center.

[Prosal]

An interesting destination for mongers that find Kiev too expensive, Odessa full of money *****s, and who don't feel ready to just go off to some random industrial Ukrainian town.

BTW Latexian, bumped on your post in the Ukraine threads. Which East Ukraine city (with a decent weekdays nightlife, something primordial for me) would you recommend for a long stay ?

What are your thoughts about Donetsk?

[Prosal]

My thoughts for Proposal.

Minsk? Since you want to stay for a two months it will be hard to get a visa unless you have a registered business there. Tourist visa is for 30 days max so forget about Minsk.

From what people at embassy told me, you can stay up to three monthes (which is the max period allowed each year in Belarus) on a touristic visa. You have the adequate LOI though.

Thanks for your answer anyway. I'm fascinated by provincial Russia, but more and more, from the answers of the specialists here, I'm afraid that it could be financially suicidal for a two-monthes stay.

[Prosal]

if you are at all concerned with cost i would strongly, strongly urge you to go to ukraine instead.

thanks latexian for this elaborate and useful answer.

admittedly, as i plan a two monthes trip, budget is a matter of prime importance. my budget for per day expenditures (including accommodation) is about 150€, which means that i don't want to spend more than 9000€ for the whole trip. and 150€/day including accommodation means no or few p4p, no financially suicidal raids in strip bars, no dates in excessively fancy places, ect. just accommodation, "normal" dating expenses and clubbing (i'm a rather thirsty and prodigal party-goer). so effectively, i focused on russia because i'm fond of russian women and russian culture, but budget-wise, ukraine (or belarus) could be a more appropriate option. you've been to chernigov already btw ? ...an internet contact told me that any decent-looking foreigner showing-up would be immediatly raped by long-legged dyevuski (she also secondarily told me that it was one of the most enjoyable city in ukraine with many reminders of the past).

thanks again anyway.


ps : i'm not american, but francais

[Kurenda]

My thoughts for Proposal...
Minsk? Since you want to stay for a two months it will be hard to get a visa unless you have a registered business there. Tourist visa is for 30 days max so forget about Minsk. Most probably you will soon get bored there.
Ufa or Samara? Personally I prefer Samara for some reson but Ufa is better monger wise. But you all forgot one thing. Proposal wants to go there during November - January both this places will be cold with lots of snow. Especially Ufa which is just under Ural.
Also because of recent fires Samara region is pretty fucked up, lots of ashes floating around.
I can suggest Vladivostok which is ok for winter or maybe Astrahan.
But I must agree with Latexian. For a longer holiday Russia is difficult because you'll need to arrange long term visa, registration, etc. Ukraine is definitelly cheaper. This long period is ukrainian provinces can be hard uless you have good knowledge of russian and local support in the meaning of knowing local people. Eastern Ukraine can be fun but mongers like to avoid this area. Just check reports from this area, they are rare. Lugansk (scam capital of Ukraine) is to be avoided definitelly, Kharkov is big enough to offer something. I'd go with Dnepropetrovsk probably. Or Lvov? Much better to be one of the few mongers in Lvov than one of thousands in Kiev or Odessa. Close enough to border so you can make a quick trip to Poland, Slovakia or Hungary just for the change or atmosphere.
If you choose russian provinces it will be hard to do it unless you want to spent like whole days in the train or spending your budget on air ticket.

[Latexian2]

Thanks Dogger,

It's unfortunatly fucking expensive. Accommodation is what keeps me away from provincial Russia. NO WAY I going to pay 130€ for a 3/4 stars Soviet hotel when one can get the Shangri-La Bangkok or the Grand Hyatt Jakarta for the same price (not that I have any desire to go to SEA this winter, just to say). Of course, apartments are the best way to go in this EE and FSU, but booking an apartment for two weeks in a place where you don't know in advance if you'll not going to be bored silly during weekdays is risky.

Fucking dilemma. I decided to take loooong vacations somewhere in FSU (and to leave Uzbek dyevs for a while) from Nov 5 till January 9 and I'm fucking procrastinating. Accommodation budget is at most 50€/day. Luka, any thoughts?. Could Minsk be the best alternative?. What was your experience with weekays nightlife in Ufa and Samara?

I just saw your post Prosal. There is not much night life during the week in Samara, but during the summer the embankment is good at least until 1:00am or so. That one club, Metelitsa, has 3 floors but during the week at least the first floor is always okay (at least 20-30 girls will be there). This info is from July.

If you are at all concerned with cost I would strongly, strongly urge you to go to Ukraine instead. There are still untapped smaller cities in Ukraine where foreigners have just as much of a bonus as in provincial Russia. In fact I would say more so, since you don't see as much anti-Americanism (if you're American).

For example, the town of Romny in Sumy oblast (pop. 50,000) where I spent a few nights has only one club, but it's open 7 nights a week and is dirt cheap. I showed up every night and one night hosted a whole table of girls celebrating a birth day, the total bill was something like $70 (for champagne, chocolate, food, cocktails, etc. etc.). A hotel room there was $12 a night for a luks room (standard room was $7/night. And this was in 2009.

By comparison, in a small town of 50,000 people in Russia where I spent two nights in 2010 I had a hotel room for $30 a night and it was absolutely terrible. I mean unbelievably bad. There was only one toilet in the entire hotel and it was in one of the rooms, so you had to knock and ask permission of that guest to use the toilet.

Or compare train prices. A kupe ticket from Moscow to Samara is about 4,000 rubles ($120) for a 14 hour ride, while kupe from Kiev to Lviv is $20 (for a 10 hour ride). Beer in Samara is about 100 rubles at clubs ($3.50) but only 6 hrivnya in provincial Ukrainian clubs ($0.80). Hotels are correspondingly cheaper. Another example, the tram or bus in Samara is 15 rubles a ride ($0.50) but in Kiev the metro is only $0.25 (and in the provinces the buses are a lot less than that).

I spent a night out in a small Ukrainian town recently trying to find a good club (on a Friday). I took 4 taxis around the town, had 5-6 beers, a pack of cigarettes, and payed entrance at one of the clubs, and all of that was under $15 (which is what entrace costs at some clubs in Samara).

And Ukraine has some other perks that are just a hassle in Russia, for example there is no registration in Ukraine (which can be a pain if you are renting a private flat in Russia). Also in Russia, to buy a local SIM card you need local registration, so you might have to wait a few days after arriving to be able to call girls at all. In Ukraine it's just $5 cash for a SIM card no questions asked. And of course for EU citizens and Americans you don't even need a visa, which is a huge plus.

I think the main thing is to avoid the places in Ukraine that are just overloaded with mongers (Kiev and Odessa in particular). Western Ukraine also seems to not be as good in terms of girls, I think mainly because their attitude is more standoffish and they dress more modestly as well. But there are lots of Eastern Ukrainian cities where most people are Russian-speaking and their incomes are 1/3 of what people are making in Russia. I was just in Ukraine and met a group of girls working at the local shopping mall in a smaller city, and they all made less than $120 a month for 6 days a week working. In provincial Russia they would be making at least $400 a month.

But you could pick some unvisited cities. Have you heard of Priluky? What about Kramatorsk? Shostka?

If I had two months and could go anywhere in the FSU, I'd pick a small Ukrainian city like that where you could live like a king on $1000/month, and for another $1000 a month you could probably sponsor 3-4 girls.

[Latexian2]

Ufa or Samara ? Very easy question !

Samara suuuuuuucks !

There were many villages that grew up and become one city that was called Samara, so there is not one center ! Or well it is, but it is only one 300 metrs street ! Remember in Samara I needed one hour from my apartment to go to center by taxi during rush hour.... the best clubs are one far from the other... you will write sms to meet with one girl and she will tell you she lives too far from center to come to meet you....it happened to me many times in Samara....too little streets, too many cars, too complicated !

I've spent a lot of time in Samara and while the above is true, it's still an okay city for freebies and for mongering (ask any taxi driver). The only two clubs during the week that work are Polyot (DON'T GO HERE -- Gopnik club) and Metelitsa (definitely the best option, and good on the weekends too). Neither one of those is walking distance from the old town center. Samara is very spread out and traffic during the day is terrible. But at night taxis are everywhere and cheap (200 rubles max).

During the summer the embankment is amazing, during the day the beach scene is great (even some topless Russian beauties sunbathing) and there are lots of stunning women and parties going on in the outdoor cafes until morning (although the sun comes out around 2:30am, which kills the party atmosphere, so best to go to a club around 1:00am).

Avoid the strip clubs in samara. There are three or four, but all of them are overpriced even compared to Moscow (e.g. 15.000 RUR for an hour private dance). Actually in general strip clubs in Russia are pretty terrible outside of Moscow and Piter in my experience.

On the weekends there are tons of good clubs, but just a few are Zvezda, Skvoznyak, SexOn, Longbar (all next to each other) as well as Lust and Teatro (closer to downtown). Longbar is the only club I saw that had pros and semipros working (it's also the most upscale/elite club in the city and the only one that regularly has foreigners). You can also get streetwalkers on Gagarinskaya ulitsa after evening. See here for more information on concerts and clubs:

http://www.samara-night.ru/party/

As in any provincial Russian city your best bet is always renting a private apartment (find phone numbers online or in "iz ruk v ruki" newspaper).

Hotel Volga is a big Soviet style hotel, but a great location in summer on the embankment and cheap prices (as low as $20/night for a room).

Generally though I find for short-term partying/mongering/chasing tail a smaller city is better (but not too small) something like 300,000-500,000 people, like Yaroslavl or Smolensk. Those cities are big enough that there will probably be one place with decent night life even during the week, but small enough that they are compact and it's hard to get lost or waste time traveling around.

I will also say that in a big city like Samara or Ufa the "white god factor" isn't nearly what it used to be (although still better than Moscow). But the few times I've gone to some really out of the way places in Russia to towns of 50,000 or 100,000 people that no one on ISG has even heard of, I literally had girls competing to get into my pants (even had one grab my hand and take me home to her apartment before one of her friends could make a move). Another time a waitress, after hearing my accent, came and sat with me for over an hour to talk while I was a restaurant, which ended quite well later on.

But really any city is fine, the most important thing is your attitude and energy level. It's hard to force yourself to go out alone jet-lagged and tired when the hotel bed is warm and inviting. And in the bigger cities the transportation can be bad and it's hard to know where to even begin. Not to mention in these bigger Soviet-style cities (e.g. Ufa, Samara) there isn't much to do or see. So I would recommend if you're going to the provinces to do yourself a favor and stick to the smaller historic cities in European Russia: Voronezh, Vladimir, Yaroslavl, Smolensk, Oryol, Pskov, Bryansk, etc.

[Prosal]

The best holiday of my whole life !

2 months in Russia provincies !

Thanks Luka for your refreshing enthousiasm, I appreciate, really. Makes me pondering to the old adage "who dares win", something any monger should keep in mind instead of procrastinating about "pioneer" untapped destinations. Furthermore, a bit of internet search made me realize that the accommodation problem isn't that bad, as there is in fact plenty of sites for apartment rentals. Found notably those ones about Ufa and N.N (this site seems really useful for accomodation in Ural and Volga cities):

http://www.nasutki.com/sity/ufa/spisok.php
http://www.nasutki.com/sity/nn/spisok.php

Anyway I gonna decide myself in the next two/three weeks, so after that, I'll surely have more "practical" questions to ask you.

Spasibo.

[Eros74]

... Luka, any thoughts ? ...

I really have no idea where I could start.....well, it can be a long post right ?

Let's start....

Last tuesday I was driving my car back home from Germany, it was about midnight, full moon, no clouds, 2 friends with me were sleeping, I spent 3 nice days in FKK, very good for what you paid.... but looking at the moon do you guess what I thought about ?

Right !

The best holiday of my whole life !

2 months in Russia provincies !

We spoke about one month ago Prosal, you told me how is it possible I have no more interest to go there again.... well in FKK I found great GFE with top notch girls at reasonable price and I got a bit lazy to travel, but it was enough to find a girl in Colosseum FKK from Tver and to speak in russian with her making not only her, but also my 2 friends, surprised for my russian knowledge to make me homesick for Russia.....

Well my little brother is happy I go so often to FKK but my heart in FKK feels almost nothing !

100 times in FKK does not change you as person, 1 time all alone to provincial russia makes you better person, wiser and gives you tons of unforgettable memories.....I could almost write a book....

So it seems exactly after 2 years I went there, you took the decision to do the same trip....

In a friendly way, but I envy you....

It will be not easy, but you will never forget it....and you will thank me to encourage you to go there

You are experienced monger, I do not think it will be much harder than in Tashkent, but in TSK you stayed 2 months, changing every 1-2 weeks city, it will make you tired, cause everytime you have to find the places to go, even before the accomodation at reasonable prices....in a land where even at 4 stars hotel probably they will speak nothing more than russian....

You choose the faster and stronger way to improve your russian.....

But remember one thing, I never feel unsafe there ! ( at the contrary as I felt in Rio....even if I was often with some mongers... )

The first suggest I can give you, even if it sounds obvious, is to travel light. I travelled with 2 medium size suitcases and laptop. 1 suitcase and laptop is more than enough for me now !

Second.... best plan, none plan !
Be ready to change your plans in every moment.... cause maybe you will be at the last day in one city and in that night you will find the "right" girl.... so stay there please !!!!!
Do not change the city !
But move if you will see in one city there is nothing for you !

Third... follow your instinct ! Do not get drunk, for example, you will be probably at 99% of time the only one foreigner out there....

Smile at entrance of discos-clubs... face control sucks sometimes, but in a land where there is no tourist even a very very small tip to the security steroids man, opens every door !!!!

Full your laptop of movies and take some books, it seems maybe ironic, but I am serious, you will have much time without know what the fuck to do !

Do not procrastinate again or you probably will never go there....

Buy lonely planet guide, very very helpful !!!!

Weekdays are boring in almost every city I went !

No matter where you are, on friday and saturday in every places, from the little shitty bar next door your hotel to the best disco in the city, full of girls.... the other days you will be the only one out in the night.....you have to be good and smart to collect many phone numbers in the only 2 days of the week when half city go out to party and be aware that probably the other days girls will stay home even if you offer to pay them dinner and entrance to disco....

Ufa or Samara ? Very easy question !

Samara suuuuuuucks !

There were many villages that grew up and become one city that was called Samara, so there is not one center ! Or well it is, but it is only one 300 metrs street ! Remember in Samara I needed one hour from my apartment to go to center by taxi during rush hour.... the best clubs are one far from the other... you will write sms to meet with one girl and she will tell you she lives too far from center to come to meet you....it happened to me many times in Samara....too little streets, too many cars, too complicated !

Ufa ?

Well go there bro !

Capital of Baškortostan.... the girls look like different from other cities in Russia, think.... I love blond, I fall in love there for a dark hair.... the population there is a big mix from russia, tartars, baskiria.... the girls are gorgeous !!!!
Jet club on friday and saturday had the best girls I saw in my whole life and I was the only ONE foreigner there for 14 days.... before me I am sure the other foreigner was Jake993 LOL
Jet club is 3 floors building, with wonderful restaurant with free wifi, good sushi there, second floor disco, third floor bowling.
I stayed 50 metrs from Jet club at Yuldash hotel, small hotel, very good price, ( something at 40 euro per day with breakfast ), new rooms with net and I took there at no extra charge tons of hookers LOL. ( some nights when I went to sleep alone, the old woman at reception asked me.... no girl tonight ?
There is another huge club far about 10 minutes of taxi from Jet club, then Tinkoff bar and almost nothing more !
But every taxi is more than happy to call you another car who will bring you 20-24 yo pros for something as, 2 years ago, 1500 rubles, I am pretty sure the price is almost the same right now.

Thinking of Ufa.... made me almost my eyes wet..... I'd go there tomorrow !!!!

Oh.. if you can, go with a buddy or try to find there, it will be hard, another monger.... I am pretty sure, if I was not all alone everyday I could enjoy much more the moments I did not know what to do....even if probably is the fact to be all alone so many thousands km far from your home city that makes every night with a girl so.... unforgettable !

Obviously...use sauna as place to take a rest and to order pros.

Something really amazing is when you get a pros, no matter if from sauna, from taxi driver, she will get shocked when you will tell her you are not russian..... they did not believe I am from west europe ! So many times I had to show them my passport, not to militsia but to the girls !!!

To meet the second day the pros you got the night before is quite easy and for free !

DO IT !

And do not be shy or afraid to order pros to taxi driver and believe me, he will bring you pros that looks like very nice, totally normal girls with normal job that need some money more !
Behave good with them and you will never want to go back home.....NEVER !

I found not useful for me mamba, I went there with 42 phone numbers and I met maybe 10 girls....but try it, you can meet even a not nice girl, who cares, she will be surely so friendly and more than happy to show you the city, during the day, and most important, the places to go during the night

Take with you much cash, I had 8 banknotes of 500 euro each, cause in the fucking Samara 1 bankomat and 3 credit cards did not work !!! Then immediately out of Samara they worked again all 4 ! ( the explanation of the girl at unicredit bank was that the microchip of my cards was not read from the old ATM they had ! I tried many different banks ).
However even when it works, I was not able to get much cash per day, so if I will go again, I will bring even more cash, cause you can change everywhere euro but not every ATM will give you rubles and when it does, you pay high % commission.

I do not hide you Prosal that accomodation sucks out of Moscow and Piter !!!
Almost not web page of renting flat, the choose is between 5 stars fucking expensive hotel or 1 star shitty hotel !
However book from net 1-2 day at the cheapest hotel you find in the net and once there first thing to do after put the suitcase in your bedroom go to find a better accomodation and........ please negotiate and negotiate !!!!
If they tell you 2000 rubles per day, say ok, but 10 days at 1000 rubles per day, they will smile, leave and in most cases they will call you back and you will close the deal for 1500 per day ! It worked for me...

If I will go there again, I will choose 5 cities almost random, I will contact in mamba girls from these cities to have at least 10 phone numbers of girls per city, but I will be ready to move to another city asap I will get boring or I will not like one !

Be patient... take it all easy, very easy ! (that's the best suggest ! )

You will be where almost none tourist was.... you will be something totally new there for everybody... it means you can try to date almost every girl from the one at the bar where you get a coffee from the one at post office where you will probably find the only one internet point in the city ( read shitty Samara... ).

I cannot suggest one city, Kurenda in this is much better than me, but one city I want to see is yekaterinburg, more than ones told me that the night life is very good, but I have no experience about it !

Forget Tashkent for a while, there it is already as a second home for you.

Do not worry, hard from internet but out there it is not impossible to find 50 euro per day accomodation !

Minsk ? You can go to Minsk when you will be 80yo !

Well what I could say more dear Prosal ?

That writing all this, made me so much want to go there again !!!!!!!!

I cannot now, ( I know you are gonna to ask me to join you ) I have to work, I spent 2 months this summer at home with broken clavicle, but it is decided, I will go again in provincies !

Not cause it is cheap, but cause ONLY out there you will have the chance to LIVE the kind of GFE that a russian girl who never saw a foreigner can give you !

And that's indeed a VERY good reason to go there !

Believe me !

Thanks for reading me

[Prosal]

At the Oka it was around 4800 RUR and the Oktyabrskaya 6000 RUR. I stayed many times at the Oka so we received a special rate, I think the advertised rate is 5500+

Thanks Dogger,

It's unfortunatly fucking expensive. Accommodation is what keeps me away from provincial Russia. NO WAY I going to pay 130€ for a 3/4 stars Soviet hotel when one can get the Shangri-La Bangkok or the Grand Hyatt Jakarta for the same price (not that I have any desire to go to SEA this winter, just to say). Of course, apartments are the best way to go in this EE and FSU, but booking an apartment for two weeks in a place where you don't know in advance if you'll not going to be bored silly during weekdays is risky.

Fucking dilemma. I decided to take loooong vacations somewhere in FSU (and to leave Uzbek dyevs for a while) from Nov 5 till January 9 and I'm fucking procrastinating. Accommodation budget is at most 50€/day. Luka, any thoughts?. Could Minsk be the best alternative?. What was your experience with weekays nightlife in Ufa and Samara?

[Dogger862]

Could you say what kind of rate you got at those two hotels?

Thanks

At the Oka it was around 4800 RUR and the Oktyabrskaya 6000 RUR. I stayed many times at the Oka so we received a special rate, I think the advertised rate is 5500+.

Cheers