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[Camel Toe Jockey]

Girl 17. Which one? I've had several of those SAS girls. You have to be careful, the company management doesn't like 'outsiders' touching 'their' girls. It's a shame.

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[TheyStoleMyName]

i'm not this vain. but. whatever. someone requested this info so here goes. i'll be vague for obvious reasons.

these are only the girls that i have actually met in person. there are many, many more that i have known but only online or over the phone.

girl 1: american. "black. " muslim. i met her on facebook. here with her mother. her mother knows that she goes out all the time and doesn't mind. we met four times, i think. one time we met in a mall parking lot. she stayed in the taxi cab and called me to tell me to get in. we went to eat at an asian restaurant. the next time we met and then went downtown to stroll around the king abdulaziz museum and eat falafel. after that she tried coming over to my hotel room once, but one of the bengali hotel staff followed us upstairs and was staring at us, which made her very uncomfortable, so she left. the next time i told her to sneak in through the garage and successfully got her in my room. we watched a movie. it got "sexual, " but we didn't have sex. made her feel awkward and i didn't see her after that.

girl 2: was walking through the mall when i saw a couple girls, one with unveiled face and one with a veil and a baby carriage. saudi. the unveiled one was smiling very broadly at me. my friend and i went and sat down near them at the coffee place they were at. when we did this, the staff rushed out and told the women they had to leave. we got up and followed them into a store. after shadowing them for a while, the unveiled girl finally said "okay. give me number. " i did.

that night at 4 am she called me and started masturbating on the phone. her english was awful. she was trying to talk dirty but didn't even know the word for penis. "what name for man part ungh ungh ungh? " she asked me inbetween moans.

we tried to set up a meeting but it was extremely difficult given her poor english and my non-existent arabic. i think she may have been married and looking to cheat but it's really kind of hard to say- her english was that bad.

once i told her to meet me at the mall at 4:30 and she thought i meant immediately. so she went there while i was still at work.

when we finally managed to coordinate a time to be at the mall together, the plan was that we would meet there and then walk together back to my house. but instead, she showed up and acted like she didn't know me. i followed her around and she was not answering her phone. infuriating. but some saudis tell me that this is their equivalent of a date.

this happened two more times. made plans to meet her. met up at the mall. she acted like she didn't know me. and she was still calling me up in the middle of the night and masturbating all the time.

i couldn't take all the shenanigans so finally told her to stop. she did.

girl 3: a saudi girl in a full hijab and niqab (veiled). still looked cute. i could tell she was smiling at me when i saw her at the used furniture store. my friend asked as she walked past "what's your name? " she turned around, a little shocked, and told us. friend and i followed at a safe distance for a while. when she was sitting by herself my friend engaged the shop owner in some bargaining over the price of a mattress and i walked past the girl. she put out her hand and i slipped my phone number into her palm and walked away. she called later but her english was atrocious. i got her msn id, and talked to her there. she told me she wanted me to fuck her and pop her cherry. but it never actually happened.

girl 4: a saudi girl at the mall. in a veil, not sure what she looked like, but again i could tell she was smiling at me. she was sitting with her young brother. i got fairly close and checked my bluetooth. there was one in english that's id was "hello, its me. " i sent my photo with my phone number to her and walked away. she called me.

didn't hear from her after that until several months later. but then she spent most of her energy trying to convert me and tell me about islam. we never went on a proper date.

girl 5: a saudi girl that messaged me on facebook in response to something i had posted. from a well-known family. her family is. moderate. probably more liberal than most. they let her work and go out but don't know she is meeting western men. she was not a virgin and neither was her sister. we talked online for a while and agreed to meet at a restaurant.

i got to the restaurant first and told them i was meeting my wife there. i went up to the family section and waited for the girl to arrive. we ate dinner, then after dinner she took me to a mall for coffees and to meet her two younger sisters.

i was seeing this girl for a while. we would go out for dinner or lunch and nobody ever bothered us, except actually for the first night we had coffees when some random old woman started asking the girls in arabic who this man was that they were with and they told her to mind her own business. sometimes the girl and her sister and me and my roommate would all go out together to the mall and walk around together. they were unveiled and there was no issue.

she and her sister came over to my house several times. we got naked a few times. engaged in cunnulingus. almost had intercourse, but she stopped me and told me she felt like she was cheating. turns out she was hung up on some other guy she had never told me about.

anyway we stopped seeing each other over that and she decided to try and make things work out with this other guy.

before that, though. we were talking about being a couple. she did want me to come over to her house and meet her whole family. but i never actually did that. we were never officially a couple. she asked me to marry her at one point, more so that she could be emancipated from her family than anything else, but we decided against this. she tells me her family would have approved as long as i converted to islam but i don't know, i never met them aside from the sisters.

girls 6 and 7: girl 5's two younger sisters. i know i probably could have hooked up with girl 6. but my roommate was interested and i stepped out of the way. now she is in the usa with him. girl 7 was way **** so let's not go there.

girl 8: an absolutely gorgeous saudi girl i met online. we met up for sort of a double-date (i brought along my roommate and she brought along her chubby friend) at a starbuck's. sat together in the family section. neither of them were veiled, inside or outside. we went to eat at a buffet. then we went together to go bowling. lots of young saudi guys were staring at us very intently. some smiling wry smiles. some just open-mouthed stares. probably dangerous to go there.

after she said that she had a good time and wanted to see me again. but we never actually did. i asked why, and if it had anything to do with the fact that i was being a little forward (i was holding her hand in the car, put my hands on her shoulders when we were outside and it was cold). she said maybe. i don't know what the real story was.

girl 9: young filipina girl i met online. she invited me to some event at the filipino embassy.

girls 10 and 11: friends of girl 9. i think i had a real shot with 10 except she moved back to the philippines. she seemed to like me a lot.

girls 12, 13, 14: filipina nurses i met at the embassy. all three were interested in me. but they were having trouble getting out of their accommodation, and none of them were really that cute. i never saw any of them again even though one is still trying to be my girlfriend.

girl 15: african. muslim. her family has been thoroughly saudi-ized, though, and has lived here for a generation. i met her at an event at the us embassy. she is the one that invited me to the one compound party i went to. we were seeing each other periodically, but not commonly. we've tried having sex several times but the best we did was oral. she's still a virgin and afraid of both the pain of first coitus and also afraid her father will actually murder her if he finds out. the last time we tried to have sex she came over with her young brother who stayed outside and watched movies on my tv. we have met up at the mall before, along with her brother and cousin, but got comments from some who saw a "white" guy sitting with some "black" girls to be suspicious. we've also gone walking outside but she always walks behind me, afraid that people will know we're not related and be suspicious. her mother knows all about me and is approving of the relationship. her father doesn't know anything. he's trying to arrange marriages for her with african guys but she doesn't want this.

girl 16: filipina nurse i met online. we met in a mall parking lot and went straight to my house. we watched a movie then got naked together but mostly just humped. i didn't see her again after that. she moved back to the philippines eventually. she says she'll have sex with me if i go to visit her there.

girl 17: super hot filipina flight attendant i met online. we were officially a couple but we lived in different cities. i went to see her a few times and slept in her room at the radisson sas. first 2 times there was no problem but the 3rd time some of the hotel staff complained to her employer and i had to stop coming out. lots of good sex, and we walked around the malls in jeddah openly without incident or problem. we also ate together in the family sections of restaurants there.

girl 18: even hotter filipina nurse. met her online. she worked at a much bigger more liberal hospital than the other nurses i met at the embassy. it was no problem for me to go and pick her up from her on-campus housing at the hospital. i took a taxi there, told security i came to visit her, i was let in, she walked out and got in the taxi and we went straight back to my house where we watched half a movie and had sex. just a one night stand.

girls 19 and 20: african-saudi sisters. both model-gorgeous. muslim. they met me at a restaurant and we ate lunch together. one of them wants to marry me. she told her family and they're okay with it as long as i pay a big dowry. don't think that's going to work out though.

those are all the ones that i've met in person here, unless i forgot one.

on top of that there are tons that i have only met online and never in person. some of them are quite beautiful. some are quite young. most of them tell me that they're in love with me by the third conversation and ask me to marry them. but really it's hard to take them seriously when we've never actually met. i know that's how things are done here but from my perspective that's crazy.

almost none of these girls ever told their families about me unless otherwise mentioned. sometimes they bring along sisters or brothers or cousins because it's easier for them to get out of the house if they are going with family members. the brothers/sisters know what's going on usually, even if they are very young.

hope you appreciate all this, took me a while to remember and type it all up.

[TheyStoleMyName]

This is based on what I've been told first hand over the past year and no, it's not hearsay or rumours

Please look up hearsay and rumor and explain to me how YOU posting on the board about what SOME OTHER PERSON told you is NOT hearsay. This is the DEFINITION of the word.

How likely one gets laid here depends on where you are posted and to what kind of social circles you have access to. You also got to be lucky. From what you wrote you were rather lucky.

I'm not lucky. I'm not posted anywhere special. I live in a quiet Saudi neighborhood in one of the most conservative cities in the country. I'm sure I'm better off than somebody stuck in Tabuk. But. Everyone seems to think the Eastern Provinces and Jeddah are better than here.

So, here we go then. It's going to be a novel

great.

But if you read my post carefully I was referring to FOOD containing alcohol.

Is your whole post going to be like this? Are you really that sensitive? Who gives a shit if you said FOOD or not. Let's share information and stop patting ourselves on the back, that's going to make me sick real fast and I won't stick around for the conversation.

Again, you were lucky.

No I wasn't.

the usual custom is.

You know this would be a much more effective way of phrasing your observations, rather than saying that something always happens a certain way 100% of the time. Most of the time when I was correcting you it was over some over-broad generalization like this. Like when you said that Saudis never go without niqab. That's just flat wrong. Maybe the majority of women you see without veils are non-Saudi, but there's a big difference between those two statements. Yes, it's the custom in most places around Saudi Arabia for men and women to be separate inside the house when there is company over.

You working at a university changes the situation slightly.

I was only there for a month.

Don't compare your university experience with the rest of Saudi.

I'm not. I wasn't talking about the university. Actually the university campus was for the most part completely segregated. But I can walk outside, right now, at close to midnight. Go to any of the six malls within walking distance of my house. And I will see a Saudi girl without a veil covering her face. The majority wear niqab but not all of them. Do you actually know any Saudi girls? I talk to them every day. I'm friends with some of them. I've dated a couple. You're over-generalizing and I don't know why. Dramatic effect? Or you just don't want to admit that you said something that wasn't 100% true? Like the alcohol in food bit before.

Also, it makes a different whether or not you are a muslim or none muslim expat. The effect of the former I am not sure about

haha. Then why even bring it up? You just said, "this makes a difference, but I'm not sure if it makes a difference or what that difference is."

blah blah blah the finer details: the religious police has the right to interfere.. Just because it never happened to who you know does not mean it never will.

Yes we all know. But once again, I am relating my REAL personal experience. You are spreading rumors and guesses. I've been here two years and had one encounter with the CPVPV and it was over music in my car, not girls. That's not to say that people don't get in trouble for it, but at least I have tried it and can speak from experience about what happened to me. I can tell you what I read in the newspaper, but why? Anybody here can pick up the newspaper and read the same story.

Point 3. Western compounds

Whatever party you went to was different than the one that I went to. All I have to say.

There were no American girls at the party I went to. They were all European. Why does this matter? (please don't respond and tell us all why it matters in 2-3 paragraphs. Just DROP it)

Meeting girls online: which chat or dating site did you use that is good? Free or pay site? I tried once a dating site, arabs2arabs dot com, but soon found out this to be a scam (still get emails from that site saying "a female member is interested in my profile". Yeah, right.) only trying to extort money.

yeah that site is shit. So is ArabMatchMaker and almost all of them out there to be honest.

Facebook and Myspace are good, but you'll have to go through 100 girls before you find any that want to talk to you. And there are certain approaches that work best there that won't occur to the average guy.

Muslima.com is a legit site and the company that runs the site is good. All of their sites are legit I've used several of them. The problem with Muslima.com is that it is supposed to be a matrimonials site for devout Muslims. So. Good luck.

FilipinaHeart, run by the same company that does Muslima, is an excellent resource. So good in fact I'd be hesitant to share it because I don't want to increase my competition. But I think I'm done with that site for the time being and I'll be leaving this stupid country soon.

I also found some girls on Hot or Not but that site is blocked in Saudi and there is no option to search for girls in Saudi so it's not really the best option.

two british women had been pelted with stones by Saudi teenagers outside a shopping mall in the fancy Olaya district. The security guards did NOT step in. Sure, mugging and all that happens everywhere, in particular in large cities, be it London, New York etc. I just wanted to mention this incident not as a scare but to set things in the right perspective.

I don't envy any woman here. I doubt any are reading these posts, but if they are, I'd advise they never go out by themselves or if they do, they find a trusted driver first and don't walk around outside unescorted.

As for that Sri Lankan girl provided by a friendly waiter, well done.

That was somebody else's story. You got me mixed up with another guy. The only Sri Lankan girl I've ever been with was a prostitute in Singapore who was very pretty and had a body like a Barbie Doll.

"The girls of Riyadh". Is indeed a very interesting read. But. Don't compare the higher echelons of society. With the rest of Saudi.

I only make comparisons where valid comparisons can be made. The girls in Girls of Riyadh are quite similar to many girls that I've met in Saudi Arabia. The ones I know are for the most part not as wealthy or privileged. But they are very similar in how they think, in their desires, in their experiences with men, etc.

take your porn/booze/pork chops etc. Into the country at your risk. Chances are you'll get away with it. In fact many times over. But if you don't who'd been warned

I know. I think I said the exact same thing. No need to warn me.

Finally the best bit: You wrote "I've met unveiled Saudis and gone out on dates with them and their unveiled friends and met all of their unveiled sisters. In public. " Wohoo! Can you please be more specific how you met them, what their families are like, whether or not their parents knew about it (I guess so considering their friends and sisters knew), how far it went (I. E. Going out and talking or staying over at your apartment, perhaps even overnight and including sex, possibly with their parent's knowlegde?), and when you went out in "public" where you actually went that you call 'public'? I guess you also went to their house? If so, what sort of area was that house in? I guess a rich area where the neighbours don't care so much who that family's daughters are seen with?

whoah. You're assuming an awful lot there. I didn't say half of that stuff.

Alright, fine, I'll share the story behind every Saudi girl I've met in person here in my next post. Since you ask.

The holding hands. I wouldn't be that bold, actually. I've seen a couple people doing this at the mall. They were the same or similar ethnicity and I assume they were married, or else just pretty damn ballsy. I've only seen it a couple times. I've never gone out with a girl here who looked like me and I know that this makes us more of a target for muttawa because they assume we are not related, so I wouldn't bother trying to bring MORE attention to us by holding hands.

[TheyStoleMyName]

Nobody died and made me judge but in order to to vet reports of Tomwannabe and Theystolemyname; I will say that Tom provides the "real ksa" version whereas Theystolemyname's version is of someone who has passed the White, Westerner, Privileged, In (or has access to)-a-good-location/sector, and Lucky filter.

Valid reports but entirely different view/vantage points.

Eric

God damn it.

I wrote a much better response to this and it was lost when the page failed to load.

Anyway, my post is as real as it gets. Yeah I'm "White" and "Western" but no Whiter or more Western than any other Westerner that lives here. Tom admits he doesn't really know what he's talking about and is just posting guesses, yet you think his post represents the "real KSA? " Whatever. Everything I posted was from real personal experience. None of it was luck. I'm reasonably attractive. I take advantage of opportunities that present themselves, most of the time. That's all. I'm not connected. I've been on a compound ONCE since I got here. Never been to any secret parties or orgies or anything like that. If you're an Indian or Filipino trying to get by here. I feel sorry for you. Saudis are racist douche bags and they will treat you like shit. Your experience will be different from my own and you'll have to find different things to do. Maybe you can take advantage of the fact that there are huge networks/communities of Asian expats here, something that westerners don't have going for them. But if you are western and not a troll there's no reason why you can't do everything I did. My success rate over the past year has been pretty abysmal in my own estimation, actually. If I was anywhere else in the world I'm sure I would have had more action than here.

[TheyStoleMyName]

Nobody died and made me judge but in order to to vet reports of Tomwannabe and Theystolemyname; I will say that Tom provides the "real ksa" version whereas Theystolemyname's version is of someone who has passed the White, Westerner, Privileged, In (or has access to)-a-good-location/sector, and Lucky filter.

Valid reports but entirely different view/vantage points.

Eric

Uh. Yes, I'm a "White" "Westerner". Whooptee do. I'm certainly not any more privileged than any other Westerners here. I don't live on a compound. I don't know anybody who lives on a compound (not well, anyway). I've only been to a single compound party during the last two years here. I've never hung out at prince's secret orgy houses or anything. I've heard about underground Saudi dance parties but the people who said they would take me to one never actually followed through on that. I live in a quiet Saudi neighborhood. I work in a building where there are no women allowed. I don't feel especially lucky at all.

Trust me I am NOT special. I'm tall, I'm reasonably attractive. Yeah. I'm "White, " and I'm a "Westerner. " But I'm not Whiter or more Western than any of the other Westerners I work with.

I know how to talk to women. I take advantage of opportunities when they present themselves. That's all. I'm not connected. Honestly I think my success rate over the last year or so has been pretty sad, and much lower than it would be in any other country in the world most likely.

Tom ADMITS that he doesn't know what he's talking about. He's up front with the fact that he hasn't tried most of these things. His report is of the variety of the "well, I heard all these rumors about life in Saudi and I feel like some of them might be true so I'm going to make all these really broad over-generalizations about what is or isn't true without any real experience to back it up. " That's MY take. Actually I read a lot of similar things before coming to the KSA, more conjecture, rumor, and hearsay. And when I got here I found out that a lot of it is simply not true. A lot of what he said was just patently false.

How is my report not "real? " I only posted things that I have actual firsthand experience with. Not rumors I heard. Not things I read elsewhere and reposted. Not guesses or feelings. I'm as real as it gets.

That said if you're an Indian or Filipino guy reading these forums, then yeah, of course, you're going to have a different experience in the KSA. Most Saudis will treat you like dirt, much less sleep with you. So. Sorry about that. That doesn't mean I'm lucky. Just means that Saudis are racist. I have no problem conceding that.

[Eric T]

...How likely one gets laid here depends on where you are posted and to what kind of social circles you have access to. You also got to be lucky. From what you wrote you were rather lucky...

Nobody died and made me judge but in order to to vet reports of Tomwannabe and Theystolemyname; I will say that Tom provides the "real ksa" version whereas Theystolemyname's version is of someone who has passed the White, Westerner, Privileged, In (or has access to)-a-good-location/sector, and Lucky filter.

Valid reports but entirely different view/vantage points.

Eric

[Tomwannabe]

Theystolemyname, I wrote a general message on how to get laid in Saudi. This is based on my observation, experience and what I've been told first hand over the past year I am now based here (Eastern province) and no, it's not hearsay or rumours and perhaps you are more careful before applying the you're-talking-out-of-your-ass broad brush. So, I shall furnish the finer details of living in Saudi. How likely one gets laid here depends on where you are posted and to what kind of social circles you have access to. You also got to be lucky. From what you wrote you were rather lucky. So, here we go then. It's going to be a novel but describing the more intricate details of living in Saudi isn't a 4 line poem I am afraid.

Getting booze: nice to hear one can get alcohol from cosmetics, mouth wash, disinfectant, etc. But if you read my post carefully I was referring to FOOD containing alcohol. And that's not possible. I bought, for example, Tiramisu cake and there was no alcohol in there. Yes, booze is made in the western compounds, mostly wine (the South Africans are quite good at it) and also add distilled booze to none alcoholic beer (not sure whether or not they distill this from mouth wash. Hope they don't). The result is a terrible tasting brew I only tried twice. (Judging by what faces Saudi newbies pull when they'll come to their first expat party my judgement isn't that far off the truth then.)

The finer details on booze: It is smuggled into saudi by members of the higher echelon of saudi society, I. E. Those who will be almost untouchable even by the religious police such as police chiefs, princes and the like. Those who get caught smuggling booze and even drugs are the underlings of such operations. Needless to say those poor sods will get punished. You can get real Jack Daniels for example inside the Aramco campus when I was there as well as through embassies' partis I guess because such places are not the ordinary Saudi environment but somewhat exclusive with limited or no access of the religious police.

Thank you for agreeing that it is rare to see Saudi wifes/daughters at Saudi houses. Again, you were lucky. I've been to several functions and been invited to Saudi houses but the usual custom is that you will never see older daughters nor wifes because you'll be welcomed and taken care of in a separate guest room and away from the rest of the family. You working at a university changes the situation slightly. Some finer details on this: yes, hospitals and airlines will have unveiled Saudi women. As for hospitals it depends. I've been to a hospital where they were unveiled and to a smaller clinic where only none-Saudis were unveiled.

Don't compare your university experience with the rest of Saudi. Separate buildings you wrote but INSIDE THE SAME CAMPUS. Well that's indeed a vital detail changing the game plan considerably. Again, count yourself lucky you were in such a comfortable position. The finer details: A while ago I went to an open air show in a private club in Khobar, a huge campus with private beach, sports hall, several swimming pools, squash, tennis etc. Member fees are steep which means only the well heeled Saudi families go there (I. E. More liberal) and only families may join this club or, as an exception to that rule, you may get entry if there is an event you have tickets for even if you are single. I had. This club, again, operates a little bit outside the Saudi norm, I. E. Most women were unveiled during that event and it happened to be a popular event, I. E. I witnessed the congregation of about 200 unveiled Saudi girls(!) (some very pretty) and even spoke to some in the restaurant inside the campus once the event was over. Also, it makes a different whether or not you are a muslim or none muslim expat and whether or not you speak arabic. The effect of the former I am not sure about, the latter certainly helps.

Point 2. On meeting girls in public: shopping malls are possible. Yes, I also noticed the glances from Saudi girls, mostly veiled. Maybe I should follow through one day but this is risky. And yes, meanwhile, in Khobar, even though it is rare but I've seen unveiled Saudi girls. However, I also noticed that sometimes they quickly put their veils back on once they notice your glances. Why is talking to Saudi girls risky in public, the finer details: the religious police has the right to interfere. You, as a white expat might just get a tongue lashing and that will be it but it can be worse for the girl. Just because it never happened to who you know does not mean it never will.

Point 3. Western compounds, the finer details: Yes, I agree that the expat parties are fairly stable groups and newbies will take their time to get in. This makes it somewhat boring because you'll meet the same folks and their usually small kids over and over again. As far as I've been to such parties I have to say I'd rather have fun in Bahrain than trying to 'get fresh' with one of those bored (frustrated) middle aged western gals nor with any of the, and I quote, "skanky Europeans". As for "skanky" it applies equally to their American, Australian or South African 'brethren' by the way. So, after I went to a few of these parties I got the drift eventually and rather don't go. Indeed, Saudis are kept out as far as possible to not attract the wrong kind of attention. Well, this fact alone should be telling enough what Saudi is like outside the "green zones" such as western compounds, diplomatic areas/embassies or exclusive private clubs.

How good (or bad) the compound party life is also depends on the city. I've been told first hand that there is a party every day if you want to once you established the right connetions in Riaydh. That's also because all the embassies are there which also host parties or dinners and their staff, naturally, are a bit above the law. The most open place. As far as one can say open in Saudi. Seems to be Jeddah from what I've been told. Expats who were posted there told me only good things about Jeddah.

Point 4: thanks for agreeing that going the bluetooth way is long winded and frustrating. That tip with the picture is a good one. I might try this one day for the heck of it to see what happens.

Internet: I've heard of proxies, yes. Just didn't yet bother fiddling about with it. Well, I now did and it worked.

Meeting girls online: which chat or dating site did you use that is good? Free or pay site? I tried once a dating site, arabs2arabs dot com, but soon found out this to be a scam (still get emails from that site saying "a female member is interested in my profile". Yeah, right.) only trying to extort money.

Diplomatic Quarter: good for those living in Riyadh. I don't. And as I said before embassies are a "green zone" not to be compared with ordinary Saudi life, culture and traditions.

Sharing general experience and advice when living in Saudi: there are several groups such as Yahoo, e. G. Expatsinsaudiarabia. Google it to find them and subscribe if you like, well, for general info not for mongering of course. One story from Riyadh from that group about two months ago: a saudi girl from a liberal saudi family used to visit western compounds and go to their parties. Eventually she got snitched and the muttawa collected here once she left a compound. Apparently her luck was their parents to have the necessary connections (wasta) so that nothing happened to her. Again, she was lucky. Another story from there that was confirmed by an email distribution from my embassy: two british women had been pelted with stones by Saudi teenagers outside a shopping mall in the fancy Olaya district. The security guards did NOT step in. Sure, mugging and all that happens everywhere, in particular in large cities, be it London, New York etc. I just wanted to mention this incident not as a scare but to set things in the right perspective.

Hotels: expensive 5 star hotels seem to be a bit of green zone as well. I've seen unveiled saudi girls there too when I attended a business meeting that happened to take place in a 5 star hotel. As for that Sri Lankan girl provided by a friendly waiter, well done. Since I live here I usually don't check into hotels. I am also not sure whether it was just luck to get that sort of 'service' in the hotel you stayed or whether this is possible in 5 star hotels in general across Saudi; if you can befriend a resourceful waiter while staying there that is.

Oh, by the way, I read "The girls of Riyadh" which is indeed a very interesting read. But, again, don't compare the higher echelons of society, called the 'velvet class' in this book with the rest of Saudi. If you are lucky enough to get introduced to the velvet class your life WILL indeed be different here.

White or not: you'll be left alone usually if you are white, better still white american because of the political/diplomatic issues any incarceration of US citizen could cause the Saudi government is reluctant to deal with just because some dickhead was stupid enough to get caught trying to smuggle in booze/porn/whatever. You'll be less likely searched at airports in the Middle East. Take note of 'less likely'. Yes, usually the customs dudes can't be asked but if you're unlucky and they are in a bad mood they might take your luggage apart. You wouldn't be the first one ending up in custody for a day or so until your sponsor using its 'wasta' got you out. Being searched hasn't happen to me yet, so, as previous posters said you may take your porn/booze/pork chops etc. Into the country at your risk. Chances are you'll get away with it. In fact many times over. But if you don't who'd been warned

The finer details of using proxies: search the web for "free proxy" and patiently click through the search results. You will find most proxy sites/proxy server download sites blocked but not all. I don't post any links here because Saudi's web filters are being updated, so, a proxy you used before might not work eventually. Just move on to the next.

Finally the best bit: You wrote "I've met unveiled Saudis and gone out on dates with them and their unveiled friends and met all of their unveiled sisters. In public. " Wohoo! Can you please be more specific how you met them, what their families are like, whether or not their parents knew about it (I guess so considering their friends and sisters knew), how far it went (I. E. Going out and talking or staying over at your apartment, perhaps even overnight and including sex, possibly with their parent's knowlegde?), and when you went out in "public" where you actually went that you call 'public'? I guess you also went to their house? If so, what sort of area was that house in? I guess a rich area where the neighbours don't care so much who that family's daughters are seen with? That's not normal for Saudi families because they'll do anything to protect their and their daughters reputation if they ever wanted them to get married off to DECENT. Read well to do. Guys with a respected background (Saudi society is very tribal. A Saudi surname often is an indication what tribe you're from and how powerful that tribe is). In other words, the finer details would be significant to know, yes?

But hey, if I'd ever be in Riyadh we could meet up and you show me since 'talk is cheap' they say not without reason: you and your unveiled Saudi girlfriend, their sister(s) and me strutting about in broad daylight holding hands in the middle of a busy but ordinary shopping street, I. E. NOT in any of the "green zones"; wouldn't that be a sight, eh?

[TheyStoleMyName]

Yea the thing with me is, I look like an arab and hold a foreign citizenship. When at malls or check points I will be asked to stop and when they see my ID they let me go.

If your skin is white you are lucky and you got through. And as well as your lucky to get girls. Saudi girls are crazy about "white man".

Let me know if you ever travel to Jeddah, we can meet for a drink (coffee). And WR is here too.

If you know any Arab girls crazy for white guys in Jeddah that you'd like to introduce me to let me know and maybe I'll take you up on that offer. My treat for the coffee.

[MaximusBibicus]

I live in Saudi and frequently come through the airports in Riyadh, Jeddah, and Dammam. I have scads of porn on both of my laptops and stored in my digital camera. Gobs of it. A plethora of pornography. Anyone just opening up my computer and looking at the desktop would see it.

It's never been a problem. I've never once been asked about anything I was bringing in to the country. In fact the first time I came in at King Khaled Airport in Riyadh, I think I could have smuggled in Jenna Jameson if I had wanted to. Security was minimal and the customs guys were standing about 40 meters off and just waved me through without xray or anything.

I think it does help to be "White" and American. Though of course nothing in Saudi is a guarantee pretty much everything is done on an arbitrary basis. So, indulge at your own risk.

Yea the thing with me is, I look like an arab and hold a foreign citizenship. When at malls or check points I will be asked to stop and when they see my ID they let me go.

If your skin is white you are lucky and you got through. And as well as your lucky to get girls. Saudi girls are crazy about "white man".

Let me know if you ever travel to Jeddah, we can meet for a drink (coffee). And WR is here too.

[TheyStoleMyName]

Last week was in Riyadh and stayed in the SAS Radisson. No girls activity at all, even I didn´t see any female during the day, maybe some guests, but I didn´t see them.

AtlasJet keeps most of their flight attendants at the Radisson SAS. Some very cute Filipina girls there.

One of them used to be my girlfriend. She was HOT.

[TheyStoleMyName]

Visited there in May, in the light of recent posts here thought I should comment. I was totally resigned to a sex and alcohol free ten days. All the staff in the hotel were male, including the chambermaids, and there was a police car parked outside the main hotel lobby 24/7, although the guy was asleep every time I looked. All the staff were either Sri Lankans or Indians with the occasional Filipino. After a couple of days I was bantering one of the waiters about the terrible alcohol-free beer, saying I didn't know which was worse, no pussy or no beer. The next morning he was on sentry duty while I was waiting for my lift, he told me that he could get me some beers for a price and they would be put in the fridge in my room; great I said, can you do anything about the pussy? For a price I said. Maybe he said. That night I found two beers in the fridge and an envelope with a phone number and a time on it; I called saying I was the guy from the hotel when an indian accented woman answered. About an hour later I opened my door to a quite attractive girl, quite dark, said she was from Kandy, Tamil area of Sri Lanka. Quite good looking, about 30, very petite; obviously dressed the Saudi way until inside the room. She had been smuggled in up the service lift I gather, how appropriate. Could have been one of the waiters wives for all I know, but she wasn't very chatty, preferring to work on me. Stayed about 2 hrs, had sex, great blowjob, swallowed, but declined anal saying I was far too big. I guess I was, as she was not 5' tall. Saw her twice in the 10 days, settled up with the waiter at the end for all services provided so I can't really say how much she cost per service.

Makes the prospect of a return visit in Sept much less problematic!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

I was with a great Sri Lankan beauty in Singapore. Would love to find another. Any chance you can share the information about which hotel this was? If not the actual contact info for the girl (not in the public forum, and I would pm you but I think I need to be a paying member first)

[TheyStoleMyName]

Well it depends on the person I guess. I'm an arab and I always talk nicely with the guys, but this time I was moving back so I didn't want to risk it with my porn.

Anyways. Any fellow mongers from north america, Dubai etc currently in Jeddah?

What is happening folks?

I live in Saudi and frequently come through the airports in Riyadh, Jeddah, and Dammam. I have scads of porn on both of my laptops and stored in my digital camera. Gobs of it. A plethora of pornography. Anyone just opening up my computer and looking at the desktop would see it.

It's never been a problem. I've never once been asked about anything I was bringing in to the country. In fact the first time I came in at King Khaled Airport in Riyadh, I think I could have smuggled in Jenna Jameson if I had wanted to. Security was minimal and the customs guys were standing about 40 meters off and just waved me through without xray or anything.

I think it does help to be "White" and American. Though of course nothing in Saudi is a guarantee pretty much everything is done on an arbitrary basis. So, indulge at your own risk.

[TheyStoleMyName]

Any alcohol even alcohol containing products such as real Tiramisu cake or licour pralines are prohibited.

I used to believe this, too, but I've since found out it's not entirely accurate. You can get alcohol-containing products in Saudi Arabia, like hair cream, mouth wash, disinfectant, etc. Bringing it into the country is possible but much more dangerous than it's worth, IMO. However almost every compound makes its own alcohol. You can always find it at the parties there.

Women are usually veiled; if they show their faces it means they are expats.

No it doesn't. I've seen unveiled Saudis. I've met unveiled Saudis and gone out on dates with them and their unveiled friends and met all of their unveiled sisters. In public.

No mixing whatsoever at the work place. Except Aramco which isn't really Saudi.

This really depends on the workplace. Hospitals and clinics for instance have mixed staff. So do all the airlines that operate within the country, including Nas, Sama, and Saudi Airlines. The university I used to work at was a mixed campus though there was segregation by building.

Should you ever be invited to a house you'll NEVER see your host's wive. Small children ok, teenage daughters or wives out of the question.

Not true. Actually I was shocked at first when a Saudi family invited me to tutor their children and this included sessions with the pubescent daughter where she and I sat alone together in a room with a closed door for 2 hours a day with no supervision. It's rare that you'll see the wife but in more liberal families you may.

Even holding hands in public is a big no no.

I've seen people do it at the malls.

don't even think of going near a Saudi woman unless you want to get yourself into trouble, I. E. Deported or worse

oh, please. Yes, it's risky. But don't even think about it? Are the muttawa policing people's thoughts now? I've talked to several Saudi girls in public. Been out on dates with 4 of them. Had 2 over to my apartment. Had crazy phone sex with another. And chat with dozens online every day. Every Saudi male who has never read the book before will tell you that "Girls of Riyadh" is full of lies, but in my experience the book was actually pretty tame compared to the reality.

Anyway, potential avenues are (if you have the energy to follow through which I don't because of the proximity to Bahrain)

So in other words, you haven't done any of this and are talking out of your ass. Well, just so we're clear, there's not actually anything wrong with that. Hearsay and rumor can be better than no information at all as long as you're up front with the fact that that's what it is.

2) Shopping malls and supermarkets: wander around the isles. Some philipina or other asian expat girl (maids, care takers, nurses etc) might show interest.

I get looks all the time, and more of them from locals than from expats. They're not all ugly as you claim, either. I've met some real cuties that way.

3) living on compounds with lots of western expats. Drawback: usually old and rather not attractive, yet single or divorced.

If you get involved in the compound party scene I've found it's the exact opposite of this. They usually have a party every weekend, they just change the venue. It's often all the same people at every party. And most of them are kids. I didn't see any old or divorced women at the party I went to, it was mostly teenagers and a couple of young 20-somethings. Being 30 myself and not really part of the this clique of people that all obviously knew each other, I felt like the odd bird out. The girls were mostly young skanky European girls who didn't know how to hold their liquor and were grinding and getting finger banged out on the dance floor, but there were also lots of people from African and Arab countries. If you look Saudi you might have trouble getting in, though. Typically the party organizers will try to exclude Saudis to avoid arousing the attention of the morality police.

4) If you believe you must live on the edge or don't care getting deported or worse: Wander around fancy malls (doesn't work if you're posted in some small crap town. Just bad luck for ya) and have your blue tooth mobile switched on. Sit down somewhere, scan what's close to you and try to make contact that way. It is possible (remember, the boredom.) to get in touch with a saudi woman. It will be long winded and meeting up will be an impossible challenge. And it is extremely risky for both. Not my cup of tea.

Why do you keep commenting on the difficulty and risk of any of this stuff when you admit you haven't tried any of it?

IMO the bluetooth thing is the worst way to go. It's just frustrating. Most of the girls you might find this way don't speak English and you're right it is a lot of work with very little payoff. Having a phone with blue tooth (and a good photo of yourself renamed to include your phone number ready to send at a moment's notice) is a good assist to the method of walking around malls or shopping areas to meet girls. But as a primary means of meeting them it sucks. The best procedure is to get a girls' attention first, make eye contact, and if she seems interested then you might want to check and see if she has her bluetooth switched on.

Anyway, 1) to 5) are there but as I said before I haven't tried any of them

Worth reiterating

Substitute: porn. Different ways and risks had been discussed before. Here's an idea: download the hot stuff outside Saudi

Terrible idea. Just use a web proxy. It's so easy. Or use torrents. You can download anything you want.

Anyway, thanks for the report. But you missed the two best venues IMO if you are serious about meeting people in Saudi.

1. The internet. The single best way by far to meet girls here. Avoid all the stupid bullshit hassle of trying to find them in public.

2. The diplomatic quarter. If you live in Riyadh there are many different functions, parties and events hosted at the DQ. These are almost always a good place to meet women.

That's all. Peace out.

**** Connoisseur

[Tomwannabe]

Hello, well, holidaying now outside the internet deadzone (I. E. Outside the middle east) giving me access to a vital. Resource.

Wanted to add some info on the "Magic Kingdom", the biggest emotional void ever encountered. But, living close to Bahrain, there's an escape route; at least for the weekends. So, how to get laid in Saudi?

Backdrop:

Any alcohol even alcohol containing products such as real Tiramisu cake or licour pralines are prohibited. Women are usually veiled; if they show their faces it means they are expats. Women are not allowed to drive. Companies are either 100% male OR 100% female. No mixing whatsoever at the work place. Except Aramco which isn't really Saudi. Nobody, not even Saudis can sit together with females unless married. Eateries, restaurants, sports venues have separate areas and entrances for single men and families/women. Should you ever be invited to a house you'll NEVER see your host's wive. Small children ok, teenage daughters or wives out of the question. Even holding hands in public is a big no no. Secret and Religious police is everywhere. Yet, young men and women alike as well as expats are bored to death. Naturally. This creates opportunities, howerver extremely risky. In other words: don't even think of going near a Saudi woman unless you want to get yourself into trouble, I. E. Deported or worse (usually for the woman. That "honour killing thing" you know.)

Anyway, potential avenues are (if you have the energy to follow through which I don't because of the proximity to Bahrain):

1) go to hospitals. Invent some illness or whatever excuse to go there regular. You'll meet unveiled women, nurses, doctors etc., usually philipinas but also Indians and similar. My observation: not many attractive ladies, a lot of them rather grumpy. But it depends on the hospital I guess.

2) Shopping malls and supermarkets: wander around the isles. Some philipina or other asian expat girl (maids, care takers, nurses etc) might show interest. You'll notice, e. G. Looks, lingering beside you when checking out the stacked shelfs. Just use common sense. It happend twice to me in a space of 6 months but I wasn't interested (I rather pay for quality then getting an ugly bird for free).

3) living on compounds with lots of western expats: they have their parties, do their own booze. Quite a few single women. Drawback: usually old and rather not attractive, yet single or divorced. But not for me.

4) If you believe you must live on the edge or don't care getting deported or worse: Wander around fancy malls (doesn't work if you're posted in some small crap town. Just bad luck for ya) and have your blue tooth mobile switched on. Sit down somewhere, scan what's close to you and try to make contact that way. It is possible (remember, the boredom.) to get in touch with a saudi woman. It will be long winded and meeting up will be an impossible challenge. And it is extremely risky for both. Not my cup of tea.

5) Equally risky: meet up with the wrong folks, e. G. Indians/Bangladeshis who pimp out girls illegally. There is an undercurrent in Saudi, you bet. But it is risky. Sometimes these undertakings get busted.

Anyway, 1) to 5) are there but as I said before I haven't tried any of them because I just couldn't be asked or targets worthwhile enough to pursue werent' around.

Substitute: porn. Different ways and risks had been discussed before. Here's an idea: download the hot stuff outside Saudi, compress it into chunks using any free zip tool such as 7zip. Open some hotmail, yahoo and Gmail accounts and create some draft emails with chunks attached. You'll need a few accounts because you can only store so many draft emails with attachments. Check out what's possible with each. No need to send them to yourself, eh? In Saudi, "harvest" the chunks from your email accounts and stick 'them back together using that zipping tool. It's a bit tedious, but you'll have enough time for it anyway. This way there's no need for encryption or whatever trying to smuggle it through on your laptop's hard drive. Let them scan it. They won't find a thing on it. Mind you, don't forget to delete the stuff from your hard drive before crossing borders. So far I haven't had my laptop checked but this to happen is only a question of 'when'.

Bottomline: if you're close to places that get you out of Saudi where fun can be had, save your energy and money for those. If you're posted out in the sticks (e. G. Drill hole in the middle of the desert) just suck it up until you get out. If you do live in big cities, Jeddah is easiest for it is the most tolerant place in Saudi. Dammam/Khobhar or Riyadh offer avenues 1) to 5).

Happy Hunting & don't be stupid. It's not worth it.

PS: u'll find plenty of typos. Good for ya 'because you can keep 'them.