German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Sebastiane]

Interesting discussion. Personally I think that in countries with FKK clubs it is a safer option going to them for all the reasons HB has listed. A visit for me at a FKK club is a whole day out with wellness, food, drink and naked girls all included so it's a great way to spend an entire day, especially in the summer. And I can see the girls in the flesh before I decide to go with them.

I sometimes use escorts too and then the online sites are really helpful. The downside with the online escorts is that most escorts sites have photoshopped pictures and you never know exactly what the girl is going to be until she arrives at your hotel. Having said that I've found you can find some agencies that are very professional and give excellent service (review sites like this one or others are a good place to find them). The advantage of escorts is that, if you're willing to pay, the top end high class escorts have girls who are 10's and provide excellent service. And the cost per hour equals that of top FKK girls if you take into account things like extras. The escort experience is a separate experience to the FKK one and both are great in their own way. Some of the most beautiful girls I've ever been with have been escorts in London and Berlin. The other big advantage escorts have over FKKs is that whereas 90% of all girls in FKKs are Romanians / Eastern European with escort agencies it is possible to have sex with girls from almost any nationality and ethnicity especially in large metropolises like London and Berlin.

I prefer FKKs when I'm in Germany but if I'm in another country then I'll go for escorts (or 'freebies' although I've had a lot of success in recent times using sugar daddy sites too in a number of countries); sometimes in Germany I also like to use escorts if I want a bit of a different luxury experience: I'll book a 5 star hotel and then call a hot girl from one of the escort agencies I trust and book her for a few hours to my fancy hotel for a romantic evening. The downside of this is, of course, the cost but it produces a great experience. I did that in Berlin with a Finnish escort last year and she was one of the most beautiful girls I've fucked in my life- a real 10. I've also done the same with a ballerina using a sugar daddy website where I stayed in a Schloss and invited her over for the weekend- fantastic experience!

However overall I prefer the FKKs for 90% of the time and only use escorts in 'dry' countries although recently I'm getting more and more into sugar daddy dating.

In an FKK I can --and often do- 4 or 5 girls in a single day which would be prohibitively expensive using only escorts. And I love the wellness facilities in a place like Sakura although most FKKs have good wellness facilities. (In a 5 star hotel you can also get excellent spa facilities but for a lot more! I agree with the OP who said that the internet has transformed the prostitution business -FKKs are the sole exception). Also have used Kaufmich / adultwork but it is hit and miss with them.

I think the internet has been a great democratiser for sex workers as it offers women the chance to work safely without pimps etc. If they so choose.

[Hessen Bub]

FKK clubs require less reports or reviews. There's the WYSIWYG effect plus other guys in the clubs who are open to talk about the girls and their service, there's a kind of community around regulars and even foreigners. You just ask a guy if the girl was good or not, if she kissed or not etc.

All other P6 options are anonymous. You do not see other mongers. So there's a demand to exchange reviews and reports online.

HB.

[Mongerer88]

These countries never had anything comparable in scale and efficiency to German FKK. So if a new business model were to take over, it would not happen overnight. I suppose Spain may have big-scale brothels, but as you say the offerings are inconsistent (I. E. Some CBJ, different prices), which suggests me the operators are hand-off, and perhaps that turned off the local populace and pushed them towards a different scene.

Reading reviews and seeing links works well for me even if the face is blurred out. I am more concerned with body. As long as the photos are relatively recent and not over-photoshopped, I can still be 80% confident that I will be happy with the WG once I see her in person. Other guys are more face-oriented, and put a lot more emphasis on "chemistry".

The local german boards will have more reviews on non-FKK. ISG will be 90% FKK-focused.

I don't mean to get off topic, but personally most of my Spain bookings are with independents, so I am not overly knowledgeable about the brothels and clubs other than what I read from other posters (and a few trips myself to big and small brothels there). Personally I use an agency for the most part in Portugal, but they provide translation and booking for the ladies, not management. Most of the locals seem to prefer independents over either the brothels or an agency.

Your use of the word operators is consistent with the point I was trying to make. It seems that in countries where more of the action, so to speak, is online from an advertisement and review perspective, the trend with respect to the quantity of reviews and the reviews noting the most GFE and specialized services have been toward independents and boutique brothels and agencies, not large scale brothel operations. With FKKs, I understand the efficiencies of putting a lot of less prosperous Eastern European women who do not have a lot of access to start-up capital together with the many business travelers and wealthy German locals.

But it seems to me that in most of Europe the efficiencies have gone the other way. Give a hard-working young lady a smart phone and an Internet ad on an established board, and once she gets a few reviews, she is making a lot of money without the need for overhead and management at a big brothel. But I guess the same thing doesn't work everywhere. Just like the post that started this discussion, some of us love online shopping, others prefer the big shopping mall.

[Member #4581]

At the true brothels in those specified countries, the offerings differ from lady to lady. The bad news is that some ladies are CBJ, non-GFE. The good news is that most are BBBJ / GFE and there are few, if any, reports of a foreigner being treated differently than a local. She does what she does with little favoritism for locals or regulars. The only exception is at the very large Barcelona brothels with traditional line-ups, where upsells for CIM and anal often occur and those upsells are high. I am not sure that they upsell foreigners more so than locals, because the local Barcelona review board focuses on the smaller brothels that have little or no upsells.

There is a more significant standardization of service amongst independents and agency girls who have their own profile within an agency website listing her services. Most perform exactly what they offer in their online ads, or they get called out on it in reviews and it hurts business. And relatively more reviews on ISG are of independents in Spain and of independents or specific agency ladies in Lisbon.

I know I am over stereotyping those three distinct markets, but the larger point I was making was that if you look at the ISG threads in most countries of Europe. Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic, France, United Kingdom, etc. , you will find a trend toward fewer reports of clubs and line-up brothels, and more reports with links to specific ads where a lady is working as an independent, for an agency, or at a very small brothel and her specific service offerings are listed and the customer needs to make an appointment to see her either outcall, at a shared trick pad, at her apartment, or at the small brothel. Those are things made available to a foreigner as a result of technology and efficiency that did not exist that long ago. It has changed the scene in those places and in my unsupportable way of thinking, has likely brought some talent into the business that would not have existed if those ladies had to work long hours at a line-up style brothel.

I found it interesting that those same changes do not seem to occur in Germany, at least at the same pace. When I go to an a FKK website, I barely see a girl, let alone details about each lady. But the customers seem quite happy with the system, so that is what counts. At the end of the day, we are all getting the same thing. I guess we are really discussing the delivery mechanism. Some guys enjoy going to the bookstore and browsing. Other guys prefer to buy the book (and see what others thought of the book) while on Amazon. Eventually they both read the book, and in this scenario, have sex with the girl.

Very well articulated. Thank you.

Traveling to European cities, I face several challenges when using sites to pick girls. First, google would show several sites and unless I am a frequent user already, I don't know which site is reliable. There are dozens of girls obviously, but many are likely photoshopped. The reviews sometimes get translated well on my iPad, sometimes not. Have no idea which review is biased and not, who wrote it, and if the reviewer has an axe to grind. You have to call the girl, make an appointment, figure out how to get to her place, and then do the deed. All of this is a mood killing process.

In a large club like Sharks, even to an occasional visitor like me, several girls' faces are already familiar. Over time, I know what to expect; things don't change all that much. There is enough turnover to make sure the lineup is not stale and to keep me interested, at the same time there are enough regulars to provide safe sessions.

If I am interested in just a single session per day or one to two sessions in a week, picking a girl off the catalog or website would work just fine. That used to be my consumption pattern prior to my FKK discovery. FKKs have changed that model. For one, consumption volumes have increased massively. Where I used to partake a session or two, now it is 15 or more per trip. Someone like YAmaYama takes nearly 30-40 sessions in a 10 day trip, per his reports. I think it is very difficult to consume that many sessions in as many days if I had to do this in a setting outside FKK. For cost, logistics, and feasibility reasons.

[Hessen Bub]

Only been to a club in Spain once. Had four sessions, all included DFK and BBBJ for the standard pricing.

HB.

[McAdonis]

I know I am over stereotyping those three distinct markets, but the larger point I was making was that if you look at the ISG threads in most countries of Europe. Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic, France, United Kingdom, etc. , you will find a trend toward fewer reports of clubs and line-up brothels, and more reports with links to specific ads where a lady is working as an independent, for an agency, or at a very small brothel and her specific service offerings are listed and the customer needs to make an appointment to see her either outcall, at a shared trick pad, at her apartment, or at the small brothel. Those are things made available to a foreigner as a result of technology and efficiency that did not exist that long ago. It has changed the scene in those places and in my unsupportable way of thinking, has likely brought some talent into the business that would not have existed if those ladies had to work long hours at a line-up style brothel.

These countries never had anything comparable in scale and efficiency to German FKK. So if a new business model were to take over, it would not happen overnight. I suppose Spain may have big-scale brothels, but as you say the offerings are inconsistent (I. E. Some CBJ, different prices), which suggests me the operators are hand-off, and perhaps that turned off the local populace and pushed them towards a different scene.

Reading reviews and seeing links works well for me even if the face is blurred out. I am more concerned with body. As long as the photos are relatively recent and not over-photoshopped, I can still be 80% confident that I will be happy with the WG once I see her in person. Other guys are more face-oriented, and put a lot more emphasis on "chemistry".

The local german boards will have more reviews on non-FKK. ISG will be 90% FKK-focused.

[McAdonis]

Kaufmich deletes negative reviews if the girl requests it.

HB.

I don't think I've really read a Kaufmich review. I meant cross-referencing with a board. That seems to be the case with the adultwork site in the UK. The reviews suspiciously seem positive. And the reports are shorter than a Tweet, so instinctively I've always used other boards.

[Hessen Bub]

I've used Kaufmich, but I only picked girls who had reviews. I'd probably use Kaufmich more often if FKK clubs didn't exist of course.

Kaufmich deletes negative reviews if the girl requests it.

HB.

[Mongerer88]

Is there a service standard in Madrid, Spain, Lisbon brothels? One reason to avoid independents, is that there will be some oversight. Management keeps the girls from cheating whether that be a mega-brothel or a small escort agency. It may be the men are just fed up with inconsistent service, and found alternatives.

I've used Kaufmich, but I only picked girls who had reviews. I'd probably use Kaufmich more often if FKK clubs didn't exist of course.

At the true brothels in those specified countries, the offerings differ from lady to lady. The bad news is that some ladies are CBJ, non-GFE. The good news is that most are BBBJ / GFE and there are few, if any, reports of a foreigner being treated differently than a local. She does what she does with little favoritism for locals or regulars. The only exception is at the very large Barcelona brothels with traditional line-ups, where upsells for CIM and anal often occur and those upsells are high. I am not sure that they upsell foreigners more so than locals, because the local Barcelona review board focuses on the smaller brothels that have little or no upsells.

There is a more significant standardization of service amongst independents and agency girls who have their own profile within an agency website listing her services. Most perform exactly what they offer in their online ads, or they get called out on it in reviews and it hurts business. And relatively more reviews on ISG are of independents in Spain and of independents or specific agency ladies in Lisbon.

I know I am over stereotyping those three distinct markets, but the larger point I was making was that if you look at the ISG threads in most countries of Europe. Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic, France, United Kingdom, etc. , you will find a trend toward fewer reports of clubs and line-up brothels, and more reports with links to specific ads where a lady is working as an independent, for an agency, or at a very small brothel and her specific service offerings are listed and the customer needs to make an appointment to see her either outcall, at a shared trick pad, at her apartment, or at the small brothel. Those are things made available to a foreigner as a result of technology and efficiency that did not exist that long ago. It has changed the scene in those places and in my unsupportable way of thinking, has likely brought some talent into the business that would not have existed if those ladies had to work long hours at a line-up style brothel.

I found it interesting that those same changes do not seem to occur in Germany, at least at the same pace. When I go to an a FKK website, I barely see a girl, let alone details about each lady. But the customers seem quite happy with the system, so that is what counts. At the end of the day, we are all getting the same thing. I guess we are really discussing the delivery mechanism. Some guys enjoy going to the bookstore and browsing. Other guys prefer to buy the book (and see what others thought of the book) while on Amazon. Eventually they both read the book, and in this scenario, have sex with the girl.

[McAdonis]

For guys like me in a relationship it is much safer to go to a club. Online booking leaves too much of a data trail especially if phone verification is required.

Attending a FKK is risky if the monger's social and professional network is in the same geographic proximity as the FKK club. Why would a guy's Audi be seen driving in an industrial area on a Sunday night?

Many married mongers don't have the luxury to dedicate more than 1-2 hours for the hobby. FKKs don't really offer value if that's the case. Exception is maybe older married mongers in their 60's. Their wives I assume don't keep tabs on them anymore. So they can enjoy 12 hours at the club once a week no problem.

[McAdonis]

Today, there are incredibly detailed online advertising sites with detailed pictures and videos in those cities. Girls advertise very specific services including details regarding BBBJ, CIM, Greek, BDSM, and there are now a lot of reviews of independents and escort ladies advertising on those sites. Those reviews appear in abundance on ISG and even more so on the four local language review boards for those three cities. There are fewer brothel reviews on those four review sites, and the brothels that are reviewed tend to be smaller ones with 10 of fewer ladies that have upped their web presence with pictures and details of service offerings. A foreigner can simply access a completely different, and in my opinion better, market in those cities than he could even five years ago, and if he reads reviews, he should rarely be disappointed.

Is there a service standard in Madrid, Spain, Lisbon brothels? One reason to avoid independents, is that there will be some oversight. Management keeps the girls from cheating whether that be a mega-brothel or a small escort agency. It may be the men are just fed up with inconsistent service, and found alternatives.

I've used Kaufmich, but I only picked girls who had reviews. I'd probably use Kaufmich more often if FKK clubs didn't exist of course.

[Optimist]

For guys like me in a relationship it is much safer to go to a club. Online booking leaves too much of a data trail especially if phone verification is required.

[Exodus8]

Agree Master HB.

Additionally, for guys its less risky seeing how the girls looks like and also how they behave I. E. Classy behavior LOL.

For girls its about safety and to a certain degree also choose who they want to session with and hence you have the "asian killers" hehe.

[Hessen Bub]

There's a tiny difference between shopping for a book online at Amazon and having it sent home to read it and booking a hooker online. Most mongers wouldn't want her to be "delivered" to their homes with the wife and kids around. LOL. Or to book a hotel room. The clubs are providing the platform where girls and boys can meet, talk to each other, there's a big choice of girls depending on the size of the club, there's a certain standard to the service and probably most important for the guys is the wysiwyg effect.

I don't see any online trend for P6 in Germany besides more and more online advertising.

HB.

[The Cane]

Wow from Denmark too? That is a catch. I got blonde half swedish and german once in artemis, former palace girl named Kimmi few years ago that is.

Yes, I've had one Dane in my life, and also 100% Swedish from Gothenburg, Sweden. She was at Globe in Zurich when I went. Fucked her in her attractive, blonde, Nordic butt hole too! What else? Haha! Also sucked my dick like a mad woman throwing that pretty blonde hair every which a way LOL! Another flag to my extensive collection!