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06-15-12 23:11 #10345It's unfortunate you would post such misinformation. I had presumed you know better that the pics of the p4p girls on mamba. Ru are mostly agency profiles and fake pics. Why would you want to mislead newbies on such a basic fact of widely reported experience.
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For those of you newbies out there who are confused about the issue of mamba. Ru pics for p4p girls being mostly fake or not, due to this endorsement by Roll Buzz of mamba. Ru pics as true pics, just read the prior reports on the thread of those who reported on their use of mamba. Ru. Then you will be in a position to decide whether to accept Roll Buzz's endorsement of mamba. Ru pictures being mostly true pictures as he seems to claim, or being mostly fake pictures as the bulk of the past reports dealing with this issue clearly state.
LJ
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06-15-12 23:00 #10344
The Correct Reason to Use Mamba. Ru
Well there you have it folks. When challenged to be more detailed in describing his methodology for never getting ugly or fat girls from mamba. Ru website, as he claims he does, and write something that could be helpful to others on this thread, Barba shows his true colors and backs out, resorts to insults, and exposes himself as an arrogant guy who boasts and boasts about his fictional abilities, but can't deliver anything helpful to others so they can reproduce the amazingly successful results he claims he gets. You all can rest assured that there is no truth in his claims to be able to only get hotties when using mamba. Ru. So many others who have posted about their experiences using mamba have had experiences very different from those claimed by Barba. So take his bragging with a very large grain of salt. Originally Posted by Barba
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Mamba. Ru is a useful tool in meeting both p4p WG's as well as regular girls in Kiev. But care must be exercised in its use. And one should not have unreasonably high expectations for girls as hot as some of the pictures in the profiles on mamba. I'm not saying hot girls are not possible to get from mamba. Ru on the first try. I'm only saying it's not very probable. You need to be willing to keep trying multiple times. Then the odds and probabilities start working in your favor.
Unfortunately, The mamba. Ru website is loaded with phony ads and false pictures. Many escort agencies and girl apartments use it to advertise and get clients and post multiple profiles, deleting them often and repostimg with other pics, and the pics bear absolutely no relation to the actual girls. They don't even try to send the same type of girl as in a picture ad on a call to your apartment. The great and significant majority use fake pictures. That is why the girls who show up mostly never look like their pictures in the profile.
However, having noted the above truth substantiated by the reports of many on this thread going back in time, that decidedly does NOT mean one should refrain from using websites like mamba. Ru in a place like Kiev! On the contrary, one should use these websites to get to very inexpensive girls, who ask for very low prices of between $50 to $100 / hour. Yes, there is a problem with fake pictures.
BUT, here is the point, so pay attention, in a place like Kiev the population has a fairly high percentage of young girls who are skinny and naturally nice looking. Statistically, therefore, you have a good chance of meeting a sexy, pretty young girl entirely by random chance with a decently high degree of probability, as long as you keep trying for a reasonable amount of time. A hottie won't show up at your door from mamba. Ru because she matches the picture you saw on her profile. She will show up accidentally by random chance of whoever is on the other end of the phone number you called. But there are so many hot young girls in the population pool in a place like Kiev, that you stand a statistically reasonable chance of encountering a hottie if you roll the dice enough times. This is what I meant by saying you can be successful on getting a hottie using mamba. Ru if you invest sufficient time and have persistence. It's a numbers game, and you can eventually win. So keep ordering girls from mamba to come to your apartment, and keep sending away the ones who are not to your liking, because eventually, and maybe even sooner rather than later, you will encounter a girl that is to your liking.
Now the foregoing mostly applies to girls who openly say in their mamba profiles that they "offer sex for money" or that they "are seeking a sponsor". Or even, as has become more common recently, that they are interested in "a one night stand" or want "to have fun", which are often simply euphemisms concealing a purpose to meet guys for money. One has to communicate a little to see if that's the intent, or it's just a regular girl. Mamba has sent out notifications On the website that they don't want so much the overt advertisement or solicitation of sex for money. So it will be done covertly, using euphemisms and double talk in the future, I would assume.
However, regular girls not looking for p4p or sponsorship on the mamba website can be spoken to in the regular way, and dated using the "Hunter Dave Method" I described in my previous post. And with these girls it might be possible to have an exchange of pictures, so you will know more or less what she looks like before dating.
However, with p4p professional WG's or semi-pros operating on mamba. Ru to get clients, a date in a cafe or bar is almost a waste of time for them unless you're paying them for it. They want to come directly to your apartment to get it on for money. They have posted an enticing picture on their profile to get customers. They have little incentive to admit to you that it is a fake picture, and to send you their real picture, which is usually not as hot, because their entire marketing model is based on the idea of "getting their foot into your door". Once they are there in your apartment, they hope that your strung out libido and lust for sex will take over and you will let them stay so you can get your rocks off, even though they are not as hot as the pics. It's called "bait and switch". It exists because it works most of the time, as men a very horny man, is very weak willed to chase out of his apartment a girl who has even some appeal when he really has sex on the brain. With regard to these p4p girls, or the Madame or phone person who is responding for their agency to the dopes who are conducting "chats" with them and trying to figure out, a la Barba, if the pic is a fake, it doesn't matter what the picture looks like. Assume it's fake and play the numbers game.
To my mind, only if you are not trying to get p4p off of mamba. Ru, but rather you are seeking to get regular dates with regular girls, does the issue of trying to get their true pictures make any sense, and have a good chance of happening, as it is common on social sites for the parties to want to see each other before agreeing to go on a date. But that's a different world than pay 4 play, money for sex prostitution.
LJ
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06-15-12 22:50 #10343
Who is delusional?
This needs to be corrected for all readers. It is a lie. Originally Posted by LilJoey
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06-15-12 22:35 #10342
Vk
Checked my messages on VK and out of the blue a girl contacted me. I emailed (spammed) her in the past, and now she decided to catch me. Said it was because of Euro but I am sure my picture showing fake-Barba and a girl on a tropical vacation destination has something to do with it. 20 years old an pretty, but used to be even prettier when she was 16 and illegal from what I can judge by the mini skirt pictures. She has a job and her own apartment. Works as an interpreter during the Euro event so she can be found by all you football fans.
I just sent her my real pictures and talked for a while about her (not me. Another trick you incapable and self centered looser can learn from) and now we have a date in July. We will "just eat and talk" but we all (well not all, but most) knows how that will go. A surprise and nice change to Barba constantly spamming girls. She has 180 pictures of herself and a story to share about many, so I am pretty confident she is whom she claims to be. She just told me Vodka bar is like the streets of red light in Kiev, where only cheap girls (as in not good girls) go. She then continued to tell me the name of some good normal clubs. PM me if you want to know. I do not want to pollute the thread with non Rio related facts.
How did Barba do it? He COMMUNICATED with her for several minutes. Why do I share this? To show that it is worth the few minutes per day it takes to entertain your online profiles. I fucked many hundred girls in the Philippines over the years and 80% of these I initially met online (and 0, 01% in strip clubs). By far most of these are normal girls that are looking for a husband but will settle for some distraction or money until they find that husband. Teenage virgins require a lot of work, and single mothers is a 2 minute job to get to the sniffing phase (see below). But as always you get what you pay for (time is also payment).
Work the sites, gentlemen. It WILL pay off.
Barba.
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06-15-12 21:14 #10341
So much space here after adding LJ to my ignore list. Lovely. Never used the ignore list before in all those years but I can recommend it if you come across someone you find really pointless.
AColonizer, I will come over in July and the ones I have quotations from ranged from 80-200 USD, with no correlation to looks or age. I found them on Mabma and believe it or not, they conformed that they are real and we have exchanged messaged on Mamba and / or Skype.
B.
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06-15-12 21:10 #10340
LJ, I read the first three lines and had to stop. It is only you who don't understand. I will just come and hold your hand instead, LJ. I will help you to type even.
You are the first to make it onto my block list ever here on ISG. Not because you are pathetic but because you are meaningless.
I will not see your responses but I am sure they will be lengthy and verbose, aiming at defending your manhood for your fantasy mates here at ISG. Don't forget to mention RIO at least once a day here.
Barba
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06-15-12 09:23 #10339
Hi,
Now we are in the Euro Cup 2012 season, which are girl prices in comparison of four months ago? Which kind of girls are available?
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06-15-12 09:09 #10338barba, this is a very poor attempt at laying out a methodology to guide others on how to approach using the mamba. ru website to succeed in getting only pretty girls to come to your apartment or meet you, as you claim to be able to do, as you wrote in your previous post that you never had an ugly or fat girl show up from mamba. ru. there is very little detail, or dialogue examples to illustrate what you say should be done. try fleshing it out more. in its current form it is basically useless. inviting pm's for further instructions is the lazy man's way out. there isn't any reason you should be afraid to write something with more substance on the topic of using mamba. ru to successfully get only hotties, like you claim you can do. Originally Posted by barba
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let's see, there are many, many prior reports on this thread from all sorts of mongers reporting getting very unattractive plain girls showing up at their doorstep from mamba. ru, which were written over the past year, and i'm sure going further back in time as well. almost all who report on using mamba, disclose how the pictures were mostly fake and lots of unappealing girls showed up from mamba. and that after a number of tries, they eventually got lucky and a girl that was presentable or even somewhat hot showed up. that's the reported experience on this thread. then there is you, barba, who claims to have never gotten an ugly girl or unappealing girl from mamba. you claim that you have a system that succeeds in helping you avoid the fake pictures and get only the true beauties. i didn't call you a liar in my last post. i asked you to put up or shut up. there's a difference. i invited you to rise to the occasion.
you chose instead to write back to me in an antagonistic fashion replete with personal attacks. you further falsified my writings by claiming that all i write is to direct newbies to rio. here you are a liar. i challenge you to actually read my posts and show me where i have done anything of the sort. it's a blatant lie. all my reports are designed to present the options available in kiev in a realistic light, and to expose their pros and cons honestly. that is why when i make a recommendation to use mamba. ru, (and i constantly make that recommendation in almost all my posts mentioning the options in kiev) , i also include the cautionary note about many pictures being fake, and it requiring a lot of persistence and time to get lucky and have a pretty girl show up from that website. it is you who are presenting a distorted picture of mamba. ru to newbies when you write that you only got good looking girls, while failing to adequately disclose and describe the method they must follow to reproduce such uncommon results.
i'm simply not going to respond to your attempts to be insulting. what's the point? that's your style, not mine. but i will call you out when you bullshit and don't produce a useful description of the method you claim will give success in using mamba. ru, a very important matter, and you suffice instead with a few poorly thought out platitudes with no helpful description or examples that could give others any guidance. you're intelligent enough to know how to write something real. i invite you to try again and improve on your first effort. you don't need to embellish more on the last part of your t-rex spewing sperm into your moaning devushka. i think you covered that ground adequately. i'm talking about your points 1-3. you gloss over the beginning points. why? this is the most crucial part. remember, the problems most mongers are having is in weeding out fake picture girls. most girls refuse to send additional pics when requested. is your advice to simply skip those girls, or something else? are you looking.
for profiles of girls who have "looking for sponsor" or "offer sex for money" listed in their profiles, or are you avoiding all such girls. there are many more questions that arise in using mamba. ru. if you are going to produce something usefull, you need to think about what issues and questions a newbie will encounter and have in using mamba and give your insights and guidance on each point. i am open minded about reading anything further you may choose to write on the topic, which will be helpful.
there's no need to be toxic. we're on the same side.
lj
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06-14-12 20:42 #10337
and now you call me a liar lj, just because you do not know how to handle dating sites and social sites. you have serious problems, man. must the girls be paid for you to dare to communicate? it sounds like you live in the 80s when computers where yet a mysterious novelty. pull your head out of your fixation and look around on isg and you will see that i am not alone in meeting hot girls in sited like mamba, tagged, vk, dia, fb, etc. your view on mamba is pure fantasy.
the concept is not so different from what you describe with speed dating, just that you start preparing your trip a couple of weeks before you land. just do the same shit you do in real life. talk to the woman! response patterns will be homogeneous and stochastic if you are talking to software or someone maintaining several profiles. you will know if it is a real female in just two-three message exchanges. i apply a 60-80% rule on all pictures i see in life. a hotel is normally 60-80% of what you see on agoda. same with women. and then sometimes you get positively surprised and find someone that is 120. i gave indicators of how to do it in my previous post and for anyone that really wanted to learn, it is all here on the board in my posts and other mongers posts. read it again and try to understand what it is about. it is not rocket science. spend some time socializing and you will soon realize that the act of finding real and hot girls on any social site can be described in four steps, where i recommend the three first if you want to limit your rate of failures. the first three steps will not take you more than 15-30 minutes normally and you can do it when you should work.
1. introduction: make your introduction message honest, serious and entertaining. adapt the introduction to what you hope for with the girl. if she shows her vagina in the pictures you maybe can skip the part about wanting a friendly and fun girl to hang out with.
2. initial communication: this is normally when you can determine what direction you are going. is it a saloon / brothel, a hard core pro, a semi-pro or a girlfriend? if it is a saloon you just save the number with a note. if it is a hard core pro i always ask her if the pictures are real in a way that invites her to disclose the truth (i for example lie and tell her it does not matter because i just want a massage and a hand job). if it is a semi pro or a girlfriend, we move on to the sniffing phase.
3. sniffing phase: this was described by the first class monger kongking once and can be summarized as the part when dogs sniff each-others ass. you joke around and check how the girl responds. do not push her, but lead her and be careful to back off. do not write "can i see your tits" and start to jerk off. this phase is to get to know her and to make her acquainted and comfortable with you. if you use cam you make sure you are well dressed and smile a lot. girls like to be entertained. smile, chat, talk, joke, be naughty, back off, be serious. any joke about sex should be made with panning and consideration. if you get fed up with the smiling, close the cam and whip out your dick after she stopped looking at you.
4. mating phase: it is often overkill to take things into this phase already before you met, but if you are into cam sex it is the way to go. i will not mention numbers but have had many girls undressing and even masturbated in cam for me until the orgasmed. if you reach this phase, you pretty much know what to expect when you meet. in this phase you can test her limits. if i for example want to fuck a girl without condom i am normally attracted to her beyond the first level and to what i call genetic attraction. the level where you just feel in your body that you want to pump her full of sperm and make her pregnant. if this is the case, i will tell her about my attraction and then joke with the girl in a half serious and half humoristic way that i want to make her pregnant. her response will be conservative because she is a woman, but the seed is there and you leave it for some other chat. last girl i fucked in ukraine moaned "i want you to cum in me now" when i fucked her doggy. this after declaring numerous times that condoms is a must both to prevent std and unwanted pregnancy. after i came i naturally got back to my rational self and we went out to buy emergency pills. next day i pumped her full with sperm again and she kissed me and pushed her vagina against my pumping t-rex. she knows i am married but still is a slave to her desire to reproduce.
lj, for me you come across as yet another guy who needs to win a stupid [CodeWord140] fight here. when i read what you write it strikes me that you most likely do not give a sh*t about learning anything, as you claim to. your so called help to newbies often amounts to directing them to rio. what if i am right? what if i do meet tier one girls on these sites? all these failures in previous reports has nothing to do with the validity of what i write. you are smart enough to know that such argumentation is just stupid and to low even to argue your case here on isg. when did you ever post a picture on this site? look at my history and then evaluate if i am a bull shit artist or if i know what i am talking about. what you do in your long rants is just low life argumentation techniques that you hide behind your fancy formulations. even if 100 isg mongers are chatting with chat robots on vk, there can still be one guy that understands how things work. i used to like reading your detailed reports but lost respect for you lj. keep going to rio if you love it so much. that is where you belong when you stick your head up your ass and refuse to see the world in any other perspective than the one you cling to.
i made my point and if anyone need further directives on how to chat with females, you are welcome to pm me.
b.
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06-14-12 09:09 #10336
Read what you posted
Why don't you read what you posted in the link above. Its in the body of the link. Originally Posted by Maha Siddha
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Or do you want us to read it for you?
You are now really asking for someone to Flame you.
With such an attiude like yours, it won't be long before you get scammed in Donetsk when you land there.
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06-14-12 08:35 #10335p. s. you don't have to sell me on using mamba. ru. i use it all the time and on every trip i have my list of preferred contacts. however, i am realistic about the possibilities and shortcomings of using websites, and i prefer to see my prey beforehand. the good news is the reports of prices having come down to more reasonable levels in the regular nightclubs, which is where i think one's mongering time should be spent in the evenings. Originally Posted by barba
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i will say one additional thing about mamba. ru. that if one wants to be more effective and raise the chances of luck in finding a hottie, one can approach it as finding freebies, rather than p4p, and also approach it as a numbers game. i wrote in a previous post about what i called the "hunter dave method", not because he is the only one using it, but because he was the veteran monger who convinced me that the method has merit. this method is simply a form of speed dating, which has become popular of late with many singles organizations. the method consists of selecting four or five different nice date locations in cafes or bars around the downtown area not too far from each other, and scheduling short dates one after another, back to back each day. after spending a reasonable amount of time sufficient to see what one needs to see about each girl, one makes excuses about business to attend to, and hurries off to the next date at the next location, and either one does or does not ask for another meeting before leaving the initial date. if a girl is too late for her date as scheduled, she gets bumped and rescheduled, as one sticks to the original schedule of dates. before long one will have gone through quite a number of girls and will know which ones are desirable as repeats, and eventually to be invited to one's apartment on some pretext. this is not p4p dating. it is freebie dating. but it can lead to meetings with very pretty girls and in some instances great sex, if you can close the deal. of course, to be successful, one needs to be presentable and charming. but a large age difference is no impediment. and of course to implement this method and reach a conclusion with any girl, one needs some time. it isn't going to get you much sex on a three day visit to kiev, for which it is probably better to stick to seeking p4p so that one can to the point more quickly.
lj
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06-14-12 08:06 #10334Barba, your sentiments fit exactly the type of monger I described who was much happier with the cheaply priced girls available on mamba. Ru. Originally Posted by Barba
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The error in your analysis is that I am not "trying to make it sound hard" to find very hot 8's. 9's and 10's using mamba. Ru. I am merely reporting my own personal experiences, as well as the cumulative reported experiences of many, many others on this thread. No doubt you haven't read the prior reports. A fair reading of the numerous reports by others on this thread over the past year will substantiate my view, however. If you have some sort of compulsion to deny these reported facts and attribute my mentioning it to some ulterior purpose, then I can't help you with such delusional thoughts, and no real discourse is possible. Alas, the Mamba pictures are mostly fake, and the reported experience of many members is that most often unbecoming girls will show up at one's doorstep invited from the p4p offerings on the mamba website. This has been reported so many times on this thread in the past by many different writers, that I think anyone reasonable would regard it as axiomatic. The considered opinion was and is that One has to be lucky to get a nice looking above average girl off of mamba, BUT that with persistence and time it is possible to eventually get a nice looking girl using the mamba. Ru website.
The claims by some to have gotten to very hot 8's and 9's type of girls, I take with a grain of salt, and attribute to wishful thinking. It's improbable, although not impossible.
For getting the really hot WG's I much prefer a situation where I can see what the girl actually looks like before I select her, which is possible in nightclubs, as well as strip clubs. I find venues where I can see the girls in advance to be more certain, than the pot luck one deals with using mamba. Ru.
You claim to have a personal skill of being able to divine which p4p profiles on mamba are fake pictures and which are true pictures. If this is true, it would surely help a monger cut down on time wasted getting girls coming to the door who had nice pics, but ended up looking nowhere near as good as the pics in the flesh. Most other mongers who have been trying to use mamba do not have this special skill you claim to have, and have reported a different experience using mamba than you claim, which undermines the credibility of your report.
So if you want to post something of value to the thread, rather than just be argumentative, you should consider posting a detailed methodology explaining your methods of using mamba and never getting a piglet at your doorstep. I leave open the possibity that you may have something to contribute on this topic of using mamba. Ru more effectively. It would be a valuable contribution.
LJ
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06-14-12 06:47 #10333
How to find pretty 80USD teenage girl in Kiev? Please advise
How to find these 50-60 USD pretty teenage girls in Kiev? Originally Posted by Barba
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06-14-12 03:07 #10332
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