German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Pahllus Maximus]

Such a thing exists. The Big Mac Index. Exists that gives a common price for various countries said to reflect economic efficiency. Maybe the mongers here should create a standardized WG profile (say 7-9/10 looks, DFK, BBJCIM) and post data to enable a market place. Maybe even create a swaps market like the price of Brent crude oil. Just saying.

[Steve 9696]

Perhaps it's because I feel like "reality bites" (too rarely is it happily ever after), and so I would rather deal with women through "escapist fantasy" versus acknowledging, accepting, and coping with how it all really and truly is in "real" life. It's just easier and more satisfying to me. Anybody else care to opine?

Despite some men being pigs as the saying goes, I think many men are after more than sex. We want to recapture those butterflies of when you are first head over heels for some girl. And so things like DFK which is the entry into that world are at a premium. I know I would pay cash dollars to just slow dance and DFK a girl who is really into kissing. Girls like Thifany (Fazendinha) or Rika (exTHC) or Honey (THC) or Bella (Indy) or Kate (Globe). It feels like a real connection that is indescribable. Yes, if choosing sex or that, I would choose the DFK slow dance — sap that I am. (Fortunately I never had to choose!

When I totally lucked out and had Thifany as my girlfriend for a week, it was total emotional connection and butterflies. Having a 23 year old on your arm and on the dance floor is intoxicating. Leaving her was heartbreaking but totally worth the ride. As a realist I know real life would never be like that week. I know she will get lazy or needy or both and sure enough we have drifted apart. This is really for the best as it can never be the same.

So we keep it all temporary and try to string together a set of butterflies. I surely hope I can find another. In the meantime quality in-room time will have to do.

P.S. If you want more on the whole Thifany story it is too long to post — just I'm me.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Pistons. As at 2019 just about everyone has a productivity glut and play exchange rate games to sell more crap. Now we have a trade war and another war of 5 G standards and who controls the internet toll gate. Meanwhile, all the benefits have trickled up, and rich people do not spend much of their income (unlike most people who spend nearly all of it). This is like a giant blood clot and not enough income flowing around, and thus less money by normal people to buy crap. The Trump Godzilla tax break is going into stock buybacks and making CEO's rich. However you look at it, money flows up and gets clotted. They do not hire people or invest in are&the. The pie may be bigger, but shared between fewer. This is the basic problem for weak demand = lack of widely distributed decent income.

Oh, and massive asset inflation as a disguised bail out. The pension funds and insurers need at least 7% to pay long term liabilities. That is also a Ponzi scheme. Insurers are quite sick after a decade of silly low rates and chasing high risk stuff to make up lost ground. So, there is a hell of a lot of money sloshing about in speculation and assets, and cracks are everywhere. The central banks keep papering over it. There are even explicitly NEGATIVE interest rates in parts of Europe, and yet they are still pushing on string. We should have reset the balance sheets in 2009 and figured how to get spendable income to ordinary people. But, greed won, and here we are. Something will trigger it. The Italian and Spanish banks have psychiatric accounting just as Cyprus banks collapsed (and some pissed of Russians). Maybe that. Or steadily more bonds failing. As for China, well we have Alice in Wonderland accounts, but it too has serious problems and surplus production, shrinking income for ordinary people, and ageing population. The miracle is much less so behind the managed stage and massaged figures. The Euro and the EU is a mess of radically different fiscal responsibility entities and economies that is a house of cards.

The USD is the least worst currency. Japan, I think, is good long term as its population drops to a level aligned with the need for a lot less people. Jeremy Rivkin wrote in 1995 "In virtually every major manufacturing activity, human labour is being steadily replaced by machines. Today, millions of working men and women around the world find themselves trapped between economic eras and increasingly marginalised by the introduction of new laboursaving technology. By the mid-decades of the coming century, the blue collar worker will have passed from history, a casualty of the relentless March toward ever greater technological efficiency. " Update that after 25 years to include travel agents, lawyers, accountants vast tracts of retail people, and so on, including radiologists. Gene therapy will put many surgeons out of work, pharmacists and maybe even big pharma as tailored medicine becomes in vogue. The good new is that we can create treatment for anti-biotic resistant microbes and maybe even lovely skin. AI, when it happens, will create a shattering paradigm shift. It might be the best store of value is stock in Google and Amazon or Baidu.

More scary still is that we may be the last natural humans. Genetic manipulation on humans is well and truly happening behind the scenes because it is irresistible. The genie is out of the bottle, and very wealthy may indeed be able to create an objective super race just as we knocked off the Neanderthals. The even more scary question becomes "what do we want to become" ?

Despite this, ripe, youthful pussy in its prime is ours right here, right now. New stuff on the market all the time. Girls born in 2000 to 2002 are coming on line for our lustful desires. Who said millennial were useless?

With FKK priced in Euros (that I think has more downside risk than upside) - yahoo, here I come).

[Takedown]

Psychologists believe there are two types of empathy: cognitive and affective.

So a WG can have cognitive empathy. They are good at reading the lovesick monger's emotions but they may not really care about his emotions. This high emotional intelligence that they possess can be used to manipulate or what Wikipedia refers to as "tactical or strategic empathy", which is the deliberate use of perspective-taking to achieve certain desired ends.
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Human beings are able to display empathy on a situational basis:

To be reminded of this, we can look back to the slavery era. Were all white plantation owners in the Americas and Caribbean sociopaths? I suspect they were able to feel true empathy for their own family members and other members of the white race, but not their black slaves, who were beaten, brutalized, and exploited. If a black mother was separated from her children, surely they were able to recognize and see the pain in her face (cognitive empathy), but they did not share her personal distress. They did not consider her human. So with people in her personal life, a WG may have both cognitive and affective empathy, but with her clients, she may only have cognitive empathy.

Fair distinction. We can differentiate the types of empathy by categorizing them or is it more accurate to place them on a threshold gradient? I have empathy for my dog when he is bored at home wanting to go for a walk. I truly feel bad that he is not outside running and playing. Much like my desire to stretch my social legs when I want human interaction, I empathize with his boredom. Now does that empathy cross an intolerable threshold where I can overcome my personal desires to be lazy at home? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Did I feel empathy and even feel that I was a bad master every time I ignored his whines to go for a walk? Yes, but often it did not cross the threshold required for me to do something about it.

An even darker scenario is the mother of a crying baby. Sometimes the mom is so tired that she cannot garner the energy to console a crying child. My friend would even purposely go to the patio to escape the kid's cries. Did she have empathy and actually felt pain for her child? I know for a fact she did. But in that tired state, that empathy could not overcome her need for respite care of her own sanity.

This threshold theory is supported by the scenario you painted before where a WG finally cuts ties with a monger once her reasoning no longer "assuages her guilt."

[McAdonis]

As a response to McAdonis: Every seller has to sometimes battle with the ideas you project there. The ethical side of juggling empathy with the buyer as well as your own need to make an income. But this is like Takedown rightly points out, also a key reason to why the experienced seller is so good at empathy. But as soon as he gives in too much, and stops making excuses for why he takes the buyers money, he or she wants to quit. The grey lies have gone too far. A psychopath? Maybe. Sales psychology mentions this a lot, and this is why good sales companies usually have a psychologist to help them deal with this problem.

Opposite ends of the spectrum!

Many salesmen want to make profits, and often with the goal of building a sustainable relationship with their clients. For instance, some money managers may push certain products to get higher commissions. In doing so, they are looking out for their own interests, but they also have the goal of ensuring their clients get decent investment returns. Their goal is to not drain their client financially, potentially down to their last cent or sell bogus, fraudulent products and services, so these men are not psychopaths.

Then you have salesman like Bernie Madoff that abuse trust and commit fraud. He was running Ponzi schemes and taking people's life savings. This requires callousness and we can consider people like him a true psychopath. In brothels, you do not have to look hard to find lonely, vulnerable men. WGs may realize that their client is spending beyond his means because he is lovesick. End result is potentially no different than the demise of some of Madoff's clients. Financial pain. Emotional pain. And sometimes even suicide.

[Mr Ho]

Perhaps it's because I feel like "reality bites" (too rarely is it happily ever after), and so I would rather deal with women through "escapist fantasy" versus acknowledging, accepting, and coping with how it all really and truly is in "real" life. It's just easier and more satisfying to me. Anybody else care to opine?

I only like girls when they are beautiful, so traditional way of mating called marriage or relationship cannot work in long term, it only work in short term, so mongering naturally works better to serve my interest and preference avoiding not necessary costs, time, nerve and problems. The whole thing changed for me when prostitution industry began supplying top level looking girls with such a easy access here, Germany, Switzerland etc.

Rationally speaking, it is not normal to fuck old or middle age ugly women just because you tend to like or love her as a person, I mean I can like some women very much as a person, I just do not have to kiss, fuck or live with her. They are just friends I tend to like or respect very much and no sex is needed between friends.

I fuck many young beautiful girls doing all sort of things and I do socializing with friends. For me, it make sense the most and it is happy ever after.

[McAdonis]

Right. You are explaining the reasoning behind the ability to separate empathy and actions exemplary of traditional morality. So these WGs are capable of truly relating to and empathizing with the monger. Some of them just have moral codes that allow them to exploit a man's lust or loneliness.

Psychologists believe there are two types of empathy: cognitive and affective.

"There are two kinds of empathy. Cognitive empathy is the ability to know what other people are feeling, and emotional empathy is the kind where you feel what they're feeling," explains James Fallon, a neuroscientist at the University of California and the author of The Psychopath Inside: A Neuroscientist's Personal Journey Into the Dark Side of the Brain.

Psychopaths are specialists in cognitive empathy. "This all gives certain psychopaths a great advantage, because they can understand what you're thinking, it's just that they don't care, so they can use you against yourself," Fallon says.

https://www.eqapplied.com/bariso/5-ways-psychopaths-use-emotional-intelligence-according-to-science

So a WG can have cognitive empathy. They are good at reading the lovesick monger's emotions but they may not really care about his emotions. This high emotional intelligence that they possess can be used to manipulate or what Wikipedia refers to as "tactical or strategic empathy", which is the deliberate use of perspective-taking to achieve certain desired ends.

Human beings are able to display empathy on a situational basis:

Perhaps one of the most insidious forms of anti-social personality disorder is what may be termed situational sociopathy or psychopathy, where an individual extends cordiality, respect, and regard towards some, but exhibits inhumanity, harshness, and cruelty towards others. Targets of situational sociopathy or psychopathy are usually individuals or groups considered to be other, lesser, or weaker, and may be based on factors such as gender, class, race, sexual orientation, social standing, societal afflictions, etc. This sociopathic splitting views some people as fully human, and others as objects, commodities, and less human. Situational sociopathy or psychopathy contributes to many unjust conditions, such as misogyny, class bigotry, racism, homophobia, religious intolerance, extreme poverty, and structural violence in society.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/communication-success/201810/7-characterisitics-the-modern-psychopath

To be reminded of this, we can look back to the slavery era. Were all white plantation owners in the Americas and Caribbean sociopaths? I suspect they were able to feel true empathy for their own family members and other members of the white race, but not their black slaves, who were beaten, brutalized, and exploited. If a black mother was separated from her children, surely they were able to recognize and see the pain in her face (cognitive empathy), but they did not share her personal distress. They did not consider her human. So with people in her personal life, a WG may have both cognitive and affective empathy, but with her clients, she may only have cognitive empathy.

[Pistons]

And when did you decide to be straight?

Geeze.

Sorry, I should have told you sooner. Well, what can I say? Though luck?

[Neurosynth]

Another guy I knew once was gay. He lived in a big city with over 5 million people. Had been rejected by several girls early in his life, and eventually turned gay to find comfort.

And when did you decide to be straight?

Geeze.

[Takedown]

So often here, people talk about finding a real woman or real feelings, of course in brothels. It is a bit like going to a zoo to see real wild animals.

They never talk about why mongers (real men?) find themselves constantly in brothels again.

Why FKKs specifically?

Reliable and cost effective access to a diverse variety of female bodies in their prime without the the risk of possibly fruitlessly spending time and financial resources attempting to bed females in the real world with the added benefits of a social sandbox, food, drinks, and wellness amenities.

I feel so sorry for this two-box woman. The fragmentation of the human psyche to create boxed parts is one of the main goals actively pursued by neoliberalism.

I've heard a couple WGs tell me about their desire to separate these boxes. Can you blame them? It serves to protect both their sense of self and their source of income. Some practice this, some don't, and some say they do only to develop in-the-job relationships anyway. But you're right, it must be hard on them to keep their identities separate.

[Chongmal]

So often here, people talk about finding a real woman or real feelings, of course in brothels. It is a bit like going to a zoo to see real wild animals.

They never talk about why mongers (real men?) find themselves constantly in brothels again.

I feel so sorry for this two-box woman. The fragmentation of the human psyche to create boxed parts is one of the main goals actively pursued by neoliberalism.

I think she is rather level headed. She has a customer who keeps telling her that he will change her mind, she keeps telling him it is not possible because she will not let it be. I admire her honesty.

I would be interested in your professional viewpoints as a psychologist on this fragmented psyche theory.

[Chongmal]

Sounds a lot like being friendzoned (except in reverse I guess). Good luck with that. Maybe you need to think outside the Box.

It's amazing how much Romanian girls have learnt from American Women without ever meeting them. They simply read what AWs have carved out in American guys' brains, and take their cue from that.

Two points, I never thought I would be friends or anything more with her so no pity is necessary. The assumption that she is Romanian is incorrect. She is a really nice lady.

[The Cane]

So often here, people talk about finding a real woman or real feelings, of course in brothels. It is a bit like going to a zoo to see real wild animals. They never talk about why mongers (real men?) find themselves constantly in brothels again.

Perhaps it's because I feel like "reality bites" (too rarely is it happily ever after), and so I would rather deal with women through "escapist fantasy" versus acknowledging, accepting, and coping with how it all really and truly is in "real" life. It's just easier and more satisfying to me. Anybody else care to opine?

[Frank992]

I need some independent escorts sites from Dusseldorf or Koln. Is there any site for all Germany or are more? I never was to apartments just in FKK and I want to know more about this. Can anybody help me?

[Pistons]

So often here, people talk about finding a real woman or real feelings, of course in brothels. It is a bit like going to a zoo to see real wild animals.

They never talk about why mongers (real men?) find themselves constantly in brothels again.

I feel so sorry for this two-box woman. The fragmentation of the human psyche to create boxed parts is one of the main goals of neoliberalism.

I agree fully. But I am not so sure it is the girl who is to blame. But rather the society at large, forcing this area of life into the underground.

First part of your comment made me laugh a bit. You are totally right there! Silly terms indeed.

Like testing the theory of cold outside on a winter day. Is it cold because the weather forecast said it would be, or is it really cold outside? Because even if you didn't see the forecast, you might have been affected by the presence of someone who might just have seen it. So in order to test the thesis, you basically need to bring out someone from a mental institution. Preferably an old person. Somebody not able to get affect by others, and who has his own little box around him. And then see if he falls on what is presumably real ice. Otherwise, it might not be ice at all.

Fake ice!