American Politics

[EihTooms]

Well hooray for the New York Post! I see from the link to the original article that the New York Post tried to check the story by contacting The Crossroads Hotel, Super 8 Hotel, and hotel where the vets allegedly were staying after they moved, but none commented prior to when the article was published. When questions arose as to the veracity of Sharon Toney-Finch, the New York Post reported the article was false.

Compare to the mainstream, left-of-center media, which are mostly silent about or distorting John Durham's report. Take for example the allegation that Trump had two prostitutes urinate on a hotel bed in the Presidential Suite of the Ritz Carlton in Moscow. The same bed that President Obama slept in. Allegedly this was filmed by Russian intelligence, and used to get Trump to do Russia's bidding.

Well, according to Durham, the likely source of this story was Clinton crony Charles Dolan!

So how many of the left-of-center newspapers and television channels have retracted their stories about "Peegate?" Wouldn't you think that the people over at MSNBC, unlike the Fox New pundits in your story, be jumping through hoops to say they'd been had? Hell no. Of course not. The only Democratic-Party-loving publication I can find that's apologizing is the Washington Post.

Democrats are every bit as guilty of spreading bull shit propaganda as Republicans.

When and by whom did MSNBC devote so much as 10 minutes to whether or not Trump hired anyone to pee on anything? Particularly without stressing it was only an allegation? I must have missed that show.

Besides, it has always been obvious that Repubs only love Trump even more for boasting about sexually assaulting women, being found liable for it, paying "horse face" porn actresses $100,000+ to keep it to themselves, laying the foundation for, creating and developing Trump's Pandemic and virtually all the death, economic destruction, massive jobs destruction and inflation that followed, inciting cop-killing mobs of America-hating insurrectionists to violently overthrow American democracy and so on.

Why would any media outlet need to apologize to Trump for helping him shore up and solidify a clear popular advantage for him with Repub voters vs all the other potential Repub candidates with a little story about hookers he might have hired to urinate on him or whatever?

Trump should be thanking any and all media outlets that ran with that one.

[Tiny 12]

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-stok...184955929.html

The story had all the hallmarks of fueling the maximum amount of right-wing outrage. With migrants being bused into New York City amid an immigration surge at the southern border, upstate New York hotels had supposedly kicked out homeless veterans in order to make room for the influx of asylum seekers.

After right-wing tabloid The New York Post published the sensational report last Friday, Fox News and Newsmax ran wild with it, devoting dozens of segments (and countless online articles) to the indignation of "people who served our country and need a little boost" getting displaced by "illegals," all while "these hotels are selling their soul for a check. ".

Turns out, however, the whole story was made up.

The whole saga kicked off when the Post reported that 20 "struggling homeless veterans" were booted from hotels so their rooms could be given to incoming migrants. According to Yerik Israel Toney Foundation, the nonprofit group that works on temporarily housing the vets, the ex-military members had been told by the New York hotels that they needed to vacate and move elsewhere.

"One of the vets called me on Sunday,' YIT Foundation CEO Sharon Toney-Finch told the Post last week. "he told me he had to leave because the hotel said the extended stay is not available. Then I got another call. We didn't waste any time. '.

She added: "That's when we started on Monday to organize when and where to move them all. I am glad you called me today. Last night, I was crying. ".

According to Toney-Finch at the time, 15 of the veterans had been kicked out of the Crossroads Hotel in Newburgh, a community 60 minutes north of New York City. An additional five vets were reportedly removed from two other hotels in a nearby town. She claimed that all 20 of the vets were rebooked into another hotel in Hudson Valley. The area has recently experienced an influx of migrants as New York City Mayor Eric Adams has begun busing asylum seekers to other counties that may have additional space.

GOP State Assemblyman Brian Maher initially backed Toney-Finch's story, saying that "shining a light on this is important because we need to make sure these hotels know how important it is to respect the service of our veterans before they kick {them} out of hotels to make room. " Toney-Finch, meanwhile, added that the hotels were doing this for money since NYC was paying more for migrant accommodations than her group was offering the establishments.

Naturally, this story was absolute catnip for the right-wing media industrial complex. Fox News and its sister channel Fox Business began covering it immediately after the Post report dropped, frequently featuring prominent Republicansincluding Maherexpressing their outrage over Democrats putting the needs of "illegal immigrants" over homeless vets. Newsmax followed suit shortly after.

"It's an embarrassment, a slap in the face to veterans, who are cast aside to allow for asylum seekers to come here," Maher told Fox & Friends First this week. "At the end of the day, you have combat veterans who are homeless and told to get out of their hotel, we have tried to let them know we appreciate them. We're embarrassed by what happened, but we have their backs. ".

The rhetoric coming from conservative pundits, however, was even more inflammatory.

During Monday's broadcast of Fox News midday panel show Outnumbered, for instance, Fox News contributor Lisa Marie Boothe said that this was "intentional" from President Joe Biden because "he is a globalist. " Fox News anchor Harris Faulkner added that Biden "doesn't mean it" whenever he says "God bless the troops" after a speech.

And while House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) called it "shameful" and GOP presidential hopeful Nikki Haley said this was "liberal insanity at work," other MAGA commentators went even further. "Fuck Democrats & their bullshit policies," Donald Trump Jr. Tweeted, sharing the original Post story.

However, earlier this week, local media began poking holes in the story. After Maher had provided a credit card receipt from Toney-Finch supposedly showing payment for the rooms at the Crossroads Hotel, The Mid-Hudson News reported that the hotel had no record of the transaction. Additionally, a graphics expert examined the receipt and said it appeared to be altered.

The manager of the hotel also told Mid-Hudson News that no veterans were ever at the hotel, let alone kicked out of Crossroads. No other guests had been displaced either, as the hotel had not been booked to capacity despite housing a group of migrants.

Eventually, Maher ended up denouncing the story as fake and emotionally told the Times-Union he was "devastated and disheartened" after finding out from Toney-Finch that she had made the whole thing up.

After doubt began to spread about the veracity of Toney-Finch's tale, Maher said he asked her to meet him at a local bank to get financial statements that would prove her organization paid for the veterans' rooms at the hotels. After she no-showed, he claimed he told her that he had "no choice but to report this" after she "alluded to the fact that, 'Maybe it's not exactly how I said it was. '.

In a separate conversation with the New York Post, which has since added an editor's note to its original bombshell story that kicked off this outrage cycle, Maher added that Toney-Finch said "I had to help the veterans," when he confronted her on peddling a hoax.

The story got even wilder on Friday, however, when Mid-Hudson News further reported that Toney-Finch had recruited a group of homeless men from a nearby shelter to pretend they were the military veterans that had been displaced by migrants.

"On Thursday night he met with a group of seven men at a homeless shelter," the report stated. "The men said that on Wednesday, two people came into the shelter saying they had work and needed 15 men between the ages of 40 and 60, to take a trip to meet with an elected official for a discussion on homelessness. They were each promised $200 along with food and alcohol. They were familiar with one of the recruiters, Diana, claiming she had previously stayed at the shelter. ".

YIT Foundation did not respond to The Daily Beast's request for comment.

While the New York Post has reported that the story is false and added editor's notes to other articles, Fox News has yet to address the emerging hoax on its airwaves. In fact, on Thursday night, the network was still hosting local Republicans to rage about the fake controversy. Yvette Aguiar, the town supervisor of Riverhead, told Fox News host Will Cain that the really disturbing issue with the Crossroads Hotel set me off on this journey to declare a state of emergency regarding migrants..

Fox News has not responded to a request for comment on whether they will address this story on air.

Not only has Newsmax not reported that Toney-Finch lied about homeless vets being displaced, but the network had run at least three news segments claiming "homeless US veterans have been removed from housing to make room for migrants" on Friday. Newsmax also did not respond to a request for comment.

Well hooray for the New York Post! I see from the link to the original article that the New York Post tried to check the story by contacting The Crossroads Hotel, Super 8 Hotel, and hotel where the vets allegedly were staying after they moved, but none commented prior to when the article was published. When questions arose as to the veracity of Sharon Toney-Finch, the New York Post reported the article was false.

Compare to the mainstream, left-of-center media, which are mostly silent about or distorting John Durham's report. Take for example the allegation that Trump had two prostitutes urinate on a hotel bed in the Presidential Suite of the Ritz Carlton in Moscow. The same bed that President Obama slept in. Allegedly this was filmed by Russian intelligence, and used to get Trump to do Russia's bidding.

Well, according to Durham, the likely source of this story was Clinton crony Charles Dolan!

So how many of the left-of-center newspapers and television channels have retracted their stories about "Peegate?" Wouldn't you think that the people over at MSNBC, unlike the Fox New pundits in your story, be jumping through hoops to say they'd been had? Hell no. Of course not. The only Democratic-Party-loving publication I can find that's apologizing is the Washington Post.

Democrats are every bit as guilty of spreading bull shit propaganda as Republicans.

[PVMonger]

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-stok...184955929.html

The story had all the hallmarks of fueling the maximum amount of right-wing outrage. With migrants being bused into New York City amid an immigration surge at the southern border, upstate New York hotels had supposedly kicked out homeless veterans in order to make room for the influx of asylum seekers.

After right-wing tabloid The New York Post published the sensational report last Friday, Fox News and Newsmax ran wild with it, devoting dozens of segments (and countless online articles) to the indignation of "people who served our country and need a little boost" getting displaced by "illegals," all while "these hotels are selling their soul for a check. ".

Turns out, however, the whole story was made up.

The whole saga kicked off when the Post reported that 20 "struggling homeless veterans" were booted from hotels so their rooms could be given to incoming migrants. According to Yerik Israel Toney Foundation, the nonprofit group that works on temporarily housing the vets, the ex-military members had been told by the New York hotels that they needed to vacate and move elsewhere.

"One of the vets called me on Sunday,' YIT Foundation CEO Sharon Toney-Finch told the Post last week. "he told me he had to leave because the hotel said the extended stay is not available. Then I got another call. We didn't waste any time. '.

She added: "That's when we started on Monday to organize when and where to move them all. I am glad you called me today. Last night, I was crying. ".

According to Toney-Finch at the time, 15 of the veterans had been kicked out of the Crossroads Hotel in Newburgh, a community 60 minutes north of New York City. An additional five vets were reportedly removed from two other hotels in a nearby town. She claimed that all 20 of the vets were rebooked into another hotel in Hudson Valley. The area has recently experienced an influx of migrants as New York City Mayor Eric Adams has begun busing asylum seekers to other counties that may have additional space.

GOP State Assemblyman Brian Maher initially backed Toney-Finch's story, saying that "shining a light on this is important because we need to make sure these hotels know how important it is to respect the service of our veterans before they kick {them} out of hotels to make room. " Toney-Finch, meanwhile, added that the hotels were doing this for money since NYC was paying more for migrant accommodations than her group was offering the establishments.

Naturally, this story was absolute catnip for the right-wing media industrial complex. Fox News and its sister channel Fox Business began covering it immediately after the Post report dropped, frequently featuring prominent Republicans—including Maher—expressing their outrage over Democrats putting the needs of "illegal immigrants" over homeless vets. Newsmax followed suit shortly after.

"It's an embarrassment, a slap in the face to veterans, who are cast aside to allow for asylum seekers to come here," Maher told Fox & Friends First this week. "At the end of the day, you have combat veterans who are homeless and told to get out of their hotel, we have tried to let them know we appreciate them. We're embarrassed by what happened, but we have their backs. ".

The rhetoric coming from conservative pundits, however, was even more inflammatory.

During Monday's broadcast of Fox News midday panel show Outnumbered, for instance, Fox News contributor Lisa Marie Boothe said that this was "intentional" from President Joe Biden because "he is a globalist. " Fox News anchor Harris Faulkner added that Biden "doesn't mean it" whenever he says "God bless the troops" after a speech.

And while House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) called it "shameful" and GOP presidential hopeful Nikki Haley said this was "liberal insanity at work," other MAGA commentators went even further. "Fuck Democrats & their bullshit policies," Donald Trump Jr. Tweeted, sharing the original Post story.

However, earlier this week, local media began poking holes in the story. After Maher had provided a credit card receipt from Toney-Finch supposedly showing payment for the rooms at the Crossroads Hotel, The Mid-Hudson News reported that the hotel had no record of the transaction. Additionally, a graphics expert examined the receipt and said it appeared to be altered.

The manager of the hotel also told Mid-Hudson News that no veterans were ever at the hotel, let alone kicked out of Crossroads. No other guests had been displaced either, as the hotel had not been booked to capacity despite housing a group of migrants.

Eventually, Maher ended up denouncing the story as fake and emotionally told the Times-Union he was "devastated and disheartened" after finding out from Toney-Finch that she had made the whole thing up.

After doubt began to spread about the veracity of Toney-Finch's tale, Maher said he asked her to meet him at a local bank to get financial statements that would prove her organization paid for the veterans' rooms at the hotels. After she no-showed, he claimed he told her that he had "no choice but to report this" after she "alluded to the fact that, 'Maybe it's not exactly how I said it was. '.

In a separate conversation with the New York Post, which has since added an editor's note to its original bombshell story that kicked off this outrage cycle, Maher added that Toney-Finch said "I had to help the veterans," when he confronted her on peddling a hoax.

The story got even wilder on Friday, however, when Mid-Hudson News further reported that Toney-Finch had recruited a group of homeless men from a nearby shelter to pretend they were the military veterans that had been displaced by migrants.

"On Thursday night he met with a group of seven men at a homeless shelter," the report stated. "The men said that on Wednesday, two people came into the shelter saying they had work and needed 15 men between the ages of 40 and 60, to take a trip to meet with an elected official for a discussion on homelessness. They were each promised $200 along with food and alcohol. They were familiar with one of the recruiters, Diana, claiming she had previously stayed at the shelter. ".

YIT Foundation did not respond to The Daily Beast's request for comment.

While the New York Post has reported that the story is false and added editor's notes to other articles, Fox News has yet to address the emerging hoax on its airwaves. In fact, on Thursday night, the network was still hosting local Republicans to rage about the fake controversy. Yvette Aguiar, the town supervisor of Riverhead, told Fox News host Will Cain that the “really disturbing” issue with the Crossroads Hotel “set me off on this journey” to declare a state of emergency regarding migrants..

Fox News has not responded to a request for comment on whether they will address this story on air.

Not only has Newsmax not reported that Toney-Finch lied about homeless vets being displaced, but the network had run at least three news segments claiming "homeless US veterans have been removed from housing to make room for migrants" on Friday. Newsmax also did not respond to a request for comment.

[Tiny 12]

Pence and Biden found the documents themselves, reported them, returned them. Trump stole them, lied about them, hid them, instructed his attorneys to lie, obstructed the investigation, lied more and undoubtedly gave them to Putin.

Biden's working for the Chinese and Trump's working for the Russians. Damn it, we're fucked.

[EihTooms]

Pence and Biden found the documents themselves, reported them, returned them. Trump stole them, lied about them, hid them, instructed his attorneys to lie, obstructed the investigation, lied more and undoubtedly gave them to Putin.

Yes. One would think Tiny's very smart, sensibly and justifiably partisan Dem attorney friend would have set aside 30 seconds of his busy day to explain that colossal difference between the Biden / Pence case and the Trump case. Maybe he has just given up trying to explain every important and significant detail about everything for his Repub / Bothsider / Neithersider friends. I know the feeling.

[John Clayton]

... Then what do we do with Joe Biden and Mike Pence? They undoubtedly violated classified records laws too....

Pence and Biden found the documents themselves, reported them, returned them. Trump stole them, lied about them, hid them, instructed his attorneys to lie, obstructed the investigation, lied more and undoubtedly gave them to Putin.

[Tiny 12]

People use "banana republic" as a crutch to say that a President can't possibly commit crimes. ALL human are capable of committing crimes.

All Americans DO commit crimes. Harvey Silverglate, the attorney, board member of the ACLU, and former Harvard Law school professor who wrote "Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent", says we commit an average of three crimes a day. We incarcerate more people per capita than any other country in the world. The Republicans want to put the Democratic Politicians in jail, and the Democrats want to put the Republican Politicians in jail. Democrats want to incarcerate white businessmen, and Republicans want to jail young black men.

A friend who's an attorney, a Democrat, and more partisan than Tooms believes the most likely reason Trump will go to jail will be because of the classified records violations. Well, say we throw him in the slammer for that. Then what do we do with Joe Biden and Mike Pence? They undoubtedly violated classified records laws too.

You put Trump in front of a jury in Washington, D.C. and there's a pretty good chance he'll be convicted even if the prosecution has a weak case. Ditto for Biden in Amarillo, Texas.

I believe you need a damn good reason to put an ex-president in jail. And like I said, there may be one related to Trump's post 2020 election shenanigans. As to confidential records and Stormy Daniels, that's just nuts. If Trump gets convicted on those charges then yeah, it's a sign we're becoming a banana republic. And yes, maybe the Donald contributed as much to that as anyone. Remember he tried to get the Justice Department to prosecute Hillary Clinton. Since I'm the founder of the Free Markets Church of Tiny, I'll quote a couple of relevant Biblical passages here,

He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth

Well, I say bull shit to that. Somebody just needs to say enough is enough and stop trying to put the other side in jail.

[CheckMate1]

I can't argue with that. I don't know whether the idea to publish all trades in real time is a Checkmate original, but if so kudos. That's a great idea.

I'm not sure whether or not I agree with "1". Here in the United States of America, we haven't ever sent an ex President to jail. That's part of what separates us from banana republics. We shouldn't even have to think about this. But Trump may have crossed the line after the 2020 election.

People use "banana republic" as a crutch to say that a President can't possibly commit crimes. ALL human are capable of committing crimes.

[Tiny 12]

They are the governors of their states, within their rights to govern the way they want. So, no, I would not call them that. People can argue whether that's poor judgement or not, but that's the extend of the discord.

I think a way to get rid of corruption, or potential of, is to create a new amendment that states:

1. President's term in office is immunized, and statute of limitations of all crimes, with the exception of murder, shall begin at the end of the president's term. If convicted, all former presidential perks will be rescinded and disqualify from all future public post. This will provide the disincentive of doing something corrupt while in office. It does beg the question of "is anyone above the law?" However, it clears the wishy washy way of how the DOJ interpret their own standing on not to prosecute a sitting president.

2. Supreme Court Justices. Can not accept any gift from anyone.

3. (I think this is the biggest issue) Member of Congress / Senate; President; Supreme Court Justices shall have all assets managed in a blind trust or be published to the public. All trades would be reveal in real time by the brokerage firms.

I can't argue with that. I don't know whether the idea to publish all trades in real time is a Checkmate original, but if so kudos. That's a great idea.

I'm not sure whether or not I agree with "1". Here in the United States of America, we haven't ever sent an ex President to jail. That's part of what separates us from banana republics. We shouldn't even have to think about this. But Trump may have crossed the line after the 2020 election.

[CheckMate1]

Gentlemen, you're a bit too fixated on word choice and political correctness. I simply believe that, figuratively speaking, Biden and the majority of Congressional Democrats are thieves. At least socialists like Hugo Chavez pay compensation and leave the factories, oil and gas fields, and power plants standing after they nationalize industries. Through EPA regulations, the Biden administration wants to use a backdoor mechanism to shut down oil and gas fields and power plants. And some of his tax proposals border on thievery as well, although admittedly they're not as extreme as Bernie Sanders' or Elizabeth Warren's.

Remember when Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis told the mayors and city councils in their states that they couldn't institute lockdowns or mask mandates? They were called mass murderers more than once. Now I'm no lockdown lover, but I can kind of see their point, in a figurative sense. But no, the governors weren't going around killing people and burying them in big pits. Anyway, I don't think you'd be coming to the defense of Abbott or DeSantis over the "Mass Murderer" label.

They are the governors of their states, within their rights to govern the way they want. So, no, I would not call them that. People can argue whether that's poor judgement or not, but that's the extend of the discord.

I think a way to get rid of corruption, or potential of, is to create a new amendment that states:

1. President's term in office is immunized, and statute of limitations of all crimes, with the exception of murder, shall begin at the end of the president's term. If convicted, all former presidential perks will be rescinded and disqualify from all future public post. This will provide the disincentive of doing something corrupt while in office. It does beg the question of "is anyone above the law?" However, it clears the wishy washy way of how the DOJ interpret their own standing on not to prosecute a sitting president.

2. Supreme Court Justices. Can not accept any gift from anyone.

3. (I think this is the biggest issue) Member of Congress / Senate; President; Supreme Court Justices shall have all assets managed in a blind trust or be published to the public. All trades would be reveal in real time by the brokerage firms.

[JustTK]

Very powerfully spoken:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuPISYnoBsM

[Tiny 12]

No.

Yes.

Exactly!

You don't like the guy and his policies, and that's fine.

But at least you can see why that "criminal syndicate" thingy didn't seat well with me.

I agree. Don't like his policies, cool. We can debate on it.

Accusing someone of a crime, have some evidence, not just hearsays, rumors, or conspiracy theories.

Side note, when the person who's leading the charge says, "Well, unfortunately we can't track down the informant. We are hopeful the informant is still there," a. How do you lose informant? Be. Couldn't you have recorded your conversations?

Gentlemen, you're a bit too fixated on word choice and political correctness. I simply believe that, figuratively speaking, Biden and the majority of Congressional Democrats are thieves. At least socialists like Hugo Chavez pay compensation and leave the factories, oil and gas fields, and power plants standing after they nationalize industries. Through EPA regulations, the Biden administration wants to use a backdoor mechanism to shut down oil and gas fields and power plants. And some of his tax proposals border on thievery as well, although admittedly they're not as extreme as Bernie Sanders' or Elizabeth Warren's.

Remember when Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis told the mayors and city councils in their states that they couldn't institute lockdowns or mask mandates? They were called mass murderers more than once. Now I'm no lockdown lover, but I can kind of see their point, in a figurative sense. But no, the governors weren't going around killing people and burying them in big pits. Anyway, I don't think you'd be coming to the defense of Abbott or DeSantis over the "Mass Murderer" label.

[Tiny 12]

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-m...en-is-running/

Good link Marquis. One thing to add, if Biden and Hillary Clinton hadn't run in 2020 and 2016 respectively, the Democratic nominee could very well have been a bsc Progressive like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. Reasonable Democrats, like say Michael Bloomberg, Michael Bennet, Steve Bullock and John Hickenlooper never got traction. So Biden was the "closest to moderate" popular candidate the Democratic Party could come up with. The Democrats presumably would have more difficulty in the general election with a candidate like Sanders, than Biden. If the same situation exists in 2024 then maybe a Biden candidacy makes a lot of sense, from the Democrats' perspective.

The Progressives were able to have their cake and eat it too though. Biden was more electable than Sanders. And after the general election, he swung to the left. For example, it's hard to know whether Biden or Elizabeth Warren, through her accolytes installed throughout his administration, is calling the shots for financial regulation. And the Biden administration is pushing the Green agenda as hard as it can without ruining the Party's chances at the polls.

[CheckMate1]

No.

Yes.

Exactly!

You don't like the guy and his policies, and that's fine.

But at least you can see why that "criminal syndicate" thingy didn't seat well with me.

I agree. Don't like his policies, cool. We can debate on it.

Accusing someone of a crime, have some evidence, not just hearsays, rumors, or conspiracy theories.

Side note, when the person who's leading the charge says, "Well, unfortunately we can't track down the informant. We are hopeful the informant is still there," a. How do you lose informant? Be. Couldn't you have recorded your conversations?

[Xpartan]

Do you think I'm that stupid Xpartan?

No.

Did you read the entire post?

Yes.

No, raising taxes and imposing crazy, draconian regulations are not crimes, in the legal sense. Handing out subsidies to favored industries and campaign contributors usually isnt either.

Exactly!

You don't like the guy and his policies, and that's fine.

But at least you can see why that "criminal syndicate" thingy didn't seat well with me.