Moscow

[TonyBBB]

So, because of the war in Ukraine, I guess that no one will post here for some time.

In a past thread, I promised I would provide a link to a blog article with camgirl websites that allow you to buy or get the instagram, snap, whatsapp of a camgirl.

Here we go:

https://venusa.day/social-media-camgirl-account/

I'd like to add something, there is nothing better than an email address to exchange private information. So, if you make an offer to a camgirl on Instagram, also provide a disposable email address in the message.

Here is the full process:

Get the social media from the camgirl = you send her the offer on the social media = she answers you yes or no = if she says no: you end the message by saying: "OK, bb if you change your mind send me a message here (email).".

Are the Moscow strip clubs all open? Any price changes yet?

[Henri Dufresne]

So, because of the war in Ukraine, I guess that no one will post here for some time.

In a past thread, I promised I would provide a link to a blog article with camgirl websites that allow you to buy or get the instagram, snap, whatsapp of a camgirl.

Here we go:

https://venusa.day/social-media-camgirl-account/

I'd like to add something, there is nothing better than an email address to exchange private information. So, if you make an offer to a camgirl on Instagram, also provide a disposable email address in the message.

Here is the full process:

Get the social media from the camgirl = you send her the offer on the social media = she answers you yes or no = if she says no: you end the message by saying: "OK, bb if you change your mind send me a message here (email)."

Emails are really great because it is better than a notification.

[Henri Dufresne]

I like the way you put yourself into this.

At which point do you mention the amount of money you are willing to pay for a meeting?

Once you are subscribed to her Instagram, snapchat, telegram. It is the time to send your price offer.

I discourage people to send a price offer on a camgirl website because the camgirl knows somebody else can read this price offer. For instance an employee of a camgirl website or a studio employee can read the private messages exchanged between a camgirl and a user. On the other hand, the private messages of Instagram, snap are safe.

I want to add something. The pictures of a camgirl shared on her instagram account also helps to see if she is a good option or not. For example, I saw that a woman shared picture where she flirted with another woman. I think she was an undercover lesbo. So, I unsubscribe. When I feel that something is wrong with a woman, I also take her out from my instagram account. Look for quality not quantity.

Some Russian women are from Siberia. It is worst buying them a flight ticket to Moscow.

[Desin]

I like the way you put yourself into this.

At which point do you mention the amount of money you are willing to pay for a meeting?

[Henri Dufresne]

I want to continue this thread because I have a lot of things to say. Some times ago, I found a blog where they described how to get in touch with camgirls for little money. I will try to find the link and post it again.

Experienced camgirls vs non experienced camgirls: Some young camgirls sound very greedy and arrogant, they may ask you for more money than experienced camgirls.

I don't think it is a good thing to talk about your offer on a cam website. It is always better to talk about it once you interact with her on a social media. There are many reasons why a camgirl will not tell you that she agrees on sex against money during a cam show on a camgirl website. Their chatrooms can be monitored by 1/ studio employees and 2/ website employees (possibly via team viewer). She does not want to take the risk of losing her camgirl job because this is her revenue. Explain your offer once you are on a social media.

Also, some camgirl websites retain text messages for a long time.

Don't believe in their rich lifestyle:

Some camgirls pretend they make a lot of money. In fact, they get a small commission of their work. Don't forget that when you tip a camgirl, a part of it goes to tax, a part of it may go to a studio, a part of it goes to the website, The remaining share is paid to the camgirl. I have been able to assess the purchasing power of these camgirls. First around Moscow, the rentals are not so high. They always live in small studios. They have few furniture.

Making an offer:

Since these women aren't pro, you must make an offer. It is important not to spoil the woman. I made this mistake. I overpaid.

So, I suggest you to visit the local websites for locals in Russian. You will see.

https://msk17.dosug-gid.net/f/cena_za_chas_ot=1000, cena_za_chas__do=7000/.

http://w.intim-city.nl/

Don't expect the woman to take any decision, have a plan in mind. For instance, if she lives in a remote town around Moscow. You may need to visit her or she must visit you. So, don't ask her which option she wants. If you prefer to see her in Moscow, pay for the train. That's it. Let's sum up, you should have a plan in place. You must know how you will meet her, you know how much time you will spend with her. You will tell her what you want from her. You know how much money you want to give her. Beforehand, tell her your plan in details so that she just has to say yes or no. If she says no, you can ask her why. And then, you can modify your plan. The payment method should be part of your plan. Bitcoin is the best because it requires the smallest number of administrative tasks. I already paid a girl via western union online but there were a lot of painful tasks to do. One of my credit card was denied several times. With Webmoney, they monitor you and it is a really bad idea. I never used Yandex money though. I think that online payments are a great trap because they conn you into thinking that they provide the easiest way to pay. Then, they freeze your payment and they ask you to provide supporting documents. This is an issue that I never had with Western Union and moneygram.

So for instance, a woman was ok to meet me. She didn't want to have sex with me. She didn't want any penetration. I told her that she could give me a blowjob for a smaller price.

It is important to bring her all guarantees that everything is safe for her.

Convince her:

I have learned to decode what women told me. If a woman told me: "it is not going to happen" "it will not happen". You can answer have a nice day. There will be nothing you will be able to do.

In the contrary, if she says: "I don't meet people from here". This is another story. This means she may work as a pro in the real world.

I never use the word prostitute or escort when I communicate with a woman.

In fact, I use the following arguments to convince her (you don't need to use all of them, they work depending on the situation).

= if she would have to move to Germany, Duba or Thailand to make money in a club, she would have to leave far away from her home city.

= God knows what type of problems she can face in a foreign country in a club.

= She will get 100% of the money while she usually has to pay huge commissions to third partiers like studios or websites or escort agency.

= If she has any question, if she wants to know me better, I tell her than she can talk to me.

= pay a down payment to her. I paid until now, half of the money, but I think that it could be too much. Maybe it would be better to pay 1 third when you schedule the meeting, 1 third just before the meeting, 1 third when you meet via your smartphone. Camgirls asked me to pay via Bitcoins and western unions.

= If she is concerned about her reputation, tell her that you are a foreigner, you don't know anybody in Russia.

= Nobody will know. On the other hand, if she would work as a pornstar, everybody would know.

Shy women:

Shy women prefer to meet you in a neutral place first and then, they will agree to meet you in a hotel room or in your apartment.

You need more time to trust women:

It is slightly more expensive but before meeting a woman, I had a snapshat conversation with her. If you do this, you will be able to identify the scammers and the good girls.

[Henri Dufresne]

I have collected contacts in Mamba, but the difference is that the women you describe are the ones I avoid. I don't like their looks.

That method of yours considering camgirls is nice. Do you specifically target new girls, or more seasoned ones?

There are no rules from this point of view. You can really be surprised. For instance, an experienced camgirl may be totally reluctant to meet you while a fresh 20-year old is very motivated.

Apart from this, I have several things to say about camgirls and especially social medias.

I think that Instagram, Telegram and snapshat are gold mines. Twitter isn't because when a camgirl works for a studio, her twitter account is managed by the studio. Facebook is packed with fake pros or men who impersonate women, stay away from facebook. No pros are on Vk as well.

The social medias of the first group allows you to send private messages without risks. These social medias maximize your chances of success let me explain you why. They are all linked to the smartphone phone number of a girl. The smartphone is a personal thing. So, you can be sure that nobody else will read your messages. With hindsight, I tell myself that we should not be too pushy when we chat on camgirl websites. Employees these camgirl websites can read us. They could stop accepting people to exchange instagram, close your account, suspend the camgirl account, remove the link to an instagram account. Also, the least you chat on camgirl websites and the cheaper it costs you. Some websites allow you to send a PM to the camgirl on the website against a tip. So, then, you can get her instagram and then, from the instagram, you make your offer.

For your information, I have two phones. One for kinky things with instagram, snapshat account with pros with and one for official things. I just found it handy. By the way, the suggestions on instagram are maybe a gold mine too. However, Most of these women have private profiles and they must accept your friend request first.

So, once you are on her list and once you can send her a message, that's it, you can make her a detailed offer. I have several things to add about it. Camgirls are not like regular pros. They are often paranoid. So, you may likely need to meet her in a neutral place like a mall or a coffee shop first. Suggest to meet her in a coffee shop or a mall first because she may never met a customer before in real life. On Russian websites, some liars tell scammer stories or horror stories to Russian girls and you should make her feel comfortable.

So, you should not chit chat. Personally I am always polite on instagram in a PM, I say thing like: "Hello, I hope you had a nice day" and then I go straight to the point because I know these women need work. Usually, these women don't make an offer. So don't burn your wings, be aware of the prices. If she does not want, did you suggest to meet in a neutral place first? Tell her that you don't want to bother her everything would be find, that she would be paid on the spot.

Some girls don't live in Moscow. They may live around Moscow or further. It is always easier to visit them than visiting you. However, I always check one thing for safety matter. I always check if the camgirl has a boyfriend or husband. If she has one, I stay away from it because I know that Russian couples are the first to mastermind a plan to scam you. In general, I check if there are other people out of sight who interact with the camgirl. If there are it is a big no because it could be a trap. So, for instance, I check if I can see the hands of the camgirl when she types because somebody out of sight may chat with you while the camgirl is doing her show.

It is quite easy to stay away from toxic people because you can assess the situation before meeting the girl. Also, you can stop communicating with a girl whenever you want.

I like the fact that unlike regular pros from classified ads, you are never face a fait accompli. Let me explain. When you visit a pro staying in a hotel room, you may not have seen her before. You don't know her at all. You don't know what she thinks what she agrees to do. With camgirls you can chat with her beforehand.

To me it is still a work in progress.

[Desin]

I have collected contacts in Mamba, but the difference is that the women you describe are the ones I avoid. I don't like their looks.

That method of yours considering camgirls is nice. Do you specifically target new girls, or more seasoned ones?

[Henri Dufresne]

Good post. Although I'm amazed that she came there, could have just kept the money she already got. I wonder if this financial question or about being raised to be honest, to be obliged to fulfill one's own words in agreements? I ask this because I would like to learn if Russian women trustworthy in this regard. Mamba girls for example.

Trust is a big issue in Russia.

I didn't pay everything upfront, I paid equivalent of 75 euros first and then 75 euros upon arrival. But still you are right I could have lost 75 euros. But in general this is the same on camgirl websites. You can spend a lot of money without getting anything in return.

To me the Mamba girls are the least trustworthy women in Russia. You find on this website, lazy women who want to make money by doing nothing. They look for a sugar daddy relationship in which they will give nothing in return. On camgirl websites, at least, they perform sex shows. They do something.

I think that in Russia all scammers are on Tinder and Mamba. I call them the fake pros. The fake prostitutes. Fake prostitutes wear fit dresses, they have big lips, they have a lot of makeup but they do nothing. They refuse to escort men and you must be extremely careful. These women claim that they are pros, they conn you into paying first. Then, you get nothing in return.

On mamba, you find the woman who want to go to the restaurant for free. The psychologically twisted women that nobody wants to date. The undercover lesbians. The most common one, the women who are looking for a financial provider coming from a western country. It is now the same on tinder.

Mamba and Tinder are overrated. They are scams to me.

[Henri Dufresne]

Expect a low success rate = 5%.

In send a private message, I start in English, I start speaking about porn and then I switch to Russia and make a suggestion. I do this so that if a third party reads the chat without understanding Russian, he will think we speak about something else by reading the sentences in English.

It is very difficult to formulate. You must avoid speaking about money but she must understand you.

So, at the beginning, I said I am looking for a woman who would like to accompany me and have fun. I'd pay for this service. Still, I am not satisfied with this technique. When the woman said no, I always left my social media account that matched with her.

For instance, if she said no, I answered:

Thank you I don't bother you anymore, if you change your mind, my instagram / snapshat / telegram is.

Sometimes camgirls sell their snap, instagram, whatsapp. You can buy a social media account but then, it could be a pure sunk cost if after sending a PM on a social media, the woman say no, I m not interested in escorting.

Also some women work for a studio, they can't say they are interested because they are monitored.

Then, we should share either instagram, snap. Or a phone number for telegram or whatsapp. When you are on instagram, snap, telegram, whatsapp you can be straightforward; not before. Except twitter, no social media accounts are managed by a studio of a camgirl. Studios don't invest into smartphones and phone number.

The disadvantages of the technique:

I I think it is very important to make her understand that she will benefit from the deal. If you don't speak about money, they would be no benefits. She may tell you she is not interested because she does not see any benefit.

Advice:

Be as precise as you can, mention that you live in a neighborhood of Moscow, and look for company to make her understand that it is possible.

I am sorry it is a work in progress.

[Desin]

My try:

Met a camgirl online, She sold her whatsapp for 80 euros. I spent 100 euros in chat. I had to pay for the trip to Moscow. I don't remember how much I paid. Then, we met at an AirBNB in Moscow, covered Blowjob. Doggystyle. It was ok. It cost me 150 euros which is the gringo price not the local price.

Good post. Although I'm amazed that she came there, could have just kept the money she already got. I wonder if this financial question or about being raised to be honest, to be obliged to fulfill one's own words in agreements? I ask this because I would like to learn if Russian women trustworthy in this regard. Mamba girls for example.

[SanGaetano]

Thanks for the insights.

I just wonder how can she knows if I or other monger is a high value Slavic sugar man who speaks Russian fluently if she 1-does not pick the phone and 2-does not read the sms (which was written in perfect Russian)? My second phone (where I deal with WGs has no avatar photo, and my messengers there don't have profile photo either). For the record: I don't want be a sugar person, I just want fun and then goodbye. No strings attached. Just my opinion as I know a Russian guy who in deed has a soderzhanka on the side, and seems to be happy with that, and according to him she does not have other men.

About corruption, yes I also heard about that, actually it's impossible for the police for not knowing the salonis in Peter for example, as the city in full of them. In Moscow it's a different story, they are more hidden from the public eye, it looks there is still some kind of fear of law enforcement, but I am talking about old school sex salonis with girls v ocheredi, not gentlemen strip clubs.

There are also software marketers who post these ads on telegram groups and other online sites who work on monthly contract but fail to update the number even though the number stopped working few weeks ago.

Yes, some of the numbers seem to be just dead. It's not a question of her picking up or not.

[Henri Dufresne]

Some years ago, I used to meet pros and semi pros in the nightclubs of Moscow. I had to spend a significant amount of money going out. Then, during the covid19, I extensively used camgirl websites. I collected instagram and whatsapp accounts of Russian camgirls.

Advantages:

= What you see is what you get. No photoshopped pictures.

= You find fresh semi pros or non pros. This is very exciting.

= You can choose your type.

= you can chat with her beforehand.

Disadvantages:

= This is the most expensive solution to find escorts because you must pay before you meet the woman. First you may pay during a private chat session or several chat session, you may pay to obtain the whatsapp or instagram of the model.

= Because of the international market, There is a tendency for camgirls to ask for high prices when it is time to meet in the real world.

= Camgirl may live far away from Moscow. Russia is a big country. You would have to pay her the trip to Moscow. Once again, a new expense!

My try:

Met a camgirl online, She sold her whatsapp for 80 euros. I spent 100 euros in chat. I had to pay for the trip to Moscow. I don't remember how much I paid. Then, we met at an AirBNB in Moscow, covered Blowjob. Doggystyle. It was ok. It cost me 150 euros which is the gringo price not the local price.

Conclusion:

Meeting Camgirls isn't the best solution. This leads to many expenses for an uncertain outcome. Conversely, if you find a semi pros in a nightclub or a restaurant, which will be possible after the covid19, you will be able to save a substantial amount of money while being able to chat with the woman beforehand.

Advice if you choose this technique:

Please guys don't mention any names of any camgirl website on internationalsexguide so that our activities remain unnoticed by the camgirl websites. Share this message to other guys in case you decide to share your review about it.

Don't chit chat online, be straightforward. If you speak Russian, ask for a mongering offer via audio. If you don't speak Russian, use google translate and copy paste your offer in Russian. Don't say "I want sex against money" in the private chat session because someone from the website can read this.

Give her a hint during a chat. Tell her something like:

We could have fun in real life against a gift.

Don't mention any price. I discover I was tempted to offer an above market offer.

If you must create an instagram, snapshat, don't be dumb don't share your real name in the nickname.

[CallSignRomeo]

I also ask myself why to bother in setting up an ad in such site, if you don't pick the phone and don't reply to sms. Either 1-she has found a sugar dad / boyfriend who is consuming all of her time, or 2- she changed the profession and left the ad there. Well, the 3rd possibility would be something liker she got caught by undercover cop playing the client and they confiscated her phone (where she used to answer calls / messages), but I guess it's rather one of the first 2 options. Nothing against you dorogaya, be happy, but maybe you could delete your ad and phone number from the directory. The mongers thank you.

There are lot of fake ads on the various sites due to the following reasons- some of the independent ladies only meet with high value Slavic men who speak Russian fluently and who would support them on monthly basis so as soon as they find couple of men the number goes silent for few months. Also some Russian women hire small time detectives to catch their cheating partners who in turn place ads on these sites so that they can trace the phone number of these men if they had called earlier to book any of escorts / service providers. Local men tend to avoid this by buying sim from local central Asian flea market.

Corruption is rife in most cities in Russia and local police take commission from local salon / bordellos on daily / weekly basis. It is not uncommon to see police car stationed few hundred meters from salon / bordello to monitor the customers from that place. Police do indeed target such salons after receiving complaints from locals but only after informing the salon owners and the girls. They also post ads to look for known criminals who use this kind of services as some ladies ask for face calls before meetings. There are also software marketers who post these ads on telegram groups and other online sites who work on monthly contract but fail to update the number even though the number stopped working few weeks ago.

[Jake993]

I want to second you. After 30 years old, former pros join tinder, mamba, a camgirl website or a dating agency. They claim they worked as a makeup artist and travelled the world. They claimed they studied finance, management, medicine. The profile of these Russian scammers is always the same. The goal is to find a nice blue pilled simp who will accept to financially support her. I have also noticed that Rich Russian guys had several mistresses. However, I have never noticed that they behaved like sugar daddies. Those girls are only pros. They accept sex in exchange for money. Once you get out of this scheme, you take the risk of being scams because in Eastern Europe, there are also many fake escorts. These women behave like escorts, they get dressed like escorts but they never have sex. They just want the man to pay. Thus, you must be very straight forward with Russian woman. If you get into chit chat and sentimental relationship you take the risk of being scammed.

And permit me to second YOU HD. Very well explained. If you think about it, agreeing to have sex for money is pretty straight forward. But to string a man along and slowly extract money from him in the form of gifts, expensive dinners, cash and travel WITHOUT sex in exchange, that takes a bit of talent!!

[SanGaetano]

Plan was to visit salons choose from a line up. In these days texted about 20 Salons and Indy's (in Russian) but mostly got no reply. Started to wonder why so many ads on rusdosug etc if the women aren't responding.

I also ask myself why to bother in setting up an ad in such site, if you don't pick the phone and don't reply to sms. Either 1-she has found a sugar dad / boyfriend who is consuming all of her time, or 2- she changed the profession and left the ad there. Well, the 3rd possibility would be something liker she got caught by undercover cop playing the client and they confiscated her phone (where she used to answer calls / messages), but I guess it's rather one of the first 2 options. Nothing against you dorogaya, be happy, but maybe you could delete your ad and phone number from the directory. The mongers thank you.